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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: KHAANNN on Fri, 13 March 2015, 15:01:15
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I'm strongly considering buying the domain and reviewing keyboards for the sake of humanity
I suspect some of the overlooked/fancy gaming mechanical keyboards might be ping free, corsair's look pretty solid, zalman/razer's seem so flimsy that I suspect they just might not ping for that reason, cooler master rapid-i's seem to have a white plate that just might prevent the ping, but I just can't get myself to risk it and test them
( edit: another one bites the dust http://www.amazon.com/review/RQZV7CVTKKQT7/ )
( edit: my WASD V2's ping )
( edit: I've heard the1onewolf's KUL ping, it's no different than the WASD's, might even be more severe )
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In my experience there are a ton of factors that contribute to ping. Things like switch type, spring weight, lube, and your typing style all effect whether a plate will ping. Also some cases hide it while others seem to amplify it.
Edit: Also the material the plate is made of and how it attaches to the case.
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My problem is with the plate(s), as I bottom-out/type, the keyboard should just absorb the force rather than retain/resonate audibly
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I suspect some of the overlooked/fancy gaming mechanical keyboards might be ping free, corsair's look pretty solid, zalman/razer's seem so flimsy that I suspect they just might not ping for that reason, cooler master rapid-i's seem to have a white plate that just might prevent the ping, but I just can't get myself to risk it and test them
I have a Razer TKL 2014 with Razer Orange switches, and it does not ping. Though I hate it because the switches are very inconsistent.
The construction itself feels solid and the keyboard is quite heavy, that is certain; it's the switches and the keycaps that leave much to be desired.
Cheers!
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If it has a spring.. IT PINGS.. the question is HOW LOUDLY...
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If it has a spring.. IT PINGS.. the question is HOW LOUDLY...
Thats sort of what I was saying, like my greys are crazy loud.
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Reading the title I thought it would be about something like downforeveryoneorjustme (http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/).
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I suspect some of the overlooked/fancy gaming mechanical keyboards might be ping free, corsair's look pretty solid, zalman/razer's seem so flimsy that I suspect they just might not ping for that reason, cooler master rapid-i's seem to have a white plate that just might prevent the ping, but I just can't get myself to risk it and test them
I have a Razer TKL 2014 with Razer Orange switches, and it does not ping. Though I hate it because the switches are very inconsistent.
The construction itself feels solid and the keyboard is quite heavy, that is certain; it's the switches and the keycaps that leave much to be desired.
Cheers!
I also bought a razer TKL a while ago but returned it even before shipment after I realized there was no backlight yet the reverted fonts were still there, it was also an orange, I wish I kept it tho, it was very affordable, if it doesn't suffer from plate ping, it would make a nice donor for new switches and keycaps, now they are all gone in my country and I don't want to import it from US
tp4tissue, like I mentioned, yes springs ping, but it's preventable/mendable, plate/keyboard ping on the other hand is mostly there to stay
I think the plate should be either a very thick metal, or it should be a strong plastic instead, most of these keyboards have thin metal plate's that resonate like crazy
Imagine you had a really huge aluminium plate, a meter by meter, it would wobble like crazy in your hand, the same happens with each keystroke
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My Kul pings :/
:'(
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http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/wiki/mcrip (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/wiki/mcrip)
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My ikbc used to ping like crazy, when I lubed the springs it went away completely.
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Wow, I made the wiki, so proud
Yet I'm very convinced the main issue is plate quality/hardness, so my hunt continues
It's more of a hunt to achieve the ultimate bottom-out-typing experience, and the bottleneck is the plate
(One consistent testing method would be to remove all the switches, close the keyboard and hit the frame, a non-pingy keyboard shouldn't resonate in that case)
(On a personal level, I'm really hoping the infinity keyboards / steel plate's won't ping, the infinity is the next keyboard on my test list, hope it will be the last for a while)
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This is classic McRip Effect
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I also bought a razer TKL a while ago but returned it even before shipment after I realized there was no backlight yet the reverted fonts were still there, it was also an orange, I wish I kept it tho, it was very affordable, if it doesn't suffer from plate ping, it would make a nice donor for new switches and keycaps, now they are all gone in my country and I don't want to import it from US
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Although the plate is thick and painted with a thick textured paint that might absorb reverberances, some Razer's might still ping.
Maybe mine doesn't because Razer Orange uses light springs (akin in weight to reds)?
Though mine suffers from a different noise problem for which I found a fix with isopropyl alcohol (see my first post ever (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62819.msg1471118#msg1471118)).
Costar stabilizers on it are a b*tch too. No matter which lube I use, I have to re-lube some weeks later and find all sorts of gunk and pet hair on the stabilizers inserts. Maybe I have to use less lube.
Sometimes I miss lousy cheap keyboards, they were low maintenance. But when typing a little on a laptop keyboard I miss my mechanicals and can't wait to go back to them.
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I also bought a razer TKL a while ago but returned it even before shipment after I realized there was no backlight yet the reverted fonts were still there, it was also an orange, I wish I kept it tho, it was very affordable, if it doesn't suffer from plate ping, it would make a nice donor for new switches and keycaps, now they are all gone in my country and I don't want to import it from US
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Although the plate is thick and painted with a thick textured paint that might absorb reverberances, some Razer's might still ping.
Maybe mine doesn't because Razer Orange uses light springs (akin in weight to reds)?
Though mine suffers from a different noise problem for which I found a fix with isopropyl alcohol (see my first post ever (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62819.msg1471118#msg1471118)).
Costar stabilizers on it are a b*tch too. No matter which lube I use, I have to re-lube some weeks later and find all sorts of gunk and pet hair on the stabilizers inserts. Maybe I have to use less lube.
Sometimes I miss lousy cheap keyboards, they were low maintenance. But when typing a little on a laptop keyboard I miss my mechanicals and can't wait to go back to them.
We're probably at a similar place currently :)
I jumped onto green switches as I was really bothered by the balancer issues like you mentioned, I thought the clicks and the clacks would mask the balancer sounds, and they did, yet the plate ping was unbearable, again because of the increased force of the non-linear switches
Now, the balancer sound imperfections are extremely bearable, I don't even bother with them
I personally love Costar stabs, I lube both the inside and outside of the inserts, after a while the outside lube washes down and the space key gets an extra clack, but I find it bearable
On signature plastic keycaps, the keycap removal is also pretty easy, since the keycaps are very loose, especially the space key, it would take 30 seconds for me to re-lube it
My ideal keyboard would have costar stabs, green switches, trampoline mods and a capable plate to handle the force
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Do you have any web developer expierence? If not I would be interested in making a drupal site for the domain if you buy it.
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Yet I'm very convinced the main issue is plate quality/hardness, so my hunt continues
I think the case and overall construction are bigger factors than the plate alone. Pretty much all keyboards use 1.5 mm thick steel plate, some of them ping, some don't.
I was mildly annoyed by the slight ping and the resonance caused by my Pure Pro when typing (bottoming out with Reds), and since I also found that it was sitting too high on the desk, I removed the plate/pcb/switches assembly from the case and bolted it down on a 2 mm thick acrylic sheet with 2 mm thick silicone pads to absorb the shock when typing hard (and so as not to crush the diodes & resistors when bolting the plate). Add rubber feet to prevent it from sliding and voilą, a ping/shock-absorbing low-profile minimalistic case.
(http://reho.st/self/0aa5bfa245973bbb3f8e41989cbb13ba52dadd2e.jpg)
(http://reho.st/self/1e36833194a68659b5ac1caf70576c01f20ca31d.jpg)
No resonance, no ping, same switches and plate. Kind of a dirty hack and probably not the best solution for larger keyboards, but for a 60% it works really well.
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That is a beautiful setup, ++respect
I briefly considered something similar for a TKL, yet like you mentioned, it's challenging
My latest idea is to glue the underside of the plate with a glue gun, in between the switches, the empty areas, hoping that the glue will absorb the resonation
Like drawing a glue matrix under the plate (requires desoldering)
I might try it before soldering the infinity set, if I notice a hint of pinginess with that keyboard too (in 2 months that is ...)
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For larger keyboards, I think that some people stuff their keyboard case (the space between the bottom and the PCB) with some sort of rubber sheet to achieve the same result, I would try thatbefore attempting to fill the spaces between the plate and the PCB with glue (which might be irreversible).
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For larger keyboards, I think that some people stuff their keyboard case (the space between the bottom and the PCB) with some sort of rubber sheet to achieve the same result, I would try thatbefore attempting to fill the spaces between the plate and the PCB with glue (which might be irreversible).
I've tried the stuffing method, currently my red-switched keyboard is usable, probably thanks to the stuffing, yet it's still possible to ping the plate
The glue-gun glues are very easily removable, so I'm sure, in the worst case, the whole thing would be in-effective but reversible (the glue just stays on the plate, not touching the switches, I'm not sure there is enough space for an effective application tho)
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Have you tried reading that link I posted Khan?
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Have you tried reading that link I posted Khan?
of course.
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My KBP v60 with Matias don't seem to ping. But I don't hear much ping in any of my keyboards except my Model Ms so maybe I am not sensitive enough to it.
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Embrace the Ping.