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Title: [IC] GMK HHKB layout GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 22 January 2015, 14:43:37
So with the soon to come Topre-to-MX sliders by the CtrlAlt team, I have had renewed interest in doing this small mod pack group buy with GMK. Ideally it would be designed to work with other GMK sets to match it so you could just replace the mods. The kit should only be around 20ish keys to keep it as affordable as possible.

This set I have in mind would be for HHKB ONLY. As this would be my first time doing any of this I want to keep it simple. Colors I have in mind are Green, Pink, and Orange. However I am open to suggestions. Right now I just want to check interest on the idea of a small mod pack specifically for HHKBs as well as nailing down the keys and legends.

Here are the keys I am considering:

Left Side Keys:
1x 1u Esc row - Row 1
1x 1.5u Tab - Row 2
1x 1.75u Control (full touch)- Row 3
1x 2.25u Shift - Row 4
1x 1u Alt - Row 4

Right Side Keys:
1x 1.5u Backspace - Row 2
1x 2.25u Enter - Row 3
1x 1.75u Shift - Row 4
1x Fn - Row 4
1x 1u Alt Gr - Row 4

Keys I need help with:
2x 1.5u "Command/Option"- Row 4
    Issue: I am not sure what people would like as the legend for these.

1x 1u "\|" - Row 1
    Issue: A lot of sets don't come with this key so I was thinking about choose 4 or 5 set that are very popular like Dolch and create this key so that people can use them with their original sets. I would need help choosing those 4 or 5 sets though.


Here is a google doc to show interest: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1p8eZREjBWz2kCc5WuUSlKilJ2JNVQ35fg8HuZYizIac/viewform?usp=send_form

Colors for reference:
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 22 January 2015, 14:45:33
I *just* finished my Viper, so yup, I'm down.

What keys are you thinking right now?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 22 January 2015, 14:48:29
What specifically do you want to include?

1u e-profile backspace
1u e-profile \|
1.5u d-profile backspace
1.75u c-profile stepped + fulltouch control
1.75u b-profile right shift + 1u fn key
1.5u a-profile caps lock [GMK does not do 1.25u ones]

Anything other than that? The above should fully cover hhkb layout.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 22 January 2015, 14:48:31
What about billnye's green pack (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66668.0)?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 22 January 2015, 14:53:30
What about billnye's green pack (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66668.0)?

I want this tailored specifically for %60/HHKB. I get that other mod packs will of course work for what a 60%/HHKB layout will need. It also keeps costs down with much fewer keys.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: Sent on Thu, 22 January 2015, 14:59:44
I'm always interested in mod packs...can't have too many of those.

Colors?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: dimmu on Thu, 22 January 2015, 15:04:24
count me in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 22 January 2015, 15:05:44
I *just* finished my Viper, so yup, I'm down.

What keys are you thinking right now?

Well at the bare minimum for HHKB I would like are:

1x 1u Esc row - Row 1
1x 1.5u Tab - Row 2
1x 1.75u Control (full touch)- Row 3
1x 1.75u Control (stepped)- Row 3
1x 1.75u Shift - Row 4
1x 2.25u Shift - Row 4
1x Fn - Row 4
2x 1u Alt - Row 4
1x 1.5u Backspace - Row 2
1x 1u "\|" - Row 1
2x 1.5u Blank - Row 4
1x 2.25u Enter - Row 3

That is 15 right there. Please correct me if I missed any keys.

To complete the 60% of a standard poker 2 we would also need:
1x 2u Backspace - Row 1
1x 1.5u "\|" - Row 2
1x 2.75u Shift - Row 3
2x 1.25u Control - Row 4
2x 1.25u Alt - Row 4
2x 1.25u Blank - Row 4
1x 1.25 FN - Row 4

That is 25 keys right about where I want it.


Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 22 January 2015, 15:08:34
I'm always interested in mod packs...can't have too many of those.

Colors?

Any you have in mind? Ideally I want this one to work in conjunction with existing GMK sets already manufactured.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 22 January 2015, 15:16:50
(http://i.imgur.com/sXAxyeY.jpg)

I'd like keys in:
CV
V1
N5
V2
UNPINK

Anything vibrant would be rad.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 22 January 2015, 15:17:59
I *just* finished my Viper, so yup, I'm down.

What keys are you thinking right now?

Well at the bare minimum for HHKB I would like are:

1x 1u Esc row - Row 1
1x 1.5u Tab - Row 2
1x 1.75u Control (full touch)- Row 3
1x 1.75u Control (stepped)- Row 3
1x 1.75u Shift - Row 4
1x 2.25u Shift - Row 4
1x Fn - Row 4
2x 1u Alt - Row 4
2x 1.5u Backspace - Row 2
1x 1u "\|" - Row 1
2x 1.5u Blank - Row 4
1x 2.5u Enter - Row 3

That is 15 right there. Please correct me if I missed any keys.

To complete the 60% of a standard poker 2 we would also need:
1x 2u Backspace - Row 1
1x 1.5u "\|" - Row 2
1x 2.75u Shift - Row 3
2x 1.25u Control - Row 4
2x 1.25u Alt - Row 4
2x 1.25u Blank - Row 4
1x 1.25 FN - Row 4

That is 25 keys right about where I want it.
Thanks. Looks like a good set of keys. Why 2x 1.5u row 2 backspaces? Surely 1 is enough? Also, I think you mean 2.25u enter.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: Sent on Thu, 22 January 2015, 15:31:11
Any you have in mind? Ideally I want this one to work in conjunction with existing GMK sets already manufactured.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/sXAxyeY.jpg)


I'd like keys in:
CV
V1
N5
V2
UNPINK

Anything vibrant would be rad.

I'd love another mod pack in a three color scheme like CMYK.  While I also really love vibrant colors, maybe do a set in the gray scale?  Don't think I've really seen that.  U9, 2B, CC.  Black legends, though I dunno if they'd show up all that great.  The other thing I'd like to see is CMYK legends on black mods.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 22 January 2015, 15:41:59
I *just* finished my Viper, so yup, I'm down.

What keys are you thinking right now?

Well at the bare minimum for HHKB I would like are:

1x 1u Esc row - Row 1
1x 1.5u Tab - Row 2
1x 1.75u Control (full touch)- Row 3
1x 1.75u Control (stepped)- Row 3
1x 1.75u Shift - Row 4
1x 2.25u Shift - Row 4
1x Fn - Row 4
2x 1u Alt - Row 4
2x 1.5u Backspace - Row 2
1x 1u "\|" - Row 1
2x 1.5u Blank - Row 4
1x 2.5u Enter - Row 3

That is 15 right there. Please correct me if I missed any keys.

To complete the 60% of a standard poker 2 we would also need:
1x 2u Backspace - Row 1
1x 1.5u "\|" - Row 2
1x 2.75u Shift - Row 3
2x 1.25u Control - Row 4
2x 1.25u Alt - Row 4
2x 1.25u Blank - Row 4
1x 1.25 FN - Row 4

That is 25 keys right about where I want it.
Thanks. Looks like a good set of keys. Why 2x 1.5u row 2 backspaces? Surely 1 is enough? Also, I think you mean 2.25u enter.

Ahh whoops that was just a typing error on the 1.5u backspaces. Also yes you are correct about the enter key. Got my spacings wrong. I figure though that if I can cater this poker users as well it could reach MOQ since I know there aren't as many HHKB layout users.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 22 January 2015, 15:44:12
Any you have in mind? Ideally I want this one to work in conjunction with existing GMK sets already manufactured.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/sXAxyeY.jpg)


I'd like keys in:
CV
V1
N5
V2
UNPINK

Anything vibrant would be rad.

I'd love another mod pack in a three color scheme like CMYK.  While I also really love vibrant colors, maybe do a set in the gray scale?  Don't think I've really seen that.  U9, 2B, CC.  Black legends, though I dunno if they'd show up all that great.  The other thing I'd like to see is CMYK legends on black mods.

Personally I would rather just do 1 color for everything than a tri color pack. Although the grey scale does sound kind of cool. It would definitely match a lot of things.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: Sent on Thu, 22 January 2015, 15:49:29
Yeah, I think the gray scale would actually be a bit practical while still being new/different.  It's not too flashy, either.  That might help with MOQ? 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: Geroximo on Thu, 22 January 2015, 15:54:59
First Ivans 85|15 Mod Pack.
Then billnyes Green Mod Pack.
Now this.

... Can we PLEASE stop having all those [IC]s about the same damn idea and finally get something GOING?

Add ISO Enter + Shift and I'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 22 January 2015, 15:56:30
First Ivans 85|15 Mod Pack.
Then billnyes Green Mod Pack.
Now this.

... Can we PLEASE stop having all those [IC]s about the same damn idea and finally get something GOING?

Add ISO Enter + Shift and I'm in.
Haha I get it. But we don't even have colors or anything picked yet! glad you are supportive of it though!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: geniekid on Thu, 22 January 2015, 16:05:38
If this happens we should consider throwing in a single R1 1u \| in Dolch regardless of the overall color scheme.  It's the only thing missing from Ivan's Dolch GB to achieve HHKB (assuming you are flexible with existing keys for the bottom row).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 22 January 2015, 16:12:24
If this happens we should consider throwing in a single R1 1u \| in Dolch regardless of the overall color scheme.  It's the only thing missing from Ivan's Dolch GB to achieve HHKB (assuming you are flexible with existing keys for the bottom row).
Haha this is actually a good idea.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 22 January 2015, 17:03:39
HHKB
[...]
1x 1u "`~" - Row 1

I would really love it if this cap were Del (with optional front-printed `~ legend).  I always use Del on my main layer, and have `~ in a function layer.  I don't know if I'm alone in this or not, but this is my opinion.  :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: honoka on Fri, 23 January 2015, 04:21:59
ISO enter and Shift would be nice
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: bueller on Fri, 23 January 2015, 04:39:46
I'm in but I agree with tjweir, the more vibrant the better. Ivan and Photekq are both doing mod packs soon so another beige kit would be dead in the water. Looks like billnye is going with green for his set so I'd love to see something in red, orange, or either of the dark blues.

Can I please suggest white legends as well? IMO black legends only look good on classic beige sets and I don't particularly think a coloured mod set matches black on white alphas very well. Especially when you compare it to white on black or Dolch, those look great with almost any colour.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: ideus on Fri, 23 January 2015, 06:11:36
Add a second 2.25u shift and you would get some of those FC660 users in, in a recent MD GB more than 100 were sold plus the already existing user base, if you consider that there were just over 100 Vipers sold in the 2014 GB you should want other special board users to get in. like the over 300 Infinity board buyers that will need the splitted backspace, splitted right shift, and 1.5 back space, then all of them togheter may make your GB potential to reach MoQ.


I am in BTW.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: tjweir on Fri, 23 January 2015, 07:17:40
...so I'd love to see something in red, orange, or either of the dark blues....

Can I please suggest white legends as well?

I think N9(dark blue) would be pretty classy with white legends.


Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 23 January 2015, 07:20:28
And so it goes. Your small, affordable pack idea grows and grows, until it's just like all the rest, with so many keys that no one wants to buy it, because it's gone from being "affordable" to "expensive."

All because everyone just wants you to "add just this one more key."

:D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: bueller on Fri, 23 January 2015, 07:24:49
...so I'd love to see something in red, orange, or either of the dark blues....

Can I please suggest white legends as well?

I think N9(dark blue) would be pretty classy with white legends.




(http://media.giphy.com/media/JwjBy94VzDd6/giphy.gif)

All because everyone just wants you to "add just this one more key."

:D

For real. Think of the greater good people. I remember when I first started coming here sets were always just the Winkey + Tsangan and that was it for the most part. Now every set has to have so many caps bundled that 90% of people will never use.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 23 January 2015, 09:52:20
Could we not have two interest checks for GMK mod packs running at once?
It splits up the community and with an MOQ of 250 we're pretty much **** out of luck for tipping either of these now.

Also, stop suggesting dumb keys that don't need to be in packs.
Almost no one owns an FC660M to use two left shifts.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 23 January 2015, 09:54:07
Could we not have two interest checks for GMK mod packs running at once?
It splits up the community and with an MOQ of 250 we're pretty much **** out of luck for tipping either of these now.

Also, stop suggesting dumb keys that don't need to be in packs.
Almost no one owns an FC660M to use two left shifts.

I own one. :(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 23 January 2015, 09:55:18
Could we not have two interest checks for GMK mod packs running at once?
It splits up the community and with an MOQ of 250 we're pretty much **** out of luck for tipping either of these now.

Also, stop suggesting dumb keys that don't need to be in packs.
Almost no one owns an FC660M to use two left shifts.

I own one. :(

Mandatory reading:

http://blog.ctrlalt.io/articles/how-to-choose-the-right-keyboard-for-you
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 23 January 2015, 09:55:57
Could we not have two interest checks for GMK mod packs running at once?
It splits up the community and with an MOQ of 250 we're pretty much **** out of luck for tipping either of these now.

Also, stop suggesting dumb keys that don't need to be in packs.
Almost no one owns an FC660M to use two left shifts.

I own one. :(

Mandatory reading:

http://blog.ctrlalt.io/articles/how-to-choose-the-right-keyboard-for-you (http://blog.ctrlalt.io/articles/how-to-choose-the-right-keyboard-for-you)

 :-\
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 23 January 2015, 09:56:55
Could we not have two interest checks for GMK mod packs running at once?
It splits up the community and with an MOQ of 250 we're pretty much **** out of luck for tipping either of these now.

Also, stop suggesting dumb keys that don't need to be in packs.
Almost no one owns an FC660M to use two left shifts.

I own one. :(

Pro tip: Get a keyboard with a short right shift. You can still fit an extra row.
Also, read that post from JD ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: bueller on Fri, 23 January 2015, 09:57:20
Could we not have two interest checks for GMK mod packs running at once?
It splits up the community and with an MOQ of 250 we're pretty much **** out of luck for tipping either of these now.

Also, stop suggesting dumb keys that don't need to be in packs.
Almost no one owns an FC660M to use two left shifts.

I own one. :(

Mandatory reading:

http://blog.ctrlalt.io/articles/how-to-choose-the-right-keyboard-for-you

I feel like that should be stickied somewhere.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 23 January 2015, 09:59:19
Could we not have two interest checks for GMK mod packs running at once?
It splits up the community and with an MOQ of 250 we're pretty much **** out of luck for tipping either of these now.

Also, stop suggesting dumb keys that don't need to be in packs.
Almost no one owns an FC660M to use two left shifts.

I own one. :(

Pro tip: Get a keyboard with a short right shift. You can still fit an extra row.
Also, read that post from JD ;)

My point was I think there are lots of people who own the FC660M. :P

Besides if I wanted to use it I'd put leopold pbt caps on it they come with the right keys. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: ideus on Fri, 23 January 2015, 10:02:53
Could we not have two interest checks for GMK mod packs running at once?
It splits up the community and with an MOQ of 250 we're pretty much **** out of luck for tipping either of these now.

Also, stop suggesting dumb keys that don't need to be in packs.
Almost no one owns an FC660M to use two left shifts.


Each GB will be different in color and keys available so as in any open market each potential buyer is free to choose, if you feel "split" just stick with your favorite one.


Also, this is a free and open board so all comments are welcome, even yours that included some rather rough opinions, and try to tell others on what to say, it would be better to provide some facts and data and not only your hard feelings. But, even those are very welcome.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 23 January 2015, 10:03:35
My point was I think there are lots of people who own the FC660M. :P

It's okay. Lots of people make mistakes. :))

We're here to support you, Ray.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: bueller on Fri, 23 January 2015, 10:04:35
My point was I think there are lots of people who own the FC660M. :P

It's okay. Lots of people make mistakes. :))

We're here to support you, Ray.

#SAVESpam2015
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 23 January 2015, 10:07:36
Each GB will be different in color and keys available so as in any open market each potential buyer is free to choose, if you feel "split" just stick with your favorite one.


Also, this is a free and open board so all comments are welcome, even yours that included some rather rough opinions, and try to tell others on what to say, it would be better to provide some facts and data and not only your hard feelings. But, even those are very welcome.
The point is that if you're running two _similar_ group buys at a time, orders will be split. That's a very bad thing, since MOQ is so high. For this reason, the community should avoid running two similar group buys at the same time.  Different colour doesn't mean they aren't similar.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 23 January 2015, 10:08:54
Each GB will be different in color and keys available so as in any open market each potential buyer is free to choose, if you feel "split" just stick with your favorite one.


Also, this is a free and open board so all comments are welcome, even yours that included some rather rough opinions, and try to tell others on what to say, it would be better to provide some facts and data and not only your hard feelings. But, even those are very welcome.
The point is that if you're running two _similar_ group buys at a time, orders will be split. That's a very bad thing, since MOQ is so high. For this reason, the community should avoid running two similar group buys at the same time.  Different colour doesn't mean they aren't similar.

TY for making my ****ty phrasing more clear.  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: bueller on Fri, 23 January 2015, 10:09:17
Each GB will be different in color and keys available so as in any open market each potential buyer is free to choose, if you feel "split" just stick with your favorite one.


Also, this is a free and open board so all comments are welcome, even yours that included some rather rough opinions, and try to tell others on what to say, it would be better to provide some facts and data and not only your hard feelings. But, even those are very welcome.
The point is that if you're running two _similar_ group buys at a time, orders will be split. That's a very bad thing, since MOQ is so high. For this reason, the community should avoid running two similar group buys at the same time.  Different colour doesn't mean they aren't similar.

Yeah when these things launch they have to be staggered. Lots of people will want to be in both buys because GMK GB's are so few and far between, if they're too close together whoever launches last will lose.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 23 January 2015, 10:38:47
For real. Think of the greater good people. I remember when I first started coming here sets were always just the Winkey + Tsangan and that was it for the most part. Now every set has to have so many caps bundled that 90% of people will never use.

!!!

This is so important!  I hate to propose cutting out support for all the fun layouts out there (HHKB, JD40, MX-Mini, etc.), but there was a time when the only option (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40520.0) was adding a tsangan kit (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=31887.0) to your order.

It might seem like a travesty to "drop" support for the unique layouts, but it is a necessary thing to do to reach GMK MOQ (remember that Ivan's Purple Mod kit (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41017.0) only cost $41 and got 300 orders).  We're playing two different games here between SP and GMK, and we're not doing a good enough job at playing GMK's game right.

I can't speak for everyone, but I have enough "standard" layout boards that I would still buy an interesting mod pack even if it couldn't fit every possible configuration I can imagine - and I would urge others to have the same mentality.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: bueller on Fri, 23 January 2015, 10:47:55
For real. Think of the greater good people. I remember when I first started coming here sets were always just the Winkey + Tsangan and that was it for the most part. Now every set has to have so many caps bundled that 90% of people will never use.

!!!

This is so important!  I hate to propose cutting out support for all the fun layouts out there (HHKB, JD40, MX-Mini, etc.), but there was a time when the only option (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40520.0) was adding a tsangan kit (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=31887.0) to your order.

It might seem like a travesty to "drop" support for the unique layouts, but it is a necessary thing to do to reach GMK MOQ (remember that Ivan's Purple Mod kit (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41017.0) only cost $41 and got 300 orders).  We're playing two different games here between SP and GMK, and we're not doing a good enough job at playing GMK's game right.

I can't speak for everyone, but I have enough "standard" layout boards that I would still buy an interesting mod pack even if it couldn't fit every possible configuration I can imagine - and I would urge others to have the same mentality.

And that purple set had a lot of people who said they weren't interested in the colorway too, imagine if we could run some nice vibrant colours at the right price point. Under $50 @ in orange, red, blue or green and I'll buy 2 sets.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 23 January 2015, 11:32:20
Could we not have two interest checks for GMK mod packs running at once?
It splits up the community and with an MOQ of 250 we're pretty much **** out of luck for tipping either of these now.

Also, stop suggesting dumb keys that don't need to be in packs.
Almost no one owns an FC660M to use two left shifts.

I own one. :(

Mandatory reading:

http://blog.ctrlalt.io/articles/how-to-choose-the-right-keyboard-for-you

HHKB, am I right?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 23 January 2015, 11:34:09
Could we not have two interest checks for GMK mod packs running at once?
It splits up the community and with an MOQ of 250 we're pretty much **** out of luck for tipping either of these now.

Also, stop suggesting dumb keys that don't need to be in packs.
Almost no one owns an FC660M to use two left shifts.

I own one. :(

Mandatory reading:

http://blog.ctrlalt.io/articles/how-to-choose-the-right-keyboard-for-you

HHKB, am I right?

HHKB is the best layout. Plus, you are talking about Topre here, so no need for interchangeable keycaps. :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 23 January 2015, 11:45:49
Just letting you all know Billnye has contacted me and we will be working to stagger these sets as much as possible. But just as a heads up for where my thoughts are, I am going to stick with a hard limit of 30 keys and a target of 25 keys. The main focus of it will be for HHKB compatibility. I understand that there may not be enough people to support it but I would at least like to be clear in my intent and focus for this set. If there are clearly not enough people then fine, this is only an "interest check" anyways.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 23 January 2015, 14:07:36
What do you guys think of this list of keys? It should cover a HHKB fully and then a few other layouts.

1x 1u Esc row - Row 1
1x 1.5u Tab - Row 2
1x 1.75u Control (full touch)- Row 3
1x 1.75u Control (stepped)- Row 3
1x 1.75u Shift - Row 4
1x 2.25u Shift - Row 4
1x Fn - Row 4
1x 1.5u Alt Gr - Row 4
1x 1.5u Alt - Row 4
1x 1.5u Backspace - Row 2
1x 1u "\|" - Row 1
1x 1u "`~" - Row 1
2x 1u Blank - Row 4
1x 2.25u Enter - Row 3
2x 1.25u Control - Row 4
1x 1.25u Alt - Row 4
1x 1.25u Alt Gr- Row 4
2x 1.25u Blank - Row 4
1x 1.25 FN - Row 4
1x ISO Enter
1x 1.25u ISO Shift - Row 4
1x 2u Backspace - Row 1
1x 1.5u "\|" - Row 2
1x 2.75u Shift - Row 4


It should be 27 keys.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: ideus on Fri, 23 January 2015, 23:33:55
Any you have in mind? Ideally I want this one to work in conjunction with existing GMK sets already manufactured.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/sXAxyeY.jpg)


I'd like keys in:
CV
V1
N5
V2
UNPINK

Anything vibrant would be rad.

I'd love another mod pack in a three color scheme like CMYK.  While I also really love vibrant colors, maybe do a set in the gray scale?  Don't think I've really seen that.  U9, 2B, CC.  Black legends, though I dunno if they'd show up all that great.  The other thing I'd like to see is CMYK legends on black mods.


+1 for CMYK legends on black mods, that would be unique. I have seen many three color modifiers, but I have only seen color legends on the ALPS Focus keyboard I think. Is there a Cherry keyboard with them?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: ideus on Sun, 25 January 2015, 10:17:09
... Checking
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 25 January 2015, 10:40:06
I did some RGB legend in dyesub in a groupbuy before... but otherwise I don't think so for Cherry.
(http://iforce.co.nz/i/lgenbwma.yio.jpg)

I do fully agree GMK buys need to be timed out, and not having them compete. It's hard enough to make moq as it is in some cases if the colorway/key selection turns out to be less popular at the time. It's a real fine line it seems these days on key selection. People want every key, but they don't want to pay the prices such sets cost.
While I am myself predominately a 60% user, many are not. You may find it tougher to draw in enough buyers if only catering to 60%. That was a top complaint when I ran that purple mods set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Sun, 25 January 2015, 11:49:30
I did some RGB legend in dyesub in a groupbuy before... but otherwise I don't think so for Cherry.
Show Image
(http://iforce.co.nz/i/lgenbwma.yio.jpg)


I do fully agree GMK buys need to be timed out, and not having them compete. It's hard enough to make moq as it is in some cases if the colorway/key selection turns out to be less popular at the time. It's a real fine line it seems these days on key selection. People want every key, but they don't want to pay the prices such sets cost.
While I am myself predominately a 60% user, many are not. You may find it tougher to draw in enough buyers if only catering to 60%. That was a top complaint when I ran that purple mods set.

Thanks for the input Ivan, I am starting from square 1 so it will be a while to get on my feet to get this done, and that is if there is enough interest like you said. I hope to keep it cheap and simple to appeal to a lot of people though so hopefully that works.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK 60%/HHKB layout support GMK Mod Pack
Post by: ideus on Sun, 25 January 2015, 13:52:42
If I understood well this IC for a modifiers set would turn into a GB after billnye's, which should be after Ivan's, therefore the only actual current one is the last.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK HHKB layout GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 12 June 2015, 12:41:37
Hello all. I know its been a while since I touched this thread. But with the emergence of the CtrlAlt topre to mx sliders I have had renewed interest in this project.

So with the soon to come Topre-to-MX sliders by the CtrlAlt team, I have had renewed interest in doing this small mod pack group buy with GMK. Ideally it would be designed to work with other GMK sets to match it so you could just replace the mods. The kit should only be around <20ish keys to keep it as affordable as possible.

This set I have in mind would be for HHKB ONLY. As this would be my first time doing any of this I want to keep it simple. Colors I have in mind are Green, Pink, and Orange. However I am open to suggestions. Right now I just want to check interest on the idea of a small mod pack specifically for HHKBs as well as nailing down the keys and legends.

Here are the keys I am considering:

Left Side Keys:
1x 1u Esc row - Row 1
1x 1.5u Tab - Row 2
1x 1.75u Control (full touch)- Row 3
1x 2.25u Shift - Row 4
1x 1u Alt - Row 4

Right Side Keys:
1x 1.5u Backspace - Row 2
1x 2.25u Enter - Row 3
1x 1.75u Shift - Row 4
1x Fn - Row 4
1x 1u Alt Gr - Row 4

Keys I need help with:
2x 1.5u "Command/Option"- Row 4
    Issue: I am not sure what people would like as the legend for these.

1x 1u "\|" - Row 1
    Issue: A lot of sets don't come with this key so I was thinking about choose 4 or 5 set that are very popular like Dolch and create this key so that people can use them with their original sets. I would need help choosing those 4 or 5 sets though.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK HHKB layout GMK Mod Pack
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 12 June 2015, 12:43:43
Perhaps JTKeycaps could help us with this??
Title: Re: [IC] GMK HHKB layout GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 12 June 2015, 12:52:41
Perhaps JTKeycaps could help us with this??

Did not even think about that...  :confused:

I will contact the appropriate people.

Although I was hoping to match previous GMK sets.

Edit: Google doc interest form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1p8eZREjBWz2kCc5WuUSlKilJ2JNVQ35fg8HuZYizIac/viewform?usp=send_form
Title: Re: [IC] GMK HHKB layout GMK Mod Pack
Post by: nukec on Sat, 13 June 2015, 20:00:21
So this is basically modifier pack of MX?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK HHKB layout GMK Mod Pack
Post by: rsadek on Mon, 15 June 2015, 23:49:57
I love the idea of a small mod pack for HHKB. Small and cheap, awesome.


I'm curious though: I love the keys on my stock HHKB pro 2. Not sure I'd want to swap em even for GMKs. Am I alone?


For a Gon HHKB or Viper etc, this would be sweet.
-R
Title: Re: [IC] GMK HHKB layout GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 16 June 2015, 18:07:44
As there is not enough interest in this, I am going to be closing this idea down. Sorry
Title: Re: [IC] GMK HHKB layout GMK Mod Pack
Post by: quochung1989 on Thu, 25 June 2015, 02:13:31
Oops!!! I am very interesting this. Especially is 1.5 in last row  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] GMK HHKB layout GMK Mod Pack
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 25 June 2015, 02:43:58
Damn, I just noticed this too.  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] GMK HHKB layout GMK Mod Pack
Post by: yomammary on Thu, 25 June 2015, 07:13:04
Also filled the form.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK HHKB layout GMK Mod Pack
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 25 June 2015, 11:04:48
Also filled the form.

Damn, I just noticed this too.  :-[

Oops!!! I am very interesting this. Especially is 1.5 in last row  :-[

Sorry guys.. there just wasnt enough interest. But don't worry. After GhostJuggernaut and I run the RGBK group buy, we got plans for another set already and we will definitely have HHKB support  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK HHKB layout GMK Mod Pack
Post by: yomammary on Thu, 25 June 2015, 12:48:25
Also filled the form.

Damn, I just noticed this too.  :-[

Oops!!! I am very interesting this. Especially is 1.5 in last row  :-[

GhostJuggernau
Also filled the form.

Damn, I just noticed this too.  :-[

Oops!!! I am very interesting this. Especially is 1.5 in last row  :-[

Sorry guys.. there just wasnt enough interest. But don't worry. After GhostJuggernaut and I run the RGBK group buy, we got plans for another set already and we will definitely have HHKB support  :thumb:
Alright man :(