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Title: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Doyniish on Tue, 27 January 2015, 08:11:47
Just got an email about this, what do you guys think?

(http://www.daskeyboard.com/images/product/daskeyboard-4C-ultimate/daskeyboard-4C-ultimate-front-view.jpg)
(http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/loglUGDr_UW9BENr_aQgEqUGWa/www.daskeyboard.com/images/product/daskeyboard-4C-ultimate/xdaskeyboard-4C-ultimate-rear-view.jpg.pagespeed.ic.i8NiN1B8D6X_qoucE6Gn.webp)
(http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/loglUGDr_UW9BENr_aQgEqUGWa/www.daskeyboard.com/images/product/daskeyboard-4C-ultimate/xdaskeyboad-4C-ultimate-side-view.jpg.pagespeed.ic.mwBLsOU7GiE6PZtIfgfR.webp)

http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4C-ultimate/
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: asavi on Tue, 27 January 2015, 08:17:55
I'd like it a lot more if the left side wasn't purposelessly asymmetrical.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: minh278 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 08:19:12
Reminds me too much of this:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67154.0

My personal aesthetics say they should have left the side with the das logo off and just made it a rectangle, otherwise i feel it has a professional feel to it.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: JinDesu on Tue, 27 January 2015, 08:28:44
It's good that they are at least trying a TKL version.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 09:08:46
What is it with Das an putting in those ridiculous portions that jut out from the side. All they've done it moved it from the top to the side
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Valen on Tue, 27 January 2015, 09:16:41
(http://i.stack.imgur.com/Hh4Wk.jpg)

If DAS really has to put that thing on their KB, please put two of them at the bottom so they serve as a palm rest.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: monotagary on Tue, 27 January 2015, 09:37:03
That bezel is just so jarring.  :-X

It would look so much nicer if they just sliced it off and kept the Das branding somewhere on the back of the board.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Nai_Calus on Tue, 27 January 2015, 09:39:47
OK, the file folder tab at the top of their full-size is goofy enough, but this thing on the side...

Isn't part of the point of a TKL to take up less horizontal space? They just added half of what they saved back, and that bezel was already huge.

Not a fan.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: derb2k2 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 09:43:39
That bezel is just so jarring.  :-X

It would look so much nicer if they just sliced it off and kept the Das branding somewhere on the back of the board.

I agree. That is a bit too much branding at the cost of better design and appearance. Are the USB ports really necessary and if so, do they have to be put there?

Keyboard appears nice save for that deformity  :-X
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 27 January 2015, 09:46:16
I kinda like that asymmetrical look. But it's too big. If them slimmed it down a bit I think it'd be better.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: HendyZone on Tue, 27 January 2015, 09:51:55
I kinda like that asymmetrical look. But it's too big. If them slimmed it down a bit I think it'd be better.

+1
Yes too big
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 09:59:53
That bezel is just so jarring.  :-X

It would look so much nicer if they just sliced it off and kept the Das branding somewhere on the back of the board.

I agree. That is a bit too much branding at the cost of better design and appearance. Are the USB ports really necessary and if so, do they have to be put there?

Keyboard appears nice save for that deformity  :-X
Well, the USB ports can definitely be useful, but other boards like the HHKB manage to have them without the ports jutting out of the side like that. That's just more of an aesthetic choice by DAS
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 10:01:40
I'd like it a lot more if the left side wasn't purposelessly asymmetrical.

Especially for branding...I hate when companies do **** like that.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: SirDrexl on Tue, 27 January 2015, 10:27:47
OK, the file folder tab at the top of their full-size is goofy enough, but this thing on the side...

Isn't part of the point of a TKL to take up less horizontal space? They just added half of what they saved back, and that bezel was already huge.

Not a fan.

Well, sort of.  I've always thought that the main reason for a TKL is to get your mouse hand to a more comfortable position and allow you to move the letters portion of the keyboard closer to the center.  To that end, you can add stuff on the left side.  But, of course those that want less space used, period, won't like it.  In this case, if they were going to make the left side that wide they could have thrown in a few macro keys - especially for $143.

BTW, in the picture on their site the "das" and the symbol before it is in red.  I think that switch on the bottom illuminates it.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: berserkfan on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:12:12
Not going to mince words here: the design is damn stupid.

Assymetry is not cool. Taking up extra desktop space is not cool. Not to mention, it means now the mouse is further from the keyboard if you are left handed.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Dihedral on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:23:49
Not going to mince words here: the design is damn stupid.

Assymetry is not cool. Taking up extra desktop space is not cool. Not to mention, it means now the mouse is further from the keyboard if you are left handed.

Basically this. It's a good keyboard that's badly designed, no reason to not get a Filco instead.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 27 January 2015, 12:24:35
why is the left side so big?

i wanna see pricing before i make more assumptions

if this is like $100 it's fine

if it's like $130... not so much
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Hyde on Tue, 27 January 2015, 13:04:23
I couldn't figure out what's wrong with it all morning, now I see it !

It's keytar !!!!!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FMBJEkaC8Lw/SQDz2Jl5_5I/AAAAAAAAbSM/ZAGG0H_R_cQ/s400/keytar_hot_girl300x399.png)


EDIT:  Added picture to better demonstrate my point.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: daerid on Tue, 27 January 2015, 13:47:18
I'll be the black sheep: I kinda like it.

I might get one and swap out the stems with Clears (can't do anything but Clears these days).
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 27 January 2015, 13:51:55
why is the left side so big?

i wanna see pricing before i make more assumptions

if this is like $100 it's fine

if it's like $130... not so much

Exactly, I kinda like the look if it's a alu top, but if it really costs ~150$ there is no reason not to buy a KUL or Ducky TKL for less.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Melvang on Tue, 27 January 2015, 13:57:51
Their PCB's (at least the one in my costar build pre media key version) is pretty durable.  It has had the switches swapped out 4 times now and not one lifted pad.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Rodgaroon on Tue, 27 January 2015, 15:04:21
Show Image
(http://i.stack.imgur.com/Hh4Wk.jpg)


If DAS really has to put that thing on their KB, please put two of them at the bottom so they serve as a palm rest.

^^This 1000x
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 27 January 2015, 15:38:17
why is the left side so big?

i wanna see pricing before i make more assumptions

if this is like $100 it's fine

if it's like $130... not so much

This is DAS we're talking about here. It'll be like $130 and students can get a discount.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: demik on Tue, 27 January 2015, 15:39:50
das ugly
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: rainb1ood on Tue, 27 January 2015, 15:43:01
das ugly

das right
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Jac0b on Tue, 27 January 2015, 15:54:45
I'm disappointed, I really hate the look of that fin.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: demik on Tue, 27 January 2015, 15:57:34
while ugly, at least it added something useful and its not just aesthetics.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 27 January 2015, 16:22:38
Whatever happened to 'Classic' styling?

Still, at least it doesn't look like a Razer or Logitech G710
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: sidel on Tue, 27 January 2015, 17:37:18
Well, at least they're consistent.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 17:42:37
why is the left side so big?

i wanna see pricing before i make more assumptions

if this is like $100 it's fine

if it's like $130... not so much

$143 and they only have browns right now. No thanks.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Snowdog993 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 18:14:11
Just got an email about this, what do you guys think?

Send them back an Email to make it right.  Why in the world would they do that?  It's supposed to save space, not waste it.
If anything, put letters on the keys too.  Blanks are a pain to me too.  Oh, and tell them to make it a bluetooth while they are at it.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 27 January 2015, 18:14:39
why is the left side so big?

i wanna see pricing before i make more assumptions

if this is like $100 it's fine

if it's like $130... not so much

$143 and they only have browns right now. No thanks.

lol no thanks
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Doyniish on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:14:02
Just got an email about this, what do you guys think?

Send them back an Email to make it right.  Why in the world would they do that?  It's supposed to save space, not waste it.
If anything, put letters on the keys too.  Blanks are a pain to me too.  Oh, and tell them to make it a bluetooth while they are at it.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/jA8TT03Sj2pXO/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Novus on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:15:27
DAS makes really nice keyboards.
I will get one.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Awful on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:43:54
I'm buying one.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: tbc on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:08:57
for everyone that says 'no left hump'

would you actually buy one if they made a new revision that is properly rectangular?

honestly?

Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Valen on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:33:40
I would. I keep reading good things about DAS, but a few things stopped me from getting one: fingerprint magnet finish, that hump and no TKL until now.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Nai_Calus on Wed, 28 January 2015, 03:16:16
for everyone that says 'no left hump'

would you actually buy one if they made a new revision that is properly rectangular?

honestly?

Absolutely not, but it commits a number of other sins that'd keep me away:

- I have a board with a glossy frame. It's a magnet for EVERYTHING and looks awful even right after I clean it. I'm more annoyed by this than I am by the fact that my keyboard has a non-standard bottom row.
- I use the numpad for both alt codes and numbers several times a day, so TKL are a complete non-starter for me anyway. If I'm going for inconvenience I'll go straight to a 60% and save even more space because I use the arrows/the nine keys above them less than I use the number pad.
- That bezel is just plain too wide, period.
- Costs too much IMO for what it is.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 28 January 2015, 03:34:18
I don't mind it - black, smooth, and the bulge on the case it the DAS thing - all their keyboards have it.

At least it is on the left side and won't interfere with the mouse (assuming that the mouse is on the right, which would be the case for most people).
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: KRKS on Wed, 28 January 2015, 03:59:31
from 4C Brown page:

Quote
Merchant SKU: DASK4CMKPROSIL (Soft Tactile - Brown Switches)

It was "Cherry MX Brown" at first, now they changed it. MX-Compatible confirmed?
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: JinDesu on Wed, 28 January 2015, 06:09:53
for everyone that says 'no left hump'

would you actually buy one if they made a new revision that is properly rectangular?

honestly?

Absolutely not, but it commits a number of other sins that'd keep me away:

- I have a board with a glossy frame. It's a magnet for EVERYTHING and looks awful even right after I clean it. I'm more annoyed by this than I am by the fact that my keyboard has a non-standard bottom row.
- I use the numpad for both alt codes and numbers several times a day, so TKL are a complete non-starter for me anyway. If I'm going for inconvenience I'll go straight to a 60% and save even more space because I use the arrows/the nine keys above them less than I use the number pad.
- That bezel is just plain too wide, period.
- Costs too much IMO for what it is.

I don't think it's glossy. I have the Das Keyboard 4 and it's anodized aluminum, with a non glossy surface.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Grim Fandango on Wed, 28 January 2015, 06:15:10
I think it looks great. I would buy one if I did not already have more keyboards than I am currently using.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: berserkfan on Wed, 28 January 2015, 06:54:27
I'm buying one.

UM... correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be selling everything for a loss right after touching it.

DAS is not looking promising... might become another money loser for you!
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Doyniish on Wed, 28 January 2015, 08:49:48
I honestly don't think the Ultimate looks that bad. I have loved my DAS ever since I got it, and I'm sure I would love the TKL version as well. The design will grow on me.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: gameaholic on Wed, 28 January 2015, 10:25:20
I kinda like it but would want it in clears or reds.  I don't mind the ports on the left.  What I really wanted to see on this was a volume knob like on the full size version. 
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Doyniish on Wed, 28 January 2015, 11:40:53
I wonder when blues will be available as an option.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Snowdog993 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 12:09:46
Perhaps if they did this, it might be a lot more appealing to more people.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Novus on Wed, 28 January 2015, 12:21:46
I think it looks great. I would buy one if I did not already have more keyboards than I am currently using.

Dood. Get out of here and buy it already.
Psh more keyboards than currently using.
That's what closets are for.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Huxley2500 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 12:36:16
from 4C Brown page:

Quote
Merchant SKU: DASK4CMKPROSIL (Soft Tactile - Brown Switches)

It was "Cherry MX Brown" at first, now they changed it. MX-Compatible confirmed?

Where is my Cherry MX Blue!
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Doyniish on Wed, 28 January 2015, 13:16:36
Perhaps if they did this, it might be a lot more appealing to more people.

True. It takes away from the Das "signature" shape though.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Snowdog993 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 13:51:30
A compromise?
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Doyniish on Wed, 28 January 2015, 14:18:38
 :-*
A compromise?

Personally I dig it!
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: missalaire on Wed, 28 January 2015, 15:04:12
Does not use Cherry switches.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/das-keyboard-4c,28466.html

And it's $143 lol.

http://shop.daskeyboard.com/products/das-keyboard-4c-professional-compact-mechanical-keyboard/
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Folio on Wed, 28 January 2015, 15:15:35
Fixed.

Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Doyniish on Wed, 28 January 2015, 15:57:50
Not even Cherry for that price? What a joke!
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Altis on Wed, 28 January 2015, 20:39:35
Not even Cherry for that price? What a joke!

Wonder what they are if they are "soft tactile Brown" but not Cherry....

I actually quite like the look of that keyboard, though I'm not a huge fan of the side hump (but don't really dislike it either). At least the USB ports are on the proper side now... Nothing like having a USB drive stick out of my numpad, making me get a second desk for my mouse because it's so far away. TKL with left-side ports... much better.  :cool:

The finish and overall look appeals to me. I'm not super crazy about the build quality of my Das Keyboard 3 though, so I'm not sure what to make of this. I'm hoping it'll show up at Canada Computers locally so I can give it a go.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Sygaldry on Wed, 28 January 2015, 20:41:04
Not even Cherry for that price? What a joke!

Wonder what they are if they are "soft tactile Brown" but not Cherry....

I actually quite like the look of that keyboard, though I'm not a huge fan of the side hump (but don't really dislike it either). At least the USB ports are on the proper side now... Nothing like having a USB drive stick out of my numpad, making me get a second desk for my mouse because it's so far away. TKL with left-side ports... much better.  :cool:

The finish and overall look appeals to me. I'm not super crazy about the build quality of my Das Keyboard 3 though, so I'm not sure what to make of this. I'm hoping it'll show up at Canada Computers locally so I can give it a go.

Apparently Greetech switches.

http://www.greetech.com/products.asp?bigclassname=GT02%E6%8C%89%E9%94%AE%E5%BC%80%E5%85%B3
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Altis on Wed, 28 January 2015, 20:58:59
Not even Cherry for that price? What a joke!

Wonder what they are if they are "soft tactile Brown" but not Cherry....

I actually quite like the look of that keyboard, though I'm not a huge fan of the side hump (but don't really dislike it either). At least the USB ports are on the proper side now... Nothing like having a USB drive stick out of my numpad, making me get a second desk for my mouse because it's so far away. TKL with left-side ports... much better.  :cool:

The finish and overall look appeals to me. I'm not super crazy about the build quality of my Das Keyboard 3 though, so I'm not sure what to make of this. I'm hoping it'll show up at Canada Computers locally so I can give it a go.

Apparently Greetech switches.

http://www.greetech.com/products.asp?bigclassname=GT02%E6%8C%89%E9%94%AE%E5%BC%80%E5%85%B3

I just found that on a review and was going to post back. Never heard of them.

Apparently the top of the keyboard is anodized aluminum, which is a nice touch.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Snowdog993 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 23:57:29
Fixed.
Okay last one.
For the most of modest of change. Not much would be needed to change it to this, and you can have all the benefits of the left side USB ports without wasting desk space.  Kaput.
Edit: If this actually comes out as the 4D they better give me one with a thank you letter included. (I know pretty much that isn't gonna happen LOL!  But the change would be nice!) 
I guess that would be called the "professional" with the key letters.  I submitted all three concepts to them.
If I didn't care I wouldn't suggest anything and shrug my shoulders.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 29 January 2015, 06:44:15
Reddit says greetech switches.

Looks like chinese grasp trash, not even the decent ones.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Roibhilin on Thu, 29 January 2015, 08:30:59
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/648/220/67b.jpg)
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 29 January 2015, 08:34:36
Fixed.

LOL'd

The Das space waster.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: faceyourfaces on Thu, 29 January 2015, 08:46:01
It has the brown and blue switches!
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Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: monotagary on Thu, 29 January 2015, 10:08:05
This is it. The end of Das. I thought that the bezel was the worst part of this board, but not using Cherry and still at that price point?


My ****ing sides are gone.  :))
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 29 January 2015, 10:52:18
One: $143 for a stock TKL board
Two: $143 for a stock TKL board w/ junk tier clones

Why
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 29 January 2015, 11:34:57
So every OEM has their own version of cherry mx compatible switches now? Oh the insanity.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Dihedral on Thu, 29 January 2015, 13:31:35
So every OEM has their own version of cherry mx compatible switches now? Oh the insanity.

Just wait for Cooler Master pro gaming rapid switches™
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Thu, 29 January 2015, 13:46:12
Oh, it's Greetechs? I see.

Greetech switches are also used in A4tech and Royal Kludge products. For comparison on price, RK boards with Greetechs are 299 yuan ($47.85) for the regular version, and 419 yuan ($67.05) for the RGB backlit version (also compare that to the prices Corsair charges for their RGB boards!). Interestingly, they (RK) also say that Greetech was at some point OEM for Honeywell. Reviews say pretty much the same things as they do with Kailh-- feels more or less like Cherry MX, with maybe some slight differences or inconsistencies. As with Kailhs, it's hard to know how much of the difference is reality and how much of it is people noticing inconsistencies that they wouldn't notice on Cherry switches because of the difference in expectations.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: monotagary on Thu, 29 January 2015, 13:52:25
Oh, it's Greetechs? I see.

Greetech switches are also used in A4tech and Royal Kludge products. For comparison on price, RK boards with Greetechs are 299 yuan ($47.85) for the regular version, and 419 yuan ($67.05) for the RGB backlit version (also compare that to the prices Corsair charges for their RGB boards!). Interestingly, they (RK) also say that Greetech was at some point OEM for Honeywell. Reviews say pretty much the same things as they do with Kailh-- feels more or less like Cherry MX, with maybe some slight differences or inconsistencies. As with Kailhs, it's hard to know how much of the difference is reality and how much of it is people noticing inconsistencies that they wouldn't notice on Cherry switches because of the difference in expectations.


Wow, and Das is trying to sell these at $143USD. That's a riot.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: faceyourfaces on Thu, 29 January 2015, 13:57:55
Oh, it's Greetechs? I see.

Greetech switches are also used in A4tech and Royal Kludge products. For comparison on price, RK boards with Greetechs are 299 yuan ($47.85) for the regular version, and 419 yuan ($67.05) for the RGB backlit version (also compare that to the prices Corsair charges for their RGB boards!). Interestingly, they (RK) also say that Greetech was at some point OEM for Honeywell. Reviews say pretty much the same things as they do with Kailh-- feels more or less like Cherry MX, with maybe some slight differences or inconsistencies. As with Kailhs, it's hard to know how much of the difference is reality and how much of it is people noticing inconsistencies that they wouldn't notice on Cherry switches because of the difference in expectations.


Wow, and Das is trying to sell these at $143USD. That's a riot.

Even if it did have Cherry switches, it's still just a TKL with ABS keycaps. There's nothing about this keyboard that makes it worth even close to that price, IMO.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Snowdog993 on Thu, 29 January 2015, 14:50:58
Back to the drawing board?
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Parak on Thu, 29 January 2015, 15:03:58
Pad printed keycaps too.  :thumb:
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 29 January 2015, 15:12:54
So every OEM has their own version of cherry mx compatible switches now? Oh the insanity.

Just wait for Cooler Master pro gaming rapid switches�

Nah, those might end up being good.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: faceyourfaces on Thu, 29 January 2015, 17:14:24
Pad printed keycaps too.  :thumb:

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 29 January 2015, 17:46:16
Pad printed keycaps too.  :thumb:
But.. I.. just... what?
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Valen on Thu, 29 January 2015, 20:52:39
I would. I keep reading good things about DAS, but a few things stopped me from getting one: fingerprint magnet finish, that hump and no TKL until now.
I take back what I said earlier about getting one if they change the design. $143 with Greetech switches :eek: Greentech will have to prove its worthiness before they can get my hard earned money.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: demik on Thu, 29 January 2015, 20:55:39
So every OEM has their own version of cherry mx compatible switches now? Oh the insanity.

crap is crap, no matter who makes it
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Hyde on Thu, 29 January 2015, 21:22:03
Oh, it's Greetechs? I see.

Greetech switches are also used in A4tech and Royal Kludge products. For comparison on price, RK boards with Greetechs are 299 yuan ($47.85) for the regular version, and 419 yuan ($67.05) for the RGB backlit version (also compare that to the prices Corsair charges for their RGB boards!). Interestingly, they (RK) also say that Greetech was at some point OEM for Honeywell. Reviews say pretty much the same things as they do with Kailh-- feels more or less like Cherry MX, with maybe some slight differences or inconsistencies. As with Kailhs, it's hard to know how much of the difference is reality and how much of it is people noticing inconsistencies that they wouldn't notice on Cherry switches because of the difference in expectations.


Wow, and Das is trying to sell these at $143USD. That's a riot.

Even if it did have Cherry switches, it's still just a TKL with ABS keycaps. There's nothing about this keyboard that makes it worth even close to that price, IMO.

I'm assuming they're charging the premium because of the USB pass through + aluminum top plate.

But considering they're using 3rd party switch their price should be lower.

Das is trying to compete with Apple in terms of charging a premium because their products are "cool".
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 29 January 2015, 21:29:51
Does not use Cherry switches.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/das-keyboard-4c,28466.html

And it's $143 lol.

http://shop.daskeyboard.com/products/das-keyboard-4c-professional-compact-mechanical-keyboard/

Not that I have anything in particular against non-Cherry MX-compatible switches, but this takes the keyboard off the top of my wanted list.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Snowdog993 on Thu, 29 January 2015, 21:38:56
I think what disappoints us the most is the design.  They get that wrong.  Then they change the switches.  They get that wrong.  Then they overprice the keyboard by 35% and expect it because it's what everyone wants.  They will still have buyers because of the name and devoted customers.
I just hope that DAS takes things seriously, rather than go with the marketing thing.  But we have already seen this with Cherry themselves.  All hype and latest and greatest until they get a new model everyone wants again.
*sigh*
Some things never change.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: mr626 on Thu, 29 January 2015, 22:27:55
There is nothing about this keyboard that I like.

Then again, I thought the original Das were ugly too.

Meh.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Nai_Calus on Thu, 29 January 2015, 23:10:04
So... It's ugly, more expensive than some full-sized keyboards, has cheap knock-off switches I've never even heard of before, and has bad keycaps?

I'm not sure what to even say.
Title: Re: The New Das Keyboard 4C
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 30 January 2015, 06:51:12
A compromise?
Much improved. And please Das, put the USB ports on the back of the keyboard so the cables don't get in the way of the mouse.