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Title: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: dark_samus on Mon, 16 March 2015, 16:53:42
Recently I purchased an IBM model M terminal keyboard (model 1395665) I have it hooked up to my computer with an RJ45 port wired to a PS/2 end and it does work.... In GRUB, under Linux and windows it acts very odd or just plain doesn't work.... I temporarily have a PS/2 mouse and under Linux when keys are pressed on the keyboard the mouse has a fit and starts jumping all over the screen right clicking and doing all kinds of odd things... Under windows (7) this isn't the case, the keyboard shows under device manager as a standard PS/2 keyboard but nothing happens when a key is pressed
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 16 March 2015, 17:03:00
I think that you are going to need to do this:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=17458.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=17458.0)

or buy one of Orihalcon's cables.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64670.msg1593827#msg1593827 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64670.msg1593827#msg1593827)

PS - why is Soarer's not sticky any more?
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: dark_samus on Mon, 16 March 2015, 21:48:22
Sorry forgot to mention I'm going to be replacing the circuit board completely later I'd just like to get it somewhat working for now, soarers converter isn't what I'm going to be using or anything less than a whole new PCB, basically I'm just after temporary functionality until I can make my PCB and put it in, thanks!
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: Snowdog993 on Mon, 16 March 2015, 23:51:33
Get a 1391401 controller.  (1398011 or equivalent)  Fixed.  Oh! I nearly forgot! You will also need an SDL to PS/2 cable or an SDL to USB cable.  In the meantime, use a different keyboard.  (The third link is the 1395665.)

More
http://imgur.com/a/O7ayY
http://imgur.com/a/bBFuv
http://imgur.com/a/akDm6


Edit: Specified.  (It will not work the way you are thinking, dark_samus.)
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 17 March 2015, 07:39:59
Quote from: dark_samus on Mon, 16 March 2015, 21:48:22
to get it somewhat working for now, soarers converter isn't what I'm going to be using

A Soarer's converter and some cables and adapters are good to have if you are getting into the hobby, if for no other reason than you can test whatever you dredge up out of the salvage heap and use it for a bit to decide whether it is going to be something that you want to invest additional time and effort into.

Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: Snowdog993 on Tue, 17 March 2015, 11:25:46
Quote from: fohat.digs on Tue, 17 March 2015, 07:39:59
Quote from: dark_samus on Mon, 16 March 2015, 21:48:22
to get it somewhat working for now, soarers converter isn't what I'm going to be using

A Soarer's converter and some cables and adapters are good to have if you are getting into the hobby, if for no other reason than you can test whatever you dredge up out of the salvage heap and use it for a bit to decide whether it is going to be something that you want to invest additional time and effort into.

Definitely.  What fohat said.  If anything get the adapters from Orihalcon!  Take a look!
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64670.msg1513985#msg1513985
Good luck with your project any way you go about it!  I hope we helped you dark_samus.
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 17 March 2015, 11:30:19
Quote from: fohat.digs on Mon, 16 March 2015, 17:03:00
PS - why is Soarer's not sticky any more?

I cleaned all the stickies from the MST forum, and combined them into my "Tools" links sticky. I would have liked to sticky everything in that post at the top of the MST forum, but it was getting a bit ridiculous with the number of stickies there.
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 17 March 2015, 15:11:56
My Rube Goldberg contraption ain't pretty but it does come in very handy:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58941.msg1348717#msg1348717 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58941.msg1348717#msg1348717)

Perhaps I should add that 5th wire to the Teensy from the AT socket, just in case!
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: dark_samus on Wed, 18 March 2015, 16:01:55
So there isn't any special drivers I can use until I build my own PCB for it? Also soarers converter won't be used but a different solution... Mainly I was wondering if there was some sort of temp driver solution until I get parts around, etch the PCB and program everything... (Mine is going to be based off of http://mg8.org/rump/ with several modifications/additions
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: Snowdog993 on Wed, 18 March 2015, 18:08:37
Quote from: dark_samus on Wed, 18 March 2015, 16:01:55
So there isn't any special drivers I can use until I build my own PCB for it? Also soarers converter won't be used but a different solution... Mainly I was wondering if there was some sort of temp driver solution until I get parts around, etch the PCB and program everything... (Mine is going to be based off of http://mg8.org/rump/ with several modifications/additions

Good luck with that! 
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 18 March 2015, 18:40:46
Quote from: Snowdog993 on Wed, 18 March 2015, 18:08:37
Quote from: dark_samus on Wed, 18 March 2015, 16:01:55
Mine is going to be based off of http://mg8.org/rump/ with several modifications/additions
Good luck with that! 

Ezrahilyer's gear is cleaner with true Teensies and he sells them including bolt mod in the low-mid-$100 range.
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: dark_samus on Wed, 18 March 2015, 22:34:46
Quote from: fohat.digs on Wed, 18 March 2015, 18:40:46
Ezrahilyer's gear is cleaner with true Teensies and he sells them including bolt mod in the low-mid-$100 range.
I already have the keyboard and Teensies just use an ATmega32 with the pins broken out and a USB port added.... I'm planning on getting (cheaper) DIP atmega32 chip and adding more features (LEDs under each key, RGB, individually controllable) for a mix between modern and retro (mainly I like the Model M for its quality other than the plastic rivet issue which I plan on doing myself as well... Getting way off topic, anyway if I MUST have a converter then I'll just wait until I have my PCB made and my parts all come in, thanks for all of the help/suggestions
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: Snowdog993 on Wed, 18 March 2015, 22:44:42
Quote from: dark_samus on Wed, 18 March 2015, 22:34:46

I already have the keyboard and Teensies just use an ATmega32 with the pins broken out and a USB port added.... I'm planning on getting (cheaper) DIP atmega32 chip and adding more features (LEDs under each key, RGB, individually controllable) for a mix between modern and retro (mainly I like the Model M for its quality other than the plastic rivet issue which I plan on doing myself as well... Getting way off topic, anyway if I MUST have a converter then I'll just wait until I have my PCB made and my parts all come in, thanks for all of the help/suggestions

You're most welcome.  I hope your project is a success.  I think we'd all like to see it when it is complete.
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 19 March 2015, 07:20:20
Quote from: dark_samus on Wed, 18 March 2015, 22:34:46
then I'll just wait until I have my PCB made and my parts all come in,

I am fuzzy on the electrical part of it, but if you have a few bucks the xwhatsit controller might be helpful to you.
Title: Re: terminal model M keyboards and modern OSes
Post by: 0100010 on Thu, 19 March 2015, 18:03:12
You could just order one of these : http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/universal-model-m-controller-t9820.html