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Title: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Cheese! on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:12:19
Just got my HHKB and it feels like I am typing on the lubed up feathers of swans. Why all the hate?
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:13:49
Quote from: Cheese! on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:12:19
Just got my HHKB and it feels like I am typing on the lubed up feathers of swans. Why all the hate?

Because they are rubber domes over capacitive PCB. But still rubber domes. That's why. I love my HHKBs though. :)
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: derb2k2 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:22:31
doesn't feel like rubber dome to me! Or did I convince myself of that after some time?

Topre is awesome though!
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: strict on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:22:35
#thorpe3lyfe
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Cheese! on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:23:29
Quote from: derb2k2 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:22:31
doesn't feel like rubber dome to me! Or did I convince myself of that after some time?

Topre is awesome though!

I just close my eyes and go "clack clack clack"
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Cheese! on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:24:36
Quote from: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:13:49
Quote from: Cheese! on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:12:19
Just got my HHKB and it feels like I am typing on the lubed up feathers of swans. Why all the hate?

Because they are rubber domes over capacitive PCB. But still rubber domes. That's why. I love my HHKBs though. :)

So, generally speaking, they are the exception that proves the rule that rubber domes are, by and large, mush?
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:47:39
Greens. And clears. Currently.

But I am waiting to try tactile greys. I am excited.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:00:30
Weird, I guess they reclassified MX blues as Topre.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:03:21
Quote from: Cheese! on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:12:19
Why all the hate?
I don't hate it. It is just not my favourite. I would like more tactility and not - in real typing - be forced to bottom out. Typing for a long time on Topre hurts my fingers.
Maybe replacing the domes with some more tactile ones and adding a light coiled spring to each key (like the Topre has on the space bar) would make it the perfect switch.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:05:02
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:00:30
Weird, I guess they reclassified MX blues as Topre.

Why can't I place who your avatar is...
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: slickmamba on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:07:04
Demik told me so. 
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: demik on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:07:27
Quote from: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:05:02
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:00:30
Weird, I guess they reclassified MX blues as Topre.

Why can't I place who your avatar is...

porn star

also, i kinda like topre.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: BrewCaps on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:08:34
But they do not click!  :-*
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:09:55
Quote from: demik on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:07:27
Quote from: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:05:02
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:00:30
Weird, I guess they reclassified MX blues as Topre.

Why can't I place who your avatar is...

porn star

also, i kinda like topre.

****s sake.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: demik on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:11:17
Quote from: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:09:55
Quote from: demik on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:07:27
Quote from: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:05:02
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:00:30
Weird, I guess they reclassified MX blues as Topre.

Why can't I place who your avatar is...

porn star

also, i kinda like topre.

****s sake.

yeah, that's his job.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Doyniish on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:21:57
Quote from: demik on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:07:27
Quote from: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:05:02
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:00:30
Weird, I guess they reclassified MX blues as Topre.

Why can't I place who your avatar is...

porn star

also, i kinda like topre.

I feel like he has had several porn stars as his avatars. Brazzers bro's.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:22:20
Wasn't it determined long ago that Topre and IBM do not use "switches"?
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Sygaldry on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:24:12
Quote from: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:13:49
Quote from: Cheese! on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:12:19
Just got my HHKB and it feels like I am typing on the lubed up feathers of swans. Why all the hate?
But still rubber domes.

Ain't no thang
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:25:22
Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:22:20
Wasn't it determined long ago that Topre and IBM do not use "switches"?

Well, there is definitely an electrical switching happening. And it's mechanical action that causes it. So I suppose by a loose definition, you could classify them as "mechanical" with "switches." But strictly speaking, those are not what most consider to be "switches."
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:27:00
Quote from: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:25:22
Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:22:20
Wasn't it determined long ago that Topre and IBM do not use "switches"?

Well, there is definitely an electrical switching happening. And it's mechanical action that causes it. So I suppose by a loose definition, you could classify them as "mechanical" with "switches." But strictly speaking, those are not what most consider to be "switches."
Yeah I think the consensus was that while mechanical, they weren't really switches
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: demik on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:28:20
Quote from: Doyniish on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:21:57
Quote from: demik on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:07:27
Quote from: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:05:02
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:00:30
Weird, I guess they reclassified MX blues as Topre.

Why can't I place who your avatar is...

porn star

also, i kinda like topre.

I feel like he has had several porn stars as his avatars. Brazzers bro's.

hwood so rebel he clicks says im over 18, while clearly not being over 18.

THUG LIFE.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:31:12
Quote from: demik on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:28:20
Quote from: Doyniish on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:21:57
Quote from: demik on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:07:27
Quote from: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:05:02
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:00:30
Weird, I guess they reclassified MX blues as Topre.

Why can't I place who your avatar is...

porn star

also, i kinda like topre.

I feel like he has had several porn stars as his avatars. Brazzers bro's.

hwood so rebel he clicks says im over 18, while clearly not being over 18.

THUG LIFE.
pretty much

Quote from: Doyniish on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:21:57
Quote from: demik on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:07:27
Quote from: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:05:02
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:00:30
Weird, I guess they reclassified MX blues as Topre.

Why can't I place who your avatar is...

porn star

also, i kinda like topre.

I feel like he has had several porn stars as his avatars. Brazzers bro's.
the only other was the last one: based johnny sins
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:41:41
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:31:12
the only other was the last one: based johnny sins

Yeah as soon as demik said he was a porn star, I knew the last one was as well.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:43:56
Quote from: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:41:41
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:31:12
the only other was the last one: based johnny sins

Yeah as soon as demik said he was a porn star, I knew the last one was as well.
(http://www.lanacion.cl/noticias/site/artic/20130219/imag/foto_0000001020130219111213.jpg)
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:44:22
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:27:00

Yeah I think the consensus was that while mechanical, they weren't really switches


Wait, what?

I thought that while they might be switches, they weren't really mechanical .....
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: supersoul on Fri, 13 February 2015, 00:13:45
haven't had the chance to try topre no keyboards in 75% (that i know of)
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 13 February 2015, 00:15:39
I like silenced topre.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 13 February 2015, 01:22:14
I like 62g ErgoClears, but I'm willing to give Topre another chance with a Novatouch and SA keycaps (when I win the lottery or something). I've read that combination is very nice. Probably go with spicebar's silencing mod and maybe 55g domes (and suddenly the price skyrockets even further).

They at least solve one of the biggest flaws of membrane rubber dome boards, the actuation point is not at bottom out, so you don't have to pound on them to make sure they actuate which is much better for your fingers wrists and hands long term health. And the feeling is somewhat different despite the characteristic S-shaped force curve all rubber domes have, partly due to the capacitive sensing spring.

Still a rubber dome, though, and way overpriced. They use a sheet of rubber and some springs instead of individually manufactured switches, they have simpler construction, etc. all of which makes them cheaper to manufacture than a board that has individual mechanical switches and yet they still charge you a massive premium. Great that Noppoo at least are starting to make some similar boards, so maybe we'll see the end of the monopoly, a little bit of healthy competition and lower prices... Maybe.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Fragil1ty on Fri, 13 February 2015, 01:35:16
Quote from: Cheese! on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:12:19
Just got my HHKB and it feels like I am typing on the lubed up feathers of swans. Why all the hate?

I think you misspelt Cherry MX Red, that's okay though, we all make mistakes.

(Referring to the title though of course).
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: daerid on Fri, 13 February 2015, 02:52:46
Favorite switch? 55g Topre, probably, although stock clears w/ the Vortex PBT Doubleshots, on a dampening surface (towel, mousepad, etc) is running a close second.

Although the fact that it takes such a specific combination to achieve awesomeness on the Clears... yeah, gotta give it to the 55g Topre.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Cheese! on Fri, 13 February 2015, 06:21:13
Quote from: BrewCaps on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:08:34
But they do not click!  :-*

This is true but they squish in such a satisfying way...
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 13 February 2015, 06:29:08
The OP spelled Alps wrong :(.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Nover on Fri, 13 February 2015, 06:35:08
Haven't had the opportunity to try a beam spring board yet, therefore buckling spring remains my favorite. Blue alps, vintage (pre '90) blacks, KPT, Topre 55g, Mitsumi Miniature are some of the other switches that feel good to me, no particular order.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: skuko on Fri, 13 February 2015, 06:40:19
45g topre in the leo fc660c, there, i said it.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Cheese! on Fri, 13 February 2015, 06:42:14
Quote from: CPTBadAss on Fri, 13 February 2015, 06:29:08
The OP spelled Alps wrong :(.

My dyslexia can be pretty bad sometimes, I am so sorry ):
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Cheese! on Fri, 13 February 2015, 06:42:50
Quote from: skuko on Fri, 13 February 2015, 06:40:19
45g topre in the leo fc660c, there, i said it.

It's okay, you are with friends here...let is all out
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: spale on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:08:06
55g Topre is my favorite switch, and I am using it atm on my Realforce keyboard. :thumb:
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Cheese! on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:11:16
Quote from: spale on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:08:06
55g Topre is my favorite switch, and I am using it atm on my Realforce keyboard. :thumb:

Beautiful choice  ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Moralless on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:23:35
Two words: Force curve
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Cheese! on Fri, 13 February 2015, 09:34:49
Quote from: Moralless on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:23:35
Two words: Force curve

I am pretty brand new to Mech keyboards but thanks for bringing those 2 words to my attention. Just spent 20 minutes gazing at graphs, wrapping my head around different forces and how different switches respond. Interesting stuff for a beginner.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Touch_It on Fri, 13 February 2015, 09:49:41
Capacitive buckling spring master race reporting in.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Snowdog993 on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:01:46
Quote from: Touch_It on Fri, 13 February 2015, 09:49:41
Capacitive buckling spring master race reporting in.

Yeah, it seems there are some topics out here that warp opinion one way or another.  A lot of people talk about this or that kind of switch like it's the best switch around.  However it works, as long as it works.  It's really strange and I would guess that a lot of users here have never experienced buckling spring switches at all.  Shame.  I could say any switch is my favorite as an example, but not twist opinion one way or another with the topic.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Data on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:05:18
Hall Effect Superior Entity registering my compliance with thread directive.

Never used HE but I'd sure like to.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Cheese! on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:25:09
Quote from: Snowdog993 on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:01:46
Quote from: Touch_It on Fri, 13 February 2015, 09:49:41
Capacitive buckling spring master race reporting in.

Yeah, it seems there are some topics out here that warp opinion one way or another.  A lot of people talk about this or that kind of switch like it's the best switch around.  However it works, as long as it works.  It's really strange and I would guess that a lot of users here have never experienced buckling spring switches at all.  Shame.  I could say any switch is my favorite as an example, but not twist opinion one way or another with the topic.

I have to put my hands up and say I have never had the pleasure. The post title was jokey, and not to be taken seriously as I totally understand everybody is different, and not everybody appreciates things in the same way. I would one day love to get my hands on a BS board and clack away, but I have to save up my pennies.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: saturnotaku on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:52:13
Quote from: Cheese! on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:12:19
Just got my HHKB and it feels like I am typing on the lubed up feathers of swans. Why all the hate?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/coverdog/aw_jeez.jpg)
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:53:48
Quote from: saturnotaku on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:52:13
Quote from: Cheese! on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:12:19
Just got my HHKB and it feels like I am typing on the lubed up feathers of swans. Why all the hate?

Show Image
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/coverdog/aw_jeez.jpg)


Lel.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Cheese! on Fri, 13 February 2015, 11:00:14
Quote from: saturnotaku on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:52:13
Quote from: Cheese! on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:12:19
Just got my HHKB and it feels like I am typing on the lubed up feathers of swans. Why all the hate?

Show Image
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/coverdog/aw_jeez.jpg)


 :(
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Doyniish on Fri, 13 February 2015, 12:35:38
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:43:56
Quote from: katushkin on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:41:41
Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 19:31:12
the only other was the last one: based johnny sins

Yeah as soon as demik said he was a porn star, I knew the last one was as well.
Show Image
(http://www.lanacion.cl/noticias/site/artic/20130219/imag/foto_0000001020130219111213.jpg)


My idol!
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Touch_It on Fri, 13 February 2015, 12:50:16
Some day I would at least like to try a topre, or maybe own one.  Price seems crazy though when I already am in love with BS and forked out some massive money for them.
Title: Re: What's your favorite switch and why is it topre?
Post by: Cheese! on Fri, 13 February 2015, 13:00:22
Quote from: Touch_It on Fri, 13 February 2015, 12:50:16
Some day I would at least like to try a topre, or maybe own one.  Price seems crazy though when I already am in love with BS and forked out some massive money for them.

One day I will own all the switches. I may not have a home or enough money to eat but god damn it I will know how good BS feels.