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I can't be the only one hella excited for this weekend, can I?!
Two days away (http://youtu.be/x2Z3h_Hx310)
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When the grand prix was in Adelaide it was the last race of the season and practically the whole city stopped. I was there. I was actually behind the scenes (not doing anything particularly exciting, but we did get free passes).
Then it moved to Melbourne.
A few years later I moved to Melbourne too.
Now it is at the start of the season, and not many people seem to bother about it. There are a few posters around the city, but that's about it.
I can hear the cars from the office in the CBD on the Thursday and Friday.
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Hell yeah!
Yet another ****ed up season for McLaren, they will struggle hard this year with the new Honda things
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Hell yeah!
Yet another ****ed up season for McLaren, they will struggle hard this year with the new Honda things
Yeah but it's a development year for them. This year was always going to be catch up, just hope they can. I want to see Lewis and Alonso back on track fighting for the win again
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Yes, also I want the Mercedes fight to happen again, it was so exciting last year. Hopefully this year will be more than that with the more competitive engine from other teams too, Red Bulls seems to be very promising.
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I don't see it going as well as it did last year. Nico made one mistake and the team publicaly humiliated him. I hope Williams have got some more balls this season to pose a real threat
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IT'S HAPPENING
I'm not paying for Sky Sports though, I hate how it's split over Sky and the BBC. Rupert Murdoch is not getting any more of my money.
But I am excited. I want Mercedes to do well again, but I would love JB to rip it up with the new Honda power packs.
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It's the only reason I have Sky, can't stand the BBC's commentary... BBC had the best coverage with Jake and Brundel... But now meh
But yeah, I'm a huge Lewis fan so im hoping he can get his well earned 3rd title. I just hope Alonso is good for another few years so he can battle Lewis and Merc when McLaren finally get its **** together
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It's the only reason I have Sky, can't stand the BBC's commentary... BBC had the best coverage with Jake and Brundel... But now meh
But yeah, I'm a huge Lewis fan so im hoping he can get his well earned 3rd title. I just hope Alonso is good for another few years so he can battle Lewis and Merc when McLaren finally get its **** together
JAKE?? ****ING JAKE??? He is the male version of Clare Balding, but with less knowledge. They put him presenting the NFL as well, and I was just like: Why the hell is this guy here. I think DC and Eddie Jordan are the best two pundits.
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It's the only reason I have Sky, can't stand the BBC's commentary... BBC had the best coverage with Jake and Brundel... But now meh
But yeah, I'm a huge Lewis fan so im hoping he can get his well earned 3rd title. I just hope Alonso is good for another few years so he can battle Lewis and Merc when McLaren finally get its **** together
JAKE?? ****ING JAKE??? He is the male version of Clare Balding, but with less knowledge. They put him presenting the NFL as well, and I was just like: Why the hell is this guy here. I think DC and Eddie Jordan are the best two pundits.
Jake was brilliant, he might not know much but his banter with all the guys who did (and do) was second to non. Sky and the BBC's coverage is poorer without him.
But I would say Brundel is the best commentator and pundit F1 has seen. Rewatching old races with Murray and Hunt, or Murray and Brundel and you just want them to shut up (bar Hunt who was hilarious) because Murray talks utter ****.
I think I learnt more from Brundel's commentary about F1 than I have listening to anyone else or reading anything else.
But that's just me lol...
But yeah ITS TWO DAYS AWAY THE HYPE
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Hopefully Williams can snatch a few podiums, but I want the Mercedes 1-2 battles again.
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NASCAR!!!
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I still like to see Nico win, for some reason I much prefer him to Lewis
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NASCAR!!!
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I still like to see Nico win, for some reason I much prefer him to Lewis
Shame he pretty much falls apart in the race soon as he gets anywhere near him.
Bahrain was the only time Nico had an advantage (faster newer tires) and after 20ish laps he totally failed to pass him.
I like Nico, I just don't think he's on the same level as Lewis, JB, Alonso, Kimi, Vettel and Danny
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Hell yeah! Shame Mclaren Honda will suck and Mercedes will dominate. Still hoping for a ricciardo win after the injustice of last year - even as a British Fan, it's hard not to like the guy.
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Hell yeah!
Yet another ****ed up season for McLaren, they will struggle hard this year with the new Honda things
This year is everyone else's last year.
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Hell yeah! Shame Mclaren Honda will suck and Mercedes will dominate. Still hoping for a ricciardo win after the injustice of last year - even as a British Fan, it's hard not to like the guy.
Injustice? He got three wins! Lol
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Hell yeah! Shame Mclaren Honda will suck and Mercedes will dominate. Still hoping for a ricciardo win after the injustice of last year - even as a British Fan, it's hard not to like the guy.
Injustice? He got three wins! Lol
Did you watch last years Australian GP?
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Hell yeah! Shame Mclaren Honda will suck and Mercedes will dominate. Still hoping for a ricciardo win after the injustice of last year - even as a British Fan, it's hard not to like the guy.
Injustice? He got three wins! Lol
Did you watch last years Australian GP?
yeah ofc but that wasn't the first time thats ever happened... hell what about what happened at Spa '07? Cost Lewis the title...
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Wasn't really an injustice, it was just unlucky that it happened at his home GP in his debut season for Red Bull. His team ****ed up, and he paid the price. Win as a team, lose as a team.
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HYPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaVc0MBPFNw)
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Should be another interesting season. Really rooting for Bottas this year, I think he did rather well last year, coming 4th overall in the season in a Williams (beating Vettel, Alonso, Massa, Button and Räikkönen) :D
Ricciardo will be another one to watch this year. He's really on the pace.
Ferrari have a had some time to develop their car, and with Kimi and Sebastian as drivers they should be in with a better chance than last year and Mercedes may not be quite so dominant. I predict both Ferrari and Williams will be closer to the Mercedes cars this year (and it's been nice to see Williams back up amongst the top teams again after so long in the lower tiers).
I don't think Button or Alonso are really up to the caliber of the new batch of drivers any more, but I am willing to be proven wrong on that.
Anyway, let the KERS and DRS and turbos loose and let the sparks fly!
I think there's a lot wrong with the sport, particularly the tight technical regulations which completely stifle larger technological innovation and inventiveness (and so many technologies banned which could benefit the car industry if they had the scope to experiment and develop them in F1), but it's still worth watching.
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To underestimate Alonso is to tread a VERY dangerous line. There is a reason he's regarded by most as the best driver in the world (I say that as a Hamilton fan).
I think Ferrari will be interesting this year, they have a target of a race win and with the new guy arriving well it's gona be cool to see what the new Ferrari will be like, really hope Kimi is back this year and can match Vettel, otherwise I think he might be done.
I recon that the top teams (in order) will be;
Merc
Williams
RedBull
Ferrari
Torro Rosso
Sauber
Lotus
Mclaren
Force India
Mannor
Next year I really REALLY hope it's a proper return to form for Ferrari, Red Bull and Mclaren so we can have a repeat of 2010.
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First Practice TOMORROW
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To underestimate Alonso is to tread a VERY dangerous line. There is a reason he's regarded by most as the best driver in the world (I say that as a Hamilton fan).
I think Ferrari will be interesting this year, they have a target of a race win and with the new guy arriving well it's gona be cool to see what the new Ferrari will be like, really hope Kimi is back this year and can match Vettel, otherwise I think he might be done.
I recon that the top teams (in order) will be;
Merc
Williams
RedBull
Ferrari
Torro Rosso
Sauber
Lotus
Mclaren
Force India
Mannor
Next year I really REALLY hope it's a proper return to form for Ferrari, Red Bull and Mclaren so we can have a repeat of 2010.
Lotus has a good engine this year. I would put them above Sauber and Toro Rosso. Also, not convinced McLaren will beat Force India.
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To underestimate Alonso is to tread a VERY dangerous line. There is a reason he's regarded by most as the best driver in the world (I say that as a Hamilton fan).
I think Ferrari will be interesting this year, they have a target of a race win and with the new guy arriving well it's gona be cool to see what the new Ferrari will be like, really hope Kimi is back this year and can match Vettel, otherwise I think he might be done.
I recon that the top teams (in order) will be;
Merc
Williams
RedBull
Ferrari
Torro Rosso
Sauber
Lotus
Mclaren
Force India
Mannor
Next year I really REALLY hope it's a proper return to form for Ferrari, Red Bull and Mclaren so we can have a repeat of 2010.
Lotus has a good engine this year. I would put them above Sauber and Toro Rosso. Also, not convinced McLaren will beat Force India.
Yeah I'm not sure what to make of Lotus as there drivers have, lets say dubious track records lol
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To underestimate Alonso is to tread a VERY dangerous line. There is a reason he's regarded by most as the best driver in the world (I say that as a Hamilton fan).
I think Ferrari will be interesting this year, they have a target of a race win and with the new guy arriving well it's gona be cool to see what the new Ferrari will be like, really hope Kimi is back this year and can match Vettel, otherwise I think he might be done.
I recon that the top teams (in order) will be;
Merc
Williams
RedBull
Ferrari
Torro Rosso
Sauber
Lotus
Mclaren
Force India
Mannor
Next year I really REALLY hope it's a proper return to form for Ferrari, Red Bull and Mclaren so we can have a repeat of 2010.
Lotus has a good engine this year. I would put them above Sauber and Toro Rosso. Also, not convinced McLaren will beat Force India.
Yeah I'm not sure what to make of Lotus as there drivers have, lets say dubious track records lol
http://hasmaldonadocrashedtoday.com/
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http://hasmaldonadocrashedtoday.com/
Only ten days ago? lmao.
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Aussie friends: any news about the Sauber drivers' situation?
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http://hasmaldonadocrashedtoday.com/
Only ten days ago? lmao.
In fairness, it wasn't his fault. But still, it's pretty funny.
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http://hasmaldonadocrashedtoday.com/
Only ten days ago? lmao.
To be fair, it wasn't his fault, the breaks failed lol
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Thursday Drivers Press Conference
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feature=youtu.be
HYPE HYPE
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I CANT WATCH ANY OF THESE VIDEOS
I WANT TO BE HYPE TOO
COME ON LEWIS
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Sitting here trying to work, and it sounds like jets flying overhead, back and forth.
One of the guys yelled "terrorists" and ran for the toilet.
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You can post more picture for the community to enjoy it.
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Sitting here trying to work, and it sounds like jets flying overhead, back and forth.
One of the guys yelled "terrorists" and ran for the toilet.
Hahaha, they are sounding better than last year, for sure.
What an idiot.
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Sitting here trying to work, and it sounds like jets flying overhead, back and forth.
One of the guys yelled "terrorists" and ran for the toilet.
Hahaha, they are sounding better than last year, for sure.
What an idiot.
I'm not sure the two events are related. He's back at his desk now.
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Sitting here trying to work, and it sounds like jets flying overhead, back and forth.
One of the guys yelled "terrorists" and ran for the toilet.
Hahaha, they are sounding better than last year, for sure.
What an idiot.
I'm not sure the two events are related. He's back at his desk now.
Is he wearing a hat out of tin foil? :P
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Sitting here trying to work, and it sounds like jets flying overhead, back and forth.
One of the guys yelled "terrorists" and ran for the toilet.
Hahaha, they are sounding better than last year, for sure.
What an idiot.
I'm not sure the two events are related. He's back at his desk now.
Is he wearing a hat out of tin foil? :P
No, but his paranoia levels are generally very high.
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Well I for one think you are pretty lucky to be hosting a GP. Admittedly Silverstone isn't that far away from me in the grand scheme of things, but it's like £155 minimum per ticket. It's pretty insane.
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Well I for one think you are pretty lucky to be hosting a GP. Admittedly Silverstone isn't that far away from me in the grand scheme of things, but it's like �155 minimum per ticket. It's pretty insane.
Yeah it's £500 for the weekend each. That said WEC races are £30 for all access pass!
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Well I for one think you are pretty lucky to be hosting a GP. Admittedly Silverstone isn't that far away from me in the grand scheme of things, but it's like £155 minimum per ticket. It's pretty insane.
BTCC. Or RallyCross
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Pictures from FP1 & 2
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Anyone else watching quali live?? It's all ogre now...
In the end it was ezpz and the margin holy ****. Vindication for Vettel though
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Super dull race but a good result for Lewis. Props to Nasr for a great performance too!
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Super dull race but a good result for Lewis. Props to Nasr for a great performance too!
Pretty much this. At least button managed to finish, was not expecting that!
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Super dull race but a good result for Lewis. Props to Nasr for a great performance too!
Super disappointed that Bottas didn't start because of his back... :(
And Kimi dropping out from 5th because they didn't put his wheel on properly... sigh. I can't imagine the little shoving in the first corner had anything to do with it, because it was all on the right side of his car..
Anyhow, nice to see Ferrari competetive again, but McLaren and Honda have a LOT of development work to do. Seems Lewis really did make the right move in switching to Mercedes from his almost life-long stint with McLaren.
Williams / Ferrari battle seems to be where most of the action will be this season. Quite surprised at the Sauber performance, too. I agree that it was a great drive by Nasr.
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not only McLarens/Honda but Red Bull/Renaults seems to have many things to do also
damn the Australia GP, 8h difference and I woke up to the 51st lap of the total 58 :(
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And Kimi dropping out from 5th because they didn't put his wheel on properly... sigh. I can't imagine the little shoving in the first corner had anything to do with it, because it was all on the right side of his car..
It seemed like there were a LOT of pit stop errors. They played a replay of when Kimi left the pits just before that, and you can see the crew on the rear left waving at him to come back. They will probably be fined for unsafe release, as another team was last year when the wheel fell off a car as it drove down the pit lane. Can't remember who it was.
Then Torro Rosso had issues when both guns on the rear left failed and they had to use a gun from the front left to get the tire off.
I thought it was exciting. Maybe not at the front, and all the retirements weren't good for the first race of the season, but I didn't think it was as boring as people are saying it was.
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And Kimi dropping out from 5th because they didn't put his wheel on properly... sigh. I can't imagine the little shoving in the first corner had anything to do with it, because it was all on the right side of his car..
It seemed like there were a LOT of pit stop errors. They played a replay of when Kimi left the pits just before that, and you can see the crew on the rear left waving at him to come back. They will probably be fined for unsafe release, as another team was last year when the wheel fell off a car as it drove down the pit lane. Can't remember who it was.
Then Torro Rosso had issues when both guns on the rear left failed and they had to use a gun from the front left to get the tire off.
I thought it was exciting. Maybe not at the front, and all the retirements weren't good for the first race of the season, but I didn't think it was as boring as people are saying it was.
Yeah I did think it was strange how much slower and how many more errors there where at Aus... maybe it's just rusty mechanics?? idk.. but yeah the race wasn't that bad and it was a good result for the new guys.
Alot of people seem to either be new to F1 or to have amnesia, anyone remember the US GP (from 2002 I think?) when only 6 cars started the race becasue Bridgestone hadn't supplied the other teams with safe tires?? That was a farce.
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Yeah I did think it was strange how much slower and how many more errors there where at Aus... maybe it's just rusty mechanics?? idk.. but yeah the race wasn't that bad and it was a good result for the new guys.
Alot of people seem to either be new to F1 or to have amnesia, anyone remember the US GP (from 2002 I think?) when only 6 cars started the race becasue Bridgestone hadn't supplied the other teams with safe tires?? That was a farce.
That is the most promising thing. The rookies did really really well, and with Ferrari being able to compete, it really bodes well for the near future of F1.
That is exactly the race it made me think of. Bridgestone said their tires wouldn't stand up to the high speed corner out of the start-finish straight after Ralf Schumacher crashed out, and all the cars started but the Bridgestone cars went into the pits after the formation lap. It was pretty ridiculous.
Obviously it wasn't quite as bad as that because that ruined F1 in the USA for years, but the amount of failures did remind me of that race for sure.
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Yeah, and I agree with Ferrari, did you see the drivers interview after the race where Nico made a total fool of himself??
>nico..
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Speaking of making a fool of yourself, I like RBR and Horner but his talk of leaving F1 is really uncalled for. If you're upset with your car/engine supplier then deal with that but leave the FIA out of this.
The sport will be just fine with Merc at the top for another year.
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Speaking of making a fool of yourself, I like RBR and Horner but his talk of leaving F1 is really uncalled for. If you're upset with your car/engine supplier then deal with that but leave the FIA out of this.
The sport will be just fine with Merc at the top for another year.
Yeah, its a shame RBR are such *****es, Ferrari, Mclaren and Merc never cried about RBR's success and domination... hell Merc didn't do much when RBR managed to lobby for older tires that suited there care more in 2013, which pretty much put an end to Lewis's title hopes.
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Speaking of making a fool of yourself, I like RBR and Horner but his talk of leaving F1 is really uncalled for. If you're upset with your car/engine supplier then deal with that but leave the FIA out of this.
The sport will be just fine with Merc at the top for another year.
Horner: "I CAN'T BELIEVE MERCEDES ARE SO DOMINANT. THIS ISN'T FAIR. WE ARE LEAVING"
Everyone else: "Didn't you win 4 championships in a row?"
Horner: "THAT'S NOT THE POINT!"
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as a Mercedes' fan, I actually enjoy RBR's reaction, such a joke
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More bad news for McLaren, Kmag's/Alonso's engine that blew up in Aus can't be fixed, down to only three for them for the rest of the season...
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More bad news for McLaren, Kmag's/Alonso's engine that blew up in Aus can't be fixed, down to only three for them for the rest of the season...
Them and Kvyat now.
Also, no German GP D:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/31930827
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Thought kavyat was ok for his engine?
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Thought kavyat was ok for his engine?
Wasn't it Kvyat's Gearbox?
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More bad news for McLaren, Kmag's/Alonso's engine that blew up in Aus can't be fixed, down to only three for them for the rest of the season...
Them and Kvyat now.
Also, no German GP D:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/31930827
2015: small grids, shorter schedule, and lots of penalties for extra power unit components.
I will say the FIA decreasing the number of engines for this season was not smart, even with the friendlier component penalties. With the engine suppliers taking bigger engineering & financial risks with very complex V6s, what did the FIA expect?
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More bad news for McLaren, Kmag's/Alonso's engine that blew up in Aus can't be fixed, down to only three for them for the rest of the season...
Them and Kvyat now.
Also, no German GP D:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/31930827
2015: small grids, shorter schedule, and lots of penalties for extra power unit components.
I will say the FIA decreasing the number of engines for this season was not smart, even with the friendlier component penalties. With the engine suppliers taking bigger engineering & financial risks with very complex V6s, what did the FIA expect?
tbf I don't thin anyone expected Renault to be so ****ing horrendous this season, but yeah it's pretty unfair for Mclaren
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Look over there, it's quali!
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it raining
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So much rain holy ****.
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Kat you follow a driver or team?
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I am a fan of British drivers in general. I like LH because it's good to bask in some British glory, even if I steadily liked him less and less last year for various reasons. I really like JB and am quite sad how badly McLaren are doing this year, especially because I think he won't be in F1 next year.
As for teams, I really like Caterham (RIP) I'm glad Marussia are back, but McLaren and Mercedes are my top 2 teams, even if I hate Mercedes cars.
So drivers atm it's JB, LH then probably Kimi actually. I think he's a cool dude.
I'm happy Honda are back, so I'm probably rooting for them and McLaren more than Mercedes.
You?
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Lewis fanboy, not really been into any of the teams... that said I started my hatred of Mclaren from about 2011 onwards. They have consistently been the worst team of the bigger boys and Martin Whitmarsh was in charge for far too long, Lewis should have won the championship in 2012, Mclaren had the best car (for most of the season) and IMO two of the best drivers in the world and they not only lost there star driver (Lewis) they failed to win either Drivers or Constructors Champ's.
Other than Lewis I'm a huge fan of Alonso becasue IMO he's the most complete driver on the planet and one of the greatest ever drivers, he's just been politically poor, I really hope Mclaren turn it around so he can be back battling with Lewis.
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Lewis fanboy, not really been into any of the teams... that said I started my hatred of Mclaren from about 2011 onwards. They have consistently been the worst team of the bigger boys and Martin Whitmarsh was in charge for far too long, Lewis should have won the championship in 2012, Mclaren had the best car (for most of the season) and IMO two of the best drivers in the world and they not only lost there star driver (Lewis) they failed to win either Drivers or Constructors Champ's.
Other than Lewis I'm a huge fan of Alonso becasue IMO he's the most complete driver on the planet and one of the greatest ever drivers, he's just been politically poor, I really hope Mclaren turn it around so he can be back battling with Lewis.
I've never followed any principals or team bosses or anything, other than Renault during the whole "crashgate" of course. And Adrian Newey, because he's managed to pull Geri Haliwell hah.
As for Alonso, he's my least favorite driver. I just started to dislike him during the season he was battling with Lewis, and I've never liked him since. I agree he is a good driver, I just don't like him :P But anybody being able to challenge Mercedes is good.
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Lewis fanboy, not really been into any of the teams... that said I started my hatred of Mclaren from about 2011 onwards. They have consistently been the worst team of the bigger boys and Martin Whitmarsh was in charge for far too long, Lewis should have won the championship in 2012, Mclaren had the best car (for most of the season) and IMO two of the best drivers in the world and they not only lost there star driver (Lewis) they failed to win either Drivers or Constructors Champ's.
Other than Lewis I'm a huge fan of Alonso becasue IMO he's the most complete driver on the planet and one of the greatest ever drivers, he's just been politically poor, I really hope Mclaren turn it around so he can be back battling with Lewis.
I've never followed any principals or team bosses or anything, other than Renault during the whole "crashgate" of course. And Adrian Newey, because he's managed to pull Geri Haliwell hah.
As for Alonso, he's my least favorite driver. I just started to dislike him during the season he was battling with Lewis, and I've never liked him since. I agree he is a good driver, I just don't like him :P But anybody being able to challenge Mercedes is good.
Yeah that's what I mean by politically poor lol... he should be a 4x champion but.. **** happens lol he's matured alot since 07 and it has shown in his driving and its part of what makes him the best driver on the grid.
But I have to say, I like JB because of his wife and off-track antics more than what he does in a car haha
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>rosberg blocks lewis
>then asks what lines to drive
>half a second slower
>get****edm8
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Yeah that's what I mean by politically poor lol... he should be a 4x champion but.. **** happens lol he's matured alot since 07 and it has shown in his driving and its part of what makes him the best driver on the grid.
But I have to say, I like JB because of his wife and off-track antics more than what he does in a car haha
Hahah, yeah, I like him because he's a nice guy. But you're right. His wife is amazing.
One of my friends at work hates LH with a passion, and wants Rosberg to win all the time. So naturally last year was fun. So in response I hate Nico Rosberg :D
Not surprised Lewis got pole. He is great in the wet. Glad we've finally got another team on the front row!
>rosberg blocks lewis
>then asks what lines to drive
>half a second slower
>get****edm8
Guys, what do I do?
You know we can't tell you that.
Awwww...
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I never really had an opinion of Nico pre-2014... from what I can tell he is able to absorb data and then replicate that on track and Lewis beasting it in practice Nico to adapt his driving for quali which is why he was able to out qualify him.
But his antics, cheating or not playing fair has put me way off him. It was pretty clear after Bahrain that Nico was no match for Lewis on track in the race.
But yeah, interesting session, shame Nico had to cheat again but Lewis had done just enough to hang onto pole from Vettel... dat Ferrari
ha @ Lewis in the press conference, not even gona dignify Nico's antics with an answer... he got this season
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I never really had an opinion of Nico pre-2014... from what I can tell he is able to absorb data and then replicate that on track and Lewis beasting it in practice Nico to adapt his driving for quali which is why he was able to out qualify him.
But his antics, cheating or not playing fair has put me way off him. It was pretty clear after Bahrain that Nico was no match for Lewis on track in the race.
But yeah, interesting session, shame Nico had to cheat again but Lewis had done just enough to hang onto pole from Vettel... dat Ferrari
Yeah. Monaco and Spa made me dislike him. Then Bahrain just made me pity him, just showing that he really couldn't keep up with Lewis and had to rely on reliability to win. And when his engine conked out in Abu Dabhi I felt kinda sad that we didn't see a race, and ultimately I felt sorry for him how you could hear the disappointment in his voice.
Still shows that even though he couldn't get a lap out at the final hurdle, the Ferrari couldn't beat him.
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I never really had an opinion of Nico pre-2014... from what I can tell he is able to absorb data and then replicate that on track and Lewis beasting it in practice Nico to adapt his driving for quali which is why he was able to out qualify him.
But his antics, cheating or not playing fair has put me way off him. It was pretty clear after Bahrain that Nico was no match for Lewis on track in the race.
But yeah, interesting session, shame Nico had to cheat again but Lewis had done just enough to hang onto pole from Vettel... dat Ferrari
Yeah. Monaco and Spa made me dislike him. Then Bahrain just made me pity him, just showing that he really couldn't keep up with Lewis and had to rely on reliability to win. And when his engine conked out in Abu Dabhi I felt kinda sad that we didn't see a race, and ultimately I felt sorry for him how you could hear the disappointment in his voice.
Still shows that even though he couldn't get a lap out at the final hurdle, the Ferrari couldn't beat him.
"what lines is the fist place guy taking?"
"sorry nico we cant tell you that"
ha
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Tomorrow should be good!
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Tomorrow should be good!
Only if vettel can hold onto 2nd. I have half a mind to think he'll loose it before the first corner. The weather will be crucial, as always is the case
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Tomorrow should be good!
Only if vettel can hold onto 2nd. I have half a mind to think he'll loose it before the first corner. The weather will be crucial, as always is the case
nah I think the mid field will be pretty exciting and give us alot of good racing
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Go Ericsson!
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ALL I WANNA DO IS DO IT
Let's go Lewis. Nico's starts off the line have never been good. I think Vettel will beat him off the line and it will take a few laps for him to get past.
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Yeash boi 5mins!
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Well the safety car was excessive. But let's see how it effects the rest of the race.
Gutted for Kimi already too :(
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Well the safety car was excessive. But let's see how it effects the rest of the race.
Gutted for Kimi already too :(
Agreed, could have brought it in at least a lap earlier. Kimi was really unlucky, not his fault and the absolute worst place for a puncture.
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Well the safety car was excessive. But let's see how it effects the rest of the race.
Gutted for Kimi already too :(
Agreed, could have brought it in at least a lap earlier. Kimi was really unlucky, not his fault and the absolute worst place for a puncture.
I don't think they needed it at all. But I understand they are chucking them out for everything.
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Well the safety car was excessive. But let's see how it effects the rest of the race.
Gutted for Kimi already too :(
Agreed, could have brought it in at least a lap earlier. Kimi was really unlucky, not his fault and the absolute worst place for a puncture.
I don't think they needed it at all. But I understand they are chucking them out for everything.
I've had no problem with it since suzuka.
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Well the safety car was excessive. But let's see how it effects the rest of the race.
Gutted for Kimi already too :(
Agreed, could have brought it in at least a lap earlier. Kimi was really unlucky, not his fault and the absolute worst place for a puncture.
I don't think they needed it at all. But I understand they are chucking them out for everything.
I've had no problem with it since suzuka.
Mmm...
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Eugh, bad idea to put the hard tires on Lewis. That Ferrari is insane.
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Even Im a fan of Merc, its so exciting to see Ferrari goes like this, their chassis is clearly much better now :P
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Even Im a fan of Merc, its so exciting to see Ferrari goes like this, their chassis is clearly much better now :P
Definitely. If Kimi and Lewis both finish on the podium today, it will be a good day.
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Lewis goes on hard again
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Lewis goes on hard again
He's moaning at his engineers again. That's what I hate about him.
This has been a great race. People saying it's been boring can ram it. Although potential for another spygate scandal from Ferrari? ;)
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Even Im a fan of Merc, its so exciting to see Ferrari goes like this, their chassis is clearly much better now :P
Also seems to be an engine improvement - a noticeably larger amount of power.
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Lewis goes on hard again
He's moaning at his engineers again. That's what I hate about him.
This has been a great race. People saying it's been boring can ram it. Although potential for another spygate scandal from Ferrari? ;)
Yeah I noticed that too, act angry at the engineer doesnt help him pass Vettel
Thats why I never really like him, even from the time he was at McLaren
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That awesome pass from Bottas :P
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Ferarri are officially back.
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Damn, Merc have some serious tires issues... gj from Ferrari and Vettel... wonder how this will play out for the rest of the season...
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Still think it's Lewis's championship to loose... but this should give Merc something to think about
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i would like to see a nice close up of alonso's face right now.
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i would like to see a nice close up of alonso's face right now.
idk I think he made the right move. It was never going to pay off this season Mclaren and Honda are a year behind all the other teams and the leap they have had in performance is probably equal to that of Ferrari this year over last.
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It's back!!!
The Chinese Grand Prix
Looks like half way through P2 that the Merc's have found the pace again but Ferrari arnt too far back and still clearly the best of the rest!
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The results from Practice 2 of The Chinese Grand Prix
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Really interesting that McLaren have managed to do so well in the session, hope that means that we can finally see Alonso and Button getting mixed up in the fun and games of the mid field this weekend! Also what happened to Nico, miles behind his team mate and stuck in the cluster of Ferrari's and Red Bull's...
So for the Weekend UK Times and TV Coverage;
Saturday 11 April 2015
Chinese Grand Prix third practice live Sky Sports F1 05:00
Chinese Grand Prix qualifying live Sky Sports F1 08:00
Sunday 12 April 2015
Chinese Grand Prix live Sky Sports F1 07:00
WEC Six Hours of Silverstone Motors TV 12:00
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Good job UPS (http://imgur.com/gallery/JJawPuh/new)
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The results from Practice 2 of The Chinese Grand Prix
Show Image
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Really interesting that McLaren have managed to do so well in the session, hope that means that we can finally see Alonso and Button getting mixed up in the fun and games of the mid field this weekend! Also what happened to Nico, miles behind his team mate and stuck in the cluster of Ferrari's and Red Bull's...
So for the Weekend UK Times and TV Coverage;
Saturday 11 April 2015
Chinese Grand Prix third practice live Sky Sports F1 05:00
Chinese Grand Prix qualifying live Sky Sports F1 08:00
Sunday 12 April 2015
Chinese Grand Prix live Sky Sports F1 07:00
WEC Six Hours of Silverstone Motors TV 12:00
I love pretty much everything about that board. If that's how the race finished on Sunday I would be really really happy. Kimi up top again, Lewis winning, McLaren doing well (with JB ahead of Alonso) and Rosberg lagging behind. Awesome stuff.
Highlights are on the BBC too (because **** BSkyB)
Qualifying Highlights, 13:00-14:15, BBC One
Race Highlights, 14:00-15:55, BBC One
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yeah... but **** highlights more
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yeah... but **** highlights more
Nah, I can't justify lining that crook's pocket with a ridiculous monthly fee when I can stream it illegally or watch it on the BBC :)
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yeah... but **** highlights more
Nah, I can't justify lining that crook's pocket with a ridiculous monthly fee when I can stream it illegally or watch it on the BBC :)
You know, if you take the end off that sentence the same applies to pretty much, everything lol
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Quali predictions
Hamilton
Vettel
Rikkonen
Rosberg
Ricciardo
Bottas
Massa
Kavyat
Nasr
Alonso
The rest
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I'm bad at predictions
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Yeah, that's pretty bad. Surprised McLaren did so bad again.
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Yeah, that's pretty bad. Surprised McLaren did so bad again.
they have good race pace I'm told so let's see if they can make there way up there
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TOMORROW 7AM RACE START
http://gfycat.com/HoarseHideousGardensnake
LETS GET ALL BUTTERY
ALONSO AND BUTTON FOR POINTS
LEWIS FOR SECOND WIN OF THE SEASON
ROSBERG WILL TEARS
KIMI BE LUCKY
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Domination, shame how it ended but I don't think it actually changed anything.
Number 1 Nico fan' http://www.reddit.com/user/jetshockeyfan
Pretty funny to see Nico's post race anger and Lewis's replies haha 3x WDC ezpz
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Domination, shame how it ended but I don't think it actually changed anything.
Number 1 Nico fan' http://www.reddit.com/user/jetshockeyfan
Pretty funny to see Nico's post race anger and Lewis's replies haha 3x WDC ezpz
The fanboy is strong in /r/f1
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Domination, shame how it ended but I don't think it actually changed anything.
Number 1 Nico fan' http://www.reddit.com/user/jetshockeyfan
Pretty funny to see Nico's post race anger and Lewis's replies haha 3x WDC ezpz
The fanboy is strong in /r/f1
You have no idea lmao after Nico posted that video reply to a Twitter guy Nico's number one fan got half his **** gilded hahahahaha despite it still being bull**** hahaha
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Domination, shame how it ended but I don't think it actually changed anything.
Number 1 Nico fan' http://www.reddit.com/user/jetshockeyfan
Pretty funny to see Nico's post race anger and Lewis's replies haha 3x WDC ezpz
The fanboy is strong in /r/f1
You have no idea lmao after Nico posted that video reply to a Twitter guy Nico's number one fan got half his **** gilded hahahahaha despite it still being bull**** hahaha
There are two problems in /r/f1 - fanboys, and people who spend their lives getting angry at fanboys.
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Domination, shame how it ended but I don't think it actually changed anything.
Number 1 Nico fan' http://www.reddit.com/user/jetshockeyfan
Pretty funny to see Nico's post race anger and Lewis's replies haha 3x WDC ezpz
The fanboy is strong in /r/f1
You have no idea lmao after Nico posted that video reply to a Twitter guy Nico's number one fan got half his **** gilded hahahahaha despite it still being bull**** hahaha
There are two problems in /r/f1 - fanboys, and people who spend their lives getting angry at fanboys.
actually its the fanboys and the haters... Lewis gets so much insane levels of hate... it's kinda silly... but I guess it's all part of the circle jerk that people seem to think is just a reddit thing lol
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Bahrain GP
Q: L. Hamilton
1: L. Hamilton
2. S. Vettel
3. N. Rosberg
(number of Renault PU failures during race weekend: 2)
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Bahrain GP
Q: L. Hamilton
1: L. Hamilton
2. S. Vettel
3. N. Rosberg
(number of Renault PU failures during race weekend: 2)
I think only one this weekend. I think they are slowly getting better.
Hopefully Kimi is as good in the race as he was in practice.
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Hahahahaha Nico
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Hahahahaha Nico
I bet Kimi will kill him off the line tomorrow as well. It's gonna be a good year for Lewis.
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Hahahahaha Nico
I bet Kimi will kill him off the line tomorrow as well. It's gonna be a good year for Lewis.
Alright there Mr Future
Yeah Nico is done, now the fight for second place is properly on though.
Love that 'PerVettel' made three mistakes, ****ed his wing and ruined his own race today haha
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Have to say, I ****ing hate the culture Reddit has created and nurtured through the design of its site. The circle jerk is so ****ing strong across subs the content that those subs generate or gather becomes worse and worse and more and more meaningless. Subs that used to have valuable information and opinions just become ****holes.
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Have to say, I ****ing hate the culture Reddit has created and nurtured through the design of its site. The circle jerk is so ****ing strong across subs the content that those subs generate or gather becomes worse and worse and more and more meaningless. Subs that used to have valuable information and opinions just become ****holes.
Yeah, I've just stopped reading comments on Reddit and just use it for the pictures and the news links.
Could not have wished for a better result in the race today. First podium for Kimi, Lewis win, and Nico cracking under pressure again. It's not that I don't like Nico, it's just that he is probably to only real challenge to Lewis this year as well (as well as Ferrari are doing, I still think Mercedes will win) and it's good to see his flaws.
Also, how hilarious was the engine blowout for Red Bull :))
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Yeah that was pretty funny
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Yeah that was pretty funny
"There's a lot of smoke from those fireworks coming across the grid..."
Oh no wait, it's another Renault power unit failure
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And both Toro Rosso's retired...
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And both Toro Rosso's retired...
Can't draw attention away from JB only doing 17 laps the entire weekend. Not able to start even from the pits. Not good. Did anybody manage to get a comment from him or find out what the issue was?
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However, I think the biggest thing that happened this weekend was EJ's interview with Bernie.
He said he would step down if Audi were to make a genuine attempt to get into the sport, which is ****ing fantastic. I think he is systematically destroying the sport piece by piece, and a massive cash injection from the VAG would be amazing for the sport. I mean, just look at what they've done at Le Mans.
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Ehh I think Bernie is too easily blamed for a number of things, when in reality he made F1 what it is. I would love Audi to be in F1, but I'm really not sure what benefit it would be for them. WEC and the LMP1 technology is so much more relevant to there road cars...
And Brundle had a chat with Ron on the grid, JB's hybrid system showed that it might fail so instead of sacrifice another engine they decided not to run it.
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Ehh I think Bernie is too easily blamed for a number of things, when in reality he made F1 what it is. I would love Audi to be in F1, but I'm really not sure what benefit it would be for them. WEC and the LMP1 technology is so much more relevant to there road cars...
And Brundle had a chat with Ron on the grid, JB's hybrid system showed that it might fail so instead of sacrifice another engine they decided not to run it.
He is focused on money which has got F1 to the pinnacle of motor racing. But that only pushes you so far. For me, replacing countries like France and Mexico on the calendar with countries with questionable human rights histories, like Bahrain, Azerbaijan and Russia, is ridiculous. Not really caring about other historical tracks like Monza or Germany until they give up more money to host a race, and replacing Brazil with Abu Dhabi at the end of the race, just shows that all he cares about is money.
I don't think Audi would care what benefit they would gain. They have made so many strides in F1 already, it would be interesting to see how they would want the regulations changed to allow them to introduce more innovations.
Ah gotcha. I guess that makes it easier on the 5 power unit rule.
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Audi are invested in wec. They won't switch even if bernie goes.
On another note, does anyone watch wec? I watched the 6 hrs of Silverstone and the different technology was awesome!
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Ehh I think Bernie is too easily blamed for a number of things, when in reality he made F1 what it is. I would love Audi to be in F1, but I'm really not sure what benefit it would be for them. WEC and the LMP1 technology is so much more relevant to there road cars...
And Brundle had a chat with Ron on the grid, JB's hybrid system showed that it might fail so instead of sacrifice another engine they decided not to run it.
He is focused on money which has got F1 to the pinnacle of motor racing. But that only pushes you so far. For me, replacing countries like France and Mexico on the calendar with countries with questionable human rights histories, like Bahrain, Azerbaijan and Russia, is ridiculous. Not really caring about other historical tracks like Monza or Germany until they give up more money to host a race, and replacing Brazil with Abu Dhabi at the end of the race, just shows that all he cares about is money.
I don't think Audi would care what benefit they would gain. They have made so many strides in F1 already, it would be interesting to see how they would want the regulations changed to allow them to introduce more innovations.
Ah gotcha. I guess that makes it easier on the 5 power unit rule.
What about countries like America and the UK where we imprison people without reason, torture PoW's and convict 'terrorists' in secret courts.
F1 shouldn't be about politics, and while it's a shame there are some great tracks missing from the calender it's also true that tracks like Bahrain gives us great racing, which is what F1 should be about.
And I think Audi care a huge deal what benefit they would get from going to F1 rather than WEC. In WEC they have basically dominated the sport and Le Mans for the last 10 years or so without much challenge. In the last few years, thanks (in part) due to the advances in Aero tech and the Red Bull dominance WEC has seen a huge uptip in viewers. This coupled with Porsche and how Nissan joining the LMP1 HY leagues mean that Audi faces even more competition and has again seen WEC grow in popularity.
There Hybrid LMP1 division uses technology that can be almost directly put into it's road cars (the bit of Audi that makes them money to go racing), and while Porsche is owned by the same group as Audi, it looks like at the moment, with the current F1 rules and regs, it makes more sense for them to say with WEC and develop road technologies further, rather than wast hundreds of millions (what Merc and Ferrari spend) in order simply to catch-up to everyone else.
Going back to Merc, they are a very good example of how to enter F1 and BMW the perfect example of how not too. Merc got lucky with Honda and then Brawn and were able to buy a very good team with Ross Brawn as it's leader, couple that with a huge rule change, Lewis getting fed up at McLaren and you have a perfect storm. Audi would have to play there cards right to get anything close to something like that, and even then would have to rely alot on chance.
I think Audi would be great for F1, but at the moment the sport has bigger issues and non of those are solved by Audi joining the sport.
Audi are invested in wec. They won't switch even if bernie goes.
On another note, does anyone watch wec? I watched the 6 hrs of Silverstone and the different technology was awesome!
I watched the lions share of that race and yeah it was awesome. Started getting into WEC in 2012 and have been watching more and more of it. It's a great series and if the cars and tires can replicate what happened at Silverstone (3 sprint races between the LMP1 cars set up by driver changes) it's going to be a pretty special season.
Also super interested to see how Nissan go at Le Mans and if they can match or beat what Porsche did last year
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Ehh I think Bernie is too easily blamed for a number of things, when in reality he made F1 what it is. ...
Which is what I'm blaming him for.
Look at the innovation happening in Le Mans, far more than what's going on in F1. If Audi can force Bernie out and get some rules changed to allow innovation again in F1 I'm all for it. IMHO, F1 has become a money-spinning bore compared to when they were running crazy cars like the FW15 with all kinds of interesting tech that could have been developed and filtered down to road cars.
A well-implemented active suspension system is much safer than a stock spring and damper setup and you still have to "drive" a car that has one just as much as one without on the racetrack, so any of the reasons given for banning it are rubbish.
Mercedes developed a rotary valve head for one of their cars, Renault got wind of it, complained to FIA and... banned. Before it was even fully tested. It reduces weight and size of the heads and improves airflow and efficiency.
These are just 2 examples of the plethora of technical innovations which could be making your everyday car safer, more efiicient and more fun to drive if it weren't for the FIA ban-hammer and ultra-tight regulations.
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Ehh I think Bernie is too easily blamed for a number of things, when in reality he made F1 what it is. ...
Which is what I'm blaming him for.
Look at the innovation happening in Le Mans, far more than what's going on in F1. If Audi can force Bernie out and get some rules changed to allow innovation again in F1 I'm all for it. IMHO, F1 has become a money-spinning bore compared to when they were running crazy cars like the FW15 with all kinds of interesting tech that could have been developed and filtered down to road cars.
A well-implemented active suspension system is much safer than a stock spring and damper setup and you still have to "drive" a car that has one just as much as one without on the racetrack, so any of the reasons given for banning it are rubbish.
Mercedes developed a rotary valve head for one of their cars, Renault got wind of it, complained to FIA and... banned. Before it was even fully tested. It reduces weight and size of the heads and improves airflow and efficiency.
These are just 2 examples of the plethora of technical innovations which could be making your everyday car safer, more efiicient and more fun to drive if it weren't for the FIA ban-hammer and ultra-tight regulations.
Yeah, you know I don't really agree at all. WEC and Le Mans has always been about brand new technologies and it's something they have been pushing. F1 is about being the very fastest motor sport on the planet, but there is a limit.
The F2004 Ferrari remains the fastest ever track car and with any sense, it will stay that way.
There never where 'good old days' in f1, F1 has only gotten better and closer in terms of racing and parity across teams. Things like active suspension were banned because when they go wrong (even at speeds the 90s F1 cars were doing) they can go badly wrong and cause huge huge accidents.
I was talking about this with someone on Reddit a year ago and they brought up an incident where one of the supension struts failed and jammed into position, at Spa;
At Spa-Francorchamps for the Belgian Grand Prix Alessandro Zanardi was heading into the ultra-fast Eau Rouge section when a leak in his Lotus’s hydraulic system caused the bottom of the car to hit the track. The car went straight on into the barriers at enormous speed.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/05/17/banned-active-suspension/
I think there is scope for change with the rules in F1, ground effect is one option, making aero/dirty air less important which would allow the cars to run closer together more of the time, but then so would harder tires that lasted the whole race.
The problem is technology, it is so good and so well refined that all the matierals that F1 cars are made out of, are for the most part, operating well within limits, this wasn't the case with older cars of the 70s/80s and 90s and it's part of the reason reliability is so insane, hell you can see this in WEC too at Silverstone the other week, we had 2-3 LMP1 cars essentially doing a 6hr sprint race.
I agree that the rules are too restrictive and that more leeway could make for more interesting cars and races, but it could also force the struggling cars in the middle of the pack out of the sport, and given that the grid is small enough as it is... that wouldn't be the best option
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Problem is, those "struggling teams" can't come up with a good idea and then be in the running.
It's all about how much budget they have for R&D, finite element analysis, aero simulation, etc and whether they make good predictions like Mercedes did about the engine formula. There's no space for innovation. It's boring, especially to someone who loves cars and all the oily bits that make them go.
About the hydraulic suspension failure, instead of banning it they could just introduce better failsafes, the reasons that are bandied about banning these promising technologies just can't cover the fact that it was a bad decision, both for the sport and the car industry. The budgets in Le Mans don't give the teams as much opportunity to develop new tech as they could in F1.
F1 is meant to be at the very bleeding edge of car tech, I mean it's called formula ONE for a reason.
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Problem is, those "struggling teams" can't come up with a good idea and then be in the running.
It's all about how much budget they have for R&D, finite element analysis, aero simulation, etc and whether they make good predictions like Mercedes did about the engine formula. There's no space for innovation. It's boring, especially to someone who loves cars and all the oily bits that make them go.
About the hydraulic suspension failure, instead of banning it they could just introduce better failsafes, the reasons that are bandied about banning these promising technologies just can't cover the fact that it was a bad decision, both for the sport and the car industry. The budgets in Le Mans don't give the teams as much opportunity to develop new tech as they could in F1.
F1 is meant to be at the very bleeding edge of car tech, I mean it's called formula ONE for a reason.
I think it's unfair to say there is no space for innovation, Merc proved that with how they have designed there power train and so have Honda with the approach they have taken.
Red Bull proved it with the things they did and other teams will further down the line.
The problem is that the formula is so aero driven that innovation and design's that maximise aero make racing worse because it greatly increases the problem of running in dirty air, solving that problem should be paramount to making F1 better. I don't see how active suspension achieves anything other than increased lap time and increased danger...
The technology already exists, if car manufacturers wanted too or could put it onto road cars they could, they don't need F1 to develop it further...
If F1 was about the bleeding edge of racing and tech then every one would be running fan cars that pull 10g in the corners and that can do 300mph in the straights, and drivers would be killed in the same numbers as they were in the 60s and 70s.
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I think it's unfair to say there is no space for innovation, Merc proved that with how they have designed there power train and so have Honda with the approach they have taken.
Red Bull proved it with the things they did and other teams will further down the line.
Mercedes "guessed" the engine formula and developed their engines before everyone else did (they devised the turbo / compressor packaging in 2012). That gave them enough advantage in development to become domininant.
All it proves is that development time (to incrementally improve a fixed design) and money to throw at aero development is worth more than anything else in the current regulations.
And look where that Honda innovation has got McLaren...
This all supports my point that innovation doesn't get you results. Money and development time does.
The problem is that the formula is so aero driven that innovation and design's that maximise aero make racing worse because it greatly increases the problem of running in dirty air, solving that problem should be paramount to making F1 better. I don't see how active suspension achieves anything other than increased lap time and increased danger...
You talked about ground effect to make the cars less reliant on crazy aero that messes up the air behind the car? Only possible with either dual chassis or active suspension. Dual chassis increases unsprung weight, so active suspension remains the only way to do this effectively.
The technology already exists, if car manufacturers wanted too or could put it onto road cars they could, they don't need F1 to develop it further...
If F1 was about the bleeding edge of racing and tech then every one would be running fan cars that pull 10g in the corners and that can do 300mph in the straights, and drivers would be killed in the same numbers as they were in the 60s and 70s.
Car manufacturers can't use ground effect since they run on normal roads... which are not very flat like racetrack surfaces. AND they don't have the active suspension systems which would be needed to retain the accurate distance from the ground at all times which ground effect requires, since active suspension hasn't been developed to the point that it can be used on a road car, since it was BANNED in F1...
I think it's fine to have limits for safety's sake, but to make the regulations so strict that you can't even use a different number of cylinders (or ceramic parts, or a different V angle, etc, etc) in your standardised-down-to-the-millimeter engine is ridiculous.
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But they have to in order to make it competitive for the lower teams. Look at F1 in the mid 2000's Ferrari ran three cars and had a quali engine! Madness!
Active suspension has been tested on road cars;
I don't know the reasoning for it not being used, probably a mixture of cost and safety, but neither of those two things would be problems solved by F1. Road car technologies being tested in F1 is a nice idea, but realistically F1 cars are too far removed these days and all that work is better achieved by the WEC guys.
It's also ridiculous to call out Honda for being bad, they are a year behind, they were never going to catch up a year of development, yes R&D and money make a difference but you cant spend millions on **** and expect to get results. Not to mention the updates they have brought to the car and the engines reliability compared to say, Renault have been very impressive.
I think it's a little silly to say innovation doesn't get results, remember Brawn GP's rear defuser, Red Bull's too for that matter? Innovation is rife within F1, the problem is that innovation can be quickly replicated it then becomes the standard.
Ground effect cars don't require active suspension, they benefit from it for sure but it's not a requirement and they would run fine without it if needed in the future. Using ground effect has a goal and a purpose (allowing cars to run closer together and promote over-taking without aids like DRS), what purpose would active suspension bring? If all you want is super high end tech then do we also bring back launch control? Traction control? Where does it end?
F1 is a sport, a show if you want to improve F1 you have to improve the show, and given how good the show has been for the last few years the only things I think you could do to improve it, in the short term, would be to allow ground effect, bigger wheels (18" instead of the 13" 's they run atm) and harder tires allowing the drivers to push all race long.
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An example of what I was talking about with Honda's new engine;
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118626
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Sigh.... Ground effect is more dangerous than active suspension: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/
It allows the cornering speed to climb too high with too high a risk of losing the effect due to changes in body height or attitude or many other factors (like breaking a part of one of the skirts on a corner edge, etc), which makes it pretty useless for a road car, like most extreme aerodynamic tricks. While active suspension does increase corner speeds, the increase is nowhere near the amount allowed by ground effect cars.
In essence the primary benefit of active suspension is not having to "load up" the suspension when accelerating, braking or changing direction, which allows the car to be more reactive to the driver's inputs without losing grip. The pressure at the relevant wheel is adjusted to give immediate grip where needed. It does also mean you can gain a small amount of aerodynamic efficiency by keeping the attitude of the car steady in the flow, but with all the bans on underbody designs it won't benefit corner speeds massively.
It can prevent a car from going "out of control" in many situations where a standard suspension system would cause the tyres to lose grip. For instance, in a rapid left-right-left movement, the suspension loads up alternating sides of the car, but it's out of phase with the movement, so can make the car lose control. Active suspension loads up the tyres as the driver moves the wheel (it also takes into account the various positions and accelerations of each of the four corners of the car), allowing the maximum grip for each part of the maneuver. Improves safety. Banning it by calling it a "moveable aerodynamic device" was a bit silly. I mean the entire car is a "movable aerodynamic device", so why not just ban the whole thing.
"Active suspension has its roots in the row over ground effects and skirts in 1981 – and the controversial banning of the Lotus 88.
The teams were searching for means of running skirts down the sides of the cars to generate massive downforce as air passed underneath the car. An essential part of this was ensuring an even ride height"
Which is why active suspension or a dual chassis is essential for an effective ground effect car.
How about four wheel drive? Or McLaren's extra brake pedal? <- this one was completely driver controlled, so couldn't exactly be called an electronic driver aid like some of the other tech that's landed under the ban hammer.
Scenario: Team X has this new innovation that fits the rules and is making them better (and could be of benefit on a normal car if given the opportunity to be developed) - FIA: "Let's change the rules again!".
You say innovation is rife in F1... anything actually ground breaking? Anything that's not ONLY very specifically relevant to F1? Anything that will change the car you buy 5 years from now in any significant way? Like say, fuel injection or turbo technology, known about for ages (fighter planes in WWII were using both technologies), but developed and refined in F1 to the point that further development could be done by "normal" manufacturers and integrated into their cars. What was the last F1 tech to filter down and end up in a road car? Anything in recent years? Anybody?
The rotary valve design is a great example of a tech that could have been developed and refined in F1 and would benefit normal cars. Without the benefit of high cost, high speed development and problem solving found in F1, many technologies will either never see the light of day due to the prohibitive cost to iteratively develop them, or will only come about in many years time, when some technique or material comes to light that makes the development feasible. Active suspension has been tested on cars, but it's an expensive and difficult system to develop.
Even KERS, hybrids and efficient electric drive systems were pioneered by normal car companies before being added to F1 cars. It's all gone upside down.
Anyway, I think we can both at least agree that a little more leeway for innovation would be a good thing. Perhaps?
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Sigh.... Ground effect is more dangerous than active suspension: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/
It allows the cornering speed to climb too high with too high a risk of losing the effect due to changes in body height or attitude or many other factors (like breaking a part of one of the skirts on a corner edge, etc), which makes it pretty useless for a road car, like most extreme aerodynamic tricks. While active suspension does increase corner speeds, the increase is nowhere near the amount allowed by ground effect cars.
In essence the primary benefit of active suspension is not having to "load up" the suspension when accelerating, braking or changing direction, which allows the car to be more reactive to the driver's inputs without losing grip. The pressure at the relevant wheel is adjusted to give immediate grip where needed. It does also mean you can gain a small amount of aerodynamic efficiency by keeping the attitude of the car steady in the flow, but with all the bans on underbody designs it won't benefit corner speeds massively.
It can prevent a car from going "out of control" in many situations where a standard suspension system would cause the tyres to lose grip. For instance, in a rapid left-right-left movement, the suspension loads up alternating sides of the car, but it's out of phase with the movement, so can make the car lose control. Active suspension loads up the tyres as the driver moves the wheel (it also takes into account the various positions and accelerations of each of the four corners of the car), allowing the maximum grip for each part of the maneuver. Improves safety. Banning it by calling it a "moveable aerodynamic device" was a bit silly. I mean the entire car is a "movable aerodynamic device", so why not just ban the whole thing.
"Active suspension has its roots in the row over ground effects and skirts in 1981 � and the controversial banning of the Lotus 88.
The teams were searching for means of running skirts down the sides of the cars to generate massive downforce as air passed underneath the car. An essential part of this was ensuring an even ride height"
Which is why active suspension or a dual chassis is essential for an effective ground effect car.
How about four wheel drive? Or McLaren's extra brake pedal? <- this one was completely driver controlled, so couldn't exactly be called an electronic driver aid like some of the other tech that's landed under the ban hammer.
Scenario: Team X has this new innovation that fits the rules and is making them better (and could be of benefit on a normal car if given the opportunity to be developed) - FIA: "Let's change the rules again!".
You say innovation is rife in F1... anything actually ground breaking? Anything that's not ONLY very specifically relevant to F1? Anything that will change the car you buy 5 years from now in any significant way? Like say, fuel injection or turbo technology, known about for ages (fighter planes in WWII were using both technologies), but developed and refined in F1 to the point that further development could be done by "normal" manufacturers and integrated into their cars. What was the last F1 tech to filter down and end up in a road car? Anything in recent years? Anybody?
The rotary valve design is a great example of a tech that could have been developed and refined in F1 and would benefit normal cars. Without the benefit of high cost, high speed development and problem solving found in F1, many technologies will either never see the light of day due to the prohibitive cost to iteratively develop them, or will only come about in many years time, when some technique or material comes to light that makes the development feasible. Active suspension has been tested on cars, but it's an expensive and difficult system to develop.
Even KERS, hybrids and efficient electric drive systems were pioneered by normal car companies before being added to F1 cars. It's all gone upside down.
Anyway, I think we can both at least agree that a little more leeway for innovation would be a good thing. Perhaps?
I'm aware of the problems with ground effect, as with the fan car I mentioned before, but it would be a solution to help make the racing closer than it is at the moment.
Active suspension doesn't really do that and if you wanted to work on that dev work for road cars WEC would be of far more benefit as those machines are endurance and setup more like actual cars.
F1 cars are kind of too far removed from road cars, something that was always going to happen, as the sport got more and more specialized it was going to get further and further away from road cars, and it makes sense, I don't see it as a problem personally.
Like I said I'm still not sure what your goal is with active suspension other than to RnD it for road cars, that's not F1. KERS as you mention was great and I loved it and I hope it comes back along with other hybrid type devices, watching the Hybrid LMP1 cars is a joy, but then others would rather bring back the standard engines of old.
For me, the racing is all the matters and in that regard there are two issues;
>F1 cars are, at the moment too slow. Apex speed isn't that much different at the moment to a GP2 car, which for me is a huge problem. GP2 drivers should be shocked at the difference between a GP2 car and an F1 car, instead the F1 cars just have more power and a higher top speed.
>F1 cars can't battle all race long. I'm not sure F1 has ever had this, but I think it's something that needs to be introduced. The lack of refueling has limited strategies and made it so everything revolves around tire dmg and ware... this could be fixed with tires that can be maxed for almost a full race. It could also be fixed with smaller and simpler front wings.
These are just ideas.
I've been thinking about the performance problem with GE cars and I wonder if a hybrid type fan car could exist that had a fan, but the power of that fan was limited in the corners, reducing the cornering speed to something more realistic and manageable.
this post is a bit all over the place, but I tried to reply to your post and give my own thoughts as they came to me haha :D
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Y, I agree with your points.
But if F1 is not the place to incubate new car tech that can filter down, then which series is? Whichever one it is then needs to get more publicity so the teams have the money to spend on R&D. At the moment it's F1 that has the viewers and the money, so that's where the development should be happening. It's okay that the cars are very different from road cars, but there are a lot of areas that are applicable to, and can benefit road cars, such as techniques that improve efficiency, grip, safety, etc.
I do miss the strategies resulting from refeuling at pit stops. It made things much more interesting.
Torque vectoring, differential braking, active suspension can all increase cornering speed, but less than full ground effect (and safer). Torque vectoring and differential braking are used on some normal cars to good effect (some Audis have both). I just find it a bit ridiculous that you can have all kinds of stuff on your road car that is banned in F1. I'm fairly certain the best car designers could design a street legal car that can outperform an F1 car around a track and still be safer and easier to drive.
I think setting a max fuel flow rate (with no allowance for "stockpiling" in some temporary chamber or system) and opening engine designs would result in some interesting designs and ideas for efficiency (to get the most power from the given fuel rate) and make things interesting again from an engine technology perspective.
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Y, I agree with your points.
But if F1 is not the place to incubate new car tech that can filter down, then which series is?
without brutally cutting off your post haha it's WEC, plane and simple. The LMP1 Hybrid category allows for so many variants and layouts, all of which are more relevant to road cars and with the new Le Mans category (which the Delta Wing entered under) car manufacturers have more room to play and experiment.
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Active suspension was played with by a few companies near the end of the 80's / beginning of the 90's in experimental form (Lotus and Volvo being the pioneers), but when it was banned in F1 and they realised it wasn't yet ready for mainstream use in cars (too expensive and not developed enough), they dropped it. I'm sure that if they had been allowed to continue using it in F1 the companies would have continued to develop it and most cars on the road now would feature at least some active suspension components. It has a big benefit in preventing a car from getting out of control.
Even the LMP1 category doesn't allow alternate engine designs, they have to be reciprocating piston. Not to mention they have to have standard reciprocating poppet valves.
Torque vectoring is forbidden, four wheel drive not allowed, CVT not allowed, no instantaneous gearchanges allowed, amount of energy recovery allowed is limited, etc.
"Active Systems
Unless specified in these regulations and apart from engine
monitoring systems, any active system or function is
forbidden: chassis control, automatic transmissions, final
drive differential system, shock absorbers, suspension or
ride height adjustment, four wheel steering, etc. "
It's really not much better than F1 (the only improvement I can see is free arrangement of pistons and only a maximum capacity of engine). And it's harder to get viewers to watch 6 hour races.
Blocking technologies that can benefit road cars is not the way forward, in any form of motor racing. You're going to see more and more systems developed the hard way (by commercial vehicle manufacturers) making their way into racing instead of the other way round. Like I said, it's all upside down. And the car industry (and people who love car tech) is not gaining any benefit from the masses of R&D money spent in the top tiers of racing, like they used to up until the early 90's when the bans started hitting hard. It's insane.
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wut?
There is a huge difference in hybrid engines and the design and philosophies of the cars.
I'm not sure active suspension would have ever seen the light of day on road cars, to suggest that we would solely off the back of F1 is a huge leap to make. F1 banned it for a reason and I don't see any reason (within your arguments) to bring it back, it would add so much time that it would be mandatory for all teams, the increased cost of having to develop and make it, or buy it from another team, would essentially force out the teams that are atm struggling and narrow an already small field even further.
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Small amendment: From my understanding Nissan's LMP1 program where going to run an 8MJ hybrid system which was hoped to produce 2000bhp with 4 wheel drive, but due to development issues (getting the thing to work), they have had to scale that back to front wheel drive and only a 2MJ system for this year.
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Citroen, Volvo and Lotus were all developing active suspension systems for road cars at the time it was in development in F1 and some models of Citroen were even released with rudimentary versions of the system (Hydractive) at the time. Citroen continued to develop the system and the Xantia, C5 and C6 had models with versions of it installed and the DS9 may also when it is released, but the development and adoption I am certain was affected by the ban in F1. Competetion drives development at remarkable speeds, just look at aircraft tech in WWII, or turbo, EFI and 4wd during the early 80's where they were used in competitive motorsport.
The McLaren 12C has a form of active suspension and I'm sure other manufacturers will start to implement similar systems.
The benefits of a good active suspension system are numerous... Anyway, it's only ONE of the many useful techs banned in F1 and WEC and I was simply using it as an example.
In LMP1 the main engine is only allowed to drive 2 wheels. An MGU is allowed to drive the other wheels, but it is disabled if it drives the front wheels under 120kph, to prevent it being used as a traction device. So, true 4wd is banned, as is using any type of 4wd during cornering.
There are so many technologies beneficial to road cars which are banned in F1 AND WEC, but yet are present in commercial vehicles, despite this. Audi has torque vectoring with the faster wheel being driven with more torque during cornering AND 4wd with front wheels providing traction in the same vehicle. Jaguar has differential braking in some of their cars, the 12C and other supercars utilise partial ground effect (which is why the 12C needs a "z" bar to prevent squat at high speed from downforce), etc, etc.. The list is extensive.
This focus on hybrids and all-electric is great... If you switch your brain off and don't care to do any math. The energy density of batteries will never approach that of liquid fuel, simply because with a battery you have to carry all the reactants / electrolytes / contacts, etc with you at all times. With liquid fuel, half the mass is in the atmosphere and once the energy has been depleted, the resulting compounds are released to the atmosphere. So you only need carry half the reactants and even then, only the undepleted ones. Fuel cell is a more useful tech in this regard, since it allows you to only carry the undepleted fuel, like internal combustion, but then you have to also carry the conversion equipment that converts the oxidation energy to electricity, plus the motors to convert this to motion (and the fuel cells themselves need a lot more development before being usable in a production vehicle, particularly in terms of durability, cost and cold start times).
IMHO, a better, more efficient engine that can directly convert the oxidation of the fuel to motion is the most ideal. Best energy density, least mass. Of course it should also use a renewable fuel, but that's where the R&D should be going, not to all this hybrid / electric stuff. After all, a good portion of electricity is still generated by CO2-producing systems, so it's not really that "green" anyway, until all electricity used for these cars is generated by renewable means.
Alternative engine materials and designs should be the focus, but that's all hit a brick wall and I blame motorsport. Anyone remember the Polimotor?
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Anyway, I'm happy for Kimi and Valtteri for their finishes in the Bahrain race, especially after Rosberg's dubious overtakes early on and then cracking under pressure from Kimi later. Was quite boring up until the last few laps, though.
What's nice in WEC is the different car setups, with some being obviously faster on the straights (Porsche) and others in the corners (Audi). Makes for more exciting racing.
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It's not a rant it's a well reasoned and a bunch of good points.
But I think there needs to be a point at which technology doesn't drive the car. The problem with a lot of the advancements is that they took away much of the skill and ability of the drivers, look at the 90s when all the cars ran launch control, the start was a formality as the cars did all the work, the cars with the best systems had the best starts. The FIA has to balance technology with racing.
I don't really agree with electric motors not having a place in F1 or other motorsports, battery technology is very important to the future of almost all aspects of life in the present and future, weather that be cars or anything else. The technological drive for that technology is going on in WEC and F1 and I think it could and should make the cars faster and more fun to watch.
Imagine a higher revving more powerful engine like this; feature=youtu.be
powering a car of half the weight!
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It's not a rant it's a well reasoned and a bunch of good points.
But I think there needs to be a point at which technology doesn't drive the car. The problem with a lot of the advancements is that they took away much of the skill and ability of the drivers, look at the 90s when all the cars ran launch control, the start was a formality as the cars did all the work, the cars with the best systems had the best starts. The FIA has to balance technology with racing.
I don't really agree with electric motors not having a place in F1 or other motorsports, battery technology is very important to the future of almost all aspects of life in the present and future, weather that be cars or anything else. The technological drive for that technology is going on in WEC and F1 and I think it could and should make the cars faster and more fun to watch.
Imagine a higher revving more powerful engine like this; feature=youtu.be
powering a car of half the weight!
Whoa! That corner speed is pretty good :)
I agree, though. Launch control and the extreme traction control systems they were running were making the machine do too much work and not letting the driver do enough. That's boring, even in a road car.
Battery tech is useful, and improving it is fine, but I don't think the top motor sport classes are the place for it. Especially since it's not actually going to drive better battery development, IMHO. That's dependent on the guys in the research labs, figuring out different materials and methods at a nanoscale, not race engineers and I'm not sure throwing more money at them and putting on more pressure will result in breakthroughs coming much quicker. But I may be wrong. :)
Braking absorbs a lot of energy really quickly, so you need a system that can store energy rapidly and has a large capacity. With electricity you have supercapacitors that can store energy quicky, but can't hold that much and you have battery tech that can store a reasonable amount, but can't absorb it that quickly. Both are heavy, though.
I'm interested in pressurised air KERS. After all, you've already got a pretty good air pump as a main drive unit and the storage can be pretty light, although not that compact. Just have to use really good insulation so you don't lose too much pressurisation heat for when you want to use it again. Apparently Audi was working on a system in 2012 for their LMP cars, but they kept it pretty quiet.
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It's not a rant it's a well reasoned and a bunch of good points.
But I think there needs to be a point at which technology doesn't drive the car. The problem with a lot of the advancements is that they took away much of the skill and ability of the drivers, look at the 90s when all the cars ran launch control, the start was a formality as the cars did all the work, the cars with the best systems had the best starts. The FIA has to balance technology with racing.
I don't really agree with electric motors not having a place in F1 or other motorsports, battery technology is very important to the future of almost all aspects of life in the present and future, weather that be cars or anything else. The technological drive for that technology is going on in WEC and F1 and I think it could and should make the cars faster and more fun to watch.
Imagine a higher revving more powerful engine like this; feature=youtu.be
powering a car of half the weight!
Whoa! That corner speed is pretty good :)
I agree, though. Launch control and the extreme traction control systems they were running were making the machine do too much work and not letting the driver do enough. That's boring, even in a road car.
Battery tech is useful, and improving it is fine, but I don't think the top motor sport classes are the place for it. Especially since it's not actually going to drive better battery development, IMHO. That's dependent on the guys in the research labs, figuring out different materials and methods at a nanoscale, not race engineers and I'm not sure throwing more money at them and putting on more pressure will result in breakthroughs coming much quicker. But I may be wrong. :)
Braking absorbs a lot of energy really quickly, so you need a system that can store energy rapidly and has a large capacity. With electricity you have supercapacitors that can store energy quicky, but can't hold that much and you have battery tech that can store a reasonable amount, but can't absorb it that quickly. Both are heavy, though.
I'm interested in pressurised air KERS. After all, you've already got a pretty good air pump as a main drive unit and the storage can be pretty light, although not that compact. Just have to use really good insulation so you don't lose too much pressurisation heat for when you want to use it again. Apparently Audi was working on a system in 2012 for their LMP cars, but they kept it pretty quiet.
It's all about balancing the high end super tech and the insane costs with it so that more teams are able to take part and compete. Though I do feel that cars need to be faster and that the jump from GP2 to F1 isn't big enough. The last thing we need is GP2 drivers coming to F1 drivers as test or reserve drivers saying; "well the apex speed is about the same, but the power is incredible" ...we want them saying "holy **** these cars are insane!"
And yeah, Monza without chicances and a WHOLE ****LOAD of downforce = hitting it at about 205mph and not lifting
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I think the BBC have the best part of the broadcasting deal this year. The only race i'm disappointed they don't have is the US GP. And Monza I guess. But their negotiators did a really great job.
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Sky coverage is better though, teds notebook is awesome
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I just wanted to make my point about energy densities of different storage mechanisms a bit clearer, for those who think batteries are still a decent form of energy storage for transportation or simply for those interested in seeing some simple calculations and my thoughts regarding it (and a little info about KERS). Off topic for the thread title, but this is the Off Topic section, right? ;)
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Specific energy (MJ/kg) of competing storage systems:
Supercapacitor: 0.018
Li-ion: 0.36->0.875
Methanol: 19.7
Petrol: 44.4
Diesel: 48
Of course an internal combustion engine (and associated gubbins' to make it work) is a fair chunk bigger and heavier than the power cables, ESC and electric motor needed for electric power AND the electric motor system is a LOT more efficient, so let's do another calculation:
A 200hp electric motor weighs roughly 40kg (expensive, but very light), let's be generous and say the cables and ESC weigh 3kg.
A 200hp IC engine weighs roughly 130kg (Ford Duratec) and let's add a radiator and fan of say 20kg = 150kg
So if you allow a relatively small 200kg for engine and fuel:
157kg battery = 57.6 to 140MJ
50kg petrol = 2220MJ
And taking efficiency into account:
140MJ @ 70% = 140*0.7= 98MJ
2220MJ @ 20% = 2220*0.2 = 444MJ
So the petrol system has more than 4x the amount of useful energy. Even if they manage to double battery energy density (and theoretical maximum energy density of nanoscale graphene and other "super-battery" technologies are way overstated and overhyped, with real improvements likely to be less than 50%), it's still not going to be anywhere near the liquid fuel numbers. It only gets worse for the electric system as you allow more weight. For example, at 250kg the petrol system has 7x the energy.
A hybrid has the weight of both systems and practically all the energy comes from the fuel, the only benefit is improved overall efficiency since you can run the engine at its most efficient speed at all times. The efficiency tests for cars are massively biased in favour of hybrids (and give useless figures), since they allow full batteries at the start of testing and empty at the end and ONLY measure fuel used.
So if we can make a smaller, lighter, more efficient IC engine across its entire rev range (which I believe is entirely possible, but not using reciprocating pistons, energy-sapping valves and materials that can't take the heat and need to be cooled. Standard piston engines are horrifically inefficient.) there simply is no place for electric motors and batteries in the drivetrain of a car (except as starter motors, but this may be redundant depending on the KERS system implemented, which brings me to my next point).
"But what about KERS?" I hear you ask. Batteries can't store the braking energy fast enough, so some braking energy still has to be thrown away as heat (by using normal brake discs). Supercapactors are not ready for use in cars, and even if they were, the amount of energy generated in braking a car from 60km/h to 0 (same as the energy required to accelerate it to that speed in the same time taken for braking) would require a VERY heavy supercapacitor and there is a fairly large leakage current which causes self-discharge, but then again, all KERS systems lose energy slowly with the vehicle not in motion. A hybrid system with a high charge rate Li-ion or LiFePO4 main storage and smallish supercapacitor will do a better job than just a Li-ion, but not a whole lot better, limited by the capacity of the supercapacitor and how quickly you can transfer the energy to the main battery.
Air can be compressed very rapidly and stored fairly easily in a lightweight high pressure system. It can also be used for starting the engine and as a stop / start system. If it's insulated well, the heat energy generated in compression remains present in the gas and be used when expanding it again for acceleration. You can also use it to run any pneumatic systems you happen to have in the vehicle. Simpler and lighter than electric or flywheel, but not so easy to design and implement, particularly the valve system and safety mechanisms. I'm hoping Audi continue development of compressed air KERS and introduce it in one of their future LMP cars.
I prefer a "pure" compressed air system to the Peugeot / Citroen liquid / gas system.
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was the sound of that going over my head haha
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/williams-hybrid-tech-power-london-buses
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/williams-hybrid-tech-power-london-buses
Interesting. Thanks for the link.
Volvo have also been working on using flywheel KERS: http://www.topgear.com/uk/volvo/s60/road-test/s60-t5-kers
And of course the Porsche 918 has a flywheel KERS system co-developed with Williams :)
Kind of ironic that Williams use electric KERS in F1, though, due to packaging difficulties with the flywheel system.
I must applaud them for the way they're developing their technologies for other sectors. Of course it's part of their business model, but it's still nice to see.
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And now that we have a little break between races, what's your favourite driving game?
I'm seriously considering getting Assetto Corsa. And perhaps an Oculus DK2... maybe. Already got a G25 :)
I play Forza 4 a lot on my XB360.
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Ok well this is something I'm pretty passionate about see (http://w11.zetaboards.com/The_Cardboard_Box/topic/11113478/1/). I also have tried to do my best and give most racing games a good crack (bar iRacing because I don't have a wheel).
For my money, without question, the best racing game on the market at the moment is Gran Turismo 6. It's the perfect balance between sim and arcade game. It has a career mode and challenges that are enjoyable and that allow you to build up a massive collection of cars. The improved physics and library of cars and tracks over GT5 is pretty big, and the special Senna content pack is brilliant. There is also a lot of totally free DLC still planned for GT6 along with a GPS mapping course maker.
I have Assetto Corsa and I've been playing around with it since early access and to be honest, it's a ****ing mess. The AI is all over the place, in a GT3 event I can after a single lap pull out a 10 second gap to the guy in p2 but in an open wheel GP2 car I'll fall 30+ seconds off the guy in last place.
On top of that the car selection and track selection is pretty slim and the menu's and career mode is a travesty. It's a mess and from the early access not much has changed, other than the pretty offensive and hella expensive DLC...
everything else including forza just seem like dull casual games :/
I'm waiting for project cars tho
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I finally preordered Project Cars on Saturday, after being on the fence for many months. It'll be my first racing or sim game besides a demo of Trackmania long ago, I'm very excited.
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I see. That's quite some experience. I'm a much more "casual" gamer. I just love to drive, and since my favourite driving car (modified classic mini) is in a different country (I moved to Finland from South Africa) I take what I can get from my PC and XBox.
... Gran Turismo 6. It's the perfect balance between sim and arcade game. ...
Hehe. That's how I feel about Forza 4 :) It has better physics (suspension and tires) than GT5, at least IMO. In the limited testing I did at my friends place GT5 cars didn't feel right in the corners. Haven't tried any of the latest generation of console titles and won't be getting a XBone or PS4 any time soon, so Forza 4 and my PC are going to have to keep me satisfied.
I'm not so concerned about competetive play, as long as the cars feel right and there are some nice cars to drive, it's okay for me. I may have to give both Assetto Corsa and Project Cars a try.
I find it interesting how different people evaluate the graphics of these differently. I prefer the look of Assetto Corsa over Project Cars and think it looks more realistic, others say the opposite. I guess it has to do with the particular lighting / texture cues that you care about most. This is another thing I didn't like about GT5, the shadows / area lighting around and under the cars didn't look right and this broke the immersion for me.
If you or a friend happen to have Forza 4, I have discovered a fantastically fun (although sometimes frustrating) car to drive. Get a Renault 5 turbo and upgrade it to Class A... massive power in a mid engined, rear drive tiny, light hatchback. If you can stop the rear end from breaking free under power (although a lot of power slides are still mostly controllable) it's just a blast to drive. And the replays are often worth saving :D Managed to roll it once on a relatively straight, clear section of road ;)
Another favourite is the 1989 Toyota MR2 upgraded to Class A. Much more predictable and drivable, but can also get a bit lairy if you're not smooth. It's the one I drive for a tough class A race and it's important to win.
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I see. That's quite some experience. I'm a much more "casual" gamer. I just love to drive, and since my favourite driving car (modified classic mini) is in a different country (I moved to Finland from South Africa) I take what I can get from my PC and XBox.
... Gran Turismo 6. It's the perfect balance between sim and arcade game. ...
Hehe. That's how I feel about Forza 4 :) It has better physics (suspension and tires) than GT5, at least IMO. In the limited testing I did at my friends place GT5 cars didn't feel right in the corners. Haven't tried any of the latest generation of console titles and won't be getting a XBone or PS4 any time soon, so Forza 4 and my PC are going to have to keep me satisfied.
I'm not so concerned about competetive play, as long as the cars feel right and there are some nice cars to drive, it's okay for me. I may have to give both Assetto Corsa and Project Cars a try.
I find it interesting how different people evaluate the graphics of these differently. I prefer the look of Assetto Corsa over Project Cars and think it looks more realistic, others say the opposite. I guess it has to do with the particular lighting / texture cues that you care about most. This is another thing I didn't like about GT5, the shadows / area lighting around and under the cars didn't look right and this broke the immersion for me.
If you or a friend happen to have Forza 4, I have discovered a fantastically fun (although sometimes frustrating) car to drive. Get a Renault 5 turbo and upgrade it to Class A... massive power in a mid engined, rear drive tiny, light hatchback. If you can stop the rear end from breaking free under power (although a lot of power slides are still mostly controllable) it's just a blast to drive. And the replays are often worth saving :D Managed to roll it once on a relatively straight, clear section of road ;)
Another favourite is the 1989 Toyota MR2 upgraded to Class A. Much more predictable and drivable, but can also get a bit lairy if you're not smooth. It's the one I drive for a tough class A race and it's important to win.
Forza 4 is the last one for 360? I got a 360 pretty much just a week or so before the xbox one was announced and got the newest Forza and played with that and really didn't like it.
It looked nice but the tracks were silly and the way the cars handled at speed seemed pretty silly, it was so difficult to actual race at high speed that I just got fed up and went back to GT5 where I find the cars to be more reliable in how they behave.
From a graphics and sound pov the GT series is pretty weak, but then its aims have always been to model the physics as best they can and graphics and sound take a back seat. I think the audio is a real problem with the GT series though.. playing Assetto Corsa I just like playing it to hear the cars and how they actually sound. I have no doubt that Project Cars will be a better game than AC though. AC is an unfinished mess of a game that you spend more time setting it up for things rather than actually playing.
If I where you I wouldn't waste your money on AC and save that money for Project Cars DLC lol
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I still think the suspension and tires react more realistically in Forza 4 than GT5.
An interesting poll: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/forza-4-vs-gt5-physics.275742/
Another interesting poll ;) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/forza-4-vs-gt5-physics-read-the-first-post-before-contributing.226995/
You can trail brake in GT5 more than should be realistically possible without losing traction (so you can drive more "aggressively" in GT without spinning out) and the suspension doesn't damp quickly enough. Getting a nudge has more effect in Forza, too, and the damage is realistic, mechanically, if not visually. You can really feel the effects of loading up the suspension in Forza (and getting the balance wrong when changing direction). I feel like GT5 is more arcady, despite the effort they say they take to make it realistic. And then there's the car choices. More European cars and less MX-5's ;) One is enough for me.
The upgrades and tuning also work very realistically in Forza and that's an aspect I enjoy, tweaking an almost perfect car into perfection. I just wish MS hadn't crippled / nerfed wheel support, so I can't use my G25 properly with Forza. I have an MS wheel, but it really sucks in comparison.
I kind of agree that pCars is a better game, but I think AC is a better simulator. Project Cars is made by the guys who made NFS Shift and Shift 2. Assetto Corsa is made by the guys who did netKar Pro and some other simulation titles with that engine. The track surfaces and cars are more detailed and the physics is better. From what I've been reading the audio isn't as good and the AI kind of sucks, though. I really prefer the visual style of AC and the physics is more important to me than many other aspects. For racing against the AI and more options than just driving a nice car around a nice track, I think Project Cars would be better. So it really is a bit of a toss up between them for me. I may just have to try both, but my gut is saying I'd prefer the actual driving experience with AC.
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GT6 is better than both F4 and GT5 tho.. lol
ahh I made a mistake and put GT5 instead of GT6
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GT6 is better than both F4 and GT5 tho.. lol
ahh I made a mistake and put GT5 instead of GT6
Well.. except for the unrealistically grippy tires and the lack of lift-off oversteer and torque steer. ;)
Still, IMO the tire simulation of Forza is better (4 better than GT5, 5 better than GT6), which makes cornering more realistic, which is really the most important aspect to get right. Cornering just doesn't behave correctly in either GT to me. On the other hand, Forza 4 does have a little bit of extra slidiness that shouldn't be there at higher speeds or tricky situations, where a real car would either still grip or just let go. It's better in Forza 5 and GT6, though.
In the end it comes down to which one feels more like it should to you, and for me that's Forza.
I don't think either are anywhere near as good as Asetto Corsa would be with a 900 degree wheel, though. PC is always best for simulation.
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Fair enough.
I don't like Forza at all and its physics seem to be far too arcadey for my liking.
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One thing that is worth mentioning tho, because gt is made by crazy people, the proper tire physics are only enabled or can only be enabled in online lobbies. Something I found out when practicing for my online endurance series.... Makes the cars behave a fair bit differently lol
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And now that we have a little break between races, what's your favourite driving game?
I'm seriously considering getting Assetto Corsa. And perhaps an Oculus DK2... maybe. Already got a G25 :)
I play Forza 4 a lot on my XB360.
Only have F1 2014. Interested in AC though. Having a wheel makes it a lot more fun
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was a good race and it's awesome to see the power and speed of the LMP1 HY cars! And to give you an idea here is a GTPro car and an LMP1 HY car going up Eau Rouge;
https://twitter.com/TommyWTF1/status/594877567309602816
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Jesus, that is quick. They have different categories of cars in the same race don't they? Doesn't that get a bit dangerous?
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I had a massive post I just lost because chrome ****ing sucks....... but basically from what I understand there are 5 categories at the moment;
GT Am - Silver drivers in GT3/GTLE cars
GT Pro - Gold driver in GT3/GTLE cars
LMP2
LMP1
LMP1 HY - big boys (HY stands for hybrid)
And yeah, watching them race each other through traffic is epic and part of the appeal. Due to the drivers and the newer LMP1HY cars the 6hr races are closer to sprints than F1 races. But yeah, there can be big shunts;
both drivers walked away, how ever Ant did have to spend a few days in hospital due to back injuries.
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The sister series in America has a similar style of set up, with Daytona Prototypes instead of Le Mans prototypes. But those are a lot more dangerous as the safety standards in the US are a lot lower.
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I had a massive post I just lost because chrome ****ing sucks....... but basically from what I understand there are 5 categories at the moment;
GT Am - Silver drivers in GT3/GTLE cars
GT Pro - Gold driver in GT3/GTLE cars
LMP2
LMP1
LMP1 HY - big boys (HY stands for hybrid)
And yeah, watching them race each other through traffic is epic and part of the appeal. Due to the drivers and the newer LMP1HY cars the 6hr races are closer to sprints than F1 races. But yeah, there can be big shunts;
both drivers walked away, how ever Ant did have to spend a few days in hospital due to back injuries.
Ouch, that one involving McNeish was brutal. Managed to get all those people behind the barrier with stuff as well. Yeesh. No mirrors on those Ferraris then? :P
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I had a massive post I just lost because chrome ****ing sucks....... but basically from what I understand there are 5 categories at the moment;
GT Am - Silver drivers in GT3/GTLE cars
GT Pro - Gold driver in GT3/GTLE cars
LMP2
LMP1
LMP1 HY - big boys (HY stands for hybrid)
And yeah, watching them race each other through traffic is epic and part of the appeal. Due to the drivers and the newer LMP1HY cars the 6hr races are closer to sprints than F1 races. But yeah, there can be big shunts;
both drivers walked away, how ever Ant did have to spend a few days in hospital due to back injuries.
Ouch, that one involving McNeish was brutal. Managed to get all those people behind the barrier with stuff as well. Yeesh. No mirrors on those Ferraris then? :P
Yeah idk why but the Ferrari's seem to have an issue at Le Mans for moving out of the way of the P1 cars... lol
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Pretty good packaging. I wonder if we'll start to see the McLaren performance start to inch closer to Mercedes in the next few races. I hope so.
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Veeery nice! Plus, there's this:
Pretty good packaging. I wonder if we'll start to see the McLaren performance start to inch closer to Mercedes in the next few races. I hope so.
I think the best they will end the season is mid pack, with the Lotus... hearing from Mclaren that the aero isn't great isn't positive news when they are getting ontop of the engine lol
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Veeery nice! Plus, there's this:
Pretty good packaging. I wonder if we'll start to see the McLaren performance start to inch closer to Mercedes in the next few races. I hope so.
I agree with baldgye. I think that's very optimistic, but I do think they will end up ahead of Torro Rosso and Sauber.
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Veeery nice! Plus, there's this:
Pretty good packaging. I wonder if we'll start to see the McLaren performance start to inch closer to Mercedes in the next few races. I hope so.
I agree with baldgye. I think that's very optimistic, but I do think they will end up ahead of Torro Rosso and Sauber.
ahead of Torro Rosso, only when the Renault engine blows up :D
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Fair play to Nico!
Tomorrows race should be epic!
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I really hope Nico could win tomorrow :P
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Make your predictions!
I think Hamilton will pass nico on the first lap and sail off into the sunset but you never know.
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Race predictions?
Ham
Ros
Vet
Rai
Alonso to get a point
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That must have hurt.
This is the first time I'm watching F1 in like six years, I haven't seen a race since refueling was still a thing. It's good to see a Swedish driver competing, just a shame that he went from 9th place to 14th in a couple of laps.
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**** race.
Lewis kinda ****ed it up for everyone by bodging his start, then his team helped him out by giving him an awful stop.
DRS maked over-taking mostly a formality long as you had the right tires and engine.
Dull dull dull.
I feel bad that you chose this race to come back to f1 with, it's a terrible track. Monaco next up.... Yay.
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**** race.
Lewis kinda ****ed it up for everyone by bodging his start, then his team helped him out by giving him an awful stop.
DRS maked over-taking mostly a formality long as you had the right tires and engine.
Dull dull dull.
I feel bad that you chose this race to come back to f1 with, it's a terrible track. Monaco next up.... Yay.
Agreed, the top 4 finished in their starting positions, with no real excitement at any point.
Highlight of the race for me was the Bottas / Räikkönen battle for 4th in the last few laps of the race. You could see Räikkönen was driving on the edge of his tire's grip, fighting the wheel in almost every corner, whereas Bottas was just keeping cool, driving smoothly and not making any mistakes.
Poor Lotus jack man... saw he had an icepack on his groin after that incident. Ouch. I see Crash-jean is extending his ability, from team-mates, to other drivers and now to pedestrians. And of course Maldonado did his bit to keep his reputation alive, too.
When they had fuel stops it gave the teams much more scope for strategy, depending on how their cars handled when lighter / heavier, how they used their tires, how they're set up, etc. This is how Schumacher won a lot of his races, IMHO, simply strategy. Of course the car was also good, but strategy played more of a role than the differences in car performance. In fact you could compensate for the weaknesses of your car and play to the strengths with strategy, which minimised the effect of the differences between cars and in fact allowed for more variety in setup, etc, with teams putting more effort into one aspect over another where they saw they could improve their race with a new strategy. This fake tire stops thing (purposely crippled tires that can't last the whole race) is just not interesting, and certainly is not improving tire innovation.
In other words, Bernie Ecclestone and the FIA have crippled F1, making it irrelevant to the car industry, boring to all the target audience groups and stifling any useful innovation in the one area of motorsport that has the funds and brilliant engineers to do good research and development. Well done. I know, I know, I should simply enjoy watching the top drivers racing the top cars against each other, but there's really very little enjoyment left for me, sorry to say.
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Refueling was terribad, F1 in the early to mind 2000's was terrible. F1 is much MUCH better to watch these days than it was 10 years ago.
Spannish GP is bad, always has been always will be.
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Refueling was terribad, F1 in the early to mind 2000's was terrible. F1 is much MUCH better to watch these days than it was 10 years ago.
Spannish GP is bad, always has been always will be.
Really? Wouldn't you find it more interesting if some teams qualified with a light fuel load to get a better start position? We wouldn't see the same starting grid like we do practically every race nowadays. Like I said, there's not enough possibility for strategy in the current setup. You can't make up for a poor engine with better cornering, it's too deterministic. Best engine + decent aero = win. 2nd best engine + GREAT aero = lose. Car setup doesn't even enter the equation.
I would argue that Ferrari and Red Bull both have better aero packages than Mercedes, but it's their engines that are letting them down.
May I ask what the "terribad" part of refeuling was, in your opinion?
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Refueling was terribad, F1 in the early to mind 2000's was terrible. F1 is much MUCH better to watch these days than it was 10 years ago.
Spannish GP is bad, always has been always will be.
Really? Wouldn't you find it more interesting if some teams qualified with a light fuel load to get a better start position? We wouldn't see the same starting grid like we do practically every race nowadays. Like I said, there's not enough possibility for strategy in the current setup. You can't make up for a poor engine with better cornering, it's too deterministic. Best engine + decent aero = win. 2nd best engine + GREAT aero = lose. Car setup doesn't even enter the equation.
I would argue that Ferrari and Red Bull both have better aero packages than Mercedes, but it's their engines that are letting them down.
May I ask what the "terribad" part of refeuling was, in your opinion?
Refueling was bad because like you said, it was all strategy, no on track action. It made races a presession and dull to watch. Strategy is nice but it should be THE thing that wins races.
Quali was pretty dull and it didn't actually make it more interesting for the race, a bit like the idea with the tires and only the top 10 have to keep there quali tires on.
Removing refueling was the best thing the FIA/FOM have done in a long long time and the races that followed without it where much better than the ones that had refueling in. As someone who watched F1 all through the 2000's this is pretty clear.
Also if you look at the speed traps the Merc engine usually tops them, but Merc's work car is never top. They have the best aero package this season because the amount of aero and drag they are able to get while still being fast on the straights b/c of there engine.
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I beg to differ. There was lots of on-track action. With different stop strategies there was more overtaking, more leapfrogging, different car setups, etc. So you'd see a car better in corners fighting a car better on straights, you'd see a "slow" car overtaking a "fast" car due to lower fuel load.
It was more about the team than just having the fastest car, too. A good car combined with a good race engineer and a good driver and a good pit team, working consistently would win the season. Now you just need the best car (right now, just the best engine, because that compensates enough for other deficiencies) and the rest only needs to be adequate. It's boring to me.
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http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/24096/9847076/cars-beat-drivers-in-barcelona-and-a-wish-list-changes-for-2017?1234
it's hard not to like MB
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https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/599185537178603521
seems like the people in charge agree with you about refueling!
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So there is going to be an American team next year? Any ideas who's powertrain they will be running? I've heard they will be buying parts from Ferrari, but are they developing their own engine?
As for the refuelling, I'm pretty excited to see it again. I think combined with the new aero changes it will be quite cool, but it may only last a few years if it becomes too expensive.
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I was against it, after the news I wasn't sure if I was 'wrong' turns out, my original opinion was pretty valid; https://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/2015/05/15/another-fine-mess/
and yeah Hass F1 will use Ferrari bits for a year at least
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I saw this on the Formula 1 subreddit and it actually makes sense. I just hope that the refueling (if it makes a return) doesn't result in the track positions being too different from the actual positions.
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Problem is refuelling is the mega expensive way to bring back speed. The increase in costs for fuel rigs and then shipping all that extra weight around the world is massive.
I'm not a fan, I think the tires are mostly fine as they are, maybe being back the tire wars, maybe not. But increase the power and mechanical grip of the cars and force the aero off the front wing.
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Veery interesting....
Well, I for one welcome the refeuling and think it will definitely help make things more exciting and interesting, but would ALSO like to see improved cornering grip, through better tires and more downforce through increased ground effect use.
I don't think the ban on refeuling was the primary reason for the increase in overtaking from 2010 onwards. In 2010 they introduced more teams and more cars (more cars = more overtaking), 2011 saw the introduction of DRS. You can see the relative spikes in overtaking, with the introduction of DRS creating the biggest change.
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http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/05/new-ideas-for-f1-2017-to-undo-much-of-overtaking-groups-work/
It's kinda nice when your opinion is shared expressed by people who are much more knowledgeable and able to express them self's much better ^^
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http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/05/new-ideas-for-f1-2017-to-undo-much-of-overtaking-groups-work/
It's kinda nice when your opinion is shared expressed by people who are much more knowledgeable and able to express them self's much better ^^
Quoting from the article: "With cars of roughly equal pace, what is needed to overtake is an offset in either tyre compound or condition or a major difference in car weight at a given moment. "
So which of these scenarios do you think will result in a larger difference in car weight:
1. Cars with a full load at the start and almost identical fuel usage throughout the race (since they all want to optimise the same way, max power, but efficient enough to have fuel til the end).
2. Cars with different fuel stop strategies, so some will have just refeuled, while others will have half or one third left in their tanks....
As I said previously, it makes it more of a team effort, with every part having more impact on the end result. Perhaps David didn't like that Schumi had such a genius race engineer ;)
IMO, cleaning up the air behind the car a bit more by using ground effect will be a better measure than increasing downforce through high aero parts. That will just make it even harder to overtake. Sometimes I just shake my head in wonder at the decisions...
It's interesting that "road cars" have been implementing movable aero parts for a while now, like the dynamic wings on some cars and the individual panels on the Pagani Huhyuayayaurarara or however you say it.
Also, the ban on four wheel drive was instigated by the 6 wheel Williams. They had all four rear wheels driven and this gave them a big advantage in mechanical grip for acceleration, so of course they banned 6 wheelers... AND four wheel drive at the same time, even though with 6 wheelers banned, you couldn't replicate what Williams had done. Four wheel drive has always been a compromise between added weight, much more difficult packaging and added grip, so it wouldn't give a major advantage either way, but it WOULD help create more of a difference in the way a car goes round a track. So you'd see more overtaking and differences between car / team performance on different tracks.
These homologated into exact sameness cars are really not very interesting to watch racing. I think there is just a massive amount of things wrong with motor sport regulations right now. For instance, if you want to promote development of alternative drive technologies for improved efficiency / reduced emissions, having the engine designs so very tightly set is not the way to go. Even in WEC you have to use pistons and poppet valves and no exotic materials are allowed.
Pah, we need a new race formula with open technical regulations, and only limit the things that you really want to limit (such as top speed or max fuel flow or whatever), without resorting to ridiculous bans.
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The whole thing is a team sport, adding fuel, like DC said in his older blog, only reduces the role of the driver, it would cut down on over-taking because why run the risk of running a strategy that could cause a crash when you could avoid them on track all together?
Also, I was in favor of ground effect haha
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The whole thing is a team sport, adding fuel, like DC said in his older blog, only reduces the role of the driver, it would cut down on over-taking because why run the risk of running a strategy that could cause a crash when you could avoid them on track all together?
Also, I was in favor of ground effect haha
So, do you think we should put everyone in exactly the same car and not have any pit stops at all? That would make it completely a driver's race like DC seems to be wanting.
F1 has teams. It's not just a driver's formula, in fact the driver's championship is only one part of it and a part with a bit too much focus IMHO. I really don't mind if the role of the driver is reduced a little, although in fact I suspect drivers would find the switch to a more strategised race to be more interesting and challenging, not less. Right now the only real strategy the teams have is about which tire compound you choose for which section of the race... it's like a train going round and round.
With cars too alike, one team will naturally have an advantage over the others because the configuration happens to play into their strengths. With many possible configurations, teams can choose a configuration that suits them more.
The teams need more options in terms of gaining competive advantages against other teams. They need to have more scope for innovation on more aspects of the car. The cars need to be more different from each other, with some teams having a completely different configuration. If a particular configuration proves to be have a massive advantage, then (many) teams will switch to it naturally, it doesn't need to be stipulated in the rules. Some teams will, however, stick with the "poorer" configuration and come up with other ways to make it competitive. As I said previously also, different configurations will suit some tracks better than others. This is how to encourage innovation in motor sport. It needs diversity.
If that happened, I would actually prefer to keep refueling banned and let the cars run the whole race with perhaps only one stop for tires if needed.
As a case in point, how many road cars are genuinely benefiting from all the fine playing around with tiny aspects of the aero of an F1 car? None that I can think of.
Could cars benefit from more finely developed four wheel drive, or movable aero components, or active suspension, or alternative engine designs, or alternative valve train designs, or underside aero, or exotic material engine components (like ceramics, polymers, composites, etc.)? Hell yes.
Yes, I totally agree with you about ground effect. However, I still think the only way to really take full advantage of ground effect is to pair it with active suspension, and we appear to differ on that point.
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Sometimes, you go off on a random tangent and don't seem to make any sense... who said anything about making all the cars the same, who said the WCC wasn't important?
I wasn't anti-active suspension, i just didn't see a good reason for it to come back. GE should be brought back, to some extent, I just don't know how much and what is required, if AS is required to make it viable then it would probably jack the price up which would hurt the smaller teams (assuming refueling goes ahead).
I think F1 is fine as it is. Reduce the front wing aero, make the cars faster and distribute the money more evenly.
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http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/why-1000bhp-f1-is-dead-in-the-water/
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Well, I'm a grumpy "old" man with an axe to grind. I see F1 as a great opportunity to make things better for people through technical innovation and not just as entertainment, but having seen it slowly degrade into what it is now, a money-spinner for Bernie with very little value for anything else and having seen car technologies stagnate in the meantime, just gets my goat.
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Well, I'm a grumpy "old" man with an axe to grind. I see F1 as a great opportunity to make things better for people through technical innovation and not just as entertainment, but having seen it slowly degrade into what it is now, a money-spinner for Bernie with very little value for anything else and having seen car technologies stagnate in the meantime, just gets my goat.
I still think you confuse F1 with the LMP project...
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Well, I'm a grumpy "old" man with an axe to grind. I see F1 as a great opportunity to make things better for people through technical innovation and not just as entertainment, but having seen it slowly degrade into what it is now, a money-spinner for Bernie with very little value for anything else and having seen car technologies stagnate in the meantime, just gets my goat.
I still think you confuse F1 with the LMP project...
Said it before, will say it again: F1 has the money to do it, WEC / LMP doesn't. And F1 is meant to be the top racing formula with the most cutting edge tech / best engineering, at least that's how I and many others interpret "the highest class of single-seat auto racing". The opportunity is there and to continue to see the sport only as "entertainment" and not allow it to benefit humanity in any other meaningful way is really very short-sighted.
Look at what it did for turbos, fuel injection and traction control in the late 70's, 80's and early 90's. Our cars would not be as fuel efficient or safe without the development work done in F1 on these technologies during that time.
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Well, I'm a grumpy "old" man with an axe to grind. I see F1 as a great opportunity to make things better for people through technical innovation and not just as entertainment, but having seen it slowly degrade into what it is now, a money-spinner for Bernie with very little value for anything else and having seen car technologies stagnate in the meantime, just gets my goat.
I still think you confuse F1 with the LMP project...
F1 has the money to do it, WEC / LMP doesn't. .
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Also F1 is the top racing formula with the most cutting edge tech / best engineering. It also has the fastest cars and the best drivers in the world (bar maybe some WRC guys)...
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http://gpda.motorsport.com/
Have you say on the future of F1 with the GPDA questionnaire!
And as we build up to the Monaco GP it looks like it's going to be a dry race. Hell not even the GP race managed to excite much... let's hope for some rain mid way through the afternoon or something...
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http://gpda.motorsport.com/
Have you say on the future of F1 with the GPDA questionnaire!
And as we build up to the Monaco GP it looks like it's going to be a dry race. Hell not even the GP race managed to excite much... let's hope for some rain mid way through the afternoon or something...
Just did the survey. I like how it was advertised as "have your say on what you would like to happen in the sport" and it boils down to 10 ideas that you have to say if you like or dislike them. I can't stand double points. The same cars would also be stupid, but I like the thought of salary caps.
You gotta hope for something at Monaco...
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http://gpda.motorsport.com/
Have you say on the future of F1 with the GPDA questionnaire!
And as we build up to the Monaco GP it looks like it's going to be a dry race. Hell not even the GP race managed to excite much... let's hope for some rain mid way through the afternoon or something...
Just did the survey. I like how it was advertised as "have your say on what you would like to happen in the sport" and it boils down to 10 ideas that you have to say if you like or dislike them. I can't stand double points. The same cars would also be stupid, but I like the thought of salary caps.
You gotta hope for something at Monaco...
pretty much the same yeah... I mean some input is better than nothing.
I have low hopes for the race though, in a dry race the only thing that can spice it up is the odd crash, T1 pile up and mechanical failures... praying for rain!
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F1 2015 The Official Game Teaser Trailer
(http://i.imgur.com/LQ3eRl8.jpg)
http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/6483/f1-2015-teaser-trailer-and-screenshots
Good thing Project Cars is out lmao
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Well at least they have player models this time hah.
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The only thing I can't stand about Lewis Hamilton is that he's an Arsenal fan... Sigh...
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Well ATM he looks like he's on it, faster than Nico on every run by about half a second... Bring on quali!
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(http://i.imgur.com/6L9AItT.jpg)
Now that would be a hell of a quali result!
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One of the guys at work has brought a hacked Amazon Fire stick so we can watch it this weekend :3
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(http://i.imgur.com/Jtqd6ef.jpg)
BOOM!!!! ****ing hell yeah!!!!
Now that was a quali session! Now we just need for it to properly rain for tomorrow and we might have a hell of a race on our hands.
But gutted for Jenson, typical Nico ****ing up quali for a Brit tho
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BOOM!!!! ****ing hell yeah!!!!
Now that was a quali session! Now we just need for it to properly rain for tomorrow and we might have a hell of a race on our hands.
But gutted for Jenson, typical Nico ****ing up quali for a Brit tho
Managed to watch it and it was pretty good. But yeah, Nico ruining what could have been a saviour of a lap from JB.
Here's hoping Nico goes into a wall during lap one tomorrow.
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Had a fiver on a Lotus to retire first at 6/1
I was honestly surprised the odds were so high.
Edit: sorry, 6/1
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Unbelievable.
Un-****ing-believable.
How can you even justify that pitting decision??
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I don't watch any car racing, but my pops told me he drinks from 8am til midnight today due to so much good racing to watch.
What am I missing?
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It was intentional to gift the win to Nico. German team want a German WDC, they know he's not capable of it on the track so they have to manufacture it through the stops.
Amazing, it's pretty inspirational how they managed to intentionally throw away a 1-2 and take away Lewis's win. He was the best driver all weekend, did nothing wrong, wasn't under any pressure at any part of the race and bang, had the win taken away from him by his 'team'.
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It was intentional to gift the win to Nico. German team want a German WDC, they know he's not capable of it on the track so they have to manufacture it through the stops.
Amazing, it's pretty inspirational how they managed to intentionally throw away a 1-2 and take away Lewis's win. He was the best driver all weekend, did nothing wrong, wasn't under any pressure at any part of the race and bang, had the win taken away from him by his 'team'.
As horrible and as stupid as it sounds, that is probably the only explanation.
What am I missing?
Arguably the best single-seater drivers in the world.
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I guess I missed the best part. I'll try to watch the American stuff later, I suppose.
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It was intentional to gift the win to Nico. German team want a German WDC, they know he's not capable of it on the track so they have to manufacture it through the stops.
Amazing, it's pretty inspirational how they managed to intentionally throw away a 1-2 and take away Lewis's win. He was the best driver all weekend, did nothing wrong, wasn't under any pressure at any part of the race and bang, had the win taken away from him by his 'team'.
As horrible and as stupid as it sounds, that is probably the only explanation.
What am I missing?
Arguably the best single-seater drivers in the world.
I'm getting down voted to **** by all the Nico and Vettel fans on Reddit but how do you logic out that as a mistake?
>they knew for a fact that Nico wasn't going to pit
>they could see that Ferrari wernt going to pit
>they could see from the data Lewis has been picked up by the VSC and then the SC before he pitted, reducing his lead
>they could see Lewis had been faster than everyone all dat long
>they knew he had better tire deg than Nico because he wasn't under any pressure at any point
>they knew he had track position
>they knew it was the ending phase of the race and a max of 10-12 laps left after the SC would come in
They knew all this as fact, hell we knew all that as fact and we get hardly any data compared to the teams, yet they pitted him anyway.
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Niki Lauda was not happy about that decision.
It seems like it was partly Hamilton's call but his team should have told him that that Vettel wasn't pitting!
I guess I missed the best part. I'll try to watch the American stuff later, I suppose.
The Canadian GP is in two weeks.
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>fresh tires
>winning the race
>fresh tires please!
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that was fun to watch, I was like "what the ****? what in the hell that pit for??"
Even though I like Nico better, that was still a 1-2 winning throw away, and a 20 points lost for Hamilton, I feel bad for him actually
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Race was total ****, like every other dry Monaco, the result only made it worse.
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yes, the Lewis pit and lost is just the only notable point of the race, anything else was just as boring as usual
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There is no way that the Mercedes team were naive enough to think that LH could overtake Nico with even 10 laps to go at Monaco.
Everyone else is doing a one stop, you have your lead slashed by a safety car, and you decide to go into the pits. You always run the risk of having to stop for other cars, and that Sauber coming past him when he was leaving basically meant he was beaten by Vettel.
I just seriously can't believe it.
Race was total ****, like every other dry Monaco, the result only made it worse.
QFT
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What happened to Williams? :( Not a great race for Finnish fans. Is Kimi still using the old aero package and Vettel the new?
Watched the start and the end. Missed the Hamilton pit drama. No regrets, although I feel bad for Hamilton. Nico did not deserve the win and Lewis did not deserve the 3rd place.
Monaco is a good case for refueling. Without it, the final positions will be almost identical to the start positions. It's one where pit strategy has way more effect on the outcome than car performance.
I'm considering switching my race watching time to WRC highlights instead of F1 if the Canadian GP is another "train". IMO, WRC has better drivers showing some truly amazing skill. Could just be that the style of racing makes it more obvious, harder to make the skills visible in track racing, I guess.
Oh, and I started to do the online questionnaire thing.....
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/510/934/296.jpg)
I may complete it one day over a good coffee, but DAYUM it's got a lot of questions. At least the more they ask, the more accurately you can share your opinions, I guess.
"A small team's ingenuity would be better expressed with less complex cars, and more mechanical grip instead of the artificial grip generated by lots of downforce. And if we're talking about reducing lap times, let's not forget that 80% of a car's performance is dependent on the tyres. So let's go with bigger tyres, more efficient, with an aggressive look but a lot less sophisticated." - Alain Prost
http://en.f1i.com/magazine/13021-alain-prost-qa-f1-just-shot-itself-in-the-foot.html
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Anyone else notice McLaren got their first season points? Took me a while to realise :)
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Oobly for real, what the **** are you talking about?
Monaco is a **** race if it's dry, always has been always will be. Refuelling won't and never did change that. On top of that the Canadian GP is usually one of the best of the year and nothing like Monaco.
WRC drivers are the only other racing drivers that are at the same level as F1 drivers, but time trial racing and track racing are not similar in any real way.
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I don't mean to have a go or out, but really, sometimes you do talk utter nonsense lol
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Oobly for real, what the **** are you talking about?
Monaco is a **** race if it's dry, always has been always will be. Refuelling won't and never did change that. On top of that the Canadian GP is usually one of the best of the year and nothing like Monaco.
WRC drivers are the only other racing drivers that are at the same level as F1 drivers, but time trial racing and track racing are not similar in any real way.
With refueling:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Monaco_Grand_Prix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Monaco_Grand_Prix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Monaco_Grand_Prix
Without refueling:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Monaco_Grand_Prix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Monaco_Grand_Prix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Monaco_Grand_Prix
Look at the qualifying positions vs race positions. Where's the nonsense?
Used to be a time when F1 cars were these high-tech, mysterious amazing machines with top secret under-the-hood bits and pieces that mortal men couldn't understand. Now they're not. I've lost a lot of my interest in the sport for various reasons, although I still consider myself a fan. The cars are boring (from a technology / innovation perspective) and the races are boring. You say F1 has the most cutting edge tech, but I just don't see it. What is there that's cutting edge in a modern F1 engine? Gearbox? Diff? Suspension? I admit the aero is cutting edge, because that's about the only area that teams still have freedom to develop in. And it's the most expensive, so the less well-heeled teams can't compete.
In 2007 they had the whole tire fiasco (Michelin dropping out and leaving only Bridgestone) and the engine "homologation" freeze, so the cars were much more similar to each other (and forced to use similar strategies) than previous years. I do think reintroducing different tire suppliers and having wider tires to improve cornering grip will help the situation more than allowing refueling, in agreement with Alain's comments (he doesn't think much of bringing back refueling), and that refueling won't entirely fix the problem, but it will go some way to making it better. The cars need to be made more different from each other somehow, not outright performance, but having different strengths in different areas, which is just not really possible with the current rules. I guess that's what I'm most upset about. The rules suck and as a result the formula has become boring to me.
Hoping the Canadian GP will be more interesting. With a more driver-oriented track, McLaren finally getting points, Williams apparently having an updated package for the race and some rather ...exciting in-team dynamics in Mercedes it SHOULD be better.
It was intentional to gift the win to Nico. German team want a German WDC, they know he's not capable of it on the track so they have to manufacture it through the stops.
Amazing, it's pretty inspirational how they managed to intentionally throw away a 1-2 and take away Lewis's win. He was the best driver all weekend, did nothing wrong, wasn't under any pressure at any part of the race and bang, had the win taken away from him by his 'team'.
As horrible and as stupid as it sounds, that is probably the only explanation.
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Team orders, 2015-style. ;) I hope Nico starts maturing soon. He's really rather a git in my eyes, not that that should really matter in pure racing, but still...
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Without going through every link you posted, the first race you chose to highlight, the first two positions were unchanged from quali...
And your point dosnt stack up to anything I've said anyway, the race (this weekend) had a lot of position changes, hell Saits went from the pits to score points! But the race was still ****.
Idk how long you've been watching F1 but if you can post a single good and exciting Monaco GP in the dry that came after the teams stopped using a different chassis for it and then be able to make out that refuelling had any impact then fair enough, otherwise plz
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Without going through every link you posted, the first race you chose to highlight, the first two positions were unchanged from quali...
And your point dosnt stack up to anything I've said anyway, the race (this weekend) had a lot of position changes, hell Saits went from the pits to score points! But the race was still ****.
Idk how long you've been watching F1 but if you can post a single good and exciting Monaco GP in the dry that came after the teams stopped using a different chassis for it and then be able to make out that refuelling had any impact then fair enough, otherwise plz
Well, that depends on if you call a lot of retirements in a race "exciting"... there were more differences in final positions vs qualifying during the refueling era (especially in the late 90's), especially with different tire brands. If you like, you can do a statistical analysis, or simply look at the top 6 finishers in all the races. Lack of overtaking potential means a difference in car performance more likely results in a crash than on other tracks, so if you like you can use this as another metric.
Okay, forget the refueling. Let's de-homologate the chassis again... And bring in more tire suppliers and better quality tires. And open up the engine regs a bit, but keep the fuel flow limit.
Refueling does give you more scope for strategy and allows you to play to the particular strengths of your car, but there isn't enough scope in the rules to allow the cars to differ much anyway. Let's work on that first.
When I really think about it, it's the wrong regulation to change at this point. It won't make as much of a difference as they (and I) are hoping and will increase the cost AND environmental impact of the sport by a good chunk. I still think refueling is a good thing overall, in conjunction with other changes, to increase the scope for team strategy during a race, though.
Been following F1 since the early 80's...
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I think I can mostly agree with that. I wasn't trying to say refueling wouldn't bring more strategy, more it wouldn't make the racing better. Like I said I think F1 atm is the best it's ever been, I don't think drastic changes are really needed.
I do think the one thing that can and will make a huge difference to the sport however, is the fair and even distribution of income.
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BOOM and we are back!! The Canadian Grand Prix!
Lewis having some choice words about Nico (https://instagram.com/p/3hIdu3r08Z/)
and the full Drivers Thursday press conference (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JZPyMul884) featuring Lewis giving zero ****s and Massa and Max having some words!
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FP1 has started and after half a lap McLaren Honda has a gearbox problem, stuck in 2nd...
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGvtSySW8AAttbj.jpg:large)
Lewis beating Nico in Practice 1 while going backwards
(http://i.imgur.com/PErQ24l.jpg?1)
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Practice 2 was a bit more moist
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGwlMZgWoAA_Jjm.jpg:large)
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BEAST
(http://i.imgur.com/vXuCpFI.jpg)
kimiwtf
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cor-blimey gov'nor luks like it's guna b'a cracker!
(http://i.imgur.com/s1W150Z.png?1)
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(http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/hami-3.jpg)
Lewis bossed
Kimi ****ted
Vettel showed his ability
Alonso won our hearts
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I love the Canadian Grand Prix but imo this year's was pretty boring with few exceptions (Massa on Ericsson, Vettel's climb through the field, rodents on track).
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Yeah it was a dull race, Vettel kept it interesting but the race director for the broadcast was on form and total ****. We missed so much on the live feed because of his/her incompetence.
The best part of the race looking back though was how Lewis basically toyed with Nico, allowing him to get close but never close enough to do anything. He has total dominance over his team mate, it's insane really.
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My stream wasn't great and I wasn't really paying attention as a result, so I can't comment on the broadcast. Lewis had a great drive and didn't let Monaco or the moment in FP2 get to him. I was surprised to hear about all the fuel saving on his team radio, then after said that he easily had enough to fend of any attack from Nico. Mind games or nah?
I love this race because of how hard it is on the cars but it's too bad only Mercedes had the straight line speed once again.
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Just going to leave this here;
http://hasmclarenhondawonyet.com/
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I forgot to watch the race... Looks like I didn't miss much. Not sure I'm going to bother with the rest of the seasons races.
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Just going to leave this here;
http://hasmclarenhondawonyet.com/
lmao, that is good
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And after a small break for Le Mans F1 is back mother-****ers!
Results from Free Practice 1 of the Austrian GP!
(http://i.imgur.com/ZDX32nG.jpg)
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And after a small break for Le Mans F1 is back mother-****ers!
Results from Free Practice 1 of the Austrian GP!
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Two gearbox faults for Vettel. A look into the strain the push is having on the Ferrari hardware?
Also, Massa almost killed the Ferrari principle as well hahaha :))
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Well!! FP3 ended wet, so here's to hoping the track stays nice and wet for quali in 2 hours time!
Apart from that, Ferrari seem quick but I think Lewis has it covered and both Mclarens have 25 place grid penalties for the race. Still could be worse... I think
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Well!! FP3 ended wet, so here's to hoping the track stays nice and wet for quali in 2 hours time!
Apart from that, Ferrari seem quick but I think Lewis has it covered and both Mclarens have 25 place grid penalties for the race. Still could be worse... I think
Seb needs a new gearbox, people are spinning out left and right, but yeah I think Lewis will take poll.
With the way they have been qualifying, they will probably only be able to serve about 5 of those penalty places. So that means a 10 second stop and go for each of them probably.
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Sky Sports is so ****ing awful. Sorry, not sorry, but really it's terrible.
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Why what's up now?
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The pundits are awful, the features are awkward and inappropriate, and the interviews are either really aggressive (in standard Sky style) or overly informal.
I don't know, it just distracts me from the event.
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That was an interesting ending.
One hell of a spin for Hamilton.
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That was an interesting ending.
One hell of a spin for Hamilton.
Chyeah. Really strange end. I bet Lewis thought he had lost pole when span off, only for Nico to dump it too.
Shows you how close they actually are between the perfect lap and screwing it up. One tire on the astro-turf, and he's off.
Well done to Nico Hulkenburg though, P5 and splitting the Williams is a seriously great result for Force India, especially with Perez in the bottom 5.
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Brundle > all other f1 pundits and commentators ever
But yeah, shame it didn't rain again but a good result!
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Brundle > all other f1 pundits and commentators ever
Two words: Murray. Walker.
We're almost ready to race. Only just turned it on so I don't know what the chances of rain are like.
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HOLY ****
I can't believe they haven't got a decent angle of that. WTF.
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Had to watch most of the race on the way to the Airport, 4g is legit.
Race was pretty terrible from what I saw, Lewis for what ever reason had no answer to Nico. Bizarre one...
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Also Murray Walker is/was **** compared to MB. He got most things wrong, didn't have any technical or inside info and all his hype was mistimed or just in the wrong place. Crofty is better than MW, people just like nostalgia and remember him from the 'glory days'
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Had to watch most of the race on the way to the Airport, 4g is legit.
Race was pretty terrible from what I saw, Lewis for what ever reason had no answer to Nico. Bizarre one...
It wasn't great. The middle pack battles were good as always, but yeah, the front was disappointing, and the McLarens had an awful day as always.
It almost seemed as if Lewis kept pace for a while, then his tires seemed to drop off ever so slightly, and he disappeared. Be interesting to see what the explanation is that comes out of Mercedes.
Also Murray Walker is/was **** compared to MB. He got most things wrong, didn't have any technical or inside info and all his hype was mistimed or just in the wrong place. Crofty is better than MW, people just like nostalgia and remember him from the 'glory days'
m8. r u hi
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From Will Buxton's Twitter the Lewis's battle had three issues:
1. Early safety car stopped the early battle for the lead
2. Nico's in lap was slow and pretty bad so the team kept Lewis out for another lap in order to stop them coming out too close
3. Lewis's car has a new clutch (and has for the last 4 races) and has been unhappy with it and his starts since it was changed.
1 and 3 are what ever and more to do with being able to drive around an issue, but 2 seems like a pretty big issue going forward. Especially as they are now only 10points apart.
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From Will Buxton's Twitter the Lewis's battle had three issues:
1. Early safety car stopped the early battle for the lead
2. Nico's in lap was slow and pretty bad so the team kept Lewis out for another lap in order to stop them coming out too close
3. Lewis's car has a new clutch (and has for the last 4 races) and has been unhappy with it and his starts since it was changed.
1 and 3 are what ever and more to do with being able to drive around an issue, but 2 seems like a pretty big issue going forward. Especially as they are now only 10points apart.
Well the safety car was a pain, but for whatever reason, the Mercedes at the front when the safety car disappears, always seems to pull away from the one behind it within a few corners. After a lap they always seem to be over a second ahead. It happened a couple of times already this season and last season with Lewis, he just disappeared.
I did notice his starts have been poor, and it was emphasized by the fact that you are almost at a disadvantage in Austria with 2nd place on the grid having the inside line into the short run up to the first corner. Usually his starts are really good, so I don't know why it's taken him so long to get used to the new clutch...
The in lap of Nico's was slow, which explains the lock up on the way into the pit lane (I was hoping he would get a penalty or his brakes would fail towards the end lol) but then his first full lap out afterwards was like a 1:11 something, which created an enormous gap between the two of them.
A perfect race from Nico tbh, can't fault him. I don't think Lewis will win the championship this year. As much as I want him to. I dunno, I've just got a feeling that the winds are changing.
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From Will Buxton's Twitter the Lewis's battle had three issues:
1. Early safety car stopped the early battle for the lead
2. Nico's in lap was slow and pretty bad so the team kept Lewis out for another lap in order to stop them coming out too close
3. Lewis's car has a new clutch (and has for the last 4 races) and has been unhappy with it and his starts since it was changed.
1 and 3 are what ever and more to do with being able to drive around an issue, but 2 seems like a pretty big issue going forward. Especially as they are now only 10points apart.
Well the safety car was a pain, but for whatever reason, the Mercedes at the front when the safety car disappears, always seems to pull away from the one behind it within a few corners. After a lap they always seem to be over a second ahead. It happened a couple of times already this season and last season with Lewis, he just disappeared.
I did notice his starts have been poor, and it was emphasized by the fact that you are almost at a disadvantage in Austria with 2nd place on the grid having the inside line into the short run up to the first corner. Usually his starts are really good, so I don't know why it's taken him so long to get used to the new clutch...
The in lap of Nico's was slow, which explains the lock up on the way into the pit lane (I was hoping he would get a penalty or his brakes would fail towards the end lol) but then his first full lap out afterwards was like a 1:11 something, which created an enormous gap between the two of them.
A perfect race from Nico tbh, can't fault him. I don't think Lewis will win the championship this year. As much as I want him to. I dunno, I've just got a feeling that the winds are changing.
He will, Nico has had some good races and good results but I don't think that one or two good performances will win him the Championship over Lewis.
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It's almost time mother ****ers for the Silverstone Grand Prix in the Kingdom of the United!!!
Starting it off with the new Manor livery!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI7HXf9WcAAiHEE.jpg:large)
yay
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It's almost time mother ****ers for the Silverstone Grand Prix in the Kingdom of the United!!!
Starting it off with the new Manor livery!
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI7HXf9WcAAiHEE.jpg:large)
yay
Well that's actually quite nice. I hope they give the guys new overalls as well, because the all white stuff looks like they are just randomers walked on to the track...
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It's almost time mother ****ers for the Silverstone Grand Prix in the Kingdom of the United!!!
Starting it off with the new Manor livery!
Show Image
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI7HXf9WcAAiHEE.jpg:large)
yay
They put the names of everyone in the team on the cars.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI79CjVUAAAoIuj.jpg:large)
Some rule changes.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI7SC4eXAAAPusC.jpg:large)
McHonda will get one more engine this season, less pit-to-driver communication (starting from this year's Belgian GP).
The 2017 cars will have more downforce, be faster, and more aggressive looking.
The new proposed qualifying format for 2016 (https://twitter.com/thebuxtonblog/status/616661475277545472) sounds like bad idea. I get that they're trying to attract more viewers and all but qualifying should be about going flat out to get the best time without worrying about other drivers.
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The rule changes for 2017 have been talked about a lot. They want to make them 4-5 seconds faster than the current cars, which would only put them in the ball park of the 2013 cars, they should be IMO aiming for the 2002 cars lap times...
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Yay! The "new floor shape" piqued my interest. Sound like some good changes.
Kimi's not having the best of luck this season and if it continues this way, Bottas may well come 4th again this year. I really hope Williams gets closer to Mercedes performance with the new rule changes so he has a real chance for the championship next year (assuming he stays with them, which I think is likely).
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Kimi's been a joke this year, Vettel has made him look a chump
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the new car part sounds interesting, hope the Ferrari's concept could really turn into something
(http://www.grandprix.com/jpeg/misc/ferrariconcept1-lg.jpg)
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the new car part sounds interesting, hope the Ferrari's concept could really turn into something
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(http://www.grandprix.com/jpeg/misc/ferrariconcept1-lg.jpg)
The thing I don't like about this design is the rear end and the enclosed wheels, F1 cars should be able to interlock wheels, it creates opportunities for moves and skill that don't or can't exist in other series. Take Massa's move at Canada for example, he couldn't have done that in the car above as they would have collided.
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I don't like it either, the concept is like an example, the point is it's interesting to see a big change in F1 car design since the current one is turning boring and looks exactly a car skeleton that can race to the people who aren't watching the sport
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IMO they should make the cars look like the 2008 cars;
(http://cdn3.automobilesreview.com/img/formula-1-hockenheim/f1-hockenheim-lewis-hamilton-and-vodafone-mclaren-mercedes_6.jpg)
except making the aero less efficient, and giving the cars more mechanical grip. Would improve the speed without stopping or limiting on track action
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Oops forgot to post Free Practice 1 results!
(http://i.imgur.com/5rDMLbd.jpg?1)
Also worth noting that Nico's gearbox had an oil leak which had to be fixed so he missed half the session. But in the process after the car was recovered, Merc covered up the car in blankets which the FIA are now investigating
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Wind was more of a problem in FP2
(http://giant.gfycat.com/PassionateCrispHairstreak.gif)
Alonso showing the kids how to really rally
https://vid.me/t6hp
(http://i.imgur.com/t0l9vSo.jpg)
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IMO they should make the cars look like the 2008 cars;
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except making the aero less efficient, and giving the cars more mechanical grip. Would improve the speed without stopping or limiting on track action
The geometry of those cars were way too complicated.
Apart from the nose I like this year's cars.
The plans to reintroduce refueling for 2017 have been abandoned. (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/33378807)
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Formula 1 bosses have decided to abandon plans to reintroduce refuelling from 2017.
The idea was proposed in May but investigations revealed it would lead to a drop in on-track overtaking and too little variation in strategies.
It was dropped at a meeting of the strategy group of leading teams and officials on Wednesday.
Meanwhile, F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone is pushing to impose an engine freeze in a bid to make racing more competitive.
The 84-year-old's proposal is to impose an upper limit on the performance of engines and allow manufacturers who are not yet at that level to develop until they meet it.
The idea is to give Renault and Honda, who are lagging behind at the moment, the chance to catch up with Mercedes and Ferrari.
Mercedes are pushing against the idea.
These were just two of the issues to emerge from the strategy group meeting on Wednesday at which bosses have agreed to reduce driver aids so the role of the driver is enhanced in F1.
Mercedes F1 boss Toto Wolff said: "The racing drivers are the main cast of the show, so let's put more responsibility back to the racing driver.
"We want more variability and less predictability. In order to achieve that, maybe there should be less scientific approach to racing, and more the race driver responsible for his racing."
Some changes on this front are planned for as soon as the Belgian Grand Prix on 21-23 August.
"What is feasible for Spa we will do to reduce to the minimum," Wolff said. "Whatever is not feasible we will do properly for 2016."
By next year, information such as tyre pressures and temperatures and brake condition will be available to the driver on his dashboard but not fed to him by the team.
Bosses also discussed ways of changing the format of race weekends, among them the possibility of a shorter race on a Saturday in addition to the main grand prix on a Sunday.
Ecclestone is said not to be in favour of introducing a second race for all the field, but one idea that could be pursued is a race for third cars and junior drivers, with the best allowed to then take part in the grand prix on Sunday.
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IMO they should make the cars look like the 2008 cars;
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except making the aero less efficient, and giving the cars more mechanical grip. Would improve the speed without stopping or limiting on track action
The geometry of those cars were way too complicated.
Apart from the nose I like this year's cars.
The plans to reintroduce refueling for 2017 have been abandoned. (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/33378807)
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Formula 1 bosses have decided to abandon plans to reintroduce refuelling from 2017.
The idea was proposed in May but investigations revealed it would lead to a drop in on-track overtaking and too little variation in strategies.
It was dropped at a meeting of the strategy group of leading teams and officials on Wednesday.
Meanwhile, F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone is pushing to impose an engine freeze in a bid to make racing more competitive.
The 84-year-old's proposal is to impose an upper limit on the performance of engines and allow manufacturers who are not yet at that level to develop until they meet it.
The idea is to give Renault and Honda, who are lagging behind at the moment, the chance to catch up with Mercedes and Ferrari.
Mercedes are pushing against the idea.
These were just two of the issues to emerge from the strategy group meeting on Wednesday at which bosses have agreed to reduce driver aids so the role of the driver is enhanced in F1.
Mercedes F1 boss Toto Wolff said: "The racing drivers are the main cast of the show, so let's put more responsibility back to the racing driver.
"We want more variability and less predictability. In order to achieve that, maybe there should be less scientific approach to racing, and more the race driver responsible for his racing."
Some changes on this front are planned for as soon as the Belgian Grand Prix on 21-23 August.
"What is feasible for Spa we will do to reduce to the minimum," Wolff said. "Whatever is not feasible we will do properly for 2016."
By next year, information such as tyre pressures and temperatures and brake condition will be available to the driver on his dashboard but not fed to him by the team.
Bosses also discussed ways of changing the format of race weekends, among them the possibility of a shorter race on a Saturday in addition to the main grand prix on a Sunday.
Ecclestone is said not to be in favour of introducing a second race for all the field, but one idea that could be pursued is a race for third cars and junior drivers, with the best allowed to then take part in the grand prix on Sunday.
That's why I loved those cars... if you compare the 2008 cars to anything else, they look like ****ing space ships
I mean look at that ****, looks like something from another world
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Lewis leads FP3;
HAM 1'32.917 ROS 1'33.469 RAI 1'33.692 VET 1'33.918 VER 1'34.147
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Quali for the British GP is less than an hour away!!
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And Lewis has done it! Home pole position!
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That pole position puts him third ever of all time number of pole positions, behind Senna and Schummacher !
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10mins till the start! Remember all UK chaps, it's being broadcast live on BBC1
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What a race! Easily the best race of the season and a brilliant result! Get in there!
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Amazing race and a great result, the fans and support at Silverstone is akin to Monza and really shows that you might make a billion dollar circuit and city in the desert for a race and build the most amazing track, but it's the fans that make it special.
Hearing the roar of the crowd when Lewis came out of the pits into the lead was amazing, the sound was similar to being in a football stadium after someone's scored a goal, was really amazing.
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I didn't get to watch the end as the gf forced me out of the house to go shopping... But I saw it up until just before the rain arrived... I'm going to have to watch the last 45 minutes on catch up at a later date.
Really chuffed Lewis got it. Mercedes make up for terrible strategy in Monaco with great strategy in Silverstone.
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RIP Jules :(
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RIP Jules :(
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It was inevitable, tbh its good news for his family, now they can finally greve for him and move on with there lives. It's very sad to loose another driver and just shows that F1 still has a lot of room to improve safety.
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It was inevitable, tbh its good news for his family, now they can finally greve for him and move on with there lives. It's very sad to loose another driver and just shows that F1 still has a lot of room to improve safety.
Well, I wouldn't say good news... but yeah, like you say, they can start grieving properly now.
Now all we need is for Schumacher to recover and we can all stop worrying...
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It had seemed like there was no hope for anywhere near a full recovery for Bianchi.... maybe in a way it is for the best. There was an interview recently with his father who said he would have hated to not be able to live a full life.
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Just because you can't race anymore dosnt mean you're life isn't worth living.
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Just because you can't race anymore dosnt mean you're life isn't worth living.
"We had talked about it. He told us that if he were to have an accident similar to Michael Schumacher's, if he were even just not to be able to drive anymore, it would be very hard for him to accept it. Because it was his life."
- Jules' father in an interview earlier this year. (https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/3d41qj/bianchis_father_now_less_optimistic_of_juless/)
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Amazing use of a quote.
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Well, Kimi's season goes from bad to worse, and his front wing just dropped off in FP1 and he drove over it, red flagging the session.
And Perez rolled at low speed :eek:
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Yeah sorry boys I would be doing a proper weekend post but I'm on holiday on 3G ATM so posting images etc is pretty difficult, just super glad Rai1 has full live coverage for the race
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Looks like he had a rear right total suspension failure while going over the red and white kerbs.
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The times are pretty impressive and looks like Lewis is bossing it
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The times are pretty impressive and looks like Lewis is bossing it
He's basically one upping Nico on every lap, which is good.
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Alonso broke down in Q2 causing another red flag, ended up getting out and trying to push himself rounf the track before the marshals came, people screaming past him
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Pretty standard front 3, but Daniel Riccardo qualified 4th and Kimi 5th which is nice :)
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Lewis bosses the whole weekend thus far; fastest in every sector in every session, and half a second on his team mate. Boss.
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DAMMIT
I feel bad for Kimi, and Rosberg
**** Hamilton
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Why do you feel bad for Kimi and Nico? Both were slow, massively compared to there team mates, and Nico 'did a Lewis' and drove into Ric...
It was a great race, it's a shame Lewis has some sort of stroke before the race as he had two very good chances of winning the race that he totally ****ed up. It was though a great race for Alonso with p5, which almost seemed like a possible podium with the amount of madness going on after the restart!
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That was a great race!
Points for McHonda and Ericsson :p
It's a shame that Kimi's car screwed up :( He was doing so well
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Why do you feel bad for Kimi and Nico? Both were slow, massively compared to there team mates, and Nico 'did a Lewis' and drove into Ric...
It was a great race, it's a shame Lewis has some sort of stroke before the race as he had two very good chances of winning the race that he totally ****ed up. It was though a great race for Alonso with p5, which almost seemed like a possible podium with the amount of madness going on after the restart!
Kimi deserved the race, he just got bad luck, again
Nico, well he got on the mid tires all the time, I don't know why but I felt he must've gotten better if they go with soft after the 2nd pit, and it was bad because he lost the chance to chasing after HAM in the championship race. It's not everyday you see HAM **** up his race himself.
It was sad for me to watch this, but it was the best race in 2015 so far.
And don't forget about Maldonado :))
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Wow, carbon fibre everywhere. What carnage! Lots of fiddly aero bits broken off during the race, either through impacts or just coming off on their own, including two front wing failures during the weekend with the car driving over the wing.
Quite an interesting race, although I'm disappointed for Kimi and Valtteri, both out of the points through no fault of their own. Nice for Ricciardo to get a podium. And Alonso AND Button both in the points! I do feel Hamilton was a bit "pushy" in some corner exits and did a spot of "ungentlemanly" driving, but that only stands out for me as an exception to his normal style and no more than other drivers were doing.
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Why do you feel bad for Kimi and Nico? Both were slow, massively compared to there team mates, and Nico 'did a Lewis' and drove into Ric...
It was a great race, it's a shame Lewis has some sort of stroke before the race as he had two very good chances of winning the race that he totally ****ed up. It was though a great race for Alonso with p5, which almost seemed like a possible podium with the amount of madness going on after the restart!
Kimi deserved the race, he just got bad luck, again
Nico, well he got on the mid tires all the time, I don't know why but I felt he must've gotten better if they go with soft after the 2nd pit, and it was bad because he lost the chance to chasing after HAM in the championship race. It's not everyday you see HAM **** up his race himself.
It was sad for me to watch this, but it was the best race in 2015 so far.
And don't forget about Maldonado :))
What did Kimi deserve? Vettel pulled out a massive lead over him in the same car and managed the gap, without the sc and without kimi's problem the best he could have ever hoped for was p2... He was slow. I feel the same about Nico really, Lewis (despite his best efforts) was faster than Nico at every stage of the weekend. As far as Nico and Kimi go I feel like they had horrible races, worse so than Lewis (which is something in its self).
I'm still gutted about Lewis ****ing the restart, he would have won that race, but he got lucky with Nico and retains his lead as we venture into ANOTHER huge break...
Really starting to feel like following the WEC series with a bloody two month gap between races...
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Why do you feel bad for Kimi and Nico? Both were slow, massively compared to there team mates, and Nico 'did a Lewis' and drove into Ric...
It was a great race, it's a shame Lewis has some sort of stroke before the race as he had two very good chances of winning the race that he totally ****ed up. It was though a great race for Alonso with p5, which almost seemed like a possible podium with the amount of madness going on after the restart!
Kimi deserved the race, he just got bad luck, again
Nico, well he got on the mid tires all the time, I don't know why but I felt he must've gotten better if they go with soft after the 2nd pit, and it was bad because he lost the chance to chasing after HAM in the championship race. It's not everyday you see HAM **** up his race himself.
It was sad for me to watch this, but it was the best race in 2015 so far.
And don't forget about Maldonado :))
What did Kimi deserve? Vettel pulled out a massive lead over him in the same car and managed the gap, without the sc and without kimi's problem the best he could have ever hoped for was p2... He was slow. I feel the same about Nico really, Lewis (despite his best efforts) was faster than Nico at every stage of the weekend. As far as Nico and Kimi go I feel like they had horrible races, worse so than Lewis (which is something in its self).
I'm still gutted about Lewis ****ing the restart, he would have won that race, but he got lucky with Nico and retains his lead as we venture into ANOTHER huge break...
Really starting to feel like following the WEC series with a bloody two month gap between races...
So Kimi didn't deserve podium? Man he sure cant win because clearly Vettel was brilliant the whole time, but podium, no? He managed the gap with Nico quite well before SC and some error happened to his car, I don't think it's Kimi's fault the car broke, I remember his engineer team keep sorry him repeatedly over the radio.
As for Nico, it was a terrible few last lap and terrible tires strategy, he clearly would lost 2nd place to Ric, Ric on soft is just simply faster than him, but 3rd is still a good place.
And now top 3 is all 21 points from eachother
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A mean a podium is fine, but 2nd place is only the first looser and it's not like Kimi is battling Seb for the title. Kimi was able to manage the gap because Nico was slow.
Vettel did a good job, better than most this weekend but he wasn't particularly brilliant, if anything it was more of the old Vettel most people hated (when he drove for RB).
but as for Kimi, he's a been a joke and Vettel has made him look a rank amateur. If you compare them to what people say about Nico and Lewis, soon as Nico gets a couple of worse results to Lewis everyone or a large portion of people say "he's had it" etc but he comes back, Kimi never had it, hell he's only a world champion because Ron Denis couldn't control a rookie and a Alonso and prevent them from taking on track revenge against each other.
I think and hope Kimi is done, he had some good performances at Lotus since his return but other than that he's been totally average. His team mates at Ferrari (both Alonso and Vettel) have made him look incompetent and weekend after weekend he further proves that he can't adapt to the new cars and can't help Ferrari in the constructors much.
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A mean a podium is fine, but 2nd place is only the first looser and it's not like Kimi is battling Seb for the title. Kimi was able to manage the gap because Nico was slow.
Vettel did a good job, better than most this weekend but he wasn't particularly brilliant, if anything it was more of the old Vettel most people hated (when he drove for RB).
but as for Kimi, he's a been a joke and Vettel has made him look a rank amateur. If you compare them to what people say about Nico and Lewis, soon as Nico gets a couple of worse results to Lewis everyone or a large portion of people say "he's had it" etc but he comes back, Kimi never had it, hell he's only a world champion because Ron Denis couldn't control a rookie and a Alonso and prevent them from taking on track revenge against each other.
I think and hope Kimi is done, he had some good performances at Lotus since his return but other than that he's been totally average. His team mates at Ferrari (both Alonso and Vettel) have made him look incompetent and weekend after weekend he further proves that he can't adapt to the new cars and can't help Ferrari in the constructors much.
Geez, whatever did Kimi do to you? That's some pretty nasty stuff to say.
Consider for instance Suzuka 2005 (starts 17th finishes 2nd), Spa 2009 (great racing, great win), Spa 2012 (awesome overtake on Schumi), Abu Dhabi 2012 ("shut up, I know what I'm doing" and wins the race in a Lotus), etc. He's a great driver who's driven almost flawlessly all season and has had a whole lot of bad luck (mechanical failures, other drivers hitting him, etc). Can you name one race he has truly driven poorly on? He certainly doesn't deserve to be insulted like that.
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I'm at the beach at the moment on holiday so I can't go diving around for specific examples, but like I said, this season Vettel has bossed him, last season Alonso bossed him. The only specific example of him driving horribly that I can think of from this year would be Canada where he managed to spin all by himself in the same place he did the same thing last year.
I'm not trying to personally insult him, but he's been horrible for someone racing at the apex of Motorsport and at one of the top teams. He should be a match for Vettel, instead he looks like an amateur
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Maybe I was a little harsh haha but I get fed up of Kimi fans and excuses for his poor performance. His year at Lotus in 2012 was a strong performance but given his team mate it's not really clear if he was sitting on some brilliant car or not.
Last year and this he's been teamed up against the top of the line drivers: Alonso, widely regarded as the best driver of this generation and Vettel, a 4x world champion who's proven himself against most of his haters. And instead of rising to the challenge (like Nico did vs Schumy and Lewis) he's fallen apart.
I mostly hope he goes because Bottas or someone of similar ability would do a much better job and would provide far more exciting races.
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Okay, no worries. I do get that. And I am happy that Bottas is ahead of him in points, I really think he's a future champ. I'd be even happier if Bottas got ahead of Vettel, too, but that's not likely considering the points difference ;)
Kimi has quite a different style to Vettel, he tends to put less input in, both in steering and throttle, which is good for tyre wear and efficiency of the car, but not for keeping heat in the tires. This bit him in Austria where he just had no grip. And yes, his spin in Canada was his own fault... That's the one I forgot to watch, so it didn't come to mind.
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Yeah Austria is a good example actually, everyone would be struggling for grip off the start and for reasons known only to him he dropped it coming out of t3.
I was trying to think of a better way to compare the Ferrari drivers to the Merc ones and Austria is a good example. Lewis was slower than Nico all weekend bar that one lap in quali and in the race Nico's pace showed as Lewis was unable to match him. This would be considered by most people to be a bad weekend for Lewis, to finish second to his team mate, yet for Kimi to do the same is considered a good effort. It's double standards for a second rate driver.
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Canal+ Onboard race recap!
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AND WE ARE BACK FOR THE BUILD UP TO THE GREATEST RACE OF THEM ALL
THE SPA FRANCORCHAMPS GRAND PRIX
Already the news is that Kimi is to stay at Ferrari for 2016 (https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/634035359245041664?s=09), thus ending silly season.
Also Nico's got a jet on standby for the possible birth of his child which was due on Tues (http://www.grandprix247.com/2015/08/20/jet-on-standby-for-rosberg-baby-birth/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter), wonder if he would skip the race to be with his wife...
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AND WE ARE BACK FOR THE BUILD UP TO THE GREATEST RACE OF THEM ALL
THE SPA FRANCORCHAMPS GRAND PRIX
Already the news is that Kimi is to stay at Ferrari for 2016 (https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/634035359245041664?s=09), thus ending silly season.
Also Nico's got a jet on standby for the possible birth of his child which was due on Tues (http://www.grandprix247.com/2015/08/20/jet-on-standby-for-rosberg-baby-birth/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter), wonder if he would skip the race to be with his wife...
I don't think he would do that. Although who knows what the Ferrari, Williams and McLaren engineers have got up to over the last few weeks. I think if he gets a podium, he will stay for that then disappear. But I don't think he will skip any part of the race weekend to be with her.
I don't think I'm going to be able to watch it because my gf hates it and it's one of the only weekends I have with her this month. I may have to watch it on Monday if it's on the BBC...
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gf hates it
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gf hates it
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And she thinks my beard is bad. Wait until she sees Will Stevens's...
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Sucks you'll miss the race though. My gf isn't s fan but dosnt mind me taking a few hours every other Sunday or what ever it is to watch it, I think you need to have words ;) haha
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Sucks you'll miss the race though. My gf isn't s fan but dosnt mind me taking a few hours every other Sunday or what ever it is to watch it, I think you need to have words ;) haha
Yeah, I've said that to her before, that I don't watch much sport, and it's only a couple of hours like 10 Sundays a year, but I only get two weekends a month that I'm free, and she spends a lot of time during the week away, so I take her point, but it is a bit annoying having to steer clear of the news until I watch the race.
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Sucks you'll miss the race though. My gf isn't s fan but dosnt mind me taking a few hours every other Sunday or what ever it is to watch it, I think you need to have words ;) haha
Yeah, I've said that to her before, that I don't watch much sport, and it's only a couple of hours like 10 Sundays a year, but I only get two weekends a month that I'm free, and she spends a lot of time during the week away, so I take her point, but it is a bit annoying having to steer clear of the news until I watch the race.
Yeah that sucks, but it sucks to have to work weekends so I guess yeah lol.. anyway Practice 1 is just about to start!
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Oh and Kat I'll hide spoilers for Quali and the race in this thread
Watching practice 1, holy **** I had forgotten how fast these things are! It's like watching a normal prototype in fastforward god damn
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Oh and Kat I'll hide spoilers for Quali and the race in this thread
Watching practice 1, holy **** I had forgotten how fast these things are! It's like watching a normal prototype in fastforward god damn
Thanks dude :)
I'm watching the practice session now, the new rear wing for Mercedes is pretty crazy. Also Maldonado is single handedly bankrupting the Lotus team.
I forgot how pretty a track Spa was.
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Sucks you'll miss the race though. My gf isn't s fan but dosnt mind me taking a few hours every other Sunday or what ever it is to watch it, I think you need to have words ;) haha
Yeah, I've said that to her before, that I don't watch much sport, and it's only a couple of hours like 10 Sundays a year, but I only get two weekends a month that I'm free, and she spends a lot of time during the week away, so I take her point, but it is a bit annoying having to steer clear of the news until I watch the race.
I feel for you. I have a problem when I want to watch the higlights packages on the normal tv channels. They tend to put them on immediately after showing the sports news, so I have to time it perfectly or I end up seeing the results immediately before the race or I miss the start...
Spa is a great track :D Let's see how the cars have developed over the break.
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I don't even know what went on there. It looked like his rear left hit the astroturf, but that's about all I could see.
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I don't even know what went on there. It looked like his rear left hit the astroturf, but that's about all I could see.
From what I could tell, he put too much throttle in and got massive wheel spin on corner entry and then didn't back out soon enough. Bearing in mind he was in 5th gear, and still got wheel spin... these cars lol
FP1 Results
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And this is why I watch practice. Lots of crashes!
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>went to get lunch at the start of FP2
>well not much will happen given that FP1 was fairly mundane, I can go now and wait for the long run times at the end
>get back
>fffuuuuu
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>went to get lunch at the start of FP2
>well not much will happen given that FP1 was fairly mundane, I can go now and wait for the long run times at the end
>get back
>fffuuuuu
This isn't going to be good for Pirelli if the tires give up. Did they give any indication on how long Nico had been running on those tires?
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FP2 Results
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Quali spoilers;
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HOLY ****ING **** THE PACE OF THE MERCS GOD DAMN
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Lewis barebacked Nico holy ****
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Well it was a pretty dull race with an exciting end, super happy for Roman to get a second podium, he had a great race and the team did a good job. Shame the rain didn't come and make it a bit more fun to watch, but holy **** the Merc's are in a class of there own
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Was very happily surprised with Bottas's 3rd place start, but not very surprised with his race result, considering the overall pace of the Williams cars throughout the weekend. I thought Kimi did well to get his points after the quali disaster, but I bet both drivers are at least a little upset with Ferrari after this weekend, with the team telling Vettel "your tyres are good to the end" and then what happened...
Holy smokes, Grosjean was on fire, though, and Kvyat was driving aggressively. Overall a good race in my book, especially at the end with a stream of cars battling for 4th to 9th positions.
Hats off to Grosjean, Kvyat and Perez for their performance. Disappointed for Hülkenberg, looked like he had good pace was destined for some points before his "non-start".
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Not too bad, but overall I'm not really that happy I waited to watch the race in it's entirety. The start was good as ever, funny to see Rosberg down in 5th, I honestly thought it would make for an interesting podium, but that wasn't really the case. Yeah Grosjean was good, but if Ferrari had gone for a two stop with Seb, I think he would have been an easy third.
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Not too bad, but overall I'm not really that happy I waited to watch the race in it's entirety. The start was good as ever, funny to see Rosberg down in 5th, I honestly thought it would make for an interesting podium, but that wasn't really the case. Yeah Grosjean was good, but if Ferrari had gone for a two stop with Seb, I think he would have been an easy third.
Apparently if they had done another stop they wouldn't have gotten a podium.
What was apparent though was that the Merc's are in a class of one at the moment. Nico dropped to 5th, struggled to come back through the field on track, but in the stops made it back up to 2nd on raw pace, madness.
Also near the end of the race both Merc's had some power issues, yet were still lapping faster than anyone else.
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Apparently if they had done another stop they wouldn't have gotten a podium.
What was apparent though was that the Merc's are in a class of one at the moment. Nico dropped to 5th, struggled to come back through the field on track, but in the stops made it back up to 2nd on raw pace, madness.
Also near the end of the race both Merc's had some power issues, yet were still lapping faster than anyone else.
This is F1's continual problem, The car factor outweighs the driver factor, making it a manufacturers competition and not a drivers competition. Its rooted in the concept that F1 should be at the pinnacle of motorsport technology, which leads to the arms race we have now. The percentage diffference in car performance out weighs the percentage difference in driver skill. There is no easy answer, and its a problem that isn't isolated to F1, but with F1's audience it garners a lot of attention. I still watch F1 on and off, but its to see the what happens in the middle of the field, because the winner is really not in play unless something unforseen happens. Even TV coverage acknowledges this. The only time you see the leaders is when there is a pit stop or a problem.
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Apparently if they had done another stop they wouldn't have gotten a podium.
What was apparent though was that the Merc's are in a class of one at the moment. Nico dropped to 5th, struggled to come back through the field on track, but in the stops made it back up to 2nd on raw pace, madness.
Also near the end of the race both Merc's had some power issues, yet were still lapping faster than anyone else.
This is F1's continual problem, The car factor outweighs the driver factor, making it a manufacturers competition and not a drivers competition. Its rooted in the concept that F1 should be at the pinnacle of motorsport technology, which leads to the arms race we have now. The percentage diffference in car performance out weighs the percentage difference in driver skill. There is no easy answer, and its a problem that isn't isolated to F1, but with F1's audience it garners a lot of attention. I still watch F1 on and off, but its to see the what happens in the middle of the field, because the winner is really not in play unless something unforseen happens. Even TV coverage acknowledges this. The only time you see the leaders is when there is a pit stop or a problem.
What you said though, is largely bollocks. The last time a team was as dominating as Merc are being at the moment was in the 1980's with McLaren.
F1 is a team sport, but to say the drivers make little difference is either you not understanding the drivers/sport or talking nonsense again. The end of the V8 era saw this year after year with Ferrari and Alonso. Alonso was able to take the ****box that was pretty much every Ferrari post 2010 and challenge for the title with it. His performances in 2011/2012 are some of the most impressive examples of a driver out-driving the car you're ever likely to find.
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Nico is not as good a driver as Lewis. That much is very apparent. If the skill of the driver made no impact, Lewis and Nico would be a lot closer than they are at the moment, and there wouldn't be half a second between them in the final sessions of qualifying.
Ferrari are being plagued with small issues on most weekends, like the poor choice in strategy this race, power failures and things in previous races, but Seb is obviously a much better driver than Kimi, even if they are very close in points. Seb has been getting more top 5 finishes, but Kimi has been more consistent as of late.
Without going through every team like this, it is clear if you actually look back through the results of the last few races, that while Mercedes have been on top, the rest of the spots have been pretty much up for grabs for anyone. Red Bull, Lotus, Williams, Ferrari, all getting podiums. Renault powered, Ferrari powered and Mercedes powered cars are littered across the field, and below the top two, you can't make predictions how things are going to end before the race weekend starts.
I think F1 is currently very unpredictable. There are a great many things that can change the structure we have at the moment, and a lot of things that can impact the firm footing Mercedes has at the top. But to say that the skill of the drivers has no impact on the final race standings, is largely false.
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Also Ferrari are bringing new Power Units to Monza, so expect them to be stronger there than they where at Spa
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I agree with both of you to some extent.
Driver skill makes a difference, but the difference in car performance usually is a more important factor on race day and the cars have to be similar in performance (more similar than they are right now) or have scope for setting up the car differently (which requires some space for movement / innovation in the rules) for pure driver's skill to get you a podium. Valtteri Bottas is a good example from this weekend. He managed a great start position and drove well, but finished closer to where the car performance was shown to be in free practice. IMHO, he's a better driver than Kvyat and Grosjean, but the Williams just couldn't get him to the podium.
Unless there's more scope for teams and drivers to use strategy to gain an advantage, but there really isn't much of that now, you can run the calculations for strategies with a simple spreadsheet. Back in Schumi's day it was a lot more variable.
However, Grand Prix racing has traditionally been a manufacturer's race since they were first run in 1906. In 1947 they finalised the formula for the driver's championship and ran the first Formula One World Championship race in 1950. They only officially brought in the constructor's championship in 1958, but it's always been about the cars and the technology. Usually a single team would introduce a new innovation (mid engines, monocoque chassis, airfoils, etc) and would dominate and the others would start to use it. Then the next innovation would surface, that team would dominate, others would adopt it, etc. Often there would be breakthroughs by different teams in the same season, leading to some very exciting team battles. Until they started slamming innovation with the ban hammer.
Now there's no big innovation happening, just incremental improvements, with engine performance being the current dominating factor. If you've got the best engine, you can play more with the aero without giving up your advantage.
One possible answer is to allow manufacturers to have more cars in the race and run less teams. Then you'd at least have more drivers in very similar cars. As it is, it usually ends up being the top three or four manufacturers which dominate each season, the lower teams get very few points. This season is actually a bit of an anomaly with Marussia being the only team without points so far, so you could say the cars are a lot more "similar" this year than usual. It's still not enough to make it interesting.
I'd rather have more scope in the rules for bigger differences between the technologies allowed. Let teams run different engine configurations, for example.
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I agree with both of you to some extent.
Driver skill makes a difference, but the difference in car performance usually is a more important factor on race day and the cars have to be similar in performance (more similar than they are right now) or have scope for setting up the car differently (which requires some space for movement / innovation in the rules) for pure driver's skill to get you a podium. Valtteri Bottas is a good example from this weekend. He managed a great start position and drove well, but finished closer to where the car performance was shown to be in free practice. IMHO, he's a better driver than Kvyat and Grosjean, but the Williams just couldn't get him to the podium.
Unless there's more scope for teams and drivers to use strategy to gain an advantage, but there really isn't much of that now, you can run the calculations for strategies with a simple spreadsheet. Back in Schumi's day it was a lot more variable.
However, Grand Prix racing has traditionally been a manufacturer's race since they were first run in 1906. In 1947 they finalised the formula for the driver's championship and ran the first Formula One World Championship race in 1950. They only officially brought in the constructor's championship in 1958, but it's always been about the cars and the technology. Usually a single team would introduce a new innovation (mid engines, monocoque chassis, airfoils, etc) and would dominate and the others would start to use it. Then the next innovation would surface, that team would dominate, others would adopt it, etc. Often there would be breakthroughs by different teams in the same season, leading to some very exciting team battles. Until they started slamming innovation with the ban hammer.
Now there's no big innovation happening, just incremental improvements, with engine performance being the current dominating factor. If you've got the best engine, you can play more with the aero without giving up your advantage.
One possible answer is to allow manufacturers to have more cars in the race and run less teams. Then you'd at least have more drivers in very similar cars. As it is, it usually ends up being the top three or four manufacturers which dominate each season, the lower teams get very few points. This season is actually a bit of an anomaly with Marussia being the only team without points so far, so you could say the cars are a lot more "similar" this year than usual. It's still not enough to make it interesting.
I'd rather have more scope in the rules for bigger differences between the technologies allowed. Let teams run different engine configurations, for example.
I agree. I think the reason why this has come about though is to protect the smaller teams. There are so many rules in place to try and keep all the cars technically very similar, that there is no option to create innovation. The only innovations are introduced by the FIA themselves, which does lead to a lack in development by the teams themselves. Aero changes and curved rear wings are hardly anything to wrote home about.
I think it's both good and bad that this is the case, but I think the more technology advances, the less amount of innovations there will actually be to improve racing.
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So in preparation for Monza, I'm going through watching some old races that are on the BBC (available to UK only I'm afraid :( ) and I watched the '99 race when Hakkinen spins off.
He walks back to the pits, stopping halfway round and basically sits down and cries. The helicopter camera is on him, watching, and it's amazing to see two reporters walk over to him and comfort him, with neither of them taking his picture. Maybe they took one from afar, but I know for sure, reporters would be all over that **** in this age of modern media.
Hooooooooooooly **** those engine noises though. Sploosh.
Also, 2008 race they were showing figures for refueling. Put in 97 liters of fuel. Enough for 27 laps XD
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So in preparation for Monza, I'm going through watching some old races that are on the BBC (available to UK only I'm afraid :( ) and I watched the '99 race when Hakkinen spins off.
He walks back to the pits, stopping halfway round and basically sits down and cries. The helicopter camera is on him, watching, and it's amazing to see two reporters walk over to him and comfort him, with neither of them taking his picture. Maybe they took one from afar, but I know for sure, reporters would be all over that **** in this age of modern media.
Hooooooooooooly **** those engine noises though. Sploosh.
Also, 2008 race they were showing figures for refueling. Put in 97 liters of fuel. Enough for 27 laps XD
The most amazing fact I got from F1 @ Monza was that when they lift off to break into T1 they pull 1g, before they even touch the break peddle... madness
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http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12479/9977180/fresh-engine-misery-for-mclaren-at-the-italian-gp
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http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12479/9977180/fresh-engine-misery-for-mclaren-at-the-italian-gp
Are these follow-on penalties from Spa? Weren't they both given like 25 place grid penalties or something stupid?
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http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12479/9977180/fresh-engine-misery-for-mclaren-at-the-italian-gp
Are these follow-on penalties from Spa? Weren't they both given like 25 place grid penalties or something stupid?
Yes but these are fresh penalties, penalties from Spa don't get carried forward.
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http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12479/9977180/fresh-engine-misery-for-mclaren-at-the-italian-gp
Are these follow-on penalties from Spa? Weren't they both given like 25 place grid penalties or something stupid?
Yes but these are fresh penalties, penalties from Spa don't get carried forward.
Oh. So they have used another power unit each? Oh yeah, I see it now. I didn't see the bit they said what it was for before.
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So this happened; http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-uses-all-engine-tokens-for-italian-gp
which resulted in this; http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34150453
Hamilton was 1.588 seconds faster than the rest of the field... Force India's Nico Hulkenberg was fourth, 1.942secs slower than Hamilton.
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So this happened; http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-uses-all-engine-tokens-for-italian-gp
which resulted in this; http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34150453
Hamilton was 1.588 seconds faster than the rest of the field... Force India's Nico Hulkenberg was fourth, 1.942secs slower than Hamilton.
1.5 seconds faster O.O
Holy ****.
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Well, it could all go horribly wrong for Mercedes tomorrow. Their first experimental engine has already screwed up, and their engineers have had to replace it, meaning Rosberg only qualified 4th. Hamilton's engine has held up well, and he managed to get his 7th pole in a row, his 8th out of 9 races.
However. Do Mercedes risk Lewis's engine and let him run with it tomorrow? They still don't know what the issue was with Nico's engine, so there aren't any preventative measures they can carry out. Or, do they change his engine overnight to a previously used engine? This means he starts at the back of the grid, but is then pretty much guaranteed points.
Monza takes a big toll on engines, and I can't see Rosberg doing well with an old engine that already has 3,000km on it.
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They can't change it now so they have no choice, excited to see what happened though it's kind of amazing to think that at Spa they where almost a second clear, but now they are much closer, people have been chatting that as a result of Nico's problem the dialed down Lewis's engine
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vroom vroom
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They can't change it now so they have no choice, excited to see what happened though it's kind of amazing to think that at Spa they where almost a second clear, but now they are much closer, people have been chatting that as a result of Nico's problem the dialed down Lewis's engine
Can they not? I thought that was an option they could have done? That would make a lot more sense if they tuned it down. I can't see where Ferrari could have found a whole second overnight. That hour and 40 minute engine change for Ricciardo was super impressive too.
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I mean, if they change it now Lewis would get a 10place grid penalty, which is huge at Monza. If they were worried about his engine they would have gone back to the Spa engine with both cars.
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Well, that was a p good race, interesting that Nicos engine gave out right at the death. Glad the marshals didn't take any further action on the tyre pressure. 0.3psi is nothing, especially on one tire.
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Yeah the race was alright, good for Monza, though Lewis kinda showing that Merc played it safe in quali and ministered it in the race, hell Nico was on for p2 before his engine gave up.
Bit of a scare there at the end but good that nothing came of it, FIA has gotten so much smarter in the last 5-6 years and it's good to see.
Kimi though, why the **** has he got another drive at Ferrari? He proved himself once again to be utterly useless and incapable of backing up Seb to take the fight to Merc. First he ****s up the start, massively, goes from 2nd to 20th in the space of 5meters then when he comes in for his only stop he cruses in slower than I do to a service station on the motorway and nearly gets rear ended by poor old Mehri... I don't think Ferrari could have won, but given what happened to Nico's engine, it should have been a 2-3 for them.
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Yeah the race was alright, good for Monza, though Lewis kinda showing that Merc played it safe in quali and ministered it in the race, hell Nico was on for p2 before his engine gave up.
Bit of a scare there at the end but good that nothing came of it, FIA has gotten so much smarter in the last 5-6 years and it's good to see.
Kimi though, why the **** has he got another drive at Ferrari? He proved himself once again to be utterly useless and incapable of backing up Seb to take the fight to Merc. First he ****s up the start, massively, goes from 2nd to 20th in the space of 5meters then when he comes in for his only stop he cruses in slower than I do to a service station on the motorway and nearly gets rear ended by poor old Mehri... I don't think Ferrari could have won, but given what happened to Nico's engine, it should have been a 2-3 for them.
Urm... you really think someone with his experience would mess up the start like that through his own error? Did you hear him on the radio? ("Do you know what happened at the start because before you say anything, i was in the right position with the switch") If Ferrari could give him a car that works through a whole weekend without any problems he'd be right up there with Seb. Seems the team neglects his car a lot more than Vettel's. I think going from last place... last place to 5th is a pretty damn good achievement.
Also, P2 from qualifying. I don't get why you think he's not good enough and "utterly useless and incapable" seems rather vitriolic.
Rosberg's engine had some laps on it already before the start, shouldn't have had that much effect, but they do run things pretty close to the tolerances. The cars had pace, no doubt about it.
Honda is still REALLY struggling to get their powertrain up to scratch. Would ne nice if they made some advances on this before next season. Hoping for a four manufacturer race next year (Mercedes, Ferrari, Williams, Mclaren). They've all got the experience and the engineering to be competitive.
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Rosberg was at a huge deficit on power compared to Lewis (huge in F1 terms) and was unlucky, his engine was his Spa engine so it had actually done a lot of miles for a race engine and he was unlucky to retire.
Kimi was quick in quali but why do all these 'mechanical' problems happen for Kimi and neither of his two team mates since his return to F1? I go back to Canada 2014 when he spun at the hairpin once, when he was all alone and it cost him massively, he and Ferrari blamed some error in the car, an error that only happened once in the whole weekend and didn't affect Alonso. Jump to Canada 2015 and the exact same strange error happens on a brand new car, once during the weekend. Again some mechanical fault was blamed, yet Vettel had no issue and it only affected Kimi that one time...
Monza 2015 and he stalls his car at the line, again not uncommon, yet it's a 'mechanical fault' and not driver error... I'm waiting to hear why he donated further seconds or what possible mechanical issue it could have been, off his race time via his painfully slow pit lane entrance, that almost awarded him and an innocent Mehri a DNF...
It was a good recovery, but it was at a track that's pure power + DRS. The only cars that where able to defend from the Ferrari power where the super low drag Merc powered Williams and possibly the Lotus cars, but with both Lotus's exiting out of the race after the first chicane, Kimi got a free pass and so just sat behind the Williams cars.
His job on Sunday was to go balls at and scare Lewis, Kimi has no title hopes and Vettels are fading, his job was to go at Lewis and make him think twice, Lewis has alot to loose, especially into T1 at Monza. Kimi was there to help Vettel build up some more points and help Ferrari get more championship points.
He should have been on the podium, and out of the drivers out there (other than Pastor-PASTOR-MALDONARDOO) he's performing the worst. Make no mistake, he's only keeping his drive because it helps Vettel mentally be a better driver, Ferrari is a one horse show after all.
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and I wanted to just post this image here;
(http://i.imgur.com/lwGD3A5.jpg%5B1%5D)
I'm sorry Alonso...
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The clutch bite point for both clutches is set by the engineers before the warm up lap. The driver chooses the setting told to them by the engineer and away they go. If Kimi had the right setting, it's not his fault. The clutch temperature, tyre temperature and track surface all affect whether it stalls or not and apparently either one of these factors was off for the chosen setting (in which case the engineer guessed incorrectly which setting to use) or there was some other technical glitch. The end result was the anti-stall mechanism kicking in (irrespective of whether the car was going to stall or not).
Kimi's had 233 race starts before this one.. I think he knows how to do it and he's shown over and over that he doesn't easily make mistakes under pressure. They don't call him "Iceman" for nothing.
Anyway... katushkin called it about Nico's engine :) Almost lasted the whole distance and still had the pace on the other manufacturers... Merc have had such a big advantage this year with their early engine development. Please catch up, Honda... please.
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The rules have changed regarding clutch bite points (the rules were changed Pre-Spa), now the driver has to do all the work and the engineer isn't allowed to help them pick the right maps. In addition there is to be radio silence on the warm up lap unless there is a problem with the car starting the race or a safety issue.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/3l5n5p/peter_windsor_gives_insight_into_raikkonens/
I wont say it
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I like Singapore. I don't know why it was rated so low in the current calendar. I am starting to get reeally pissed off with all these new tracks appearing and no set future for the historical tracks. Bernie is a complete ****.
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Because it's mostly another dull street race, it's something I'd love to go to, but is meh to watch most of the time
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https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/3l5n5p/peter_windsor_gives_insight_into_raikkonens/
I wont say it
I will... he's talking BS. There was absolutely nothing in the Finnish media about him doing this... nada, zilch, rien. From videos you can see he did the procedure correctly, just as he had been in the past... So... at the very least it's inconclusive.
From what there WAS in the Finnish media, it appears the bite point was set too tight (according to Ossi Oikarinen, who used to be a Ferrari engineer), so it went into anti-stall. Set by the engineers before the start of the warm-up lap. The drivers are allowed to change this if they want (with no guidance allowed by the engineer from before the start of the warm-up lap until the start of the race), but there's no indication that Kimi did, otherwise he would not have been so confused at what happened, asking the team what went wrong. So, IMHO, the evidence points to Ferrari making a mistake with the bite point, no fault to Kimi. But I don't think we'll ever know unless Ferrari release all the data to the public to scrutinise.
... I am starting to get reeally pissed off with all these new tracks appearing and no set future for the historical tracks. Bernie is a complete ****.
QFT.
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I'm not one to direct a lot of hate towards one person, but I hope Bernie dies soon and we can have a person in charge who cares more about the sport than the money. I know the money is important to keep the standards up, and the tracks great and the driver's the best, but when tracks like Germany and Monza even consider being dropped, I think it alienates people, the fans especially.
Last year when Bernie left half-way through the Russian GP to greet Putin, just makes me think he's a caricature.
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Peter Windsor isn't one to talk ****, he's been around F1 longer than most of us have been alive and is well respected. Even if it was the bite-point being in the wrong position, that would still be Kimi's fault and a driver error.
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Peter Windsor isn't one to talk ****, he's been around F1 longer than most of us have been alive and is well respected. Even if it was the bite-point being in the wrong position, that would still be Kimi's fault and a driver error.
Yes, I respect him, but when he claims something that's wrong...
I'd love to know what "Finnish press" he's referring to that "had the real story from Kimi" (and note the hesitation with which he says that, too). He's clearly got it wrong because in the video you can see he drops the right clutch as the lights go out, while holding the left at the correct point to keep it at the predefined bite point. Which was set too tight and initiated the anti-stall. No fault that I can see. How exactly is it Kimi's fault if his engineer sets the wrong clutch bite point? The point is kind of moot, anyway. He's a good driver, good enough to be in a Ferrari, according to Ferrari's own judgement. And they've been in F1 longer than Peter Windsor ;)
Y, Bernie is good at making money in underhanded ways and evading tax, but not so good for the actual sport.
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Peter Windsor isn't one to talk ****, he's been around F1 longer than most of us have been alive and is well respected. Even if it was the bite-point being in the wrong position, that would still be Kimi's fault and a driver error.
Yes, I respect him, but when he claims something that's wrong...
I'd love to know what "Finnish press" he's referring to that "had the real story from Kimi" (and note the hesitation with which he says that, too). He's clearly got it wrong because in the video you can see he drops the right clutch as the lights go out, while holding the left at the correct point to keep it at the predefined bite point. Which was set too tight and initiated the anti-stall. No fault that I can see. How exactly is it Kimi's fault if his engineer sets the wrong clutch bite point? The point is kind of moot, anyway. He's a good driver, good enough to be in a Ferrari, according to Ferrari's own judgement. And they've been in F1 longer than Peter Windsor ;)
Y, Bernie is good at making money in underhanded ways and evading tax, but not so good for the actual sport.
Yeah he's good at keeping Seb happy which is all Ferrari care about ;)
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http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/raikkonen-accepts-poor-monza-start-was-his-fault/
Probably Ferrari's fault that his finger was on the wrong paddle eh? ;) ;)
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http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/raikkonen-accepts-poor-monza-start-was-his-fault/
Probably Ferrari's fault that his finger was on the wrong paddle eh? ;) ;)
Firstly... his finger was not on the wrong paddle. He said, "the finger might have been for whatever reason ... in a bit wrong position".
And this makes him a terrible driver how, exactly? Anyway, that story is really jumping to conclusions and wildly misinterpreting his statement. He's certainly not claiming he was at fault.. "for sure I did all correct".
As I said before, though, either way he's still a good driver, good enough to have a Ferrari seat, end of story.
Can we move on to more interesting things, now, please?
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Hahahahahaha I mean terrible driver is all relative, he's only got that seat because he's friends with Seb and that friendship is helping make Seb a much better driver. It's just hilarious to see you defend him so much, even when he himself says he caused the problem after what, two weeks?
It would have been like Hamilton saying that his Hugary race was the result of some strange things from the car... And everyone saying that he actually only made a couple of mistakes and many over-takes... I've only been going on about it because it's funny to me how poor Kimi is performing and how staunchly his fans defend him.
Everyone has off seasons, as a Lewis fan I know as well as anyone, but trying to write off every mistake as some odd mechanical problem is just sad and wrong.
But don't worry guess we are all wrong, I've already emailed Peter to let him in on the bad news ;)
>also there is no real news for Smogapour yet
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Hahahahahaha I mean terrible driver is all relative, he's only got that seat because he's friends with Seb and that friendship is helping make Seb a much better driver. It's just hilarious to see you defend him so much, even when he himself says he caused the problem after what, two weeks?
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Firstly, he has not admitted it was his fault. Secondly you're making some very wild and unfounded accusations ("he's only got that seat because he's friends with Seb" - did you hear this from Ferrari?). Thirdly, just take another look at his performance in Bahrain before claiming that he's not good enough to be in the team. Fourthly, yes, I'm sure he has been making a few mistakes, after all he's under a lot of pressure to perform in his current position, but you can't call a power system failure or pit-damaged tires or pit-stop wheel fitment problems or wrong tire strategy "driver error" can you? His spin in Canada and the clutch issue in Monza are the only ones that are even debatable.
I'm getting a bit tired of "fighting" with you about.. well, pretty much everything in the thread. We have very different opinions about a lot of issues and that's just fine. I'm happy to agree to disagree, but could you please be a little less vitriolic?
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Not fighting, I don't really care either way. But he said in so many words 'that for some reason his finger was on the wrong paddle' ...which is him admitting it was his fault, unless he's trying to suggest he has a finger that's totally out of his own control and is trying to sabotage his races... I'm not sure what's to debate about it really lol, Canada too... All the drivers are under pressure, it's Formula 1 haha
I guess I could be a bit nicer about old Kimi, but it's very tiring hearing about how great he is and how so many people are willing to ignore his mistakes, yet are more than happy to point out the mistakes of other drivers
I don't rate Kimi at all, he had a good season with Lotus and that's kind of been it since his return. And yeah I'm pretty certain he only has that seat because of Vettel, preformance wise he's doing worse than Massa was when he got ousted. The only reason I can see for Ferrari to keep him is so that it keeps Vettel sweet because as we all know, Ferrari are a one driver team.
Looking back I guess I was a bit too vitriolic, my bad
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But I do enjoy our arguments/discussions/banter, if I didn't I wouldn't reply and make silly posts... honestly I'm just having fun but I can see how that can be easily misconstrued in text form, so my bad <3
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Not fighting, I don't really care either way. But he said in so many words 'that for some reason his finger was on the wrong paddle'
Would you please read the actual words he said instead of repeating this again. He never said anything about using the wrong paddle. What he DID say was: "I was still on the anti-stall and the reason why...for sure I did all correct, but the finger might have been for whatever reason on the second paddle in a bit wrong position for no apparent reason". He's saying his finger might have been in the wrong position, not on the wrong paddle (the second paddle is held in to keep the second clutch at the set bite point, the first is released when the lights go off). But he's also saying "I did all correct" and from the video you can see that. I'm sure the team is putting pressure on him to say he was at fault and the result is this quote, but I don't see that he has ever admitted to actually doing something wrong. The title of the article is typical journalistic sensationalist overstatement.
The interesting thing is, from what I have been able to glean about the way the two clutches work, is that if you hold the paddle all the way, the clutch is completely disengaged, if it's fully released, the clutch is fully engaged. Between those points the clutch is set to the in-between setting, the bite point defined by the clutch map used, set by the engineers. So unless he had the paddle all the way in or all the way out, there's no way the position of the paddle or even just his finger on the paddle could have caused the problem. They start off by dropping the one clutch with the other at the bite point and then as they gain more traction they release the second paddle completely. The only way for the driver to change the bite point is to change the clutch map used. So either Kimi had the paddle all the way in or out, or the clutch bite point was set incorrectly in the map for the specific conditions. I'm not trying to defend him without reason, I'm trying to figure out exactly what happened.
However, even if you blame Kimi for this and his spin, you cannot ascribe every case of poor end result to bad driving or driver error. The simple fact is that his car has seen far more faults, mistakes and failures by the team than Vettel's and when he's had the right conditions he's proved he can drive just as well. It's okay to believe that "he's only got that seat because he's friends with Seb", despite the evidence to the contrary, but to state it as a fact is both unreasonable and a little nasty.
Have I really been pointing out mistakes other drivers are making?
Anyway, I hope we can drop this particular issue for now...
Singapore -> Merhi is being replaced by an American driver for the last five races of the season...
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/34270705
Been a while since an American has been near the top of the F1 rankings. Let's see how this Rossi can do.
Just as with the previous few races I'm interested to see the relative team performance in free practice due to development and setup, particularly Williams and McLaren.
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I don't know how they have come to the decision, but there are seven races left and Mehri is going to race in Russia and Abu Dhabi still. Why you wouldn't just do it for the remaining races I don't know.
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But I do enjoy our arguments/discussions/banter, if I didn't I wouldn't reply and make silly posts... honestly I'm just having fun but I can see how that can be easily misconstrued in text form, so my bad <3
Okay, that's good to hear, no worries.
Spaceship!!!! Er... I mean: Formula One!!!!
I'd be interested to see most of the current grid of drivers in the same car to see how they really stack up against each other. I suspect Bottas and "Richardo" would both come out in very high positions. In fact I think there are more talented drivers with very similar skill levels this year than in many previous years. Hamilton does seem to somehow be able to get a little more out of any car he drives than the others, though. It sometimes seems a little spooky, could just be an instinct, though.
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Oops, I meant to say five of the last races...
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Mehri has been a bit meh... and I think it's alot to do with Mannor getting US money for having a US driver for the US GP.
But Lewis will monster this race
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Also **** Sky, I can't watch practice at work b/c I have my PC setup as my 'device' and non of the unofficial links are working for practice 1
;_;
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Apparently lots of teams wanting to get a better idea of how their aero is working. Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus and Sauber are using "flow vis" paint on various parts, Force India are using a big flow sensor on the rear wing.
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/livefeed/9350/2248/
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Also **** Sky, I can't watch practice at work b/c I have my PC setup as my 'device' and non of the unofficial links are working for practice 1
;_;
None of the links you gave me before work D':
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some of them do BUT you can't use them without adblock because of the ad-spam (and I'm at work so no adblock QQ)
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Just have to post this again; feature=youtu.be
via r/formula1
I remember seeing this when it was first posted and laughing hysterically
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Oh boy... Not a good debut...
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But to be fair, he was only .0x off Stevens before... and in FP2 Stevens has buggered it too lol
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FP 1 & 2 Results;
(http://i.imgur.com/m8U2ZKw.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/vls5t7b.jpg?1)
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Oh boy... Not a good debut...
He was sliding around on other corners earlier in the lap, too, but I think he's doing alright. It must be massively exciting for him to be there! Bottas reacted nicely and avoided him well, too.
Interesting times / positions. Should be an exciting qualifying tomorrow. Red Bull has some pace and it looks like McLaren finally has a little more, too.
Come on race Sunday!
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Tbf that Marussia would be a nightmare for anyone to drive, let alone the least experienced drivers in F1
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/static.carthrottle.com/workspace/uploads/memes/jamesmay-53bbabc017c3e.png)
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umm... so qualifying;
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(http://i.imgur.com/QCbJVZq.jpg?1)
what the ****
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Well boys it's just a handful of hours away now, predictions?
Ima say:
Vettel
Riccy
Hamilton
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3 second lead in one lap
DAAMN!
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Well, what an interesting race...
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Gutted that Lewis's motor broke down, he looked like the only one who could actually do anything at the front of the field, Nico was nowhere. Also disappointed with Vestaphen(?) ignoring team orders at the end, he's not fighting for a championship so things like that only reflect badly on him. Maybe 17 is too young for F1 after all.
Vettel in a class of his own though, was playing with Danny. I still don't understand how at Monza Lewis can win by 25 seconds, and then one race later Vettel is 24.8 seconds ahead of Nico (the lead Merc)... what the hell happened. Vettel looking increasingly like he'll be able to grab p2 in the championship and Bottas looking like that p4 is his
(http://i.imgur.com/S043FLo.jpg?1)
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Well following the race we have some NEWS!
Maldonado is confirmed for Lotus/Renault for 2016 and Roman Grosjean is confirmed for Haas F1 for 2016!
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Yup, that was an interesting one!
Things did not go well for McLaren. Rossi caused a bit of an issue by being out of position under the safety car and getting in the way, but at least he didn't cause any real incidents.
Team orders are banned if they will affect the outcome of a race, and in this case that held true. In this case Verstappen was completely within his rights to ignore team orders. If anything it's increased my respect for him.
Really happy for Ricciardo! He was keeping pace with Vettel just about the whole race. Really epic drive from him.
I thought the safety car coming out AFTER the guy had left the track was a bit pointless.... Helped tighten up the pack again, though, so it did increase the "interest" level, but...
From what I could pick up in the interviews after free practice, Mercedes were really struggling for grip on this track and the car just wasn't suited to it somehow. I'm really glad as it allowed the top teams to be much more equal and you could see who is better at managing a tricky car. It is a pity for Hamilton that he had the engine fault, he was up there with the top group and could possibly have caught Kimi. So your prediction was pretty good :)
It's such a different track from Monza, different surface, different temperature, different air moisture content, different types of corners, etc, all of which affect how a particular car with a particular setup will manage.
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At the time I was disappointed by Max's reaction to being told to let his team mate through, he's not fighting for the championship and he sure isn't fighting to keep his seat, but F1 is a team sport. If he can't play the team game he has no place in F1.
In the end it didn't matter and the reason they asked him to pass was a bit silly, but I still think his reaction showed his age and was disappointing, something that his father only seems to make worse.
But yeah, gutted for Alonso and Button, really is Button's last season... and the future for McLaren is so dark, next year could see the end for Alonso too.. :(
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Well following the race we have some NEWS!
Maldonado is confirmed for Lotus/Renault for 2016 and Roman Grosjean is confirmed for Haas F1 for 2016!
Confirmed?
I think Singapore is a track unto it's own. Things happen there that wouldn't happen anywhere else. The margin for error is so much smaller than other places, even other street circuits because of the temperatures, that literally anything can happen. Nico Hulkenberg's incident with Massa was just stupid, and I think actually Rossi was partly responsible for the incident between Maldonado and Button. His presence in the higher order really threw everyone. He should know that he can pass everyone when he's lapped, because that's how it ****ing works.
As for the other news, Eddie Jordan's little monologue during the BBC highlights of the qualifying was really interesting. VAG coming in after 2018 to take over Red Bull with their own engines, and RB to take Ferrari engines as of next year. Lotus takeover by Renault, and Manor to be used as a feeder team for Mercedes. Sounds awesome to me.
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At the time I was disappointed by Max's reaction to being told to let his team mate through, he's not fighting for the championship and he sure isn't fighting to keep his seat, but F1 is a team sport. If he can't play the team game he has no place in F1.
In the end it didn't matter and the reason they asked him to pass was a bit silly, but I still think his reaction showed his age and was disappointing, something that his father only seems to make worse.
But yeah, gutted for Alonso and Button, really is Button's last season... and the future for McLaren is so dark, next year could see the end for Alonso too.. :(
Yeah, I guess in terms of team / driver politics it was a bit of a childish / unthinking reaction, but maybe he considers those 2 championship points to be worth more to him overall anyway.
All ahead to Japan! Anyone think Honda will pull some tricks out the bag for their home crowd?
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All ahead to Japan! Anyone think Honda will pull some tricks out the bag for their home crowd?
Nope haha even if it rains they don't have the down-force package to take advantage of it as they have spent the whole year making the car as slippery as possible to make up for its massive lack of power.
@katty
yeah been confirmed, also Perez stays at FI for 2016 (was announced today)
further NEWS!
Lotus not paying bills again? (https://twitter.com/NicolaBILD/status/646856453899354112)
and the drivers press confrence;
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I don't think Rossi can be blamed for the Button/Pastor incident, Pastor was stupid in his defense and Jenson (fairly) didn't expect him to position his car like that after running so deep into a corner.
If you can't deal with lapped cars you probably shouldn't be in F1 and the fact him and Stevens where in the mix actually made the restart far more interesting.
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I don't think Rossi can be blamed for the Button/Pastor incident, Pastor was stupid in his defense and Jenson (fairly) didn't expect him to position his car like that after running so deep into a corner.
If you can't deal with lapped cars you probably shouldn't be in F1 and the fact him and Stevens where in the mix actually made the restart far more interesting.
True, but it's not like every other lapped car situation. You have a narrow street circuit, and everyone is really close together because of the restart meaning that Rossi was trying to weave in and out of cars trying to get out of the way but then get round the corner.
I love Suzuka. I've always loved the circuit, but again, I'm not going to be able to watch any of it because I'm off. Hooray.
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I don't think Rossi can be blamed for the Button/Pastor incident, Pastor was stupid in his defense and Jenson (fairly) didn't expect him to position his car like that after running so deep into a corner.
If you can't deal with lapped cars you probably shouldn't be in F1 and the fact him and Stevens where in the mix actually made the restart far more interesting.
True, but it's not like every other lapped car situation. You have a narrow street circuit, and everyone is really close together because of the restart meaning that Rossi was trying to weave in and out of cars trying to get out of the way but then get round the corner.
I love Suzuka. I've always loved the circuit, but again, I'm not going to be able to watch any of it because I'm off. Hooray.
hurrah!
I'm actually going to Silverstone Saturday to see the BTCC as guests of Michelin, which should be pretty ballin, not sure what kinda access I'll be getting but the BTCC is always good for a laugh!
and yeah the race should be epic, RAIN!!
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hurrah!
I'm actually going to Silverstone Saturday to see the BTCC as guests of Michelin, which should be pretty ballin, not sure what kinda access I'll be getting but the BTCC is always good for a laugh!
and yeah the race should be epic, RAIN!!
Nice! The BTCC always has great racing. Just enough contact for it to be exciting, but not enough to wreck everybody. Those guys are really on the edge, I love watching it.
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Results from FP2
(http://i.imgur.com/Bxe1BAU.jpg?1)
and there is the reason for those times;
(http://i.imgur.com/ffWKIKM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tzEnWJ3.jpg)
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Soooooooooooo wet.
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Well in the end the race was a bit of a dull one, which does tend to happy when it's fully dry at Suzuka due to the first sector, but some good mid field battles and a great result. Lewis's move into t1 &2 was epic and his pace cemented his performance this year. I'll post some more stuff when I get home.
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Well in the end the race was a bit of a dull one, which does tend to happy when it's fully dry at Suzuka due to the first sector, but some good mid field battles and a great result. Lewis's move into t1 &2 was epic and his pace cemented his performance this year. I'll post some more stuff when I get home.
The first few corners really showed how much of a better racer he is than Nico. I think he was lucky to get second because that stood him in a really great position to undertake like he did.
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He only got second because the mercs were in a class of there own
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He only got second because the mercs were in a class of there own
Yup, I think Vettel deserved second and Bottas third just based on driver performance, but of course the Ferraris are still a bit better than the Williams and the Mercs better than the Ferraris. Decent result, with the top 5 finishing in their drivers championship positions.
I do really like the track, one of my top 3. A bit of rain would have really spiced things up, but...
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He only got second because the mercs were in a class of there own
I meant Lewis was lucky to get second on the grid so he could do the undertake on the first corner :)
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He only got second because the mercs were in a class of there own
I meant Lewis was lucky to get second on the grid so he could do the undertake on the first corner :)
I feel like if the whole grid was in the same car, Nico wouldn't be fighting for wins, whereas Lewis would :P
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Hi F1 fans. I didn't know this thread existed until I posted my F1 USGP tickets in the "what you got in the mail" thread.
I'm thrilled to see you guys are active fans.
I've been attending the USGP in Austin since it debuted in 2012; its always been a great show. Last year I was lucky enough to get close to and get some pics of some of the drivers; also got some good pics on the pit walk.
This year I'm very excited and follow all the races. I just wish there was a place I could stream or watch the race on-demand. :rolleyes: Some day after Bernie is gone maybe F1 will enter the 21st century of media.
Anyway, great to see you guys; I'll be following the thread!
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Hi F1 fans. I didn't know this thread existed until I posted my F1 USGP tickets in the "what you got in the mail" thread.
I'm thrilled to see you guys are active fans.
I've been attending the USGP in Austin since it debuted in 2012; its always been a great show. Last year I was lucky enough to get close to and get some pics of some of the drivers; also got some good pics on the pit walk.
This year I'm very excited and follow all the races. I just wish there was a place I could stream or watch the race on-demand. :rolleyes: Some day after Bernie is gone maybe F1 will enter the 21st century of media.
Anyway, great to see you guys; I'll be following the thread!
I always love the USGP. I don't know what it is, I just love the track. I'm really looking forward to it, and I'm glad Mexico is back too :)
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Hi F1 fans. I didn't know this thread existed until I posted my F1 USGP tickets in the "what you got in the mail" thread.
I'm thrilled to see you guys are active fans.
I've been attending the USGP in Austin since it debuted in 2012; its always been a great show. Last year I was lucky enough to get close to and get some pics of some of the drivers; also got some good pics on the pit walk.
This year I'm very excited and follow all the races. I just wish there was a place I could stream or watch the race on-demand. :rolleyes: Some day after Bernie is gone maybe F1 will enter the 21st century of media.
Anyway, great to see you guys; I'll be following the thread!
I always love the USGP. I don't know what it is, I just love the track. I'm really looking forward to it, and I'm glad Mexico is back too :)
Yep and Mexico is good for the sport too; keeps Mexican fans in the stands cheering. Perez is always there showing their flag as well. He's a pretty good driver.
I'm glad to see Alexander Rossi doing well. Marussia/Manor have always been sad sacks on the grid, but next year they are using a Mercedes engine and have licensed parts from Williams, so I'm hoping to see them start to creep up on the grid a bit.
The other exciting thing for next year is Haas. It will be really interesting to see how they do with their partnership with Ferarri. I'm hoping they are competitive at least in the lower part of the grid their first year. I'm sure it will take a while though....
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I always love the USGP. I don't know what it is, I just love the track. I'm really looking forward to it, and I'm glad Mexico is back too :)
Yep and Mexico is good for the sport too; keeps Mexican fans in the stands cheering. Perez is always there showing their flag as well. He's a pretty good driver.
I'm glad to see Alexander Rossi doing well. Marussia/Manor have always been sad sacks on the grid, but next year they are using a Mercedes engine and have licensed parts from Williams, so I'm hoping to see them start to creep up on the grid a bit.
The other exciting thing for next year is Haas. It will be really interesting to see how they do with their partnership with Ferarri. I'm hoping they are competitive at least in the lower part of the grid their first year. I'm sure it will take a while though....
Well rumours are that Mercedes are going to do a buyout of Manor and use them as a feeder team. Which would be cool. I am glad that the interest is growing in the USA. Maybe they will have more than one race there in the future so we can stop these random places like Kazakhstan host a race.
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I always love the USGP. I don't know what it is, I just love the track. I'm really looking forward to it, and I'm glad Mexico is back too :)
Yep and Mexico is good for the sport too; keeps Mexican fans in the stands cheering. Perez is always there showing their flag as well. He's a pretty good driver.
I'm glad to see Alexander Rossi doing well. Marussia/Manor have always been sad sacks on the grid, but next year they are using a Mercedes engine and have licensed parts from Williams, so I'm hoping to see them start to creep up on the grid a bit.
The other exciting thing for next year is Haas. It will be really interesting to see how they do with their partnership with Ferarri. I'm hoping they are competitive at least in the lower part of the grid their first year. I'm sure it will take a while though....
Well rumours are that Mercedes are going to do a buyout of Manor and use them as a feeder team. Which would be cool. I am glad that the interest is growing in the USA. Maybe they will have more than one race there in the future so we can stop these random places like Kazakhstan host a race.
Nah they don't need to do that, they are instead supplying them an engine at rock-bottom price so they can put there development driver in one of the seats, and maybe with there new chassis that mannor might be a bit of a mid field pocket rocket... who knows
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Nah they don't need to do that, they are instead supplying them an engine at rock-bottom price so they can put there development driver in one of the seats, and maybe with there new chassis that mannor might be a bit of a mid field pocket rocket... who knows
We're going to have a lot to talk about next week :))
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FP1 Results For Russia!
(http://i.imgur.com/7Aia56J.jpg)
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FP2 Results
(http://i.imgur.com/rAicRQl.jpg)
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FP2 Results
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(http://i.imgur.com/rAicRQl.jpg)
Mostly useless because of the rain. Its supposed to be clear in Sochi the rest of the weekend though. Looking forward to it!
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Hopefully the grippier rubber (or weather) will make for a more interesting race last year. I haven't heard anything about changes to the track itself.
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FP2 Results
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(http://i.imgur.com/rAicRQl.jpg)
Mostly useless because of the rain. Its supposed to be clear in Sochi the rest of the weekend though. Looking forward to it!
FP1 results are useless for the same reason, though it didn't rain.
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Monumental crash for Carlos Saints causes FP3 to end about half way through the session. Thankfully though he is alright and is in the medical center talking to the doctors now.
(http://i.imgur.com/uBGcGfW.png)
https://streamable.com/edku
Once again the speed at which the Russian marshals attended the incident is brought into question after the appalling time it took to attend a GP2 crash yersterday.
Update 1: He's been airlifted from the on-track medical center to the local hospital.
image of the car just after impact, notice the lack of breaking marks, huge impact (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ8lPcmW8AAapT8.jpg:large)
This has actually been a pretty terrible weekend so far for motor racing incidents, Bathurst this weekend has already seen two season ending crashes; this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=tqhMEskbYDY) and this one (https://twitter.com/v8supercars/status/652348672621940736). Let's hope the GP2 Race 1 goes without issue...
Update 2: GP3 Race 1 has been cancled due to the damage done to the barrier, Qualifying is due to happen at the same time however...
Update 3:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ9DTiTWcAApBrw.jpg)
Update 4: Final update before quali, full gallery of the damage and extraction of Saints (http://imgur.com/a/fBpWB).
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Quali Results;
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(http://i.imgur.com/L6rgdFy.jpg)
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Good qual session. Its amazing how slippery that surface is. Its kinda looking like another Merc blow-out, but I'm interested to see how it goes.
I'm also looking forward to next year to see how Haas and Manor do - maybe they will push into the middle of the grid. That would be interesting.
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How is saints now?
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How is saints now?
Good enough to drive tomorrow! (https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/652847612438122496)
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How is saints now?
Good enough to drive tomorrow! (https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/652847612438122496)
Great news!
Also, very nice to see both Finns qualified ahead of their teammates :D I think it's that they're used to driving on ice ;) I don't expect Bottas to keep his position the whole race, but impressed with his 3rd position on the grid (considering Massa is 15th).
I think there are two factors reducing grip, both the coldness of the track and the roughness of the surface. Those bargeboards are scraping a LOT.
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The was one hell of a race!
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How is saints now?
Good enough to drive tomorrow! (https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/652847612438122496)
Good. He is very blessing.
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Holy smokes, quite a race indeed. All I have to say is "What the **** did he do?"... Kimi, Kimi, Kimi... I'm starting to think Baldgye may be right about him... but maybe only a little.
Bottas really deserved a podium, IMHO.
And sorry for the brainfart in my previous message... Only Bottas qualified ahead of his teammate, not sure what I was thinking.
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Yes, very good race. Lots of fighting for position and some really smashed up cars, but nobody hurt which is always good, though very expensive for the teams.
I would really like to know what went wrong with Grosean's car when he lost it. It looked like something on the right rear suspension was broken.
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Track walk yesterday was great and didn't get any rain. The best part was that Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg came out for an impromptu autograph session.
Some bum managed to get on the track...
(http://i.imgur.com/xshbRM4.jpg?1)
Lewis giving autographs.
(http://i.imgur.com/JYOlEtq.jpg?1)
Nico giving autographs. You can see the crew practicing stops in the background
(http://i.imgur.com/nCWvSkP.jpg?1)
Potato shot of Sir Frank Williams....
(http://i.imgur.com/BHDxHfZ.jpg?1)
Alonso's garage... looking a little forlorn...
(http://i.imgur.com/IBwtgZ0.jpg?1)
Romain's garage; they seem to be working on the car...
(http://i.imgur.com/Gz7V4OK.jpg?1)
Let me know if this is too much; I can definitely mute it a bit. I'm trying to post a few things this group might find fun...
Cheers.
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Great photos, it looks like you're having a blast! Especially the first one of the home straight and turn one. Keep em coming!
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Great photos, it looks like you're having a blast! Especially the first one of the home straight and turn one. Keep em coming!
Thanks. I'm heading out soon to see what there is to see during practice 2, but I'm guessing it will be a bit boring since rain is expected. Qualify tomorrow should be a lot more interesting... and probably very soggy.
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Really jealous of you dude, did you get an autograph from Lewis?
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Really jealous of you dude, did you get an autograph from Lewis?
Practice 2 was a total bust. Terrible weather today. Its supposed to be bad again tomorrow during qualify.
It was almost totally luck. No autographs, but instead my stepson got selfies with both Nico and Lewis. They were both super cool about it all, though the crowd really pressed in to the barriers separating us.
(http://i.imgur.com/SBCjNQJ.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/pak6Dkr.jpg?1)
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No Q3 either! It's pouring with rain, and about seven or eight drivers span off at turn 10. Is this the first time they have had qualifying and the race on the same day?
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Lewis getting ****ed by the Mercedes garage again.
Edit: Sorry for those who don't want spoilers, but hot damn, another big crash. Eight drivers out now.
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That was a fantastic race!
Ridiculously eventful.
Good to see McHonda in the points.
Such a shame that Alonso's car broke though :'( He was doing so well
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Race of the season.
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Race of the season.
For sure. tense to the very end. Fantastic race. Shame about the coverage.
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CONGRATULATIONS LEWIS!!
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what was wrong with the coverage ?
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what was wrong with the coverage ?
Camera was all over the place and Sky's coverage is a bit too Hamilton positive.
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what was wrong with the coverage ?
Oh come on, it was like my girlfriend and a constant one-upper having a conversation, as well as some guy bull ****ting in the the pit lane all race. Every other conversation was about if Lewis would win the championship. Martin Brundle talking about how he has driven every F1 car ever, "Crofty" sounding like he was trying to find literally anything to talk about during the most exciting race of the season. Five laps to go: "Do you think he can do it Martin?" "I don't know." Fantastic.
Toby, or whoever the **** he is, just makes up **** in the pit lane, interpreting **** in stupid ways. Before the race: "Nico doesn't look happy". No, he's just talking to his chief mechanic, you ****ing idiot.
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Also, Nico Rosberg, world's sorest loser 2015.
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British coverage, so ofc they favor the current best British driver... I mean if you watch German or Italian coverage it's almost comical how bias it is, imo Sky are pretty even given Hammy's success
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I'm back from the race; it was a trying weekend because of the rain. It was made all worthwhile by a very exciting race!
Here are the things I really enjoyed:
1. Some nice shake-up on the grid forcing overtaking by mostly Ferrari.
2. I loved seeing McLaren actually fighting for position. Although Alonso fell back eventually, it was overall a great result for them and for Honda.
3. The patchy moisture on the track really tested the drivers and one never knew when the slicks would be on.
4. No rain during the race. I'd had enough by then. :)
Disappointments:
1. Rosberg choke
2. Results from Williams were disappointing.
What was your favorite thing?
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What was your favorite thing?
Niko Sulkberg.
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What was your favorite thing?
Niko Sulkberg.
Kimi Wankenen
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What was your favorite thing?
Niko Sulkberg.
Kimi Wankenen
Danil Kyrashat
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What was your favorite thing?
Niko Sulkberg.
Kimi Wankenen
Danil Kyrashat
Jenson Pointon
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What was your favorite thing?
Niko Sulkberg.
Kimi Wankenen
Danil Kyrashat
Jenson Pointon
Fernando Aloutathepointso
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What was your favorite thing?
Niko Sulkberg.
Kimi Wankenen
Danil Kyrashat
Jenson Pointon
Fernando Aloutathepointso
Nico Hulkencrash
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What was your favorite thing?
Niko Sulkberg.
Kimi Wankenen
Danil Kyrashat
Jenson Pointon
Fernando Aloutathepointso
Nico Hulkencrash
Sebastian Vetter Luck Next Year
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What was your favorite thing?
Niko Sulkberg.
Kimi Wankenen
Danil Kyrashat
Jenson Pointon
Fernando Aloutathepointso
Nico Hulkencrash
Sebastian Vetter Luck Next Year
Christian Honda
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What was your favorite thing?
Niko Sulkberg.
Kimi Wankenen
Danil Kyrashat
Jenson Pointon
Fernando Aloutathepointso
Nico Hulkencrash
Sebastian Vetter Luck Next Year
Christian Honda
Max Verstappit with these puns I can't take any more of it.
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Hahaha I thought your army training would have made you strong like bull, not weak like mouse! Haha
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What was your favorite thing?
Niko Sulkberg.
Kimi Wankenen
Danil Kyrashat
Jenson Pointon
Fernando Aloutathepointso
Nico Hulkencrash
Sebastian Vetter Luck Next Year
Christian Honda
Max Verstappit with these puns I can't take any more of it.
We will be Carlos Sans puns from now on.
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Ok, one more pic I took during the race. I just watched it from my DVR; maybe the best race of the year?
(http://i.imgur.com/fD4cSdU.jpg?1)
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This will be a must watch
Dude is a srs inspiration
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This will be a must-watch.
This dude is a serious inspiration.
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This will be a must watch
Dude is a srs inspiration
I've always been a big fan of Timo Glock. I haven't watched Senna or Rush yet, so I may have to get out to the cinema to ffinally watch a film on motorsport...
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Tbf that's actually a movie about Alex Zanardi(?) who lost both his legs in a huge shunt. Dude is a legend who after recovering went on to compete in the olympics and then in this race (which I think was the 12hrs of Spa, but I'm not sure).
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I've always been a big fan of Timo Glock. I haven't watched Senna or Rush yet, so I may have to get out to the cinema to ffinally watch a film on motorsport....
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I've always been a big fan of Timo Glock. I haven't watched Senna or Rush yet, so I may have to get out to the cinema to ffinally watch a film on motorsport....
If you want to be really ****-ish about it, technically I should have italicised or put the film names in inverted commas.
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To be fair, that's actually a movie about Alex Zanardi,(?) who lost both his legs in a huge shunt. The dude is a legend who, after recovering, went on to compete in the Olympics, and then in this race (which I think was the 12hrs of Spa, but I'm not sure).
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I've always been a big fan of Timo Glock. I haven't watched Senna or Rush yet, so I may have to get out to the cinema to ffinally watch a film on motorsport....
If you want to be really ****-ish about it, technically I should have italicised or put the film names in inverted commas.
You'll have to forgive me. There are so many mistakes, it will be difficult to catch and correct everyone. Thank you for your assistance.
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Tbf that's actually a movie about Alex Zanardi(?) who lost both his legs in a huge shunt. Dude is a legend who after recovering went on to compete in the olympics and then in this race (which I think was the 12hrs of Spa, but I'm not sure).
I have briefly heard the name before, but never heard about what he's done. I will definitely check it out when it comes out.
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This will be a must watch
Dude is a srs inspiration
I've always been a big fan of Timo Glock. I haven't watched Senna or Rush yet, so I may have to get out to the cinema to ffinally watch a film on motorsport...
Rush is a fantastic film! It's supposedly very accurate unlike most "inspired by true events" movies.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-pthPnsX5HwA/VPNQyPOrorI/AAAAAAAD4F0/osdBnvbiE8g/w421-h363/192181.gif)
I haven't seen Senna yet though but I know that some people have criticized it for being a bit too pro-Senna and anti-Prost.
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So MEXICO this weekend. So far Max Verstappen has crashed in FP2, and it's pretty slippery around the track according to the guys. Not surprising seeing as it's so new.
On a related note, it feels like to me Max has crashed a lot this season. Obviously the one in Monaco, but also once in Silverstone I think? And at least one other practice session I think? Anybody else tracking his progress more than me?
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Idk for someone who's got so little experiance he's doing great. Tbh though he father is a total moron and the sooner he can get a proper manager the better
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Idk for someone who's got so little experiance he's doing great. Tbh though he father is a total moron and the sooner he can get a proper manager the better
He is doing pretty good. Other than his crash in Monaco and his subsequent attitude about the whole situation, he has been really good. I think it is good that his dad stands behind him, but yeah, he does need a bit of an attitude shift.
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Meanwhile at CotA
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Meanwhile at CotA
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Holy crap. Yes, the rain has come again to Austin. Thank goodness we didn't get that before the race. I hope there isn't too much damage to the track.
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Nico snatched pole, good for him. Looking forward to seeing if the track can produce food racing tomorrow!
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Shocker of a race. Lewis was poor this weekend and Nico had him covered, thought he might have had a go in the end but he couldn't keep his speed constant, shame.
Kimi had a pretty solid race and a good consistent result, he's been on form all weekend and it was good to see him convert it into a good Finnish.
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Shocker of a race. Lewis was poor this weekend and Nico had him covered, thought he might have had a go in the end but he couldn't keep his speed constant, shame.
TBH, I don't think Lewis is even that bothered about the season any more. He didn't do all that well this weekend, but it was a solid result at the end of it. He could have overtaken Rosberg on a number of occasions I think, if he was still battling for the title, he would have won the race this weekend.
Kimi had a pretty solid race and a good consistent result, he's been on form all weekend and it was good to see him convert it into a good Finnish.
I though; "this is a weird turn of events for baldgye" but then I read the rest of the sentence, and realised I had just watched the incident between him and Bottas. I think he was unlucky.
LOL VETTEL THO
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I think Merc made it pretty clear that they have no intention of letting them really battle it out. If Lewis's side thought there was a chance they would have switched him to the soft knowing the delta's between the two and knowing they would need something in there pocket to fight Nico, given that the track only has one or two over taking spots.
I can't wait for 2017 front wings
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I think Merc made it pretty clear that they have no intention of letting them really battle it out. If Lewis's side thought there was a chance they would have switched him to the soft knowing the delta's between the two and knowing they would need something in there pocket to fight Nico, given that the track only has one or two over taking spots.
I can't wait for 2017 front wings
Yeah. Everyone on /r/rosbergcirclejerk is saying how Hamilton isn't a team player, and how he doesn't trust his engineers, but it's pretty clear that Mercedes just want the season to end with no controversy, and the "equal treatment" is the way to give Rosberg the best chance to keep second. Don't let Lewis carry on as if he is the champion and he's getting preferential treatment. Them not telling him the tire deg as well is a bit stupid.
2017 front wings?
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Nico's a good driver and has gotten his quali sorted again so it's no shock he eventually converted it, especially at a track like this.
They are still working on the 2017 rules but there is hope they will simplify the front wings, making them one or two pieces, this will allow cars to run closer together as dirty air only affects the front wing.
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Last weekend of the year
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Alonso being a ****ing hero as per
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I am excited. I really like the Yas Marinas circuit, and I would like Lewis to win just once more before the season is done.
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It's the only track that actually allows for over-taking between identical cars, so even if/when Lewis dosnt get pole he'll still be able to fight and with some luck we should get a proper battle to watch to finish off a pretty meh season.
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Kimi's gonna win! <--- for Baldgye
I'm a bit surprised at myself. I'm disappointed that Bernie and Jean's proposal for cheaper "competetive" motors was rejected by the FIA. I usually don't like anything that Bernie proposes. Cheaper, more powerful non-hybrids could well have shaken things up, despite being a "step backwards" in some views from a technology standpoint.
Hoping for an exciting final race. Another podium for Bottas would be nice :)
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The only disappointing thing is that for 2017 the FIA agreed rule changes that would make overtaking even harder than it is now...
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The last ever P3 of the season;
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So after quali the top three are:
Nico Rosberg
Lewis Hamilton
KIMI-****ING-NO-****S
(http://i.imgur.com/fBwhl7l.jpg)
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LOL @ Vettel. I thought that was quite funny. But I'm glad everyone's favourite Finn is third ;)
The Force Indias are doing really well, but I don't think they will stay up there throughout the race. Vettel will come back up to fourth, Kimi will stay in third unless he gets another mechanical failure. I can't see Lewis winning though.
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Well that's it folks, the end of the season. The race was pretty much as-per. Nothing up front and everything in the middle with Alonso and Button having a miserable time but trying to make the most of it.
I feel like Merc totally covered Kimi with Lewis and gave him no real chance to fight after he reduced the gap to just over a second. Oh well. Vettel and Ferrari did a good job getting the max points despite a poor Saturday.
Let's hope next year the front is as exciting as the midfield has been this season.
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Well that's it folks, the end of the season. The race was pretty much as-per. Nothing up front and everything in the middle with Alonso and Button having a miserable time but trying to make the most of it.
I feel like Merc totally covered Kimi with Lewis and gave him no real chance to fight after he reduced the gap to just over a second. Oh well. Vettel and Ferrari did a good job getting the max points despite a poor Saturday.
Let's hope next year the front is as exciting as the midfield has been this season.
Hmmmm. I am sad they wouldn't let them race. not bringing Lewis in earlier for his final stop, then not letting him push when they did finally bring him in. Sad there is going to be no more F1 for a while :( Glad Kimi came third though :D Great midfield action as usual too :) Jenson did well!
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Well, Kimi didn't win but did get his 80th podium finish. ;) Unfortunately, Bottas had a dismal race, poor start, being released early and hitting Button, which meant a lap without a functioning front wing, an extra stop to change it and a 5 second penalty... So Kimi took back 4th spot in the championship from Bottas.
I agree that this whole season has been a bit flat. Hoping for more competetiveness in the top few teams next year. Would be nice to have at least a proper 4-way battle between McLaren, Williams, Ferrari and Mercedes.
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And just to finish this thread off, the top of the 2015 Formula 1 Drivers World Championship
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