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Title: gray vs clear
Post by: Jixr on Sun, 08 February 2015, 21:34:21
I'm a bit confused and looking for an answer.


Is the mx gray ( tactile ) stem the same as clears or browns?
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Synjin on Sun, 08 February 2015, 21:34:45
Same as clears with a heavier spring.
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Sun, 08 February 2015, 21:41:08
Same as clears with a heavier spring.

there are tactile greys and linear greys
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Synjin on Sun, 08 February 2015, 21:41:48
Thought ilhe was asking specifically about the tactiles.
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 08 February 2015, 21:43:11
Same as clears with a heavier spring.

there are tactile greys and linear greys

Yes there are.  In either case, greys are heavier than Clears, be they linear or tactile. 
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 08 February 2015, 21:44:30
Same as clears with a heavier spring.

there are tactile greys and linear greys
OP specified tactile greys. So yes, the same
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Sun, 08 February 2015, 21:48:55
Same as clears with a heavier spring.

there are tactile greys and linear greys
OP specified tactile greys. So yes, the same

derp

how did i miss that...
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: rand77 on Sun, 08 February 2015, 22:42:06
Just some observations from my switch tester.  The gray feels MUCH heavier due to the heavier spring.

As others said, it seems to be the same mold ( and hence shape) for the slider.   The difference is in the spring and color of plastic for the stem.
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: spiritistz on Tue, 10 February 2015, 09:36:32
From heaviest:

Grey > Clear > Brown
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Bromono on Tue, 10 February 2015, 11:48:37
From heaviest:

Grey > Clear > Brown

Why do ergo clears feel so much better then browns then X|
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 10 February 2015, 11:53:17
I believe that the location of the tactile bump is different. Definitely gritty compared to the clears.
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 10 February 2015, 11:54:59
I believe that the location of the tactile bump is different. Definitely gritty compared to the clears.

not location, size

browns have a very slight tactile bump, where as clears/greys have a much more pronounced bump
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Bromono on Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:01:13
I believe that the location of the tactile bump is different. Definitely gritty compared to the clears.

not location, size

browns have a very slight tactile bump, where as clears/greys have a much more pronounced bump

So there is potential for ergo greys then?
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:01:52
I believe that the location of the tactile bump is different. Definitely gritty compared to the clears.

not location, size

browns have a very slight tactile bump, where as clears/greys have a much more pronounced bump

So there is potential for ergo greys then?

greys and clears have identical stems, just different colors

so yes
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:01:56
Yeah but most people agree that the bump feels gritty and scratchy.
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:02:48
I should stop talking. I don't know what I'm talking about now.
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 11 February 2015, 03:46:55
I believe that the location of the tactile bump is different. Definitely gritty compared to the clears.

not location, size

browns have a very slight tactile bump, where as clears/greys have a much more pronounced bump

So there is potential for ergo greys then?

Ergo greys = ErgoClears, assuming it's the tactile greys. Same slider mold, same big tactile bump. Great feeling switch :)

The bump doesn't necessarily feel gritty or scratchy. The sliders of all modern MX switches are scratchy when new. They need to be worn in and this goes away. Some compare the tactile bump on browns to there being a grain of rice in a Red switch and some are a lot harsher with their description of how they feel and say it feels like a dirty / scratchy Red switch.

In general, stronger springs make the bump feel smaller, lighter make it feel bigger. It's really just a reduction in relative tactility due to the ratios of forces, but the result is they feel more tactile with lighter springs.
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: Anole on Wed, 11 February 2015, 19:05:15
Super blacks > Blacks
Grays > Clears
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 11 February 2015, 19:09:35
I've got a big pack of greys that I want to put into my KC108 but I need someone to solder them in for me :(

I really want to try them.
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 11 February 2015, 19:10:28
Super blacks > Blacks
Grays > Clears
You can't really type on super blacks.

Grays are heavy but usable.
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 11 February 2015, 19:18:09
I've got a big pack of greys that I want to put into my KC108 but I need someone to solder them in for me :(

I really want to try them.
Is Britbong anywhere near England?
Title: Re: gray vs clear
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 11 February 2015, 19:19:21
I've got a big pack of greys that I want to put into my KC108 but I need someone to solder them in for me :(

I really want to try them.
Is Britbong anywhere near England?

It is very near England :)