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Title: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Novus on Wed, 18 February 2015, 16:45:39
Linear switch lovers - I feel like we are in a minority here sometimes. 

Show your appreciation for linear switches.

Also while you are here do you tend to prefer light switches like MX red or something stiffer like MX Black or MX grey linear? For either typing, gaming or both.





Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Sygaldry on Wed, 18 February 2015, 16:48:16
Checking in.
I only have Reds ATM but my Duck Viper with 55g Vintage Blacks was the second most orgasmic typing feel ever. Second to Topre.

I also have 110 Gateron Clears with 62g gold springs ready to be slapped on a future build.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 18 February 2015, 16:53:51
Complicated SKCM Green Alps
Hall Effect
Gateron Black
Nixdorfs
65g MX Linear (I prefer MX Black stems 'cause I like the look.)


I like all these linear switches :D.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: ablooga on Wed, 18 February 2015, 16:56:02
What are gaterons?
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: azhdar on Wed, 18 February 2015, 16:58:31
Reporting in, so far tried:
-mx red (too light don't like)
-stock black (slightly too heavy and scratchy)
-broken in black(smoother still slightly too heavy)
- gateron clear  (way too light, unusable)
- gateron blacks (almost perfect stock)

Got gaterons clears on the way with 62,65,68 springs, I'm searching for my sweet point, I think 68 or 65 will be the perfect switch for me.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Sygaldry on Wed, 18 February 2015, 17:02:14
Reporting in, so far tried:
-mx red (too light don't like)
-stock black (slightly too heavy and scratchy)
-broken in black(smoother still slightly too heavy)
- gateron clear  (way too light, unusable)
- gateron blacks (almost perfect stock)

Got gaterons clears on the way with 62,65,68 springs, I'm searching for my sweet point, I think 68 or 65 will be the perfect switch for me.
If you want something between Reds and Blacks, you'll want the 62 or 65g springs. I believe 68 is the same if not slightly heavier than Blacks (I could be wrong)
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Merranza on Wed, 18 February 2015, 17:05:24
Ah, a place for me :)

K70 RGB with MX Reds here  :thumb: Haven't had the opportunity to try blacks or any other kind of linear switches but I'm really enjoying my reds for now.

Tried Browns before and something was really telling me it wasn't right. Maybe I would have gotten used to it but I'm glad for now I switched to Reds.

(Not the best picture, I need to take some better ones :))

(http://i.imgur.com/Izs5VKb.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/IEGdlQc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ISCGBvC.jpg)
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 18 February 2015, 17:06:00
What are gaterons?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68943.0
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: azhdar on Wed, 18 February 2015, 17:06:20
Reporting in, so far tried:
-mx red (too light don't like)
-stock black (slightly too heavy and scratchy)
-broken in black(smoother still slightly too heavy)
- gateron clear  (way too light, unusable)
- gateron blacks (almost perfect stock)

Got gaterons clears on the way with 62,65,68 springs, I'm searching for my sweet point, I think 68 or 65 will be the perfect switch for me.
If you want something between Reds and Blacks, you'll want the 62 or 65g springs. I believe 68 is the same if not slightly heavier than Blacks (I could be wrong)
I'm looking to something very slightly lighter than broken in blacks, Gateron blacks might just be perfect for me, just got to use them for a while to be sure.
But according to those threads:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46449.0
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0

68g should still be lighter than blacks.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Novus on Wed, 18 February 2015, 17:06:44
What are gaterons?

They're Korean (I think?) MX cherry clones with a few differences.
Well nvm somebody already posted.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 18 February 2015, 17:13:13
I'm on der' ghetto-reds..     I think I'd like to switch to blues eventually.. when one of them budget blue boards comes up on sale.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Sygaldry on Wed, 18 February 2015, 17:28:25
What are gaterons?

They're Korean (I think?) MX cherry clones with a few differences.
Well nvm somebody already posted.
Taiwanese company, made in Chinese factories I believe.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: eyesmiles on Wed, 18 February 2015, 18:36:13
- lubed 68g MX Dark Greys - because Red and Black are common stems and use a stock lubed MX Black for the spacebar (favorite linear combination)
- worn in stock MX Blacks

looking forward to trying some Gaterons
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: demik on Wed, 18 February 2015, 18:47:32
25g MX 1933 vintage blacks
astroglide lube
10mm custom switch stickers

praise be thy linear
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Novus on Thu, 19 February 2015, 16:32:17
You know I dislike how kailh Reds don't feel great
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 19 February 2015, 16:33:05
25g MX 1933 vintage blacks
astroglide lube
10mm custom switch stickers

praise be thy linear
Sounds like a slippery good time demik, when will my invitation be sent?
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 19 February 2015, 16:45:44
While I wouldn't say I'm a full on lover, I've definitely taken a liking to the 62g MX black in my b87
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: wyatt8740 on Thu, 19 February 2015, 16:49:53
Can one convert an Alps black into a linear switch? I'd like to try one but don't want to spend a buck.

From what I can gather, a linear sounds nice. Since it's not 'exponential' increasing in force as you press down.

25g MX 1933 vintage blacks
Wow, didn't know Cherry existed in 1933!

(guessing you meant '93?)
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 20 February 2015, 02:38:38
Can one convert an Alps black into a linear switch? I'd like to try one but don't want to spend a buck.

From what I can gather, a linear sounds nice. Since it's not 'exponential' increasing in force as you press down.

25g MX 1933 vintage blacks
Wow, didn't know Cherry existed in 1933!

(guessing you meant '93?)

Yeah , and he mistyped the '6' as a '2' also... I guess he must have been using the HHKB to type it.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: byker on Fri, 20 February 2015, 02:41:42
I love linear! MX blacks are my favourite MX switches so far.. Excited to try the older/vintage blacks I have in the mail, and hopefully a nixdorf and gateron one day! See how they compare to my topre.  8)
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Novus on Fri, 20 February 2015, 03:09:02
Should I get MX black or MX Linear Grey.
HRM
Decisions, decision.
First purchase this year on GH.
Oh I'm an MX Red Lover  :p
Gimme yer rundown.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: klikkyklik on Fri, 20 February 2015, 09:15:46
Can one convert an Alps black into a linear switch? I'd like to try one but don't want to spend a buck.

Yes.  I wasn't super-pleased with the results, but it was an interesting experiment.  It's still fun to pull the board out once in a while, so I keep it in my rotation.

https://klikkyklik.wordpress.com/2015/02/04/leafless-alps/

Anyway, I like red MX in my K70 and would love to try Alps linear green sometime.  I didn't care for vintage MX blacks (too stiff).
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Tyrosh22 on Fri, 20 February 2015, 09:31:41
I love reds for gaming. WASD movement feels so smooth.  :)
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: flaming_june on Fri, 20 February 2015, 09:49:21
Boooooo

You guys are deviants of society!  You're the reason why there's natural disasters!

Though I do prefer blacks with o rings for gaming.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 20 February 2015, 09:52:54
65g lubed MX Black
Stock MX Black
Stock MX Red

Will see how those Gateron Blacks stack up once they arrive. :)
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: azhdar on Fri, 20 February 2015, 09:57:09
65g lubed MX Black
Stock MX Black
Stock MX Red

Will see how those Gateron Blacks stack up once they arrive. :)
If "65g lubed MX Black" is your favorite linear for the moment, I think Gateron blacks might steal this spot  :thumb:
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 20 February 2015, 09:59:50
65g lubed MX Black
Stock MX Black
Stock MX Red

Will see how those Gateron Blacks stack up once they arrive. :)
If "65g lubed MX Black" is your favorite linear for the moment, I think Gateron blacks might steal this spot  :thumb:

We shall see. I certainly hope so, anyway. I have some arriving from Taobao today, so I can test them this weekend. If they steal my top spot, well, I will be ordering a bunch more from hwood's GB. It would definitely make my life easier not having to spring swap and lube every time. :)
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Firebolt1914 on Fri, 20 February 2015, 10:01:53
I currently don't have a linear board, but I do have my hall effect keyboard. It's the smoothest, buttery-est keyboard that I've ever typed on, and I don't mind the 78g keys: they feel perfect.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 20 February 2015, 10:55:45
Lubed 62g Gaterons clears are love...

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68061.0
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Data on Fri, 20 February 2015, 12:11:01
Stock MX Reds AND Blacks going into my Octagon build this weekend.   :P
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Defect on Fri, 20 February 2015, 16:35:31
Broken in and lubed ghost blacks.

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Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: davkol on Sat, 21 February 2015, 06:23:47
#cloudofboobs

Vintage MX Black with thick keycaps in a vintage Cherry G80. I've never used anything that would come even close to that in terms of smoothness, although some vintage switches may compete after proper lubrication; in particular, I mean Oki Gourd Spring, Tesla spring-over-membrane or perhaps the usual contestants, such as ALPS SKCL Green, space invaders and older stuff. Gaterons and linear Matias switches sound intriguing as well.

I can't stress enough, how much thick keycaps help with smoothness.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: jacobolus on Sat, 21 February 2015, 06:26:47
Vintage MX Black with thick keycaps in a vintage Cherry G80. I've never used anything that would come even close to that in terms of smoothness, although some vintage switches may compete after proper lubrication; in particular, I mean Oki Gourd Spring, Tesla spring-over-membrane or perhaps the usual contestants, such as ALPS SKCL Green, space invaders and older stuff.
Unlubed, both green Alps and white space invaders are smoother than “vintage” MX black. If all three were lubed, I think it would be hard to distinguish them in terms of smoothness.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: munch on Sat, 21 February 2015, 06:56:02
worn-in MX Black are current favourites by a good margin. lubed up and 65g springs with stickers (just to eliminate any wobble-chances) is what I plan to do.
not averse to MX Red but I do find myself clumsily pressing them when just resting hands on the keyboard. a bit too light.

looking for Alps SKCL greens to try, but scared I will like them more than my wyse blacks :(
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: davkol on Sat, 21 February 2015, 06:56:37
I can't help but agree to disagree. It's probably affected by keycaps though... like my 2012 QFR has gone from awful to okay after just replacing stock caps by Vortex doubleshots. Speaking of that, are there any actually thick and heavy keycaps for Alps mount? Alps Bigfoot and Apple Extended sets aren't bad, but not great either.

(BTW the green mitsumi, cough.)
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: azhdar on Sat, 21 February 2015, 07:10:55
65 g gateron clears

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dstfp.gif)
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: aref on Sat, 21 February 2015, 09:05:02
Switches of choice are Cherry MX linear and Topre's 55-gram. I know Topre isn't linear, but the tactility of the switch is really subtle when the rubber dome collapses under each key strike. I'm using an MX Red Corsair K65 and an RF 87UB/55g. Recently tried an MX Black, yet again; I like the heavier down-force, but the new MX Black switches aren't as smooth as older ones. I'd like to see Cherry come out with a 55-gram linear switch. I like the smooth 'ride' of a linear switch; and the same for the 55g Topres.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 21 February 2015, 09:08:46
I'd like to see Cherry come out with a 55-gram linear switch.

What you want are called 'Gateron Blacks.'
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: morpheus on Sat, 21 February 2015, 10:13:20
Reporting in, so far tried:
-mx red (too light don't like)
-stock black (slightly too heavy and scratchy)
-broken in black(smoother still slightly too heavy)
- gateron clear  (way too light, unusable)
- gateron blacks (almost perfect stock)

Got gaterons clears on the way with 62,65,68 springs, I'm searching for my sweet point, I think 68 or 65 will be the perfect switch for me.

Checking in. I like MX Blacks.
Just curious, are there any TKL keyboards out there that come preloaded with Gateron Blacks?
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: azhdar on Sat, 21 February 2015, 10:17:02
Reporting in, so far tried:
-mx red (too light don't like)
-stock black (slightly too heavy and scratchy)
-broken in black(smoother still slightly too heavy)
- gateron clear  (way too light, unusable)
- gateron blacks (almost perfect stock)

Got gaterons clears on the way with 62,65,68 springs, I'm searching for my sweet point, I think 68 or 65 will be the perfect switch for me.

Checking in. I like MX Blacks.
Just curious, are there any TKL keyboards out there that come preloaded with Gateron Blacks?

No keyboards has been found with stock gaterons yet.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: aref on Sat, 21 February 2015, 10:30:57
I'd like to see Cherry come out with a 55-gram linear switch.

What you want are called 'Gateron Blacks.'

I'll have to look for them. I did a quick search but couldn't find a seller for them. Are they available as switches only or is there a keyboard with Gateron blacks?
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: azhdar on Sat, 21 February 2015, 10:32:41
I'd like to see Cherry come out with a 55-gram linear switch.

What you want are called 'Gateron Blacks.'

I'll have to look for them. I did a quick search but couldn't find a seller for them. Are they available as switches only or is there a keyboard with Gateron blacks?
A group buy is happening, Gaterons are #Hype at the moment
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68943.0

Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 21 February 2015, 10:35:16
I'd like to see Cherry come out with a 55-gram linear switch.

What you want are called 'Gateron Blacks.'

I'll have to look for them. I did a quick search but couldn't find a seller for them. Are they available as switches only or is there a keyboard with Gateron blacks?

They are also available on Taobao, if you have a proxy and don't want to wait.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.5.0.0.NkL5hw&id=39999080987&_u=8i89orrca62
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: HPE1000 on Sat, 21 February 2015, 10:38:59
Linear switches are my favorite, but that doesn't stop me from using other switches :)

I really want to find some more linear switch boards though. I have boards with stock black switches, 68g black switches, and 75g black switches. The 75g are pretty heavy, they seem a bit heavier than stock black switches while the 68g are somewhere between red and black switches. Might just be the perfect weight.

I have a board with green linear tee mount switches and I would really like to get my hands on a zenith zkb2 or similar board which has green alps switches as everyone seems to like those. I would also like to try out any other vintage linear switches.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: aref on Sat, 21 February 2015, 10:55:31
Azhdar and Jdcarpe: Thanks for the information. I'll have to look into this group buy and get ready to tear-down a donor keyboard.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: saturnotaku on Tue, 03 March 2015, 13:13:30
I just got my KUL ES-87 with reds...and I really like them.   :-X
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Novus on Tue, 03 March 2015, 13:49:50
I just got my KUL ES-87 with reds...and I really like them.   :-X

Noice  :thumb:
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Fnzzy on Tue, 03 March 2015, 19:11:55
After months of using clears I just tried my reds for a while and I am currently using my Poker instead of my Viper, even though the space bar stabilizer is wonky  :-X Now I need a new keyboard where I can put linear gaterons into.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: pr0ximity on Tue, 03 March 2015, 19:31:20
I'm considering going tactile if the upcoming Lightsaver GB happens, but I love my Reds so much it's going to be tough.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Sencha on Fri, 13 March 2015, 01:43:28
Not a fan of Tactile MX switches at all. Browns feel like two marbles rubbing together. Reds to me are my favourite switch. Used them for years. Won't switch now. Love em'
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Eugene on Fri, 13 March 2015, 06:44:43
In the process of installing Matias/Open Steno 35cn Linears on an eBay AEKII.  I put some caps on to get an initial feel for the switches and they are very smooth indeed.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22649165/new-keyswitches.jpg)
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: aspire5550 on Fri, 13 March 2015, 13:17:28
I just bought a mx black and i think i'm a linear guy for now. Haven't really tried the tactile keys yet.

Anyway, I'm thinking of swapping the springs to 62g to make it lighter initially but now that I've used it for a few weeks, I found that I am not bothered by the weight anyway as I'm not bottoming out at all. Also, is there any way to make it more smooth? or is the only way i have is to change the stems to vintage/gateron linears like what other linear lovers here mentioned?
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Data on Fri, 13 March 2015, 13:28:50
Still rocking those Reds & Blacks in my Octagon.  Don't really see why anyone would dislike linear switches.  They're at least as good as my browns/clears.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: smoseph on Fri, 13 March 2015, 13:44:23
I only have blues right now but after trying out a friend's reds, I'm in love and have to have a board of my own. I'm searching for a QFR with reds right now, and once I find it, I'll finally be a member of the sweet smooth clacks of linears.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Hyde on Fri, 13 March 2015, 21:26:23
Reporting in, so far tried:
-mx red (too light don't like)
-stock black (slightly too heavy and scratchy)
-broken in black(smoother still slightly too heavy)
- gateron clear  (way too light, unusable)
- gateron blacks (almost perfect stock)

Got gaterons clears on the way with 62,65,68 springs, I'm searching for my sweet point, I think 68 or 65 will be the perfect switch for me.

Checking in. I like MX Blacks.
Just curious, are there any TKL keyboards out there that come preloaded with Gateron Blacks?

No keyboards has been found with stock gaterons yet.

I actually heard Noppoo Lolita 87 (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Noppoo-new-87-LED-mechanical-keyboard-mx-switches-compatible-Lolita-switch-blue-red-backlights-gaming-keyboard/1917295647.html) has stock Gateron switches.

Though I'm having trouble finding a reliable source that sell it in blue backlit and black switches.  :(
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 14 March 2015, 06:45:20
Do you guys ever produce double spaces without wanting to? with light linears

I'm pretty sure I'm occasionally tapping the spacebar twice, yet I also started suspecting switch issues, 99% I'm tapping it twice since it's so soft

I'm correcting double spaces 4-5 times a day, yet the issue is far less annoying than other issues, so linears I use, and enjoy

I don't want to open up my keyboard again, yet upgrading the spacebar switch to a black switch might be a good idea, I'm always amazed how red's can even lift the spacebar
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: davkol on Sat, 14 March 2015, 07:22:18
Do you guys ever produce double spaces without wanting to? with light linears
It's 99% typing technique.

I had this issue with my Choc Mini, which was actually infamous for doubletapping problems, but it turned out I only had to readjust the way I pressed keys from a bit spiderish style to tapping keys like on a typewriter.

I know there are other people, whose typing style breaks keyboards.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: phoenix1234 on Sat, 14 March 2015, 08:13:44
Broken-in Black with Originative 62g limited spring
Broken-in Black with Sprit 68g spring
Stock Black
Vintage Black
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 14 March 2015, 08:34:01
Broken-in Black with Originative 62g limited spring
Broken-in Black with Sprit 68g spring
Stock Black
Vintage Black

How do they compare to each other in terms of spring pings?

The reason I use red's is because the high coiled spring doesn't ping, otherwise it's way too soft for me
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: choc on Sat, 14 March 2015, 15:17:46
Another linear lover here! Let's expand the minority. :))

After several weeks of heaving using(about 10 hours per day) on the 4 common cherry MXs, I think maybe I love black most, then red. Say byebye to Brown/Blue!

The 4 MXs' competition from my experience:
(The match between brown and blue is insignificant for me and I'll show you why after a short while.)

1.typing. 
   Recently, I did 200 typing tests(50 for each MX) and keep all the records, e.g., wpm, valid keystrokes per minute, invalid keystrokes(typo+correction) per minute, and so on. Here is the result from some basic statistic analysis:
      Average typing speed: black(170.1wpm) > red(166.7wpm) > brown/blue(less than 155.2wpm, don't care).
      peak speed: black ˇÖ red(197wpm) > brown/blue.
      trough speed:black(155wpm) > red(151wpm) > brown/blue.
   So, I type fastest on black. Typing on black is also the most stably.

2.hand feel or typing feel.
   My preference:  black ˇÖ red >> brown/blue.
   I get the richest touch feedback on black. The powerful bounce to my fingertip just make me feel substantial and satisfied. Typing on black is somewhat like dancing on the piano. I bottom out the least on black. Mostly, I press down a key before the last pressed key fully floats up. It gives me the most fluent and continuous typing experience.  :thumb:
   On red, the general feeling is like on black, but weaker. It seems a lack of something, and my mind feels a bit vacant. Anyhow, it's another kind of experience. Red feels lighter, relaxed, flexible, while it still bouncy and has nearly the same efficiency as black. I bottom out some more than on black. Not sure whether I really like black more than red. Both are very charming.  :-*
   Typing on brown is sandy and wobbly. Not very enjoyable for me. The subtle tactility makes me feel laggy while typing or gaming. IMO, the tactility on brown/blue can help many of us keep typing pace, but not for me, it disturbs my pace quite often.
   Blue, another charming mx. In fact, I really like blue, just as how I like black and red, maybe not that much. I say no to it just for its noise, which makes me killed by my gf several times.  :confused:

3.fatigue.
   So far, I don't feel any fatigue from those 4 MXs. I psychologically believe red is the easiest to type and the most efficient in the long run, not sure whether it's true or not.

4.typo.
   I does feel I get a bit more typo on red/brown than on black/blue. But lukily, it turns out that they are almost the same based on the statistic analysis, so I will try to not worry about it from now on.

5.gaming.
   I prefer to choose the most comfort and reactive to play, in my case, black/red.
   A few words, I never casually press some keys down while I rest my fingers on mx red. For double-tapping, black seems a little bit faster than red, not quite sure, but they're definitely faster than brown and blue, imo. For accuracy, no difference, as I said before.



I've sold all my brown/blue by yesterday. For black and red, I don't know which is my favourite. :mad:

I only know I love Linear switch. ;)






               
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: Data on Sat, 14 March 2015, 22:09:14
(http://i.imgur.com/G5DBx7M.jpg)

 :D
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: phoenix1234 on Sun, 15 March 2015, 01:16:25
Broken-in Black with Originative 62g limited spring
Broken-in Black with Sprit 68g spring
Stock Black
Vintage Black

How do they compare to each other in terms of spring pings?

The reason I use red's is because the high coiled spring doesn't ping, otherwise it's way too soft for me

I believe that all Cherry MX switches do have ping. The ping will be obvious on some than the other, it will reduce when the switches get older or are being lubed (e.g high viscosity oil like Victorinox) So the stock, brand new, unlubed Cherry MX switches will have more ping than the older ones. In my case, I lubed them all so I did not notice the ping but perhaps it is because I did not try to listen to the ping?
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 16 March 2015, 04:44:04
Broken-in Black with Originative 62g limited spring
Broken-in Black with Sprit 68g spring
Stock Black
Vintage Black

How do they compare to each other in terms of spring pings?

The reason I use red's is because the high coiled spring doesn't ping, otherwise it's way too soft for me

I believe that all Cherry MX switches do have ping. The ping will be obvious on some than the other, it will reduce when the switches get older or are being lubed (e.g high viscosity oil like Victorinox) So the stock, brand new, unlubed Cherry MX switches will have more ping than the older ones. In my case, I lubed them all so I did not notice the ping but perhaps it is because I did not try to listen to the ping?
If your room ever gets dead silent, you would hear the ping even if you aren't listening to it, the reason I don't like ping mod's is because I'm afraid they will wear over time -or- I will miss 1-2 switches that will bother me equally, which happens (and happened)

Also, I had a chance to observe my double space issues, it's 99% because I rest my fingers on switches, probably causing the space to stay in between the activation area and re-press easily, during typing I  do rest my thumb on the space key, without wanting to

A nice solution for me is to replace the space's red with a modded black switch, but I don't like the idea to replace all modifiers with black switches, especially if you're touch typing, it might confuse you on a lower level, but since the space key always experiences the thumb-power, I don't think it will be an issue, the only issue is to reach the innards of the keyboard after all that anti-ping stuffing mods :)

Overall I find red's to be soothing, they also produce just the right amount of plastic-to-plastic sound from sliding to give that mechanical keyboard feeling, but the only reason I prefer them over black's is because of their silent springs
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 16 March 2015, 04:45:38
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really really nice keyboard btw, I also got my Dolch's on
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: phoenix1234 on Mon, 16 March 2015, 06:04:49
I believe that all Cherry MX switches do have ping. The ping will be obvious on some than the other, it will reduce when the switches get older or are being lubed (e.g high viscosity oil like Victorinox) So the stock, brand new, unlubed Cherry MX switches will have more ping than the older ones. In my case, I lubed them all so I did not notice the ping but perhaps it is because I did not try to listen to the ping?
If your room ever gets dead silent, you would hear the ping even if you aren't listening to it, the reason I don't like ping mod's is because I'm afraid they will wear over time -or- I will miss 1-2 switches that will bother me equally, which happens (and happened)

Also, I had a chance to observe my double space issues, it's 99% because I rest my fingers on switches, probably causing the space to stay in between the activation area and re-press easily, during typing I  do rest my thumb on the space key, without wanting to

A nice solution for me is to replace the space's red with a modded black switch, but I don't like the idea to replace all modifiers with black switches, especially if you're touch typing, it might confuse you on a lower level, but since the space key always experiences the thumb-power, I don't think it will be an issue, the only issue is to reach the innards of the keyboard after all that anti-ping stuffing mods :)

Overall I find red's to be soothing, they also produce just the right amount of plastic-to-plastic sound from sliding to give that mechanical keyboard feeling, but the only reason I prefer them over black's is because of their silent springs
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Perhaps the reason helping Cherry MX Red less ping is because the spring has high number of coils and the bottom out force is low. It leads to the fact that when I'm typing on Cherry MX Red, I have a feeling that it is too light and it travels is quite slow comparing to Black. So I prefer Black and its similar springs. I feel they are just right for me.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 23 March 2015, 19:15:18
I just replaced the spacebar switch with a black one on my red-switched board and with a clear one on my green switched board (clear because spacebar enhances the click imperfections or perfections too much)

I'm not 100% sure about the green-switch mod, it feels good/relaxing, yet I would strongly suggest replacing the red spacebar switch with a black one on red boards, I'm really really enjoying it, It eliminated the double spacebar issue I was experiencing

Both of my thumbs are on the spacebar, I also rest my fingers slightly, when the right thumb presses the spacebar, sometimes the left one re-actives the red-switch while resting, not likely with the black one, it also doesn't bother as thumbs are stronger

Time to relax a bit with linear switches

(I also googled Victorinox lube and read some Amazon reviews, I have to say I'm slightly traumatised)
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: AKIMbO on Mon, 23 March 2015, 20:05:12
Linear green alps are my jam son!
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: HPE1000 on Mon, 23 March 2015, 20:43:06
Linear green alps are my jam son!
I really want to try them out one day.
Title: Re: Linear switch lovers unite.
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 23 March 2015, 21:00:35
I'm strongly considering going into keycap manufacturing, cherry mx's seem sub-optimal in many aspects, yet I can't leave the beauty of keycaps behind and try other switches

If there was a manufacturer like GMK/SP/KB* that at least sold basic keycaps (more SP-like), it would be pretty fun to try/use other switch models

I'm also going to try alps/matias switches one of these days, but I'm holding back