The manufacturers get some harsh words, we're nicer to the vendors. Easily happens when they are more distanced from us.
are we too hard on manufacturers then?
But who I would really love to see show up but I know I'm dreaming is PFU. I know many of us would love to give some input on changes they could make to the HHKB Pro.
You can never be too hard on the douchebags from irocks.
First, they came together and thought up that name. ****ing wannabees and marketing drones. I think they think they are pretty smart. It makes me puke.
Then, they do the fashionable marketing thing of going to the elite of users of their products and trying to game them, with the hope these users will then freely advertise their craptastic keyboards. Oh, if it only was that simple.
Really, I can smell these buzzword losers from a thousand miles. Two thousand. Harsh? This is purely reactionary. They want to game customers like the customer is some kind of *******. They decided to game geekhack not because they respect us, but they also think we're some kind of simpleton *******s who can easily be manipulated. Now that would require some marketing TALENT, not these losers.
You can never be too hard on the douchebags from irocks.
First, they came together and thought up that name. ****ing wannabees and marketing drones. I think they think they are pretty smart. It makes me puke.
Then, they do the fashionable marketing thing of going to the elite of users of their products and trying to game them, with the hope these users will then freely advertise their craptastic keyboards. Oh, if it only was that simple.
Really, I can smell these buzzword losers from a thousand miles. Two thousand. Harsh? This is purely reactionary. They want to game customers like the customer is some kind of *******. They decided to game geekhack not because they respect us, but they also think we're some kind of simpleton *******s who can easily be manipulated. Now that would require some marketing TALENT, not these losers.
i missed the whole irocks thing. i can see how webwit feels about it (lol!) but what did they do exactly? Is there a thread out there somewhere with the irock clash?[strike]I can't say it firsthand, but from reading a few old threads it seems that iRocks was marketing gamer keyboards with 10-something-KRO and other features while none of it is true. Sure, they altered the key matrix to support common gamer combinations up to 8 or more keys, but that doesn't mean the whole keyboard works like that.[/strike]
I can't say it firsthand, but from reading a few old threads it seems that iRocks was marketing gamer keyboards with 10-something-KRO and other features while none of it is true. Sure, they altered the key matrix to support common gamer combinations up to 8 or more keys, but that doesn't mean the whole keyboard works like that.
I can't say it firsthand, but from reading a few old threads it seems that iRocks was marketing gamer keyboards with 10-something-KRO and other features while none of it is true. Sure, they altered the key matrix to support common gamer combinations up to 8 or more keys, but that doesn't mean the whole keyboard works like that.
Damn. Just when I wanted to answer "yes".
So I guess the best way to know what webwit has against i-rocks is to let him tell the whole story.
It's the reverse L shaped enter key. Pure evil.
Reverse, or upside down? Personally I'd hate the upside-down L enter key more than the reverse L enter key.
webwit, king of geekhack: :-D
you best stay on his good side ;D
Reverse, or upside down? Personally I'd hate the upside-down L enter key more than the reverse L enter key.
I would adore such a design, but I have to admit most keyboard makers would find it too adventurous.
I'm curios but I can't imagine such layout. Would you post a picture, please? Thanks.
This isn't quite what he means, but having the Enter (and right shift) closer to the the right pinkie would be an improvement. And if the mountain won't come to Mohammed...Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3701&d=1249982099)
Technically it's also shifting the bottom row to the left.
Hmm... that's a good experiment. I thought E,R,T felt great and it was the bottom keys that sucked. May completely blow my mind though since it's no longer an angling of the wrist change.
I'm curios but I can't imagine such layout. Would you post a picture, please? Thanks.
Raj, have you tried the pyramid thing yet? It's pretty weird. The bottom left keys were the hardest for me.
No, I'm currently using Colemak layout with the key left of Z as a AutoHotkey modifier.
I'm quite tempted to go the whole hog and make a Carpalx QGMLWB layout, but shifted into a pyramid.
I would not recommend switching from Colemak to QGMLWB. Carpalx has been criticized for not minding same finger frequency. OTOH, Colemak scores high on every aspect.
Myself, I consider the reverse-L enter key a slight improvement on the normal 101-key enter key. What I hate on most of the keyboards that have it is that they take the |\ key, and put it between += and Backspace. When a keyboard instead puts |\ on the far side of the right shift key, I'm happy - because what I don't like is not being able to reach the Backspace key, not a bigger Enter key.
The problem with putting it in the "right" place, though, is that there's no good way to keep the {[ key next to the }] key, unless you make massive changes to the layout.
Why not put |\ it where Right Windows is on most 104s? You could even gimmick it that way via a scripting tool for test.
perfect set up for a sociology experiment, isn't it? :)
i trust our discerning and curious natures, that we'll continue to pick nits, pick brains, and snap pics. that's what i'm here for :)
Double dare Metadot to sign up for a Vendor forum too.
I'm probably going to be controversial here, especially being a lil' newbie.
The way to solve the vendor problem is to STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!
This is just fuelling the fire and making a mountain out of a molehill.
Everyone should be welcome here. All keyboard enthusiasts (the vendors we have here are enthusiasts). It's easy to tell whether someone is a vendor (although possibly it should be courtesy for the vendors to make this more prominent, e.g. stating it directly in their signature), and so any reasonable person can take their opinions on their own products with a grain of salt. No vendor can bury criticism, because they have a voice exactly equal to everyone else's here. If you want to point something out, you're absolutely welcome to.
The exception is in the vendor's forum, where the vendors answer questions on their own products. But even then, it isn't really an exception - if it's a point of some contention, everyone can express their opinion, including the vendor. It all works out in the end.
It's not a big deal. It's not an earth-shattering experiment.
And it's not a problem. But it can be, if we make it one.
So let's not.