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It's actually too small now though....
Nice did you make that yourself?
Caption: "Hmmm, which one am I going to use today..."Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=2884&stc=1&d=1246011163)Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=2885&stc=1&d=1246011163)
It's actually too small now though....
I just kind of have them floating around.
Individual boxes with blue painters tape on the sides and big sharpie labelling. Then I just stack them in a corner.
I'm disappointed. I thought you might have had some kind of Russian doll setup in which you could pop open a bigger keyboard to reveal a smaller keyboard inside, which would pop open to reveal an even smaller keyboard, which would...
Neat little bags you have there, did you make them yourself or did you buy them somewhere?
US$15 can custom made 100 keyboard bags in http://www.taobao.com (China biggest auctions place like Ebay).
using somekind of recycle bag material.Show Image(http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss318/HKEPCLED/IMG_0388.jpg)
US$15 can custom made 100 keyboard bags in http://www.taobao.com (China biggest auctions place like Ebay).
using somekind of recycle bag material.
Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=2884&stc=1&d=1246011163)Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=2885&stc=1&d=1246011163)
It's actually too small now though....
It's actually too small now though....
Wouldn't it be the same amount of room since it's in the same cupboard?no there is a lot of airspace in it right now, with his solution less airspace would exist
Personally, I'd say that throwing the keyboards in a big pile on one shelf would solve your spacial issues. That's what I do.
Nice collection and cool storage shelves.
Where's your original IBM PC AT 84-key Model F big feller?
You initially stated you had no interest in trying one of the original real buckling spring keyboards, but I distinctly remember in a later post you said something about being open to try all the various types of keyboards.
If you never try something new, you never know what your missing. :rolleyes: No other keyboard has awesome mechanical action of the 84-key PC AT keyboard. The Model M is very good, but pales in comparison.
Removing every second shelf (at least some) and storing the boards vertically in those would give you a lot more room.
Well I'm not out to waste money, and I know for a fact that I will never use a Model F for its layout/size/style no matter how good the switches are. The other part of it would be the fact that Model F lovers argued that it should have been grouped together with regular buckling springs in the switch poll which would indicate that it is not so drastically different from a Model M. Buckling springs rank quite low on my list of favorite switches so I really have no desire to try an F. If it were cheap, I'd probably try one, but its not (especially after factoring in the shipping fee to Hawaii).
Lumping Model F Buckling Springs, especially the PC AT 84-key together with the Model Ms makes no sense and was really done to skew the results of the switch poll.
The orginal IBM PC AT 84-key Model F is considered to be the finest keyboard ever produced by Sandy and is highly ranked by many of the Japanese keyboard sites. It is like no other keyboard. My only complaint is that the space bar is too stiff - especially if you switch between the PC AT 84-key and the HHKB Pro 2 and Topre Realforce 87 as I've been doing recently.
The Model Ms are fine buckling spring keyboards, I have more than a dozen in my collection, but they do not even rank in my top 3 keyboards. After the PC AT 84-key, I really like the Topre switches, the original complicated ALPS, and recently, even the Cherry Blues on my Filco.
I'm not a philantrophist kyamei, but you tempt me to send you an orginal IBM PC AT 84-key (at not cost to you) so you can try it out for yourself and provide us with a review. Of course, I would arrange to have it shipped back to me when you are done testing it :smile:
I guess I enjoy challenges, especially when they involve things I am passionate about.
I also have no interest in buying the Model F these days.
Anything bigger than a Model M Mini is too big and clunky for my tastes. And yes, I've definitely tried bigger keyboards.
I intentionally make the distinction between the original PC AT 84-key keyboard and the PC/XT keyboard also known as the Model F. Many people lump the PC AT keyboard in with the Model F, but that is not how IBM identifed the keyboards. A PC AT 84-key in good condition blows everything else away. Amazingly, the typing Nirvana (described as euporia on Sandy's site) is worth the trade-off for the clunky footprint and awkward key layout for many who have tried it.I know you want to keep the model F and M separated - after all, they do use a slightly different design.
I know you want to keep the model F and M separated - after all, they do use a slightly different design.
I still can't follow the division between XT and AT though. Maybe we should continue this in a new thread, but I would still like to know what you think is so different in the XT and AT except for their layout.
I think the key mechanism is basically the same, hence the keyboards should feel the same if they are of similar age.
I got a load of these boxes delivered today:
http://www.uline.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?model=S-6496&ref=5612
A Model M fits in them snugly. They're pretty sturdy so they should stack nicely.
The switch feel and sound seem a bit more crude in the F boards, but are still really, really nice.
I think I've exhausted the possibilities of modding the Buckling Springs on a M. My conclusion is IBM already perfected it as far as it can go.
That, or they limited it's potential as much as they could.
I'm a glass-half-empty kind of guy. Well, not really, but I thought I would add that.
Then again, who would have ever guessed that anyone would have wanted to mod their keyboard back then, anyway? That, and it's not like the average keyboard manufacturer built their products with modders in mind. It's still not the case today. Hell, they don't even build their keyboards with typists in mind.
Then again, who would have ever guessed that anyone would have wanted to mod their keyboard back then, anyway? That, and it's not like the average keyboard manufacturer built their products with modders in mind. It's still not the case today. Hell, they don't even build their keyboards with typists in mind.The single exception would be the Ergodex DX1 (http://www.ergodex.com/mainpage.htm), probably the only customizable keyboard in the world.
Seems like they still build keyboards with typewriters in mind, doesn't it?That's because they don't know any better.
The AT seems to take as much force as a model M to depress the switches or more. The XT seems a bit more pingy and takes less effort to depress the keyswitches.
I am basing this off of-
2x model F AT boards
4x model F XT boards (one board has a slightly different color in parts and requires slightly more effort to depress the keyswitch, I do not know yet if it takes the same effort at the AT board yet)
2x model M (grey label) boards
3x model M (blue label) boards
If I ignore the layout, I really like the XT almost as much at the M (maybe more...maybe) and I actually dislike the AT.
There is also a spring vibration in the F boards that I do not care for. A vibration that lasts after the keypress. The M does not have this that I have noticed.
The switch feel and sound seem a bit more crude in the F boards, but are still really, really nice. The M feels and sounds more refined (but less robust). But you could take out a rioting crowd with the F's. It's a barbaric and brute board =D
I know you want to keep the model F and M separated - after all, they do use a slightly different design.
I still can't follow the division between XT and AT though. Maybe we should continue this in a new thread, but I would still like to know what you think is so different in the XT and AT except for their layout.
I think the key mechanism is basically the same, hence the keyboards should feel the same if they are of similar age.
I'd say the opposite, because I find the sound and feel of the Model F to be more refined than the Model M.
Here's how I store my keyboards.Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4613&d=1253227126)
Here's how I store my keyboards.That looks like some kind of keyboard purgatory...
msw's keyboard storage (http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4613&d=1253227126)
That looks like some kind of keyboard purgatory...
Looks like a clusterf*ck.
crap! If you guys thought that was bad....sheesh I might get banned =PWell, we haven't seen keyboard hell yet. :smile:
I'll probably end up on a ladder picking out Model M's for young promising secretaries.