http://imgur.com/a/KRbJM
Edit: At this point, just going to see if I can email EK to see if they have any records of my purchase. Hoping they will.
I think one thing that is raising a lot of red flags with people is the fact that you have 4 of them, when people have popped up with multiples of a single color in the past they've been fakes.
The defects on the bottom are very suspect as well for a couple of reasons. Firstly it would be very unusual to find these sorts of defects on a cap that isn't a factory second. Secondly the fact that the defects are different on all 4 is very weird, for instance I know the Sticky Kurple 420 Clack has a scratch on the right side that is present on all the other ones in that batch.
So your selling them for $9.50 plus shipping?nope 125$ each:
So your selling them for $9.50 plus shipping?nope 125$ each:
http://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/30cjwf/wts_blue_mx_skull_click_clacks/
So your selling them for $9.50 plus shipping?nope 125$ each:
http://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/30cjwf/wts_blue_mx_skull_click_clacks/
I am curious if that price is really that unreasonable. I am just some guy who bought click clacks cause he thought they looked cool from EK ages back not knowing of their value. The reason I found out recently is because I need some money to buy stuff for my first year of college. I am just pricing by the single colors in the clack valuation thread, and while, yes, I do acknowledge I put them up for the highest price, that is because I need the money and am just hopeful.
Also, here is what I got from EK:
http://imgur.com/PUeLtKh
Hi xxxxxxxx,
The original invoice is attached. I don't recall the colors being dissimilar as I see in the photo, but some variation is not unusual between batches. The rough bottom edges are indicative of CC keycaps. Round smooth bottoms are evidence of a copy.
Best regards,
xxxxx
Is this enough to confirm that they're real at this point?
Bottoms look super fake.
Oh yeah those are fake
Looks ok but the bottoms still give me the heebie jeebies.
My old Fn from CC had the same thing going on. His earlier work was less polished, and those blue ones were made a long time back. So I wouldn't discount it based on that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y45IHlp.jpg)
I'll buy them from you at cost to save any trouble later on!
I'll buy them from you at cost to save any trouble later on!
Good guy Rowdy.
I want to believe op
I want to believe op
I want to believe OP, but I also wish OP didn't perpetuate the massive inflation.
Those are fake sorry. The teeth are even having over the cap.I've had authentic (direct from a CC sale) clacks with teeth like that.
Those are fake sorry. The teeth are even having over the cap.I've had authentic (direct from a CC sale) clacks with teeth like that.
You don't know that they're fake. Stop making guesses and pretending they're fact.
Well, I guess this must be fake then (http://i.imgur.com/BE0nRjb.jpg) :'(Seems like you've been scammed pal.
Well, I guess this must be fake then (http://i.imgur.com/BE0nRjb.jpg) :'(Seems like you've been scammed pal.
Those are fake sorry. The teeth are even having over the cap.I've had authentic (direct from a CC sale) clacks with teeth like that.
You don't know that they're fake. Stop making guesses and pretending they're fact.
Well, I guess this must be fake then (http://i.imgur.com/BE0nRjb.jpg) :'(
Official Clackvent Clack of a new color/GID. As you guys can see from the bottom, they are "janky"~Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VqhagAC.jpg)
More photos here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33569.msg1696109#msg1696109
I want to believe op
I want to believe OP, but I also wish OP didn't perpetuate the massive inflation.
I want to believe OP, but I also wish OP didn't perpetuate the massive inflation.
I am really sorry, I recently found out people were paying such high prices for them and I wanted the money to buy something. If it is really a bad thing for the community I think I might consider keeping them. I won't be using them, however knowing that people pay such high prices, I don't think I could live with selling for low prices either. I used to lightly lurk GH and only because of this situation did I actually expose myself. While lurking, I always really wanted to be apart of a keyboard community, but when I posted this up at reddit (maybe over here as well), I think I almost ended up labeling myself as a scammer because of the high price, new account, and by chance, early clacks. I just got excited when I needed the money and didn't think twice about fakes I guess. (Well, partly because I know I bought these legitly from EK too, but yeah.)
There's always a choice with pricing. The ones I've sold have been at retail and I don't think anyone would fault you for selling at the $30-50 retail prices of late (and is still above your retail price). I just find price gouging to be toxic to the community and the artisan community.
In the end, they're yours to do what you will with, I'm just giving my two cents.
have been at retail and I don't think anyone would fault you for selling at the $30-50 retail prices of late (and is still above your retail price). I just find price gouging to be toxic to the community and the artisan community.I think people should be allowed to sell clacks or bros at cost since I myself have gotten only 1 clack at retail from the event which I do not currently have so all my other clacks, I've paid quite a bit for and can't justify selling them anywhere close to retail. However, if I was to sell the one I got from the event, it will most likely be close to retail because that would be the cost I paid and not the aftermarket for it.
In the end, they're yours to do what you will with, I'm just giving my two cents.
There's always a choice with pricing. The ones I've sold have been at retail and I don't think anyone would fault you for selling at the $30-50 retail prices of late (and is still above your retail price). I just find price gouging to be toxic to the community and the artisan community.
In the end, they're yours to do what you will with, I'm just giving my two cents.
I'd just like to reiterate my offer to buy them at cost (and to clarify, that is the original EK cost), although subsequent discussions lead me to suspect that this offer will not be accepted.
Nevertheless I might call to attention the date and time of the offer, that it might be compared to other offers received should OP have a change of heart ;)
Also I shall enhance the offer by halving the quantity desired i.e. to purchase two of the Clacks at double cost (i.e. double the original EK price).
In addition and with regard to the genuineness of these items, the OP has evidence of the purchase from EK, and the colour and style is consistent with that offered by EK. The markings on the bottom of the Clacks is consistent with those made by ClickClack, and to date there have not been any known fakes with CC's markings on them. The recent widely advertised fakes of a similar colour were known to have a different mark enscribed on the base. Thus it seems to me that all evidence points to these being genuine.
Sigh.
OP isn't perpetuating the inflation all that much. Bearing in mind that one single colour MX clack went for over $300 on eBay the other day....eBay clack prices are out of control.
I say fair play to you for going through all the trouble of verifying them, and then not asking too ridiculous a price for them.
If you have any of them left, I will buy one :P
eBay clack prices are out of control.
OP could just put these on eBay and see what happens.
OP isn't perpetuating the inflation all that much. Bearing in mind that one single colour MX clack went for over $300 on eBay the other day....eBay clack prices are out of control.
I say fair play to you for going through all the trouble of verifying them, and then not asking too ridiculous a price for them.
If you have any of them left, I will buy one :P
OP could just put these on eBay and see what happens.
They looked fine to me... thinking they were an early batch as well. CF is not free of defects, I think many can tell you that.
"Bacon wavy edge" ha
ps them some diiiirty used clacks! http://i.imgur.com/uRR4tBm.jpg
MoreI've been emailing EK support to see if I could get more help proving that they're real and this is probably the best I can do. I did PM clickclack, but he probably gets questions like this all the time/super busy.
I hope this clears things up.
Hi xxxxxxx,
I've pulled out two keycaps from that batch and taken some high resolution photos for you. They are attached.
Your order was from one of the first two sales we had and the blemishes on the bottom of your caps are consistent with caps the Clack Factory was making at the time. You'll also notice a slight color difference between the two caps. Small color inconsistencies were more prevalent in CF caps at the time too.
Also, many CF designs made very recently have scratches or scrapes on the bottom. This is due to touch-up that is done with sand paper. Why you might ask? It's because the molds for the base keycap and switch stem mount were never changed/upgraded since molds have to be calibrated for each keycap material. Without careful calibration, the resulting keycaps would be too tight or too lose. Unless someone makes artisan keycaps they probably wouldn't understand how hard it is to get a good fit...over, and over again! I get it of course -- a lot of people assume that because CF keycaps have such a high market value, they must be cosmetically flawless from every angle to the extent that they put everyone else to shame, but this flawed detail is a reality of CF caps and is something that Clickclack conceded to in order to make the volume of keys that he did in the little free time he had -- he assumed no one would see that part of the keycap while they were using it. However, this shouldn't reflect on him as an artist who cuts corners. Those skilled in the art will know that producing keycaps in the variety and consistency he has is an extraordinary feat.
For your reference this blue was called EK Blue by Clickclack. They were a special request by us, along with the EK yellow that were sold at the same time.
http://imgur.com/thTxoSk
http://imgur.com/GYz6ldM
Best regards,
xxxxxxxxxxxxx
After this email, I asked if there was any way that they could also include some kind of proof that these clacks are theirs and not mine because people might think I just crafted another batch and took more pictures. (Also commented on excellent customer service, was not expecting to get this much help.) (I asked if I could reference the email and he said yes/I could use his name as well, but I didn't feel right doing it so I'm still replacing it with x's.)
Hi xxxxxxx,
You're welcome. You can use my name, no problem there.
I've put these photos on the EK server. This should be proof enough.
https://elitekeyboards.com/external/cf_blu_00.jpg
https://elitekeyboards.com/external/cf_blu_01.jpg
You might also recognize the background texture of these pics from a recent CF sale:
http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/cf_5c_bra_top1000_th0x0.jpg
Best regards,
xxxxxxxxxxxx
TO recap it all, these are mine:
http://imgur.com/WrWzS6b
http://imgur.com/KyEFK6j
And here is the receipt from EK:
http://imgur.com/PUeLtKh
I emailed EK referencing this thread and Brian said these are legitimate.MoreI've been emailing EK support to see if I could get more help proving that they're real and this is probably the best I can do. I did PM clickclack, but he probably gets questions like this all the time/super busy.
I hope this clears things up.
Hi xxxxxxx,
I've pulled out two keycaps from that batch and taken some high resolution photos for you. They are attached.
Your order was from one of the first two sales we had and the blemishes on the bottom of your caps are consistent with caps the Clack Factory was making at the time. You'll also notice a slight color difference between the two caps. Small color inconsistencies were more prevalent in CF caps at the time too.
Also, many CF designs made very recently have scratches or scrapes on the bottom. This is due to touch-up that is done with sand paper. Why you might ask? It's because the molds for the base keycap and switch stem mount were never changed/upgraded since molds have to be calibrated for each keycap material. Without careful calibration, the resulting keycaps would be too tight or too lose. Unless someone makes artisan keycaps they probably wouldn't understand how hard it is to get a good fit...over, and over again! I get it of course -- a lot of people assume that because CF keycaps have such a high market value, they must be cosmetically flawless from every angle to the extent that they put everyone else to shame, but this flawed detail is a reality of CF caps and is something that Clickclack conceded to in order to make the volume of keys that he did in the little free time he had -- he assumed no one would see that part of the keycap while they were using it. However, this shouldn't reflect on him as an artist who cuts corners. Those skilled in the art will know that producing keycaps in the variety and consistency he has is an extraordinary feat.
For your reference this blue was called EK Blue by Clickclack. They were a special request by us, along with the EK yellow that were sold at the same time.
http://imgur.com/thTxoSk
http://imgur.com/GYz6ldM
Best regards,
xxxxxxxxxxxxx
After this email, I asked if there was any way that they could also include some kind of proof that these clacks are theirs and not mine because people might think I just crafted another batch and took more pictures. (Also commented on excellent customer service, was not expecting to get this much help.) (I asked if I could reference the email and he said yes/I could use his name as well, but I didn't feel right doing it so I'm still replacing it with x's.)
Hi xxxxxxx,
You're welcome. You can use my name, no problem there.
I've put these photos on the EK server. This should be proof enough.
https://elitekeyboards.com/external/cf_blu_00.jpg
https://elitekeyboards.com/external/cf_blu_01.jpg
You might also recognize the background texture of these pics from a recent CF sale:
http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/cf_5c_bra_top1000_th0x0.jpg
Best regards,
xxxxxxxxxxxx
TO recap it all, these are mine:
http://imgur.com/WrWzS6b
http://imgur.com/KyEFK6j
And here is the receipt from EK:
http://imgur.com/PUeLtKh
Could you have your contact at EK send that same email to a trusted, neutral third party here on geekhack to validate?
I emailed EK referencing this thread and Brian said these are legitimate.MoreI've been emailing EK support to see if I could get more help proving that they're real and this is probably the best I can do. I did PM clickclack, but he probably gets questions like this all the time/super busy.
I hope this clears things up.
Hi xxxxxxx,
I've pulled out two keycaps from that batch and taken some high resolution photos for you. They are attached.
Your order was from one of the first two sales we had and the blemishes on the bottom of your caps are consistent with caps the Clack Factory was making at the time. You'll also notice a slight color difference between the two caps. Small color inconsistencies were more prevalent in CF caps at the time too.
Also, many CF designs made very recently have scratches or scrapes on the bottom. This is due to touch-up that is done with sand paper. Why you might ask? It's because the molds for the base keycap and switch stem mount were never changed/upgraded since molds have to be calibrated for each keycap material. Without careful calibration, the resulting keycaps would be too tight or too lose. Unless someone makes artisan keycaps they probably wouldn't understand how hard it is to get a good fit...over, and over again! I get it of course -- a lot of people assume that because CF keycaps have such a high market value, they must be cosmetically flawless from every angle to the extent that they put everyone else to shame, but this flawed detail is a reality of CF caps and is something that Clickclack conceded to in order to make the volume of keys that he did in the little free time he had -- he assumed no one would see that part of the keycap while they were using it. However, this shouldn't reflect on him as an artist who cuts corners. Those skilled in the art will know that producing keycaps in the variety and consistency he has is an extraordinary feat.
For your reference this blue was called EK Blue by Clickclack. They were a special request by us, along with the EK yellow that were sold at the same time.
http://imgur.com/thTxoSk
http://imgur.com/GYz6ldM
Best regards,
xxxxxxxxxxxxx
After this email, I asked if there was any way that they could also include some kind of proof that these clacks are theirs and not mine because people might think I just crafted another batch and took more pictures. (Also commented on excellent customer service, was not expecting to get this much help.) (I asked if I could reference the email and he said yes/I could use his name as well, but I didn't feel right doing it so I'm still replacing it with x's.)
Hi xxxxxxx,
You're welcome. You can use my name, no problem there.
I've put these photos on the EK server. This should be proof enough.
https://elitekeyboards.com/external/cf_blu_00.jpg
https://elitekeyboards.com/external/cf_blu_01.jpg
You might also recognize the background texture of these pics from a recent CF sale:
http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/cf_5c_bra_top1000_th0x0.jpg
Best regards,
xxxxxxxxxxxx
TO recap it all, these are mine:
http://imgur.com/WrWzS6b
http://imgur.com/KyEFK6j
And here is the receipt from EK:
http://imgur.com/PUeLtKh
Could you have your contact at EK send that same email to a trusted, neutral third party here on geekhack to validate?
Could you have your contact at EK send that same email to a trusted, neutral third party here on geekhack to validate?I emailed EK referencing this thread and Brian said these are legitimate.
And that was my question to Brian who said it was a simple matter of orders slipping through the system in the early days.Could you have your contact at EK send that same email to a trusted, neutral third party here on geekhack to validate?I emailed EK referencing this thread and Brian said these are legitimate.
Well alright then. Thanks, Ray.
The reason I was asking, for reference, is that there was a limit of 2 keycaps per customer, so it seemed odd that he purchased 4.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6lQsGTg.png)
And that was my question to Brian who said it was a simple matter of orders slipping through the system in the early days.I emailed EK referencing this thread and Brian said these are legitimate.
Well alright then. Thanks, Ray.
The reason I was asking, for reference, is that there was a limit of 2 keycaps per customer, so it seemed odd that he purchased 4.