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geekhack Marketplace => Interest Checks => Topic started by: VERGiL on Wed, 08 April 2015, 18:01:08
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Hey everyone,
I recently messaged Vortex and KBT Europe about an ISO version of the well known PBT/POM backlit keycap set from Massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/vortex-backlit-doubleshot-pbt-keycaps).
They replied to me:
Hello, No release date for the moment, as we id not plan it yet. But be assured that UK and DE are our main market, once we got a few interetest for that product we will just launch the production.
So here we are. This thread could be used for reference of our interest.
Currently, there is no backlit PBT option for ISO users. We have to change that guys :D
If we have some interest here, I will send the thread link to Vortex and KBT Europe.
Just post a comment in which specific layout (Nordic, UK, DE, ...) and color (Black, White) you're interested in.
(http://abload.de/img/10497250_722020544532e0osb.jpg)
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White - Italian or Spanish or Nordic or... :)
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ISO-DE or Nordic for me. red/black/white/green/blue.
Thanks for your dedication VERGiL
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Black ISO-DE plz.
Or any ISO, for that matter.
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ISO-DE or Nordic for me.
Black or white.
Europeans need some love, too.
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I guess I could be down for a black UK (or even better would be a US international) ISO layout
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Interested in one (preferredly black) ISO-DE.
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Interested in ISO-DE, black or white.
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I'm also interested in ISO-DE, black.
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...want ISO-DE, too. :)
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Black and white Nordic layout <3
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ISO White or Black, IT or UK, but only if it is cherry profile.
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Black UK ISO
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Black Nordic ISO, but any Black ISO would be very good.
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ISO-DE. Either color is fine. :D
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Interested in 2 (black+white) in ISO-German.
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Yay!
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ISO-de, black or white, idc!
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ISO Nordic would be great!
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White ISO Nordic (SE) :thumb:
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Nordic ISO please!!
I'd like both black and white, but probably more interest in black.
I don't think the colour should matter. Once they have the molds made, it's just a matter of running a batch with a different colour, so no extra costs involved at least.
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ISO Nordic, black caps :)
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Vikings represents
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Interested in at least one ISO-DE with black caps.
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Wow, nice to see a lot of interested people around here!
Personally, I'd like ISO-DE layout in black and white.
Keep posting guys. More interest = more chances for production :)
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ISO-DE, either color is fine.
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Guys, this is OEM profile, not cherry. Not interested anymore, sorry.
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Nordic and I don't care about the color
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ISO Nordic Black!
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ISO-DE black
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Interested in ISO-DE, any color.
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I'm interested in white German keycaps but would also take black ones.
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UK layout black
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I'm very interested in ISO Nordic black, that would be awesome :)
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ISO-DE, preferably black :D
1.75 right Shift would be a nice bonus
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DE Black for me
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ISO / DE Black
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Nordic ISO, white/white would be awesum.
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White ISO UK. That and a while ISO backlit Pok3r. Oh gawd, my pants can't bare the thought.
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Would love to see an ISO-UK in black or white, preferably black.
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ISO-Nordic black. All in, all the way!
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ISO-DE, any color :D
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ISO-DE black and white :thumb:
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Black ISO nordic
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ISO-DE White
(I'm actually typing this on the ANSI US Whites from Massdrop but there's a mixture of key caps on my ducky right meow ... )
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ISO-DE please please
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ISO-CH in white and i would buy 3 to 4 sets.
when thats not gonna happen i could live with a set of ISO DE keycaps
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ISO-CH in white and i would buy 3 to 4 sets.
when thats not gonna happen i could live with a set of ISO DE keycaps
If you don't mind me asking, what would you do with four sets?
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ISO-CH in white and i would buy 3 to 4 sets.
when thats not gonna happen i could live with a set of ISO DE keycaps
If you don't mind me asking, what would you do with four sets?
Id put them on 4 Keyboards :D
One for my ergodox
One for my ducky mini
One for the poker3 that I gonna buy
One for a keyboard I gonna build once I find time
Well if I think long enough I could buy a fifth just to have one in store..
FYI pbt swiss keycaps are a lil bit difficult to find. :(
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White - DE ISO
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Black - ISO DE :)
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I'm in!
NO or Nordic for me.
Both black, and white. Need both.
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Black ISO-Nordic! :-D
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This will be a veeeeeeeeeeeeeery long shot, but I would love to see an ABNT2 doubleshot black keyset.
(ABNT2 is the Brazilian standard layout, which is a modified ISO layout: the right shift is split in an extra 1×1 key and a 1×1.75 shift.)
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In a few days, Vortex will review this thread and see how much interest we have over here. If you haven't posted yet, don't hesitate to do so :D
By the way: A friend of mine is also interested in a white ISO-DE Set.
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White in Nordic, or any ISO really i'd settle with. I already ordered the last one on massdrop even though it's ANSI..
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I would be in for a TR layout but Uk would be fine too.
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ISO-Nordic white would be amazing!
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ISO-DE Black AND White :D
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Ohh man I'm going to be so happy if this ends up working out! ISO Nordic, color doesn't matter.
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ISO-DE for me. Black colour preferably, but I'm not picky.
I hope this works!
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ISO DE white for me :)
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ISO-UK, black (but white would be even better!)
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I have a non-standard bottom row on my main board. Hoping Vortex will release 1.5 U CTRL/ALT keys and a 6.0 U spacebar.
Is this a possibility?
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Nordic/Danish with white caps and black body, oyeah baby.
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ISO-DE for me. I would prefer white Keycaps but would take any color.
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Nordic white for me <3
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If the price is tempting enough then black nordic
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ISO Nordic white
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Update from KBT Europe!
ISO-DE will definitely be produced. No real estimate was given, but probably this summer :)
Other layouts possibly will be also done, if there is some more interest here. So keep posting :)
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ISO UK please,
also if possible numbers above the symbols !"£$ etc would be nice so the backlit hits the numbers rather than the symbols
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Update from KBT Europe!
ISO-DE will definitely be produced. No real estimate was given, but probably this summer :)
Other layouts possibly will be also done, if there is some more interest here. So keep posting :)
Not that I personally want ISO-DE for my self but it's nice to see that we have their attention!
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White ISO- Nordic for me!
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White iso pt here ;)
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I'm interested in ISO nordic white
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Another mark in the UK black column.
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Very interested in ISO Nordic. Colour doesn't matter just that this item exists.
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Nordic, Black :D
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ISO-DE .. just make it happen guys ;D ;D ;D
and like jackson said: "BLACK OR WHITE!"
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ISO Nordic.
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ISO UK, Black or white would be happy with either.
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I'm surprised that there are this amount of people interested in Nordic sets
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ISO UK. I'm a nordic user myself, but I can't stand the horrible mixture of norwegian/swedish/danish layout. Just look how messy it gets! (random example picture) http://i.imgur.com/BrXuOI3.jpg
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ISO UK. I'm a nordic user myself, but I can't stand the horrible mixture of norwegian/swedish/danish layout. Just look how messy it gets! (random example picture) http://i.imgur.com/BrXuOI3.jpg
But the signs like "?" Are differently placed. Need Nordic!
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ISO-Nordic, I prefer black but I would either one! :)
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ISO UK. I'm a nordic user myself, but I can't stand the horrible mixture of norwegian/swedish/danish layout. Just look how messy it gets! (random example picture) http://i.imgur.com/BrXuOI3.jpg
But the signs like "?" Are differently placed. Need Nordic!
I agree, I don't like it either but it's almost the standard now, sadly. I don't understand why they don't include all the separate nordic keys and let people put them on themselves. Instead of having the [ØÆÖ], [ÆØÄ], [Å] keys just make [Æ], [Ø], [Å], [Ö], [Ä]. It's only two more keys!
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ISO UK. I'm a nordic user myself, but I can't stand the horrible mixture of norwegian/swedish/danish layout. Just look how messy it gets! (random example picture) http://i.imgur.com/BrXuOI3.jpg
But the signs like "?" Are differently placed. Need Nordic!
I agree, I don't like it either but it's almost the standard now, sadly. I don't understand why they don't include all the separate nordic keys and let people put them on themselves. Instead of having the [ØÆÖ], [ÆØÄ], [Å] keys just make [Æ], [Ø], [Å], [Ö], [Ä]. It's only two more keys!
I totally agree. Look at Matt3o's keyset's with the international packages. The keyboard looks like a million $ compared to the "Nordic" sets. But I'll be totally satified with the Nordic sets, as they are common practice now as you say.
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ISO UK. I'm a nordic user myself, but I can't stand the horrible mixture of norwegian/swedish/danish layout. Just look how messy it gets! (random example picture) http://i.imgur.com/BrXuOI3.jpg
But the signs like "?" Are differently placed. Need Nordic!
I agree, I don't like it either but it's almost the standard now, sadly. I don't understand why they don't include all the separate nordic keys and let people put them on themselves. Instead of having the [ØÆÖ], [ÆØÄ], [Å] keys just make [Æ], [Ø], [Å], [Ö], [Ä]. It's only two more keys!
I totally agree. Look at Matt3o's keyset's with the international packages. The keyboard looks like a million $ compared to the "Nordic" sets. But I'll be totally satified with the Nordic sets, as they are common practice now as you say.
I have the Granites with Norwegian keys only and it is beautiful!
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I have the Granites with Norwegian keys only and it is beautiful!
screenshot or didnt happen!
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I have the Granites with Norwegian keys only and it is beautiful!
screenshot or didnt happen!
With Swedish layout
(http://i.imgur.com/XALRnDG.jpg)
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looks really nice :D
and now back to topic!
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Very nice!
But yes - black UK ISO for me :)
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I have the Granites with Norwegian keys only and it is beautiful!
screenshot or didnt happen!
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/09/15106889058d44799034157f70891be8.jpg)
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-> ISO-DE ...
Interesting colours: black, grey or white.
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100% want QWERTY ISO-UK in Black. :)
(Bonus points for 6.5 space bar - I can dream!)
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100% ISO-DE black :)
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ISO-Nordic and i'm in!
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ISO-German preferred, any color
But nordic is an OK compromise for all :cool:
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ISO Nordic/Swedish White Keyboard, White Caps, White LED :D
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ISO-DE, would buy either black or white
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ISO-DE, l'm totally into white keycaps
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ISO-Nordic, would buy black
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DE or Nordic, color doesn't matter much. Would prefer a simple ISO kit but that's even more unlikely to happen I guess.
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Would prefer a simple ISO kit but that's even more unlikely to happen I guess.
Yeah, I honestly don't mind much either, just hope for ISO to gather more momentum
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UK Black
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ISO - DE , black or white
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ISO UK white with (if possible) 6.5 space bar ;D
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any timescale on when this is going ahead?
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ISO UK white with (if possible) 6.5 space bar ;D
I know I would get one if made available. But I would want the 6.5 spacebar as an extra and not the only size in the set.
I would also buy a 2nd set in black
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Those sets are coming, but don't have anything to do with this ISO IC :)
(http://abload.de/img/11351241_871734512894tir13.jpg)
Source: https://www.facebook.com/Vortexgear/photos/a.863351087065936.1073741849.241720585895659/871734512894260/?type=1&theater
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ISO DE black (but would take white also)
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ISO - Nordic in black would be a definite buy from me!
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Is this it? https://www.facebook.com/Vortexgear/posts/868892243178487
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Is this it? https://www.facebook.com/Vortexgear/posts/868892243178487
Those are ABS afaik. PBT coming soon, confirmed
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Is this it? https://www.facebook.com/Vortexgear/posts/868892243178487
Those are ABS afaik. PBT coming soon, confirmed
Ah, okay! :D
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Hey there, black ISO-BE for me.
Thanks for submitting !!
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Definitely interested. Technically I'd like Nordic but failing that ISO-DE would also be very good.
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Any news on this?
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Black/White ISO Nordic
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Yeah! I'm in for ISO-DE Black AND White.
Coole Scheisse, endlich mal PBT im deutschem Layout :thumb:
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UK white
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ISO UK Black and White
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I would be interested in white on black ISO DE caps!
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White DE here
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White ISO Nordic
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Black or White UK ISO.
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Is this going anywhere?
If so, White ISO Nordic would be my preference.
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Spoken to some friends so can up my interest to 3-4 sets of ISO UK rather than 1
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Black ISO-SE for me please! :)
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Looks like we made it to the finish line.
They are produced!
https://www.facebook.com/Vortexgear/posts/919234858144225
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White ISO-FR, but it seems I'm the only one interested in this layout... :(
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Quick question, is still going? if yes i would love to get White(if white is possible) NORDIC ISO layout keycaps
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Black ISO Nordic
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If this is still going I would absolutely get white ISO Uk
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Hello, first post here. I've been following this thread for a while now - is this going somewhere?
Nevertheless - i would like:
2x blacks (Ducky Legend, Shine Slim)
1x whites (Ducky Mini 2)
please.
Greetz, Fritz
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Hello, first post here. I've been following this thread for a while now - is this going somewhere?
At least ISO-DE will be available at corus-kb.com in the near future. They didn't give any estimates though.
Maybe other ISO layouts are coming soon.
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Hope this comes through! :)
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Hello, first post here. I've been following this thread for a while now - is this going somewhere?
At least ISO-DE will be available at corus-kb.com in the near future. They didn't give any estimates though.
Maybe other ISO layouts are coming soon.
I still like to have those side printed black pbt keycaps.. But recently got an old g80-3000 with beige/grey caps + some GBs incoming, so i think i will just wait until corus has plenty of them and buy a set for my next board next year.
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Sorry for bumping this old topic, but did you get an answer?
I would be interested in a Black ISO-DE one:)
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Sorry for bumping this old topic, but did you get an answer?
I would be interested in a Black ISO-DE one:)
Second.
I'm in need for some ISO PBT love.
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I would get Black Uk ISO
A solid answer about production would be great :)
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I would like to get black ISO DE :D
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Hi everybody, first post.
I would like Black ISO Italian.
I'm new to this what do I have to do exaclty?
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Hi everybody, first post.
I would like Black ISO Italian.
I'm new to this what do I have to do exaclty?
Hi & Welcome!
This is just an IC(Interest Check) to gather how much people might be interested... for now you'll just have to wait :)
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Hi everybody, first post.
I would like Black ISO Italian.
I'm new to this what do I have to do exaclty?
Hi & Welcome!
This is just an IC(Interest Check) to gather how much people might be interested... for now you'll just have to wait :)
Ok, thanks BumbiBear.
I will go in guru meditation. :)
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Preferably Black DE ISO
UK/US/Blank ISO in any color would also be fine.
My ISO Ducky Shine is desperate already with its stock keys ;)
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I would be interested in any iso layout in white (preferably uk or de).
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Danish ISO, preferable Carbon black or else just black.
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ISO nordic white
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Vikings represents
Woo!
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Such a bummer. It's been almost a year now and nothing happened.
I got no reply from KBT Europe and Vortex in the last months.
Even their european retailer "Corus Keyboards" knows nothing about backlit ISO PBT caps.
Sorry guys. I did my best. Lets just wait and see what happens.
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It's OK VERGiL, thanks for your commitment anyway.
I have no other explanation except for Vortex seeing this as not profitable, and it is a pity because is so hard to find such keycaps in theese layouts.
Is this really hopeless or we can try something else?
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This sucks. Their Facebook page is full of people wanting this too, why wont they make it?
They even told us it was coming
https://www.facebook.com/Vortexgear/posts/868892243178487?comment_id=868938799840498&reply_comment_id=868943309840047&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R6%22%7D
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black - DE ISO
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Let's non-violently carpet-bomb them with mails and posts, we at least deserve an answer.
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And two white. Looks like white is more bright.
so white - iso
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I'd love a set of these in ISO uk white too. I tried emailing Vortex a week or two back pleading for an ISO version of these keycaps but seems to have fallen on deaf/uninterested ears :(
As an earlier poster mentioned, its not like there isnt interest in these. Their facebook page has numerous requests and they've even hinted/teased about them coming. They don't tend to post very often though. Real shame as their is virtually nothing in ISO white backlit keycaps (except Ducky, and only Ducky) available, even worse if you have a keyboard with non standard bottom row.
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So I've been doing some digging for backlit ISO keycaps and have come across an alternative to Vortex.
Not sure if these will have the option to be PBT but still better than what we have atm (nothing). Got in touch with Max Keyboards and it seems they are in the middle of designing customisable sets of backlit keycaps including ISO (hallelujah). Copy of email with contact below.
Dear Jason
Thank you for contacting us for your inquiry.
We do planning to release ISO UK layout custom backlit keycap set after engineer has complete to fine tune the jig.
We will have most of the keycaps fit to Corsair keyboard, but 6.5 spacebar is not available, we do have non-backlit or translucent 6.5 spacebar.
Please do not hesitate to contact me for any inquiry, thank you.
Best Regards,
Kent Chang
MaxKeyboard
www.facebook.com/maxkeyboard
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Really late to the party, but ISO Nordic.
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It seems unreasonable for Vortex to ignore such an opportunity. There must be some many people desperately wanting reasonably priced higher quality keycaps in ISO. I own a set of Vortex Doubleshots (non-backlit version) and I consider them to be a good choice pricing at around 25 dollars on massdrop. Honestly, I think both sides are missing out here.
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It seems unreasonable for Vortex to ignore such an opportunity.
Not really, this thread has been up for almost a year, and there are still only 160 replies on it.
Most people asking for different layouts. Some people want UK, some want DE, and others Nordic, and then there's also got to be some that want AZERTY or even something else.
I wish they would make an ISO set (UK would work for me), but I also understand that they don't want to have the tooling made and not be able to sell enough to pay for that tooling
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Yeah and it is understandable.
The sad thing is that italian layouts are so hard to come by, basically no one makes them.
Honestly Vortex was my last hope to build my own keyboard, now I really don't know whare to look for.
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White - UK-ISO pls :)
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I guess at this point chances are very slim of this actually succeeding within the next few years, but I'd take ISO DE in white if they ever came available.
I'd be fine with ANSI enter, too, if I get German script and the short shift.
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It seems that there is no chance for this, but I am very interested in a set of DE black.
DE white sounds also good, but I would prefer black.
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I remember how I was excited about Vortex announcing ISO layout PBT doubleshots a year ago.
Some misconceptions here:
- The number of sets made for an ISO layout like ISO-DE would probably be far less than 1/10th of the ANSI set that sold thousands on Massdrop alone. Expecting a price <50$ will likely disapoint you. Let's hope for <100$
- It's very easy for a company to promise something like that and very stupid to tell people to buzz off when requesting something like that. Keeping us all waiting for a set keeps us from buying/searching other alternatives.
- Who will sell/distribute this set in Germany or the EU? CorusKB? After seeing how the sales of the great DUCKY PBT keycaps on Caseking went, they will probably not take this risk again.
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Yeah and it is understandable.
The sad thing is that italian layouts are so hard to come by, basically no one makes them.
Honestly Vortex was my last hope to build my own keyboard, now I really don't know whare to look for.
I believe Coolermaster will have italian keys out "soon" (and not a Blizzard soon).
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Yeah and it is understandable.
The sad thing is that italian layouts are so hard to come by, basically no one makes them.
Honestly Vortex was my last hope to build my own keyboard, now I really don't know whare to look for.
I believe Coolermaster will have italian keys out "soon" (and not a Blizzard soon).
Cooler Master is going to make an italian keyset or a keyboard?
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Hi,
I'm new to mechanical keyboards, but i like them a lot. It seems to be hard to find decent keycaps, my ABS keycaps are starting to wear off after just a few weeks. So I would buy:
1x white ISO
1x black ISO
I prefer ISO-DE, but ISO-UK or ISO-Nordic will work for me, too.
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I have hard time understanding why won't they just create a set of keys that include all special ISO keys and sell it separately. I wouldn't mind even if it costs double since having doubleshot PBT makes the set last far longer time. I can't believe it wouldn't turn profit if they would price the individual keys triple compared to your standard set.
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I have hard time understanding why won't they just create a set of keys that include all special ISO keys and sell it separately. I wouldn't mind even if it costs double since having doubleshot PBT makes the set last far longer time. I can't believe it wouldn't turn profit if they would price the individual keys triple compared to your standard set.
I read that comment as: you have a hard time understanding supply and demand?
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I have hard time understanding why won't they just create a set of keys that include all special ISO keys and sell it separately. I wouldn't mind even if it costs double since having doubleshot PBT makes the set last far longer time. I can't believe it wouldn't turn profit if they would price the individual keys triple compared to your standard set.
I read that comment as: you have a hard time understanding supply and demand?
Ducky sold PBT keycaps in ISO and they were listed on PC component websites, but whenever I looked randomly over the last two years there were never any in stock. Looking today they have been replaced by Tai Hao doubleshots...
The demand is there, Vortex just failed to capitalise on it.
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I have hard time understanding why won't they just create a set of keys that include all special ISO keys and sell it separately. I wouldn't mind even if it costs double since having doubleshot PBT makes the set last far longer time. I can't believe it wouldn't turn profit if they would price the individual keys triple compared to your standard set.
I read that comment as: you have a hard time understanding supply and demand?
Ducky sold PBT keycaps in ISO and they were listed on PC component websites, but whenever I looked randomly over the last two years there were never any in stock. Looking today they have been replaced by Tai Hao doubleshots...
The demand is there, Vortex just failed to capitalise on it.
Yes, thats right, I have 2 Ducky ISO/Nordic keycaps sets.
(http://i.imgur.com/QbDZ8L0.jpg)
Ducky ISO/Nordic laser engraved keycaps set.
(http://i.imgur.com/Das8vEO.jpg)
Sorry for the bad pictures.
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I have hard time understanding why won't they just create a set of keys that include all special ISO keys and sell it separately. I wouldn't mind even if it costs double since having doubleshot PBT makes the set last far longer time. I can't believe it wouldn't turn profit if they would price the individual keys triple compared to your standard set.
I read that comment as: you have a hard time understanding supply and demand?
Ducky sold PBT keycaps in ISO and they were listed on PC component websites, but whenever I looked randomly over the last two years there were never any in stock. Looking today they have been replaced by Tai Hao doubleshots...
The demand is there, Vortex just failed to capitalise on it.
I'm not saying there isn't demand. The demand obviously wasn't enough to make it worth their time.
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I have hard time understanding why won't they just create a set of keys that include all special ISO keys and sell it separately. I wouldn't mind even if it costs double since having doubleshot PBT makes the set last far longer time. I can't believe it wouldn't turn profit if they would price the individual keys triple compared to your standard set.
I read that comment as: you have a hard time understanding supply and demand?
Ducky sold PBT keycaps in ISO and they were listed on PC component websites, but whenever I looked randomly over the last two years there were never any in stock. Looking today they have been replaced by Tai Hao doubleshots...
The demand is there, Vortex just failed to capitalise on it.
I'm not saying there isn't demand. The demand obviously wasn't enough to make it worth their time.
Guess we should be happy that Tai Hao value their time less than Vortex then :))
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I have hard time understanding why won't they just create a set of keys that include all special ISO keys and sell it separately. I wouldn't mind even if it costs double since having doubleshot PBT makes the set last far longer time. I can't believe it wouldn't turn profit if they would price the individual keys triple compared to your standard set.
I read that comment as: you have a hard time understanding supply and demand?
That's quite a stretch. It's obviously out of the question to produce full sets for each ISO region, but if they produced somewhat overpriced sets of all ISO caps it would: increase their overall sales by a large margin even for the standard sets due to increased customer base AND increase the brand exposure for their products in ISO regions.
The sets are already being made for the Pok3r which includes every single one of the non-standard caps, hence the production line is already in place and would need exactly zero investment to build.
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I'm not an expert but I think that a keyset which would include all the neglected Countries would sell decently well.
At least for no other reason that there would be no alternative.
But honestly I don't see that coming any time soon so, ironically, I would be better to buy a cheap mechanical keyboard with decent keycaps and cannibalize it...
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I have hard time understanding why won't they just create a set of keys that include all special ISO keys and sell it separately. I wouldn't mind even if it costs double since having doubleshot PBT makes the set last far longer time. I can't believe it wouldn't turn profit if they would price the individual keys triple compared to your standard set.
I read that comment as: you have a hard time understanding supply and demand?
That's quite a stretch. It's obviously out of the question to produce full sets for each ISO region, but if they produced somewhat overpriced sets of all ISO caps it would: increase their overall sales by a large margin even for the standard sets due to increased customer base AND increase the brand exposure for their products in ISO regions.
The sets are already being made for the Pok3r which includes every single one of the non-standard caps, hence the production line is already in place and would need exactly zero investment to build.
I was unaware that shine-through caps are available for ISO layout RGB Pokers. I have only been able to find ANSI-specific caps.
In any case, the market for people who actually bother to change keycaps is exceedingly small. Much smaller than most people here would estimates (we are all surrounded by a filter bubble of keyboards enthusiasts here, it is the entire point of this forum after all).
What most people don't realise is that while you may think there are good demands for custom keysets, a few hundred units sold one way or another means absolutely nothing to manufacturers. Unless the market is there for thousands or tens of thousands of units sold, it is unlikely to even make a blip in the radar of medium to large companies. Having an extra SKU to worry about, along with all the supply chain considerations along with it (another item to have in your stock management) for a meagre few hundred sales doesn't make sense.
Just look at GMK Carbon, arguably the best-selling GMK keyset in recent history, with 2k+ order sold. The (mostly) fully featured International add-on is currently available for a very reasonable price point, and currently sits at 36 orders.
Most SP group buys I have seen or participated in so far has sold meagre few units of their international child sets (usually in the low tens of unit, single digit in some cases), and has struggle to meet MOQ for those specific child sets, even on wildly popular SA groupbuys.
I keep saying this, but the demand for this kind of thing just isn't as high as you think it is.
Edit: Having that said, there appears to be an EU vendor selling pre orders for ISO-specific shinethrough kits for the Poker, buy up before they sell out folks
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Just look at GMK Carbon, arguably the best-selling GMK keyset in recent history, with 2k+ order sold. The (mostly) fully featured International add-on is currently available for a very reasonable price point, and currently sits at 36 orders.
While I agree with almost everything you said, GMK Carbon is a bad example because a lot of people interested in international layouts didn't buy the base kit. At the time it was very unclear whether an international kit would ever be made. And frankly, while I ordered an international kit, I am almost hoping that it doesn't meet MOQ because buying a base kit from the aftermarket is a major pita.
BTW, this new GB is offering an amazing variety of layouts: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85828.msg2302882#msg2302882. They are PBT but dye sublimated.
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Just look at GMK Carbon, arguably the best-selling GMK keyset in recent history, with 2k+ order sold. The (mostly) fully featured International add-on is currently available for a very reasonable price point, and currently sits at 36 orders.
While I agree with almost everything you said, GMK Carbon is a bad example because a lot of people interested in international layouts didn't buy the base kit. At the time it was very unclear whether an international kit would ever be made. And frankly, while I ordered an international kit, I am almost hoping that it doesn't meet MOQ because buying a base kit from the aftermarket is a major pita.
BTW, this new GB is offering an amazing variety of layouts: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85828.msg2302882#msg2302882. They are PBT but dye sublimated.
While I'm quite excited for the XDA GB as well, it doesn't seem to address the backlit part of the equation?
I quite agree with the sentiment about international sets, Wodan has been doing an excellent job of making it easier to keyset designers to incorporate better ISO supports for their keysets, but given the tepid response so far, I am uncertain that the situation will improve anytime soon.
In the meantime, I will continue to use US-international layouts for the sets that do not have proper ISO support, and luckily ISO-UK has a relatively higher uptake and other variants of ISO due to the small number of unique keys.
There's a German-specific GB for ISO-DE GMK Dolch that is struggling mightily to meet MOQ. That is a bit sad, but it reflects the realities of the market (that is, one monolithic kit with support for everysingle ISO flavour is too big and unwieldy, and will be very expensive, and having separate kits for each country will kill the entire thing due to MOQ reasons). Aside from suggesting Wodan's ISO framework kit to every keyset designer going forward, I don't really have any other good suggestions on how to improve this.
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Just look at GMK Carbon, arguably the best-selling GMK keyset in recent history, with 2k+ order sold. The (mostly) fully featured International add-on is currently available for a very reasonable price point, and currently sits at 36 orders.
While I agree with almost everything you said, GMK Carbon is a bad example because a lot of people interested in international layouts didn't buy the base kit. At the time it was very unclear whether an international kit would ever be made. And frankly, while I ordered an international kit, I am almost hoping that it doesn't meet MOQ because buying a base kit from the aftermarket is a major pita.
BTW, this new GB is offering an amazing variety of layouts: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85828.msg2302882#msg2302882. They are PBT but dye sublimated.
Yeah, carbon international is doomed to fail. I don't see why T0mb3ry would not add the necessary keys to the kit so that one could use it to fill a keyboard. This is the same as if someone in a year would start selling skeletor international kits. Do note that the 36 kit figure is from four days ago, on a linear progression we would now be at 70+.
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Just look at GMK Carbon, arguably the best-selling GMK keyset in recent history, with 2k+ order sold. The (mostly) fully featured International add-on is currently available for a very reasonable price point, and currently sits at 36 orders.
While I agree with almost everything you said, GMK Carbon is a bad example because a lot of people interested in international layouts didn't buy the base kit. At the time it was very unclear whether an international kit would ever be made. And frankly, while I ordered an international kit, I am almost hoping that it doesn't meet MOQ because buying a base kit from the aftermarket is a major pita.
BTW, this new GB is offering an amazing variety of layouts: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85828.msg2302882#msg2302882. They are PBT but dye sublimated.
Yeah, carbon international is doomed to fail. I don't see why T0mb3ry would not add the necessary keys to the kit so that one could use it to fill a keyboard. This is the same as if someone in a year would start selling skeletor international kits. Do note that the 36 kit figure is from four days ago, on a linear progression we would now be at 70+.
Because the international kit wasn't in the plans to begin with, but as the base kit proved unexpectedly popular, Tombery started work on the add-on kit due to popular requests from people who asked during the GB. IIRC he only considered the add-on close to the end of the GB, so there wasn't enough time to add the option to the main GB (a lot of coordination needed with GMK regarding quotes etc etc)
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Just look at GMK Carbon, arguably the best-selling GMK keyset in recent history, with 2k+ order sold. The (mostly) fully featured International add-on is currently available for a very reasonable price point, and currently sits at 36 orders.
While I agree with almost everything you said, GMK Carbon is a bad example because a lot of people interested in international layouts didn't buy the base kit. At the time it was very unclear whether an international kit would ever be made. And frankly, while I ordered an international kit, I am almost hoping that it doesn't meet MOQ because buying a base kit from the aftermarket is a major pita.
BTW, this new GB is offering an amazing variety of layouts: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85828.msg2302882#msg2302882. They are PBT but dye sublimated.
Yeah, carbon international is doomed to fail. I don't see why T0mb3ry would not add the necessary keys to the kit so that one could use it to fill a keyboard. This is the same as if someone in a year would start selling skeletor international kits. Do note that the 36 kit figure is from four days ago, on a linear progression we would now be at 70+.
Because the international kit wasn't in the plans to begin with, but as the base kit proved unexpectedly popular, Tombery started work on the add-on kit due to popular requests from people who asked during the GB. IIRC he only considered the add-on close to the end of the GB, so there wasn't enough time to add the option to the main GB (a lot of coordination needed with GMK regarding quotes etc etc)
Yes, I know the background. I just don't see why international is not sold as stand-alone kit. It would be cheaper as a whole by removing stuff like ansi enter and hhkb backspace, while not forcing them to source main sets at a premium from the aftermarket.
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Just look at GMK Carbon, arguably the best-selling GMK keyset in recent history, with 2k+ order sold. The (mostly) fully featured International add-on is currently available for a very reasonable price point, and currently sits at 36 orders.
While I agree with almost everything you said, GMK Carbon is a bad example because a lot of people interested in international layouts didn't buy the base kit. At the time it was very unclear whether an international kit would ever be made. And frankly, while I ordered an international kit, I am almost hoping that it doesn't meet MOQ because buying a base kit from the aftermarket is a major pita.
BTW, this new GB is offering an amazing variety of layouts: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85828.msg2302882#msg2302882. They are PBT but dye sublimated.
Yeah, carbon international is doomed to fail. I don't see why T0mb3ry would not add the necessary keys to the kit so that one could use it to fill a keyboard. This is the same as if someone in a year would start selling skeletor international kits. Do note that the 36 kit figure is from four days ago, on a linear progression we would now be at 70+.
Because the international kit wasn't in the plans to begin with, but as the base kit proved unexpectedly popular, Tombery started work on the add-on kit due to popular requests from people who asked during the GB. IIRC he only considered the add-on close to the end of the GB, so there wasn't enough time to add the option to the main GB (a lot of coordination needed with GMK regarding quotes etc etc)
Yes, I know the background. I just don't see why international is not sold as stand-alone kit. It would be cheaper to remove stuff like ansi enter and hhkb backspace, while not forcing then to source main sets at a premium from the aftermarket.
As in having a full set with iso-int and removing some other keys? I think that way we're running into MOQ issues again
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Just look at GMK Carbon, arguably the best-selling GMK keyset in recent history, with 2k+ order sold. The (mostly) fully featured International add-on is currently available for a very reasonable price point, and currently sits at 36 orders.
While I agree with almost everything you said, GMK Carbon is a bad example because a lot of people interested in international layouts didn't buy the base kit. At the time it was very unclear whether an international kit would ever be made. And frankly, while I ordered an international kit, I am almost hoping that it doesn't meet MOQ because buying a base kit from the aftermarket is a major pita.
BTW, this new GB is offering an amazing variety of layouts: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85828.msg2302882#msg2302882. They are PBT but dye sublimated.
Yeah, carbon international is doomed to fail. I don't see why T0mb3ry would not add the necessary keys to the kit so that one could use it to fill a keyboard. This is the same as if someone in a year would start selling skeletor international kits. Do note that the 36 kit figure is from four days ago, on a linear progression we would now be at 70+.
Because the international kit wasn't in the plans to begin with, but as the base kit proved unexpectedly popular, Tombery started work on the add-on kit due to popular requests from people who asked during the GB. IIRC he only considered the add-on close to the end of the GB, so there wasn't enough time to add the option to the main GB (a lot of coordination needed with GMK regarding quotes etc etc)
Yes, I know the background. I just don't see why international is not sold as stand-alone kit. It would be cheaper to remove stuff like ansi enter and hhkb backspace, while not forcing then to source main sets at a premium from the aftermarket.
As in having a full set with iso-int and removing some other keys? I think that way we're running into MOQ issues again
but with 150MOQ on the international addon (more expensive to international folk) is not? I bet that even if we just add keys, say those that wodan has been pushing, at 15 USD markup, I bet that we would have found 150 users buying the set. I has been requested on massdrop like 1500 times.
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but with 150MOQ on the international addon (more expensive to international folk) is not? I bet that even if we just add keys, say those that wodan has been pushing, at 15 USD markup, I bet that we would have found 150 users buying the set. I has been requested on massdrop like 1500 times.
Maybe a good suggestion for GMK Carbon R2, for now I'll just cross my fingers that the International add on kit makes MOQ
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but with 150MOQ on the international addon (more expensive to international folk) is not? I bet that even if we just add keys, say those that wodan has been pushing, at 15 USD markup, I bet that we would have found 150 users buying the set. I has been requested on massdrop like 1500 times.
Maybe a good suggestion for GMK Carbon R2, for now I'll just cross my fingers that the International add on kit makes MOQ
I'm just afraid that if this fails now, people will use it as a pretext for not even trying in the future. This fiasco is as representative as if people would say that electric cars don't make sense while the only method for obtaining one would be to buy a hummer and the dream that you can convert it in the (possible) future.
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but with 150MOQ on the international addon (more expensive to international folk) is not? I bet that even if we just add keys, say those that wodan has been pushing, at 15 USD markup, I bet that we would have found 150 users buying the set. I has been requested on massdrop like 1500 times.
Maybe a good suggestion for GMK Carbon R2, for now I'll just cross my fingers that the International add on kit makes MOQ
I'm just afraid that if this fails now, people will use it as a pretext for not even trying in the future. This fiasco is as representative as if people would say that electric cars don't make sense while the only method for obtaining one would be to buy a hummer and the dream that you can convert it in the (possible) future.
Well the only thing I can do is to throw +1 in the pile for the international add kit and hope for the best, just need 149 more people to do the same in the next 7 days
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Yea, I'm waiting to find one from the aftermarket at a reasonable price first. This international fiasco may have risen the aftermarket price already. The sets are going for 300$ or being traded to Carbon SA, which is usually going for about the same amount.
Imagine the horror should I buy a set at 300 only to find out that the customs find it and want 80+ more. :eek: Then the international kit + postage (50) on top with customs charges as well. So an international GMK set is worth just under 450 USD. One can buy one offs from SP at that price...
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Yea, I'm waiting to find one from the aftermarket at a reasonable price first. This international fiasco may have risen the aftermarket price already. The sets are going for 300$ or being traded to Carbon SA, which is usually going for about the same amount.
Imagine the horror should I buy a set at 300 only to find out that the customs find it and want 80+ more. :eek: Then the international kit + postage (50) on top with customs charges as well. So an international GMK set is worth just under 450 USD. One can buy one offs from SP at that price...
I think you are exaggerating a bit, most sale post I've seen for GMK Carbon has listed it at $150-180, with the greedier ones going for $200 or slightly above. I have yet to see one much higher than that unless the novelties kit is included. In any case, you could just get the Int kit not and wait for the market to settle a bit. Or sell back the Int kit if you don't manage to find a base kit for yourself (I know that's not the best advice, spending money now in the hopes of getting base kit later, but at least you will help a good cause (proving there's at least some level of demands for ISO caps) :p
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Is it possible to get ISO PT-pt (Portuguese) PBT backlit in black?
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Can somebody explain to me why Vortex and KBT Europe couldn't make money making International Kits, when others can? Tai-Hao make doubleshot PBT with International Kits, even with all 5 separate Nordic keys.
Am I really the only one satisfied with a reality where you buy ANSI or ISO sets, then supplement with a full featured and expensive International Kit that includes most alternative layouts? I really don't mind the extra cost and the 50 caps that go in the trash, as long as my keyboard looks perfect.
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I don't mind ansi or iso
I am interested in DE double shot thick PBT white caps with backlit