FC660C (orange keyboard LOL)
FC660C (orange keyboard LOL)
what do you mean orange keyboard? :O
If you had a choice between Leopold FC660C and Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2. Which one would you pick and why?I have both of this gems, unfortunately Leo is eating dust at this moment.
If you had a choice between Leopold FC660C and Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2. Which one would you pick and why?
hhkb, because it has the best layout.Don't forget the stupid right shift
it looks better. and 660c is ugly as ****.
660c isn't even topre worthy.
for it's size, why not just get an 87u?
FC660C Pros: Solid, steel plate, arrow keys for those who want/need them in the primary layer.
FC660C Cons: At the time, there were no replacement keycaps available, and I didn't like the stock caps. The layout was not quite to my liking, and I didn't like the overall asymmetry and aesthetics.
HHKB Pros: True 60% form factor, highly intuitive and efficient layout, beautiful keycaps, overall symmetry and aesthetics.
HHKB Cons: Hollow plasticky sound. Case-mounted switches lack the heavy solidity of plate-mounted switches.
The hollow case sounds of my HHKB are imo, one of the best feelings I've tried so far.
It amplifies tactility and I do enjoy the feedback I get throughout the whole case.
Edit:forgot a word
Haha yeah I think so. Topre on plastic, especially right on the case, allows for some great percussion imo.The hollow case sounds of my HHKB are imo, one of the best feelings I've tried so far.
It amplifies tactility and I do enjoy the feedback I get throughout the whole case.
Edit:forgot a word
I had no idea this was a thing.
Hhkb or bust...
34C, sir.Hhkb or bust...
What size is the bust? 36D??
If you had a choice between Leopold FC660C and Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2. Which one would you pick and why?
34C, sir.Hhkb or bust...
What size is the bust? 36D??
I've wondered for a while what the reasoning is for ins/del there. I can understand delete, I use that sometimes. I also use home/end/pgup/pgdown fairly often while writing code. I can't recall the last time I used insert.
I know it's probably for something that I simply don't do, can anybody enlighten me please?
34C, sir.Hhkb or bust...
What size is the bust? 36D??
I'd accept bust :p
i badly wanted a HHKB Pro JP Type-S until i realised that HHKBs don't have plates :(
i just can't stand any flexing anymore.
i'm probably going for the Realforce 87U, rather than the Leopold FC660C,
because the "silly" layout of the (right side of the) 660C is a turn-off for me.
i badly wanted a HHKB Pro JP Type-S until i realised that HHKBs don't have plates :(
i just can't stand any flexing anymore.
i'm probably going for the Realforce 87U, rather than the Leopold FC660C,
because the "silly" layout of the (right side of the) 660C is a turn-off for me.
The FC660C is much better in my opinion.We're no more vocal about the HHKB than you are about the FC660C, sir.
The HHKB's layout is a nightmare. The Fn key has to be pressed with the right pinky, and you have to use it all the time, as the arrows are not directly accessible. If you have to use the Fn layer all the time, then at least Fn key should be located in a place where it can be activated by a thumb.
The location of the Home and End keys makes them really hard to reach. I use them all the time and they must also be pressed in combination with Fn. So you put your pinky to the right of the Shift key and you have to reach the K key. Maybe it's just me, but after a while it becomes tiring and almost painful. If you have big hands, maybe it's not a problem.
Clearly, some people love the HHKB's layout, and they want you to love it, too. They are very vocal about it.
Well I don't like it. It sucks.
The FC660C's layout is much more natural and easy to use. It has arrow keys, and the Fn key can be relocated to the left or the right of the keyboard. I put it on the left.
Some people say that they don't like the look of the FC660C because of the right side. At first glance, it seems that there are just two keys (Insert and Delete) hanging there, and that the empty space could have better been used. But when you use the keyboard, you realize that this empty space is great because it gives tactile clues. When all the keys are grouped together, it's harder to tell which is which just by touch.
Your fingers don't see. If you judge a keyboard by its look, you are mistaken.
The FC660C is much better in my opinion.
The HHKB's layout is a nightmare. The Fn key has to be pressed with the right pinky, and you have to use it all the time, as the arrows are not directly accessible. If you have to use the Fn layer all the time, then at least Fn key should be located in a place where it can be activated by a thumb.
The location of the Home and End keys makes them really hard to reach. I use them all the time and they must also be pressed in combination with Fn. So you put your pinky to the right of the Shift key and you have to reach the K key. Maybe it's just me, but after a while it becomes tiring and almost painful. If you have big hands, maybe it's not a problem.
Clearly, some people love the HHKB's layout, and they want you to love it, too. They are very vocal about it.
Well I don't like it. It sucks.
The FC660C's layout is much more natural and easy to use. It has arrow keys, and the Fn key can be relocated to the left or the right of the keyboard. I put it on the left.
Some people say that they don't like the look of the FC660C because of the right side. At first glance, it seems that there are just two keys (Insert and Delete) hanging there, and that the empty space could have better been used. But when you use the keyboard, you realize that this empty space is great because it gives tactile clues. When all the keys are grouped together, it's harder to tell which is which just by touch.
Your fingers don't see. If you judge a keyboard by its look, you are mistaken.
The FC660C is much better in my opinion.
The HHKB's layout is a nightmare. The Fn key has to be pressed with the right pinky, and you have to use it all the time, as the arrows are not directly accessible. If you have to use the Fn layer all the time, then at least Fn key should be located in a place where it can be activated by a thumb.
The location of the Home and End keys makes them really hard to reach. I use them all the time and they must also be pressed in combination with Fn. So you put your pinky to the right of the Shift key and you have to reach the K key. Maybe it's just me, but after a while it becomes tiring and almost painful. If you have big hands, maybe it's not a problem.
Clearly, some people love the HHKB's layout, and they want you to love it, too. They are very vocal about it.
Well I don't like it. It sucks.
The FC660C's layout is much more natural and easy to use. It has arrow keys, and the Fn key can be relocated to the left or the right of the keyboard. I put it on the left.
Some people say that they don't like the look of the FC660C because of the right side. At first glance, it seems that there are just two keys (Insert and Delete) hanging there, and that the empty space could have better been used. But when you use the keyboard, you realize that this empty space is great because it gives tactile clues. When all the keys are grouped together, it's harder to tell which is which just by touch.
Your fingers don't see. If you judge a keyboard by its look, you are mistaken.
i badly wanted a HHKB Pro JP Type-S until i realised that HHKBs don't have plates :(
i just can't stand any flexing anymore.
i'm probably going for the Realforce 87U, rather than the Leopold FC660C,
because the "silly" layout of the (right side of the) 660C is a turn-off for me.
The FC660C is much better in my opinion.We're no more vocal about the HHKB than you are about the FC660C, sir.
The HHKB's layout is a nightmare. The Fn key has to be pressed with the right pinky, and you have to use it all the time, as the arrows are not directly accessible. If you have to use the Fn layer all the time, then at least Fn key should be located in a place where it can be activated by a thumb.
The location of the Home and End keys makes them really hard to reach. I use them all the time and they must also be pressed in combination with Fn. So you put your pinky to the right of the Shift key and you have to reach the K key. Maybe it's just me, but after a while it becomes tiring and almost painful. If you have big hands, maybe it's not a problem.
Clearly, some people love the HHKB's layout, and they want you to love it, too. They are very vocal about it.
Well I don't like it. It sucks.
The FC660C's layout is much more natural and easy to use. It has arrow keys, and the Fn key can be relocated to the left or the right of the keyboard. I put it on the left.
Some people say that they don't like the look of the FC660C because of the right side. At first glance, it seems that there are just two keys (Insert and Delete) hanging there, and that the empty space could have better been used. But when you use the keyboard, you realize that this empty space is great because it gives tactile clues. When all the keys are grouped together, it's harder to tell which is which just by touch.
Your fingers don't see. If you judge a keyboard by its look, you are mistaken.
The HHKB's layout is a nightmare. The Fn key has to be pressed with the right pinky, and you have to use it all the time, as the arrows are not directly accessible. If you have to use the Fn layer all the time, then at least Fn key should be located in a place where it can be activated by a thumb.And it is, you just need to play with dip switches. Then you can locate FN on the left diamond key, which just by "accident" is accessible by a thumb...
Exactly how I feel too. Love my FC660C, and will never bother with a HHKB, even if one was given to me as a gift. I'd just turn around and sell it to one of the HHKB fanboys. :D
The HHKB's layout is a nightmare. The Fn key has to be pressed with the right pinky, and you have to use it all the time, as the arrows are not directly accessible. If you have to use the Fn layer all the time, then at least Fn key should be located in a place where it can be activated by a thumb.And it is, you just need to play with dip switches. Then you can locate FN on the left diamond key, which just by "accident" is accessible by a thumb...
Well... You can also press the default Fn key with a thumb, I guess...
I don't understand what you mean by "yes, you can use spiceBar tutorial to silent/kill it".
And who sounds like fanboy now?
Honestly, both HHK and FC660c are good keyboards but at the end of the day Leo just have more flaws:
No information about dip switches, not even on the box, you need to visit net to get those info. But is only 4 of them so is not too hard to learn them, but always. HHKB got this info on the back.
Switching capslock with control on Fc660c is killing red led light, which make sense. But when you look on this control key with small window for it, you just have this strange feeling...
Some key combination on Leo just don't work, famous Ctrl+Shift+Esc command for taskmanager. Also, maybe it is just me, but I had problems to get fn + arrow for PgUp/PgDn working on Mac (I'm using 4 systems atm Win/Lin/FreeBSD/Mac). Yes I know, I can use different combinations, but still.
Wobbling keys (yes, you can use spiceBar tutorial to silent/kill it) that you can't replace/customize, well not all of them...
And, then, layout. To get to this nice FN+ arrow godly combination on Leo (same as Del key), I need to move my entire arm. And as you can guess, I'm lazy and I don't like to do so...
You can like or hate layout on HHKB, is absolutely understandable. Has no metal plate, is expensive and it can feel plastic for many. But in my opinion is just better product than FC660c.
They are different kind of animals, maybe that's why I'm keeping both still :cool:
For me Leo have "heavier" like feeling compare to HHKB, very close to 87u 55.
I think the metal plate is making the difference, but I wouldn't guard this argument for long.
Comparing Novatouch and FC660c can be tricky one.
I was using it with default ABS keys vs denser PBT on Leo, so probably you will need to ask someone who managed to replace keys on CM.
They are different kind of animals, maybe that's why I'm keeping both still :cool:
For me Leo have "heavier" like feeling compare to HHKB, very close to 87u 55.
I think the metal plate is making the difference, but I wouldn't guard this argument for long.
Comparing Novatouch and FC660c can be tricky one.
I was using it with default ABS keys vs denser PBT on Leo, so probably you will need to ask someone who managed to replace keys on CM.
I think the later releases of the 660c seemed heavier than the earlier ones...But both feel heavier than RF45g IMO. Some basic testing I did showed that as well..they take slightly more weight than the 45g on a RF but less than the 55g on a RF...
For me it came down to availability. The HHKB is available in the states through Elite KeyBoards and the FC660C is only available on ebay.
If anything went wrong with the board (not saying it would) I think it is easier to go through Elite Keyboards then the ebay seller because it would have to be shipped over seas (by me) for repair.
I was surprised on how quickly i got use to the layout of the HHKB and yes the arrow keys can sometimes be missed.
i got both of my FC660Cs from widebasket (ebay seller) - second one is in the mail, widebasket is quick and very professional.
question for spicebar and anyone else who has used the FC660C for a longer period of time....
have you used the mini USB port extensively (like connecting/disconnecting the cable every day), if so, do you think it will last? on my board i try to "use" the port as few times as possible, that's why i'm getting a second one for having it at work, so i don't have to plug in the cable every day, because i fear that the port itself will wear out. it's relatively wobbly as it is right now, and that's pretty much a new board (well a few months old, but i did plug/unplug it more than 20-30 times).
With a RF87U, a Novatouch, a FC660C and an HHKB Type-S in front of me, here is what I find:
- The heaviest is the HHKB Type-S
- Then comes the Novatouch
- Then the FC660C and the RF87U, which feel about the same, except for the lightest keys on the RF.
The ESC key on my RF (it's supposed to be 55g) is only marginally heavier than the keys on the HHKB. I know it's not supposed to be that way, but I have always noticed that my HHKB was surprisingly heavy for a 45g Topre.
My FC660C has always been on the lighter side. From what I have heard, it should not be the case. But it's definitely lighter than the HHKB, by a good margin.
I guess it's all due to the difficulty of producing rubber domes that are all consistent in strength.
In the end, it does not make a lot of difference. They feel similar enough that it does not matter when I use them.
They are different kind of animals, maybe that's why I'm keeping both still :cool:
For me Leo have "heavier" like feeling compare to HHKB, very close to 87u 55.
I think the metal plate is making the difference, but I wouldn't guard this argument for long.
Comparing Novatouch and FC660c can be tricky one.
I was using it with default ABS keys vs denser PBT on Leo, so probably you will need to ask someone who managed to replace keys on CM.
They are different kind of animals, maybe that's why I'm keeping both still :cool:
For me Leo have "heavier" like feeling compare to HHKB, very close to 87u 55.
I think the metal plate is making the difference, but I wouldn't guard this argument for long.
Comparing Novatouch and FC660c can be tricky one.
I was using it with default ABS keys vs denser PBT on Leo, so probably you will need to ask someone who managed to replace keys on CM.
I think the later releases of the 660c seemed heavier than the earlier ones...But both feel heavier than RF45g IMO. Some basic testing I did showed that as well..they take slightly more weight than the 45g on a RF but less than the 55g on a RF...
With a RF87U, a Novatouch, a FC660C and an HHKB Type-S in front of me, here is what I find:
- The heaviest is the HHKB Type-S
- Then comes the Novatouch
- Then the FC660C and the RF87U, which feel about the same, except for the lightest keys on the RF.
The ESC key on my RF (it's supposed to be 55g) is only marginally heavier than the keys on the HHKB. I know it's not supposed to be that way, but I have always noticed that my HHKB was surprisingly heavy for a 45g Topre.
My FC660C has always been on the lighter side. From what I have heard, it should not be the case. But it's definitely lighter than the HHKB, by a good margin.
I guess it's all due to the difficulty of producing rubber domes that are all consistent in strength.
In the end, it does not make a lot of difference. They feel similar enough that it does not matter when I use them.
They are different kind of animals, maybe that's why I'm keeping both still :cool:
For me Leo have "heavier" like feeling compare to HHKB, very close to 87u 55.
I think the metal plate is making the difference, but I wouldn't guard this argument for long.
Comparing Novatouch and FC660c can be tricky one.
I was using it with default ABS keys vs denser PBT on Leo, so probably you will need to ask someone who managed to replace keys on CM.
That seemed like the case for me too, for some reason, the 660c does not feel like a 45g. Im no topre expert(or "elite") but I was definitely able notice the difference. The 660c seemed like the perfect balance between 45g and 55g. Personally, HHKB felt too light for me and 55g u felt too heavy but that just might be my experience in getting use to the 660c. I do agree the Novatouch and 660c is hard to compare due to the use of different stock keycaps.They are different kind of animals, maybe that's why I'm keeping both still :cool:
For me Leo have "heavier" like feeling compare to HHKB, very close to 87u 55.
I think the metal plate is making the difference, but I wouldn't guard this argument for long.
Comparing Novatouch and FC660c can be tricky one.
I was using it with default ABS keys vs denser PBT on Leo, so probably you will need to ask someone who managed to replace keys on CM.
I think the later releases of the 660c seemed heavier than the earlier ones...But both feel heavier than RF45g IMO. Some basic testing I did showed that as well..they take slightly more weight than the 45g on a RF but less than the 55g on a RF...
With a RF87U, a Novatouch, a FC660C and an HHKB Type-S in front of me, here is what I find:
- The heaviest is the HHKB Type-S
- Then comes the Novatouch
- Then the FC660C and the RF87U, which feel about the same, except for the lightest keys on the RF.
The ESC key on my RF (it's supposed to be 55g) is only marginally heavier than the keys on the HHKB. I know it's not supposed to be that way, but I have always noticed that my HHKB was surprisingly heavy for a 45g Topre.
My FC660C has always been on the lighter side. From what I have heard, it should not be the case. But it's definitely lighter than the HHKB, by a good margin.
I guess it's all due to the difficulty of producing rubber domes that are all consistent in strength.
In the end, it does not make a lot of difference. They feel similar enough that it does not matter when I use them.
When did you buy your 660c? and is it the dye-sub version?
Im asking since some 660c owners think that the earlier versions has a lighter switch weight. Im guessing, maybe the switch weight was modified with the release of the dye-sub versions?
See, that attitude of yours is exactly what I'm talking about. Do you realize how self absorbed you sound in half of your posts?The FC660C is much better in my opinion.We're no more vocal about the HHKB than you are about the FC660C, sir.
The HHKB's layout is a nightmare. The Fn key has to be pressed with the right pinky, and you have to use it all the time, as the arrows are not directly accessible. If you have to use the Fn layer all the time, then at least Fn key should be located in a place where it can be activated by a thumb.
The location of the Home and End keys makes them really hard to reach. I use them all the time and they must also be pressed in combination with Fn. So you put your pinky to the right of the Shift key and you have to reach the K key. Maybe it's just me, but after a while it becomes tiring and almost painful. If you have big hands, maybe it's not a problem.
Clearly, some people love the HHKB's layout, and they want you to love it, too. They are very vocal about it.
Well I don't like it. It sucks.
The FC660C's layout is much more natural and easy to use. It has arrow keys, and the Fn key can be relocated to the left or the right of the keyboard. I put it on the left.
Some people say that they don't like the look of the FC660C because of the right side. At first glance, it seems that there are just two keys (Insert and Delete) hanging there, and that the empty space could have better been used. But when you use the keyboard, you realize that this empty space is great because it gives tactile clues. When all the keys are grouped together, it's harder to tell which is which just by touch.
Your fingers don't see. If you judge a keyboard by its look, you are mistaken.
Really? I don't have "FC660C elite" in my signature for example. I don't even use my FC660C every day.
I own both the FC660C and the HHKB Type-S. What about you?
Thanks for the input :thumb:MoreThey are different kind of animals, maybe that's why I'm keeping both still :cool:
For me Leo have "heavier" like feeling compare to HHKB, very close to 87u 55.
I think the metal plate is making the difference, but I wouldn't guard this argument for long.
Comparing Novatouch and FC660c can be tricky one.
I was using it with default ABS keys vs denser PBT on Leo, so probably you will need to ask someone who managed to replace keys on CM.
That seemed like the case for me too, for some reason, the 660c does not feel like a 45g. Im no topre expert(or "elite") but I was definitely able notice the difference. The 660c seemed like the perfect balance between 45g and 55g. Personally, HHKB felt too light for me and 55g u felt too heavy but that just might be my experience in getting use to the 660c. I do agree the Novatouch and 660c is hard to compare due to the use of different stock keycaps.They are different kind of animals, maybe that's why I'm keeping both still :cool:
For me Leo have "heavier" like feeling compare to HHKB, very close to 87u 55.
I think the metal plate is making the difference, but I wouldn't guard this argument for long.
Comparing Novatouch and FC660c can be tricky one.
I was using it with default ABS keys vs denser PBT on Leo, so probably you will need to ask someone who managed to replace keys on CM.
I think the later releases of the 660c seemed heavier than the earlier ones...But both feel heavier than RF45g IMO. Some basic testing I did showed that as well..they take slightly more weight than the 45g on a RF but less than the 55g on a RF...
With a RF87U, a Novatouch, a FC660C and an HHKB Type-S in front of me, here is what I find:
- The heaviest is the HHKB Type-S
- Then comes the Novatouch
- Then the FC660C and the RF87U, which feel about the same, except for the lightest keys on the RF.
The ESC key on my RF (it's supposed to be 55g) is only marginally heavier than the keys on the HHKB. I know it's not supposed to be that way, but I have always noticed that my HHKB was surprisingly heavy for a 45g Topre.
My FC660C has always been on the lighter side. From what I have heard, it should not be the case. But it's definitely lighter than the HHKB, by a good margin.
I guess it's all due to the difficulty of producing rubber domes that are all consistent in strength.
In the end, it does not make a lot of difference. They feel similar enough that it does not matter when I use them.
When did you buy your 660c? and is it the dye-sub version?
Im asking since some 660c owners think that the earlier versions has a lighter switch weight. Im guessing, maybe the switch weight was modified with the release of the dye-sub versions?
I bought my FC660C in mid-2013.
I don't think I have the dye-sub version, because I can actually feel the legends when I touch the keycaps. Its very subtle but I can feel them.
So mine may be an early batch.
See, that attitude of yours is exactly what I'm talking about. Do you realize how self absorbed you sound in half of your posts?The FC660C is much better in my opinion.We're no more vocal about the HHKB than you are about the FC660C, sir.
The HHKB's layout is a nightmare. The Fn key has to be pressed with the right pinky, and you have to use it all the time, as the arrows are not directly accessible. If you have to use the Fn layer all the time, then at least Fn key should be located in a place where it can be activated by a thumb.
The location of the Home and End keys makes them really hard to reach. I use them all the time and they must also be pressed in combination with Fn. So you put your pinky to the right of the Shift key and you have to reach the K key. Maybe it's just me, but after a while it becomes tiring and almost painful. If you have big hands, maybe it's not a problem.
Clearly, some people love the HHKB's layout, and they want you to love it, too. They are very vocal about it.
Well I don't like it. It sucks.
The FC660C's layout is much more natural and easy to use. It has arrow keys, and the Fn key can be relocated to the left or the right of the keyboard. I put it on the left.
Some people say that they don't like the look of the FC660C because of the right side. At first glance, it seems that there are just two keys (Insert and Delete) hanging there, and that the empty space could have better been used. But when you use the keyboard, you realize that this empty space is great because it gives tactile clues. When all the keys are grouped together, it's harder to tell which is which just by touch.
Your fingers don't see. If you judge a keyboard by its look, you are mistaken.
Really? I don't have "FC660C elite" in my signature for example. I don't even use my FC660C every day.
I own both the FC660C and the HHKB Type-S. What about you?
You're always attacking people who point out your inconsistencies or your condescending attitude. You made a post about how HHKB users are vocal and I pointed out the fact that your thoughts on the FC660C are just as opinionated if not more. Then you respond by attacking my views on the HHKB where the ONLY thing I posted about was your attitude; I made NO comment on the HHKB vs. The FC660C in the post you quoted. The fact that you felt the need to attack me on the grounds of my title instead of addressing the post is just silly. Get your head out of your ass man.
By the way the title is from this thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51282.0
No need to get so butt hurt about it.
This is the second time you've attacked my title so I'm fairly certain you ARE butt hurt about it.
This is also the second time you've responded to me with "I have more keyboards than you so my opinion is more valid"
(By the way, what does the fact that I can see how opinionated you are have to do with my experience with the FC660C? I'm having a very hard time making the logical connections)
Since you're obviously fishing for my opinion on the FC660C, the reason I don't have one is because I had an FC660M and I hated the layout. I don't tell people how ****ty it is on a daily basis though because I know a layout that doesn't work for me might work for someone else. YOU, on the other hand, try to convince people of how inadequate the HHKB layout is on daily basis.
Also, do you have a cookie cutter response for every time someone pushes your buttons?
To toss your half baked logic back at you:
"Hey, I have 10 computers and I use them every day, do you? If not my opinion on computer peripherals is more valid than yours."