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Title: Help with JIS layout bottom row
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 27 March 2015, 19:21:59
I'm designing a 60% board that will support as many layouts as possible. Right now it has support for:
Now I'm trying to solve a problem with JIS layout: the bottom row. I'm trying to use as much standard keycaps as possible, so I reached this configuration: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/763af5efef5f020b4251799278bbdb66 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/763af5efef5f020b4251799278bbdb66)

The spacebar in the link is using a 1×2 keycap, but possibly can be changed with no problems to a 1×2.25 keycap (not in the mockup, though). Japanese typers: is that bottom row layout good enough? Any suggestions for changes? Remember: I'm trying to use standard keycaps.
Title: Re: Help with JIS layout bottom row
Post by: KRKS on Sat, 28 March 2015, 03:50:00
I think JIS spacebars are 2.5u, but I'm not sure.

What I'd actually do is change right winkey to 1u and use a blank right shift as a spacebar, since JIS uses a 1.75u one anyway.
Title: Re: Help with JIS layout bottom row
Post by: berserkfan on Sat, 28 March 2015, 05:39:16
Quote from: KRKS on Sat, 28 March 2015, 03:50:00
I think JIS spacebars are 2.5u, but I'm not sure.

What I'd actually do is change right winkey to 1u and use a blank right shift as a spacebar, since JIS uses a 1.75u one anyway.

JIS spacebars are 3 and 4.5u depending on whether you're using standard Filco JIS, or Filco minila.


Title: Re: Help with JIS layout bottom row
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sat, 28 March 2015, 09:25:10
Quote from: berserkfan on Sat, 28 March 2015, 05:39:16
Quote from: KRKS on Sat, 28 March 2015, 03:50:00
I think JIS spacebars are 2.5u, but I'm not sure.

What I'd actually do is change right winkey to 1u and use a blank right shift as a spacebar, since JIS uses a 1.75u one anyway.

JIS spacebars are 3 and 4.5u depending on whether you're using standard Filco JIS, or Filco minila.

Yeah, that's why I have doubts. It seems that there isn't a rigid standard, or I can't find one. From what I researched, spacebar isn't needed in Japanese and Chinese as we Western language users need, that's why it's so tiny.

And 1×2.5 is exactly the keycap that I want to avoid, KRKS. I can't find it for sale on the aftermarket; SP don't sell them, for example. I think your suggestion would be fine, with a 1×2.75 spacebar: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/f769d80f941f5b726f11d08273602532