Look at it!! Just look at it for god's sake!
Buy one and find out. ^-^QFT
They're not... most overrated board ever. Owned one for 3 months and got rid of the piece of ****. Worth nowhere near the price they want for it, and not even plate mounted. If you want to try Topre, go for the Leopold 660C. Better layout, and plate mounted.
HHKB layout sucks too, some people will claim it's "amazing" mainly due to the symmetry.
They're not... most overrated board ever. Owned one for 3 months and got rid of the piece of ****. Worth nowhere near the price they want for it, and not even plate mounted. If you want to try Topre, go for the Leopold 660C. Better layout, and plate mounted.
HHKB layout sucks too, some people will claim it's "amazing" mainly due to the symmetry.
or if he wants a "better" layout, he could just get himself an RF, not that half assed **** leopold came out with.
hell, even the HHKB Pro JP is a million times better than 660c.
maybe you just have ***** hands?
hhkb pro jp is ridiculously easy to learn.
except it's not pcb mount. it's case mounted.
competitive piano? proof, that **** sounds awesome. is it like break dancing but with pianos?
except it's not pcb mount. it's case mounted.
competitive piano? proof, that **** sounds awesome. is it like break dancing but with pianos?
Yea exactly. You break dance on the piano.
except it's not pcb mount. it's case mounted.
competitive piano? proof, that **** sounds awesome. is it like break dancing but with pianos?
lol hyped and overrated and you bring up the novatouch. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.
The Topre that can be expressed is not the eternal Topre; The HHKB that can be defined is not the unchanging HHKB.
The Topre that can be expressed is not the eternal Topre; The HHKB that can be defined is not the unchanging HHKB.(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/10/tim-and-eric-mind-blown.gif)
The Topre that can be expressed is not the eternal Topre; The HHKB that can be defined is not the unchanging HHKB.Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/10/tim-and-eric-mind-blown.gif)
This is why they're so phenomenal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization
This is why they're so phenomenal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization
This is why they're so phenomenal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization
but i got mine for free
anyway, people like them because they do.
same reason people like ergo clears, same people that fall for vintage blacks. it's what they like typing on. not every switch is for everyone, and nothing a person can say will make you believe it until you try it and find out for yourself.
This is why they're so phenomenal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization)
but i got mine for free
When i first bought the HHKB i didn't think too much for it. I thought it was okay but overpriced. I still believe it is overpriced but i have grown to really love it. I have tried numerous other Topre keyboards and the HHKB is my favorite by far. I only wish it was wireless and had dedicated arrow keys. Then it would be perfect!!!
Brah.The Topre that can be expressed is not the eternal Topre; The HHKB that can be defined is not the unchanging HHKB.Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/10/tim-and-eric-mind-blown.gif)
^^ Who is this guy? AND does he even have a HHKB??
Since my HHKB is actually ordered and on the way, I now have a justifiable reason to buy more Bro Caps. (Yes the procrastination is over)
and here i thought i could just enjoy a keyboard without being evaluated with some sort of syndrome.
This is why they're so phenomenal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization
but i got mine for free
This is why they're so phenomenal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization
but i got mine for free
You're welcome :P
Now someone buy me a HHKB so I can be a part of the master race! lol
This is why they're so phenomenal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization
but i got mine for free
You're welcome :P
Now someone buy me a HHKB so I can be a part of the master race! lol
I'm not a rich man, but I'd put $20 toward that goal. Now we just need 11-13 more at $20, depending on shipping.
This is why they're so phenomenal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization
but i got mine for free
You're welcome :P
Now someone buy me a HHKB so I can be a part of the master race! lol
I'm not a rich man, but I'd put $20 toward that goal. Now we just need 11-13 more at $20, depending on shipping.
Cheers nubbs and dembro but I don't think I could accept that, there are far more deserving people around here!
This is why they're so phenomenal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization
but i got mine for free
You're welcome :P
Now someone buy me a HHKB so I can be a part of the master race! lol
I'm not a rich man, but I'd put $20 toward that goal. Now we just need 11-13 more at $20, depending on shipping.
Cheers nubbs and dembro but I don't think I could accept that, there are far more deserving people around here!
SHUT UP AND TAKE IT, YOU KNOW YOU LIKE IT
possibly. but i bet none are niner fans. we gotta stick together bruh
Though i have a topre i reserve that for the weekends. My laptop chicklet keyboard is alot easier to type on when im on the couch(i dont feel like using my desktop on weekdays). Yes the blasphemy...Don't blame you. Most of the time I'm on GH it's on my tablet on the couch or in bed.
Look at it!! Just look at it for god's sake!
They're not.
They're not.
^This.
Plasticky feeling expensive rubber dome board.
Unusable arrow and edit key layout (that can't be reprogrammed). Fn key placement that overloads your right pinkie even more than a normal board. Slippery grip tabs that allow the board to move around when typed on.
No aftermarket keycap choices.
ABS spacebar.
Only one useful mod - can't change the switch feeling except by buying ANOTHER overpriced board and swapping domes.
Overpriced and overrated.
think my hhkb trolling does more damage to the hhkb team image than helps it.
although, i wonder who has listened to my trolling, bought it and actually thought "he was right!"
They're not.
^This.
Plasticky feeling expensive rubber dome board.
Unusable arrow and edit key layout (that can't be reprogrammed). Fn key placement that overloads your right pinkie even more than a normal board. Slippery grip tabs that allow the board to move around when typed on.
No aftermarket keycap choices.
ABS spacebar.
Only one useful mod - can't change the switch feeling except by buying ANOTHER overpriced board and swapping domes.
Overpriced and overrated.
HHKB is great keyb, small mobile topre happynator with smart layout.
Is worth the money tag? Hell no, but *****ing about its price compare to much more expensive useless stuff that is eating dust in my garage will sound hypocrite even to me.
If I'll need to choose only one, hhkb would win for sure.
Don't get me wrong, I just like topre feel, so have portable topre keyboard is just great idea imo, but my "favorite" device is and will be Code tkl with clears.
I'm not typing on it every day, my daily driver is hhkb (surprise, surprise), but when I back to mx clears after few days (weeks) of break, it just sounds like brutal fight with unknown man.
And after minutes I can hear voice of De Niro from Taxi Driver movie:
"Are you bottoming me?"Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vQMlnH3.png?1)
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Plasticky feeling expensive rubber dome board.
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I'm gonna listen to demilk's trolling and buy an hhkb
Meh, I sold my HHKB...
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so I could buy a Type-S. ;D
Topre Lovers = Apple FansUnless It's Demik, then everybody notusing HHKB is a waste of oxygen.
Topre Haters = Android Fans
Not saying that if you love Topre you have an iPhone and if you don't like Topre you have an Android phone, I'm just talking about behavior. In my experience Android fanatics will do whatever they can and take every opportunity to bash the iPhone and those who purchase them. Whereas most iPhone users don't feel the need to waste time and energy on bashing Android, because they realize that it's a decent phone, just not for them.
When the Topre war starts, it's almost always somebody coming in and harping on how overpriced and overrated it is, rarely (if ever) is it a Topre fan bashing on non-Topre switches.
Meh, I sold my HHKB...
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so I could buy a Type-S. ;D
^^ This guy knows whats up.
That tiny ass spacebar sucks. The enter key is huge and ISO style. The tiny gaps on the bottom row is awful design.
If that wasn't bad enough, the backspace key is only 1u, and difficult to reach as it's positioned way too far away.
so I could buy a Type-S. ;D
Topre Lovers = Apple Fans
Topre Haters = Android Fans
Not saying that if you love Topre you have an iPhone and if you don't like Topre you have an Android phone, I'm just talking about behavior. In my experience Android fanatics will do whatever they can and take every opportunity to bash the iPhone and those who purchase them. Whereas most iPhone users don't feel the need to waste time and energy on bashing Android, because they realize that it's a decent phone, just not for them.
When the Topre war starts, it's almost always somebody coming in and harping on how overpriced and overrated it is, rarely (if ever) is it a Topre fan bashing on non-Topre switches.
This is why they're so phenomenal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization)
Does the silenced version feel any different to the standard version? i'd love to have a silent hhkb, but i'm not willing to sacrifice any of the brilliant feeling
At this point, I've put more money into my Poker II than my HHKB; guess which one gets more use :)This is why they're so phenomenal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization)
Besides my beige IBM Model Ms sitting in a garage, my HHKB Pro JP is actually the least expensive board I've got here: I've got industrial Model Ms with fancy keycaps (so you need two keyboards to make one), a Cherry MX-5000 and a very nice prototype split /ergo white ALPS board which could very well sell for more than an HHKB if I were to sell it.
(and I paid my HHKBs kinda a cheap price: bought directly in Japan by a relative when the EUR was very high compared to the Yen and delivered for free)
So the argument "you paid a lot for it, so you think it's great" doesn't make much sense to me: my HHKB is the least expensive keyboard here. By that logic I should be using my Industrial Model M with white-on-black M13 keys or my MX-5000.
Simply doesn't follow. Moreover the HHKB keeps a high resale value: so anyone buying one and not liking it can simply resell it and not lose too much.
I think the HHKBs are simply freakin' great keyboards and that's why most people who try them never go back :)
Man, you really don't like me do you?Topre Lovers = Apple FansUnless It's Demik, then everybody notusing HHKB is a waste of oxygen.
Topre Haters = Android Fans
Not saying that if you love Topre you have an iPhone and if you don't like Topre you have an Android phone, I'm just talking about behavior. In my experience Android fanatics will do whatever they can and take every opportunity to bash the iPhone and those who purchase them. Whereas most iPhone users don't feel the need to waste time and energy on bashing Android, because they realize that it's a decent phone, just not for them.
When the Topre war starts, it's almost always somebody coming in and harping on how overpriced and overrated it is, rarely (if ever) is it a Topre fan bashing on non-Topre switches.
HHKB = the Apple sheeple of the keyboard world
HHKB = the Apple sheeple of the keyboard world
I think he's just slightly more aggressive with his posts than the average GH user.Man, you really don't like me do you?Topre Lovers = Apple FansUnless It's Demik, then everybody notusing HHKB is a waste of oxygen.
Topre Haters = Android Fans
Not saying that if you love Topre you have an iPhone and if you don't like Topre you have an Android phone, I'm just talking about behavior. In my experience Android fanatics will do whatever they can and take every opportunity to bash the iPhone and those who purchase them. Whereas most iPhone users don't feel the need to waste time and energy on bashing Android, because they realize that it's a decent phone, just not for them.
When the Topre war starts, it's almost always somebody coming in and harping on how overpriced and overrated it is, rarely (if ever) is it a Topre fan bashing on non-Topre switches.
Just because you drank the kool-aid doesn't mean the Novatouch is a crap board. Build quality is much better than HHKB, which must be the only board over $200 to not even include a metal plate.BTW. Kinesis Advantage also has a plastic "plate" where the switches are mounted. Plastic isn't worse than metal - just different.
Those who paid for it get the Stockholm syndrome.Wrongful analogy. HHKB users don't phone the police and complain about how the negotiations are being done when their Happy Hacking keyboards are holding them hostage ... because keyboards can't hold their users hostage.
Does the silenced version feel any different to the standard version? i'd love to have a silent hhkb, but i'm not willing to sacrifice any of the brilliant feeling
Got mine 248 shipped from PFU Direct while Tenso had their free shipping promotion going on. Would have paid the same price to get a non Type-S from EK.Does the silenced version feel any different to the standard version? i'd love to have a silent hhkb, but i'm not willing to sacrifice any of the brilliant feeling
I don't have my Type-S yet, but comparing a silenced Realforce 87U to a standard HHKB, there's not much difference in terms of feel. The silenced Topre switch is a bit softer on the upstroke due to the "landing pad," but it's not so great that you'd notice.
That being said, if you're happy with your standard HHKB, I'd say it's not worth the extra money to move to the Type-S.
To anyone who's interested in the Type-S, now is a great time to look into getting one. With the Yen weak against the US Dollar, Type-S boards are available from Amazon Japan for around $250 give or take. Even with proxy and shipping fees, you'll save a lot of money versus buying from fleBay or EliteKeyboards.
Got mine 248 shipped from PFU Direct while Tenso had their free shipping promotion going on. Would have paid the same price to get a non Type-S from EK.
Oh shoot. It must have gotten buried in my inbox, just saw it now :'( my bad!Got mine 248 shipped from PFU Direct while Tenso had their free shipping promotion going on. Would have paid the same price to get a non Type-S from EK.
There you go. By the way, did you get my PM regarding the Realforce keycaps you had posted about in the classifieds?
I just find it completely baffling that some people can't just go "Hey, I don't like the HHKB (Topre), but you do, and you are also willing to pay what it costs. That's cool and doesn't threaten or affect me in any way".
Why so many people feel the need to assert and project themselves on to others as if other people's choices somehow threaten their own sense of self.
I have nothing against you, you gucci to me man.Man, you really don't like me do you?Topre Lovers = Apple FansUnless It's Demik, then everybody notusing HHKB is a waste of oxygen.
Topre Haters = Android Fans
Not saying that if you love Topre you have an iPhone and if you don't like Topre you have an Android phone, I'm just talking about behavior. In my experience Android fanatics will do whatever they can and take every opportunity to bash the iPhone and those who purchase them. Whereas most iPhone users don't feel the need to waste time and energy on bashing Android, because they realize that it's a decent phone, just not for them.
When the Topre war starts, it's almost always somebody coming in and harping on how overpriced and overrated it is, rarely (if ever) is it a Topre fan bashing on non-Topre switches.
The title of the OP implies these boards to be intrinsically great, that motivates people who does not think the same to express their views. A title in the line of "why do you like the HHKB" would be a more balanced call for people to share their experiences. By the way, do you remember threads in the line of "why are MX boards so great"? That calls some controversy, so you are harvesting what you sow.
There are some facts about the HHKB that makes it a fine 60% board, for example the layout, that takes advantage of keys located at more intelligent places than the standard, like control, and backspace. Also, it splits the extremely long right shift and backspace to get three additional one unit spots. The empty spaces at the bottom look elegant.
However, it also has some compromises that does not keep its high end nature according with its price bracket. The ABS spacebar, its lack of programmability, The flimsy construction - here some like that its very light -
For keyboard aficionados like GH members the lack of alternative caps may be in detriment of customizability. Of course who needs extra caps if it comes with nice colored PBT ones. But again, we are a special bread of users, not the mainstream joe that keeps everything in stock form.
In any case calling something "so great" will give you some emotional responses.
It's hard for people like me who live nowhere near probably anyone who even owns one to try it out. People on the net either think it's the bees knees or totally over rated and not too many people in the middle. I'd love to try one and have come close to pulling the trigger on one a few times. All I really have is the option to buy, then if I don't like it sell it.
That is true for most of us I think, but you cannot really lose out. If you don't like it and resell it, you will have had a new experience of the hhkb layout and topre switches, and you won't lose too much money!
The title of the OP implies these boards to be intrinsically great, that motivates people who does not think the same to express their views. A title in the line of "why do you like the HHKB" would be a more balanced call for people to share their experiences. By the way, do you remember threads in the line of "why are MX boards so great"? That calls some controversy, so you are harvesting what you sow.
There are some facts about the HHKB that makes it a fine 60% board, for example the layout, that takes advantage of keys located at more intelligent places than the standard, like control, and backspace. Also, it splits the extremely long right shift and backspace to get three additional one unit spots. The empty spaces at the bottom look elegant.
However, it also has some compromises that does not keep its high end nature according with its price bracket. The ABS spacebar, its lack of programmability, The flimsy construction - here some like that its very light -
For keyboard aficionados like GH members the lack of alternative caps may be in detriment of customizability. Of course who needs extra caps if it comes with nice colored PBT ones. But again, we are a special bread of users, not the mainstream joe that keeps everything in stock form.
In any case calling something "so great" will give you some emotional responses.
I do see your point, should have gone for a more neutral title indeed. :-[
Personal preference really.
1 year with cherries: Plastic and loud
2 weeks with HHKB type-S: Smooth, silent and sturdy.
IMO Topres are what rubberdome keyboards should have been.
This is why they're so phenomenal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization
The title of the OP implies these boards to be intrinsically great, that motivates people who does not think the same to express their views. A title in the line of "why do you like the HHKB" would be a more balanced call for people to share their experiences. By the way, do you remember threads in the line of "why are MX boards so great"? That calls some controversy, so you are harvesting what you sow.
There are some facts about the HHKB that makes it a fine 60% board, for example the layout, that takes advantage of keys located at more intelligent places than the standard, like control, and backspace. Also, it splits the extremely long right shift and backspace to get three additional one unit spots. The empty spaces at the bottom look elegant.
However, it also has some compromises that does not keep its high end nature according with its price bracket. The ABS spacebar, its lack of programmability, The flimsy construction - here some like that its very light -
For keyboard aficionados like GH members the lack of alternative caps may be in detriment of customizability. Of course who needs extra caps if it comes with nice colored PBT ones. But again, we are a special bread of users, not the mainstream joe that keeps everything in stock form.
In any case calling something "so great" will give you some emotional responses.
Unusable arrow and edit key layout (that can't be reprogrammed).It's not that hard, and you move your hand less far than you do for dedicated arrow keys.
Fn key placement that overloads your right pinkie even more than a normal board. Slippery grip tabs that allow the board to move around when typed on.To each his/her own I guess. Isn't any 60% board going to require a lot of use of some kind of FN layer though? I'd be interested to hear the counterpoint on this, actually. I'm not having too much trouble adjusting so far, and I'm only a couple weeks into using this thing regularly.
No aftermarket keycap choices.I wouldn't mind a few color options for modifiers, but yeah, this isn't the board for you if you're into blowing a fortune on changing your keys on a whim. The idea is it comes with nice, functional keycaps out of the box and you use those. Definitely not a great keyboard for a hobbyist -- more for, you know, just typing on it.
ABS spacebar.I'm always surprised people care so much about this. When it starts to (gasp) show signs of wear, you could always buy a replacement using some of the $ you've not been blowing on replacing the keys every time a new group buy comes up or whatever :)
Only one useful mod - can't change the switch feeling except by buying ANOTHER overpriced board and swapping domes.Again, not a keyboard for hobbyists. I personally love the way the switches feel and would rather just type than spend my time ****ing around with switches.
They're not... most overrated board ever. Owned one for 3 months and got rid of the piece of ****. Worth nowhere near the price they want for it, and not even plate mounted. PCB mounted MX keyboards get hate on, yet nobody says the same for HHKB due to the hype. If you want to try Topre, go for the Leopold 660C. Better layout, and plate mounted. Feels so much better.
HHKB layout sucks too, some people will claim it's "amazing" mainly due to the symmetry.
I would point out that the promotion of the CTRL key doesn't do a whole lot for Mac users. It doesn't mess anything up, and I don't miss Caps Lock, the the CTRL key just doesn't have the same significance on the Mac, at least not in the general applications I use anyway -- it's all about the CMD key.
I would point out that the promotion of the CTRL key doesn't do a whole lot for Mac users. It doesn't mess anything up, and I don't miss Caps Lock, the the CTRL key just doesn't have the same significance on the Mac, at least not in the general applications I use anyway -- it's all about the CMD key.
Real hackers use windows duh
I would point out that the promotion of the CTRL key doesn't do a whole lot for Mac users. It doesn't mess anything up, and I don't miss Caps Lock, the the CTRL key just doesn't have the same significance on the Mac, at least not in the general applications I use anyway -- it's all about the CMD key.
Real hackers use windows duh
real hackers dont own computers, they just use other's computers to not get hackedShow Image(http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/06/GIF-Hacker.gif)
Let's be honest. The HHKB is a great keyboard.
The title of the OP implies these boards to be intrinsically great, that motivates people who does not think the same to express their views. A title in the line of "why do you like the HHKB" would be a more balanced call for people to share their experiences. By the way, do you remember threads in the line of "why are MX boards so great"? That calls some controversy, so you are harvesting what you sow.
There are some facts about the HHKB that makes it a fine 60% board, for example the layout, that takes advantage of keys located at more intelligent places than the standard, like control, and backspace. Also, it splits the extremely long right shift and backspace to get three additional one unit spots. The empty spaces at the bottom look elegant.
However, it also has some compromises that does not keep its high end nature according with its price bracket. The ABS spacebar, its lack of programmability, The flimsy construction - here some like that its very light -
For keyboard aficionados like GH members the lack of alternative caps may be in detriment of customizability. Of course who needs extra caps if it comes with nice colored PBT ones. But again, we are a special bread of users, not the mainstream joe that keeps everything in stock form.
In any case calling something "so great" will give you some emotional responses.
I love Topre 45g. switches to start off with. The reason I enjoy HHKBs is mainly because of the size! Theyre so adorable!
Real hackers use windows duhOh no. Does this mean... my career as a hacker is not going to work out?? I guess I'll send back this keyboard, vape pen and leather trenchcoat
I just find it completely baffling that some people can't just go "Hey, I don't like the HHKB (Topre), but you do, and you are also willing to pay what it costs. That's cool and doesn't threaten or affect me in any way".Well ...
I just find it completely baffling that some people can't just go "Hey, I don't like the HHKB (Topre), but you do, and you are also willing to pay what it costs. That's cool and doesn't threaten or affect me in any way".Well ...
I don't like the HHKB (any kind), I don't like tenkeyless and tiny form factor keyboards in general. But some of you do, and you think the HHKB is worth paying for. That's cool and doesn't threaten or affect me in any way. Except that I have more keys than you do, nyaa-nyaa-nyaa! :p
This is another thread sponsored by the "HHKB Buyers-Remorse Sufferers Support Group".
I'm a programmer, and my HHKB has every key I need :D
I'm a programmer, and my HHKB has every key I need :D
Except a PBT spacebar :)...