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Title: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:04:48
I'm watching Taken 3. Taken was awesome. Taken 2 was alright. Taken 3 is terrible.

The first two films were almost believable, with Liam Neeson just being a badass and beating the crap out of people. No stupid gimmicks, and it was, all in all, pretty realistic and not really that stupid or OTT.

Within the first 30 minutes of this film, he has managed to turn a situation where he is totally innocent into a situation where he looks really guilty, and yet the chief detective is convinced he is innocent. And the CGI is completely excessive and unnecessary. Shipping containers cartwheeling over and over again.

Seriously, there is so much in this film that is awful. There is too much emphasis on his CIA buddies who are turning it into something more along the lines of the Expendables.

So, any other franchises you can think of that have been destroyed lately?
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:06:16
Not Ironman.. Cuz all 3 movies were awesome.. (http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/k/a/kaminaonionplz.gif?1)
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: demik on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:08:29
toy story.

we don't need 4. 2 was enough. did not enjoy 3.
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Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:09:48
I liked 3, but I didn't know there was a 4 until now.
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:12:05
toy story.

we don't need 4. 2 was enough. did not enjoy 3.

You mean the thing with extra dinosaurs in it? It's not called 4 is it, but I know what you mean.
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Post by: demik on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:12:49
toy story.

we don't need 4. 2 was enough. did not enjoy 3.

You mean the thing with extra dinosaurs in it? It's not called 4 is it, but I know what you mean.

no, 4 is coming out 2017
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:15:05
toy story.

we don't need 4. 2 was enough. did not enjoy 3.

You mean the thing with extra dinosaurs in it? It's not called 4 is it, but I know what you mean.

no, 4 is coming out 2017

Wait, what? I thought they had released like an add on straight to TV sort of film, not announced a completely new one.

Also I don't know what to think about the new Star Wars films. I watched the trailer and I was like; "Meh".
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Post by: katushkin on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:18:04
Also, there are like 10 times where Neeson should have died already.
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:26:49
toy story.

we don't need 4. 2 was enough. did not enjoy 3.

You mean the thing with extra dinosaurs in it? It's not called 4 is it, but I know what you mean.

no, 4 is coming out 2017

Although I did like 3, I can agree that a 4th is not needed...

I am skeptical about the 2nd Avatar film... there is no way it can possibly be as good as the first... but that's just speculation at this point...
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:32:51
SPETNATZ. ****ING SPETNATZ. Not even Spetsnaz. Apparently it is the "Russian equivalent of our Navy Seals". What the **** is this film.

Although I did like 3, I can agree that a 4th is not needed...

I am skeptical about the 2nd Avatar film... there is no way it can possibly be as good as the first... but that's just speculation at this point...

I too liked the third one. It actually made me cry in parts. But yet another does not appeal to me.

And another Avatar film? Sounds interesting, but I hope they don't try to stretch the story line too much.
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: Michael on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:33:49
Spiderman is god awful. Hope they decide to actually put some damned effort into the next one.
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:35:45
Although I did like 3, I can agree that a 4th is not needed...

I am skeptical about the 2nd Avatar film... there is no way it can possibly be as good as the first... but that's just speculation at this point...

I too liked the third one. It actually made me cry in parts. But yet another does not appeal to me.

And another Avatar film? Sounds interesting, but I hope they don't try to stretch the story line too much.

That's what I'm worried about. The way they left it at the end, I don't know how they could possibly make a decent sequel... there is no way an extension of the same storyline could work out to be an interesting movie.
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: Lain1911 on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:36:53
I'm watching Taken 3. Taken was awesome. Taken 2 was alright. Taken 3 is terrible.

The first two films were almost believable, with Liam Neeson just being a badass and beating the crap out of people. No stupid gimmicks, and it was, all in all, pretty realistic and not really that stupid or OTT.

Within the first 30 minutes of this film, he has managed to turn a situation where he is totally innocent into a situation where he looks really guilty, and yet the chief detective is convinced he is innocent. And the CGI is completely excessive and unnecessary. Shipping containers cartwheeling over and over again.

Seriously, there is so much in this film that is awful. There is too much emphasis on his CIA buddies who are turning it into something more along the lines of the Expendables.

So, any other franchises you can think of that have been destroyed lately?

I heard the movie was about the main character being framed so he goes out and kills people in order to prove his innocence. Ya I don't get it.
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Post by: demik on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:39:05
Spiderman is god awful. Hope they decide to actually put some damned effort into the next one.

i liked the amazing spiderman :(

toy story.

we don't need 4. 2 was enough. did not enjoy 3.

You mean the thing with extra dinosaurs in it? It's not called 4 is it, but I know what you mean.

no, 4 is coming out 2017

Although I did like 3, I can agree that a 4th is not needed...

I am skeptical about the 2nd Avatar film... there is no way it can possibly be as good as the first... but that's just speculation at this point...

avatar sucked tho, outside of the 3D it was just your typical "white man saved the minorities from other white men" movie.

which has been done to death
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:43:00
I heard the movie was about the main character being framed so he goes out and kills people in order to prove his innocence. Ya I don't get it.

I'm 3/4 of the way through the film and I don't either.
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:48:09
avatar sucked tho, outside of the 3D it was just your typical "white man saved the minorities from other white men" movie.

which has been done to death

I won't disagree, it is definitely a clichéd theme... but I enjoyed the futuristic/sci-fi twist they put on it...
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: Lain1911 on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:51:30
avatar sucked tho, outside of the 3D it was just your typical "white man saved the minorities from other white men" movie.

which has been done to death

I won't disagree, it is definitely a clichéd theme... but I enjoyed the futuristic/sci-fi twist they put on it...

Oh you mean Pocahontas 2145? :p
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Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 23 January 2015, 23:01:18
avatar sucked tho, outside of the 3D it was just your typical "white man saved the minorities from other white men" movie.

which has been done to death

I won't disagree, it is definitely a clichéd theme... but I enjoyed the futuristic/sci-fi twist they put on it...

I still hated it even with that.  I love sci-fi, Avatar was about as bad as Star Wars Episode I to me.
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 24 January 2015, 01:10:57
Alien Resururection.
While Alien 3 wasn't as good as Alien or Aliens, it's still a great movie that's creepy and pretty tense. But Resurection is just pure trash. It offers nothing for the franchise, tells no interesting story and has no point. And it's awful legacy killed the franchise so that it could be followed up by even bigger pieces of garbage like Alien Vs Preditor...
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: slip84 on Sat, 24 January 2015, 07:33:47
You see... capitalism.

(http://cdn.meme.am/images/627067.jpg)
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Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 24 January 2015, 09:42:34
But Resurection is just pure trash. It offers nothing for the franchise, tells no interesting story and has no point.
I agree that it was mostly a cash-in. The plot was basically Aliens, just with different action scenes. However, I did enjoy some of those action scenes quite a lot. The underwater and ladder scenes were great, and I did enjoy Wynona Ryder in it.
What really killed the franchise was Prometheus. That movie was worse, and after it having been hyped up so much beforehand, the disappointment of seeing it reached almost The Phantom Menace - like proportions.
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Post by: Bromono on Sat, 24 January 2015, 09:47:30
Disney better not ruin star wars. That's my childhood they are playing with.
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: slip84 on Sat, 24 January 2015, 09:50:30
Disney better not ruin star wars. That's my childhood they are playing with.
George accomplished that mission years ago. Much like Indiana Jones, the trilogy was fine as it was.

That said, I hope you like lens flare!
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: dimmu on Sat, 24 January 2015, 09:51:30
Spiderman is god awful. Hope they decide to actually put some damned effort into the next one.

i liked the amazing spiderman :(

toy story.

we don't need 4. 2 was enough. did not enjoy 3.

You mean the thing with extra dinosaurs in it? It's not called 4 is it, but I know what you mean.

no, 4 is coming out 2017

Although I did like 3, I can agree that a 4th is not needed...

I am skeptical about the 2nd Avatar film... there is no way it can possibly be as good as the first... but that's just speculation at this point...

avatar sucked tho, outside of the 3D it was just your typical "white man saved the minorities from other white men" movie.

which has been done to death

avatar sucked tho, outside of the 3D it was just your typical "white man saved the minorities from other white men" movie.

which has been done to death

I won't disagree, it is definitely a clich�d theme... but I enjoyed the futuristic/sci-fi twist they put on it...

I still hated it even with that.  I love sci-fi, Avatar was about as bad as Star Wars Episode I to me.

avatar sucked tho, outside of the 3D it was just your typical "white man saved the minorities from other white men" movie.

which has been done to death

I won't disagree, it is definitely a clich�d theme... but I enjoyed the futuristic/sci-fi twist they put on it...

Oh you mean Pocahontas 2145? :p

sorry but these guys get it. i really want to love the movie but it was just so cliched and predictable, it's like watching a soap opera.
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 24 January 2015, 09:53:39
But Resurection is just pure trash. It offers nothing for the franchise, tells no interesting story and has no point.
I agree that it was mostly a cash-in. The plot was basically Aliens, just with different action scenes. However, I did enjoy some of those action scenes quite a lot. The underwater and ladder scenes were great, and I did enjoy Wynona Ryder in it.
What really killed the franchise was Prometheus. That movie was worse, and after it having been hyped up so much beforehand, the disappointment of seeing it reached almost The Phantom Menace - like proportions.

WTF? Prometheus is awesome! It's also not really directly linked to Ripley's story so you can take it as another franchise if you like. But honestly I love Prometheus. It takes the concept of the Alien and makes it so much more menacing, it also doesn't worry about having to spell things out for you and asks more questions that any other recent big budget Sci-Fi movie. I agree that when I came out of the cinema after watching it with a mate, we where a both a bit confused and didn't really know what we felt, but after watching it again, and watching some of the video's and stuff on the interwebs you really get to appreciate what Ridley was going for and that the mystery of the movie is kinda the point. The only real negative I have with the movie is the actor they got to play the old man in the movie, why the **** they chose him and not some genuinely old actor I'll never know, it really takes away from the movie in every scene he is in.

I've also found difficult to not enjoy Wynona Ryder.
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Post by: Photekq on Sat, 24 January 2015, 10:14:27
RIP LotR

Thanks Peter
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Post by: Michael on Sat, 24 January 2015, 10:20:52
RIP LotR

Thanks Peter


http://imgur.com/gallery/thlJ16M


good stuff.
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Post by: korrelate on Sat, 24 January 2015, 10:22:49
Disney better not ruin star wars. That's my childhood they are playing with.

You mean "ruin it more than Lucas has already with all of his revisionist claptrap?"

Seriously, if it wasn't for MacGregor those last three would have been unwatchable. I love Samuel L Jackson but he just did not belong in that role. Neeson was pretty good though.
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Post by: baldgye on Sat, 24 January 2015, 10:25:57
RIP LotR

Thanks Peter


http://imgur.com/gallery/thlJ16M


good stuff.

I tried downloading that a couple of days ago, but it failed :/
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Post by: Michael on Sat, 24 January 2015, 10:42:02
PM'd :P
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Post by: bazh on Sat, 24 January 2015, 12:22:17
Tak3n is a joke! It's not even close to the Taken 2.5: Non-Stop, urghhhh


anyone mentions the latest Middle-Earth movie yet?
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Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 24 January 2015, 13:00:05
I also thought 101 dalmations II Patch's London Adventure was pretty good..  the animated sequel, not the live action.
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Post by: StylinGreymon on Sat, 24 January 2015, 13:40:11
An Extremely Goofy movie killed the franchise, hands down.
No singing, stupid X-Games bull****, and where the **** was Roxanne?
Title: Re: The destruction of good film franchises.
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 24 January 2015, 14:39:31
I don't think it's even because it's stretched the franchise, it's just because it was an awful film.
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Post by: Lain1911 on Sat, 24 January 2015, 16:11:28
RIP LotR

Thanks Peter


http://imgur.com/gallery/thlJ16M

Hobbit + Lotr cartoons from 1970's-1980's for life  ;) (Although Peter's Lotr was good The Hobbit remake killed it for me :( )


good stuff.

I tried downloading that a couple of days ago, but it failed :/
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Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 24 January 2015, 17:25:59
The only real negative I have with the movie is the actor they got to play the old man in the movie, why the **** they chose him and not some genuinely old actor I'll never know, it really takes away from the movie in every scene he is in.
Marketing. They made a video of him in his younger years as advertising for the movie.

You have obviously missed a whole lot of things that suck with that movie. There are tonnes of pages on the Internet ranting about it. Do also check Adam Savage's interview with Damon Lindelov on Youtube - it was quite revealing about how things were written the way they are.

http://imgur.com/gallery/thlJ16M

good stuff.
I created a thread about The Hobbit on a fan-edit forum three years ago ...

You mean "ruin it more than Lucas has already with all of his revisionist claptrap?"
The new management has also decided to be revisionists with all the books, video games and other things that are set after ROTJ. We'll see when the new movie comes out which events and characters remain alive and which ones have been pushed into oblivion.
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Post by: baldgye on Sat, 24 January 2015, 17:36:21
The only real negative I have with the movie is the actor they got to play the old man in the movie, why the **** they chose him and not some genuinely old actor I'll never know, it really takes away from the movie in every scene he is in.
Marketing. They made a video of him in his younger years as advertising for the movie.

You have obviously missed a whole lot of things that suck with that movie. There are tonnes of pages on the Internet ranting about it. Do also check Adam Savage's interview with Damon Lindelov on Youtube - it was quite revealing about how things were written the way they are.

I know why they did it, but I still think it was a bad choice.
I also watched and read a lot of stuff online about the movie around the time it came out as I didn't understand all of it and so had to try and figure it out before I could watch it again (ended up seeing it twice at the cinema's).

I'm happy to chat about it but if you just don't like the movie at all then fair enough, but I really liked it, and I really like how the dealt with what the Aliens are, so much more interesting than any of the retarded AvP ****.