Post by: ManicMatt1125 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 10:44:58
Post by: jonathanyu on Sat, 31 January 2015, 10:48:19
Post by: whentheclouds on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:02:09
one tip: if you're looking to jump right to the endgame, you should really spend some time reading up on the various components that make up a board. would be pretty silly if you spent 500-600 bucks on a GON to find out that the brown switches you thought were great for gaming actually suck. you'll also learn that GON and KMAC aren't the only options for custom, and you'll find much more choices if you stick around for a while
Post by: ManicMatt1125 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:05:19
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:10:31
Thanks, I'm versed on switches and the only choice I have to make is on the actual PCB and case. It sounds like if I go for the GON I have more options as far as customization goesyeah, though they are pretty different design wise and ito really comes down to which you prefer. A Kmac might end up costing you a little more and will harder to find since GON has a store what you can buy from
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:17:50
Post by: ManicMatt1125 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:26:46
Post by: zennasyndroxx on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:26:57
but you can email the people behind winkeyless if they still have alu plates for their b87 boards, they ran a gb over at korean forums months ago and they do not put that in their store. the last I've asked they've VERY limited plates left.
I'm not sure if kbdmod is still live but if you're looking for a full aluminum keyboard, you can ask the guys at kbdmod if they still have any kmac2s in store.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:29:26
Well I have located a seller for both, the GON will be ready in 1 week and the KMAC is avail now.
(http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/its-magic-shia-labeouf-gif.gif)
Post by: zennasyndroxx on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:30:01
Well I have located a seller for both, the GON will be ready in 1 week and the KMAC is avail now.
I vote for KMAC
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:30:28
Well I have located a seller for both, the GON will be ready in 1 week and the KMAC is avail now.well if you have the money for the Kmac and one ready to go I'd get the Kmac
Post by: demik on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:30:59
Post by: whentheclouds on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:33:10
Thanks, I'm versed on switchesthere's a lot more to switches than the standard blues, blacks, browns and reds ;) the PCB is where you don't have to make the choice, as i said. there's no reason to use the outdated a.87 PCB that comes with a KMAC 2 kit, when you can get a KMAC-compatible NerDv2 PCB from GON. KMACs should be quite cheaper than a decked out GON, they're pretty old and i think their luxury status has fallen down a notch since a couple years ago
there are also a couple of upcoming korean kustom groupbuys. if i were you i'll hold off getting either a GON or KMAC at the moment. buying a high end product without doing proper research beforehand is very liable to give you buyer's remorse. but if you're committed to spending now, nobody here will stop you
edit: oh you're buying secondhand. in that case, choose based on aesthetics, layout and switches. price should be the last priority imo
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:34:39
neitheroh you
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:35:43
Post by: ManicMatt1125 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:39:50
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:41:33
I need at least TKL so hhkb is not an option unfortunately
Demik uses HKKB elitist, it was ineffective
Post by: MGH on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:41:40
I need at least TKL so hhkb is not an option unfortunatelyRealforce
Post by: zennasyndroxx on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:41:58
Thanks, I'm versed on switchesthere's a lot more to switches than the standard blues, blacks, browns and reds ;) the PCB is where you don't have to make the choice, as i said. there's no reason to use the outdated a.87 PCB that comes with a KMAC 2 kit, when you can get a KMAC-compatible NerDv2 PCB from GON. KMACs should be quite cheaper than a decked out GON, they're pretty old and i think their luxury status has fallen down a notch since a couple years ago
there are also a couple of upcoming korean kustom groupbuys. if i were you i'll hold off getting either a GON or KMAC at the moment. buying a high end product without doing proper research beforehand is very liable to give you buyer's remorse. but if you're committed to spending now, nobody here will stop you
FYI, kmac 1,1.2, or the kmac2 doesn't use a.87.
and why is a.87 outdated? just because it's missing bottom LEDs?
kmac's pcb is, kmac's pcb. it's not a.87 not gons. It's created by the kbdmod team
I've not tried gon's PCB (wanted to try to see what can I do with the GUI tool but was unable to since I need a gon's board to do it) but winkeyless, the team behind a.87 and b87 is till date, the one with the most usability features.
also, just to let you know, there's quite a number of people who used a.87 as pcb for their custom case designs.
Post by: whentheclouds on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:52:10
Post by: zennasyndroxx on Sat, 31 January 2015, 11:58:05
ah sorry for the mixup about KMAC's PCB. but nevermind the a.87 debate, i'm trying to ensure OP makes the most informed choice possible before committing to what seems to me like an expensive impulse buy. not that i'll lose sleep over his decision either way
it's alright. Just wanted to clear some confusion here too.
Nonetheless, if you want a board with very advanced LED features among korean customs, you can consider duck's creation. Orion, since you wanted tkl
Post by: ManicMatt1125 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 12:07:52
ah sorry for the mixup about KMAC's PCB. but nevermind the a.87 debate, i'm trying to ensure OP makes the most informed choice possible before committing to what seems to me like an expensive impulse buy. not that i'll lose sleep over his decision either wayLol, this has been a decision I have thought about for a while, but it is a somewhat impulse, uniformed choice. I learn best by touching and feeling, call me a kinistetic ( sc) learner, so my goal is to get something first, and learn the ins and outs of it later, if that makes any sense. I know what switch type I like, I know what layout I like, and yes I know the rest of the details are important but the differences between the two are something I have to experience as opposed to research.
Post by: whentheclouds on Sat, 31 January 2015, 12:17:26
Post by: demik on Sat, 31 January 2015, 12:22:40
Post by: Sygaldry on Sat, 31 January 2015, 12:39:44
Seriously.
I had a GON and a Duck but sold them because I liked the HHKB and RF87u better
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 31 January 2015, 12:56:29
as far as i know the koreans value it very highly, it's a very good PCB.
KMAC and GON are not a.87
they're both their own independent designs
Post by: ManicMatt1125 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 12:58:52
that's.. pretty strange, but whatever works for you. i mean you'll be getting a good board either way, i just thought that if you're striving for an endgame then it should be to your liking 100% rather than 95% or 90%. normally i wouldn't even advise anything, but i guess reading intelli78's post about un-hacking wallets has made me more compelled to see people spend their money wiselyYour concern is appreciated. But I am a weird dude with weird tendencies. I have not decided yet, I am still debating my options. Its all part of my process. Oh and speaking of strange, spending 500+ on a keyboard automatically puts one in that catagory
.
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 31 January 2015, 12:59:11
hhkb + rf 87uAll that shows is that you personally prefer Topre switches.
Seriously.
I had a GON and a Duck but sold them because I liked the HHKB and RF87u better
That is not an opinion shared by everyone.
It is just an opinion.
Post by: ManicMatt1125 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 12:59:57
hhkb + rf 87uYou mean the topre switch? Or the actual board design? Define "better" please
Seriously.
I had a GON and a Duck but sold them because I liked the HHKB and RF87u better
Post by: Dreamre on Sat, 31 January 2015, 16:35:28
Post by: feizor on Sat, 31 January 2015, 19:48:39
Think he means more the the switch feel rather than the design, although the HHKB has a classic design.hhkb + rf 87uYou mean the topre switch? Or the actual board design? Define "better" please
Seriously.
I had a GON and a Duck but sold them because I liked the HHKB and RF87u better
KMAC2 with GON PCB, that's what I have ;).That's a $600+ set up when you take into account assembly cost/time.
Better make sure you know exactly what features you need/want before splashing out.
Post by: Jokrik on Sat, 31 January 2015, 19:54:16
KMAC2 with GON PCB, that's what I have ;).
I was tempted to get that nerd pcb for my kmac, the features are amazing on that nerd pcb compare to the kmac one
But again I think what's make a kmac is also the pcb other than the case, that's what have been holding me back
So yeah, for the TS, find out your best switch combo first
I have to waste a kmac pcb since I've been switching in and out different blue switch combo,
now I settled with 68g gold blues and have to acquire new kmac pcb since the old one is so messed up from all the desoldering
Post by: Sygaldry on Sat, 31 January 2015, 20:37:14
hhkb + rf 87uAll that shows is that you personally prefer Topre switches.
Seriously.
I had a GON and a Duck but sold them because I liked the HHKB and RF87u better
That is not an opinion shared by everyone.
It is just an opinion.
hhkb + rf 87uYou mean the topre switch? Or the actual board design? Define "better" please
Seriously.
I had a GON and a Duck but sold them because I liked the HHKB and RF87u better
??????????
I didn't say one was better than the other. All I said was that I liked the HHKB and the RF87U better.
Big difference if read incorrectly.
I was expressly stating my opinion and never intended for it to be read as a fact.
If I'm not mistaken, both of you read my post as me stating that the HHKB and RF87U are better (which is not what I wrote - but if you really must, it is what I believe ;D).