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Title: Music players besides iPods
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:26:00
So now that Apple seems to have stopped trying with the iPod, what else is out there for decent portable music players?  I have no clue.  I saw that Sony thing on Massdrop and that looked good enough.

Full disclosure, I still have a 160GB iPod, but the battery is near dead, the screen is all scratched, and the darn thing freezes every time I plug it into the computer, so I figure it would less of a hassle to sell it for what I can get rather than try to fix everything.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:27:17
What do you mean stopped trying? And what sort of capacity are you after?
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:33:20
I was in the same boat as you are, my old ipod nano was only 8Go and they dropped the ipod classic for some reason. And ****heads are reselling then for 2x its price on ebay.

So I've ordered the sansa clip plus, I don't have it yet because it's out of stock everywhere.
But it has 8go native that you can upgrade with up to 64Go Sd Cards, and it plays flac, while costing 40€.

I wish Apple still did Classics...
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:37:20
I haven't had a good player since my Zune.  I was probably the only person who was disappointed to get an iPod Touch for Christmas after asking for a Zune.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:41:59
I haven't had a good player since my Zune.  I was probably the only person who was disappointed to get an iPod Touch for Christmas after asking for a Zune.

I LOVED my brown 30gb Zune... it was beautiful and the software was a JOY... and then the screen melted... and then died and then I lost it...

if anyone could do it for me, I'd buy a Zune or two and a new HDD for it and plop in a 250gb ssd or something
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:49:49
What do you mean stopped trying? And what sort of capacity are you after?

Lack of doing anything different except standard updates and low capacity (by my standards).

I'm looking at the ability to add SD cards for increased storage.  Also, I don't even want a large touchscreen, if that improves battery life.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:53:03
What do you mean stopped trying? And what sort of capacity are you after?

Lack of doing anything different except standard updates and low capacity (by my standards).

I'm looking at the ability to add SD cards for increased storage.  Also, I don't even want a large touchscreen, if that improves battery life.

there's always the Pono
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:54:03
What do you mean stopped trying? And what sort of capacity are you after?

Lack of doing anything different except standard updates and low capacity (by my standards).

I'm looking at the ability to add SD cards for increased storage.  Also, I don't even want a large touchscreen, if that improves battery life.

there's always the Pono
I haven't seen a positive review of the pono.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: trizkut on Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:57:16
I haven't had a good player since my Zune.  I was probably the only person who was disappointed to get an iPod Touch for Christmas after asking for a Zune.

I'm still using my zune hd 64gb and loving it. :thumb:  I think I still have a pink zune 2 8gb in my car as well.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:58:23
http://www.aloaudio.com/astell-kern/ak240

The AK240 is always a nice choice
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:59:05
http://www.aloaudio.com/astell-kern/ak240

The AK240 is always a nice choice

I wish I could afford this
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: trizkut on Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:59:50
http://www.aloaudio.com/astell-kern/ak240

The AK240 is always a nice choice

Personally, I think the AK240 looks horrendous.  I had been considering grabbing the ak100ii or the ak120ii, though
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:02:54
There are a lot of really good mp3 players out there.  I'm not sure what you are wanting, function wise, but the Sandisk Clip line is pretty good.  I have had a Clip+ for about 5 years, and it is still going strong.  They have newer models that are probably just as good, if not better.  I used to use a Cowon J3, but sold it due not using it to its full potential.  They also have many new models, and are a really good brand.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:07:48
http://www.aloaudio.com/astell-kern/ak240

The AK240 is always a nice choice

Personally, I think the AK240 looks horrendous.  I had been considering grabbing the ak100ii or the ak120ii, though

Supposedly it's more ergonomic, though I agree the aesthetics suck

I have the original 120
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:09:21
I have a Zune for travel and a Sandisk Sansa for the gym. Love them both. Especially the Zune.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: exitfire401 on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:10:13
I haven't had a good player since my Zune.  I was probably the only person who was disappointed to get an iPod Touch for Christmas after asking for a Zune.

I LOVED my brown 30gb Zune... it was beautiful and the software was a JOY... and then the screen melted... and then died and then I lost it...

if anyone could do it for me, I'd buy a Zune or two and a new HDD for it and plop in a 250gb ssd or something

I have the halo 3 edition zune. Currently on its second harddrive. Love that thing.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:12:25
I haven't had a good player since my Zune.  I was probably the only person who was disappointed to get an iPod Touch for Christmas after asking for a Zune.

I LOVED my brown 30gb Zune... it was beautiful and the software was a JOY... and then the screen melted... and then died and then I lost it...

if anyone could do it for me, I'd buy a Zune or two and a new HDD for it and plop in a 250gb ssd or something

I have the halo 3 edition zune. Currently on its second harddrive. Love that thing.

The original software that was just a skinned wmp was epic too
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: uzoc on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:13:57
Fiio X1, HD player, BYO microSD (up to 128GB) = $100
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: exitfire401 on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:14:32
I haven't had a good player since my Zune.  I was probably the only person who was disappointed to get an iPod Touch for Christmas after asking for a Zune.

I LOVED my brown 30gb Zune... it was beautiful and the software was a JOY... and then the screen melted... and then died and then I lost it...

if anyone could do it for me, I'd buy a Zune or two and a new HDD for it and plop in a 250gb ssd or something

I have the halo 3 edition zune. Currently on its second harddrive. Love that thing.

The original software that was just a skinned wmp was epic too

Couldn't agree more. Simple to use and the store was ridiculously easy to navigate. The only thing I miss is the ability to use the subscription service. I used to have all of my music through that. Afterwards, I get most of my music from spotify.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: abjr on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:15:41
There are a lot of really good mp3 players out there.  I'm not sure what you are wanting, function wise, but the Sandisk Clip line is pretty good.  I have had a Clip+ for about 5 years, and it is still going strong.  They have newer models that are probably just as good, if not better.  I used to use a Cowon J3, but sold it due not using it to its full potential.  They also have many new models, and are a really good brand.

+1 for the Sandisk Sansa Clip line as well. No proprietary connectors. It has a microSD card slot. No need for crappy iTunes-like software. Just drag and drop files to it. Even under Linux you can just copy files to it as a mass storage device.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:16:36
I haven't had a good player since my Zune.  I was probably the only person who was disappointed to get an iPod Touch for Christmas after asking for a Zune.

I LOVED my brown 30gb Zune... it was beautiful and the software was a JOY... and then the screen melted... and then died and then I lost it...

if anyone could do it for me, I'd buy a Zune or two and a new HDD for it and plop in a 250gb ssd or something

I have the halo 3 edition zune. Currently on its second harddrive. Love that thing.

The original software that was just a skinned wmp was epic too

Couldn't agree more. Simple to use and the store was ridiculously easy to navigate. The only thing I miss is the ability to use the subscription service. I used to have all of my music through that. Afterwards, I get most of my music from spotify.

**** I never got to use the store as the Zune only officially came out in the US... had to import it to begin with!
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:21:57
http://www.aloaudio.com/astell-kern/ak240

The AK240 is always a nice choice

Prefer something that does not require me to sell my car in order to purchase it.

There are a lot of really good mp3 players out there.  I'm not sure what you are wanting, function wise, but the Sandisk Clip line is pretty good.  I have had a Clip+ for about 5 years, and it is still going strong.  They have newer models that are probably just as good, if not better.  I used to use a Cowon J3, but sold it due not using it to its full potential.  They also have many new models, and are a really good brand.

I guess that I should figure out what I want function wise.  I guess not Apple, ability to slap an SD card in there, and decent quality.

This Sansa seems to get a lot of love.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:24:57
http://www.aloaudio.com/astell-kern/ak240

The AK240 is always a nice choice

Prefer something that does not require me to sell my car in order to purchase it.

There are a lot of really good mp3 players out there.  I'm not sure what you are wanting, function wise, but the Sandisk Clip line is pretty good.  I have had a Clip+ for about 5 years, and it is still going strong.  They have newer models that are probably just as good, if not better.  I used to use a Cowon J3, but sold it due not using it to its full potential.  They also have many new models, and are a really good brand.

I guess that I should figure out what I want function wise.  I guess not Apple, ability to slap an SD card in there, and decent quality.

This Sansa seems to get a lot of love.
If you want something simple and basic, I recommend a Clip+. Assuming the prices are still low, I got mine for $30 new.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: uzoc on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:29:08
Clip Zip+ (with ROCKBOX only), because it gives me that +24DB treble that I want (and Themes, etc, of course). 
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:32:55
http://www.aloaudio.com/astell-kern/ak240

The AK240 is always a nice choice

Prefer something that does not require me to sell my car in order to purchase it.

There are a lot of really good mp3 players out there.  I'm not sure what you are wanting, function wise, but the Sandisk Clip line is pretty good.  I have had a Clip+ for about 5 years, and it is still going strong.  They have newer models that are probably just as good, if not better.  I used to use a Cowon J3, but sold it due not using it to its full potential.  They also have many new models, and are a really good brand.

I guess that I should figure out what I want function wise.  I guess not Apple, ability to slap an SD card in there, and decent quality.

This Sansa seems to get a lot of love.
If you want something simple and basic, I recommend a Clip+. Assuming the prices are still low, I got mine for $30 new.

For the price there's definitely no beating the clip
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 23 April 2015, 12:26:38
I formerly owned a Sandisk Sansa Fuze, and loved it. I just purchased a Sandisk Sansa Clip Sport for $43, which has 8GB internal storage, and supports up to 32GB MicroSDHC cards, for a total of 40GB. I'll let you know how I like it once I receive it, but it looks like a nice little player for 40 bucks. Has support for FLAC and Ogg Vorbis, Audible audiobooks, as well as standard MP3, AAC, WMA, and WAV.

The only con is no ROCKBOX support. :(
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 23 April 2015, 12:28:51
Full disclosure, I still have a 160GB iPod, but the battery is near dead, the screen is all scratched, and the darn thing freezes every time I plug it into the computer, so I figure it would less of a hassle to sell it for what I can get rather than try to fix everything.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 23 April 2015, 12:57:43
Has the Sansa quality improved?  I had one back in the day, but was unimpressed.  Navigation was clunky, sound quality was mediocre, and, even with babying them, I had 2 or 3 die on me in two years.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 23 April 2015, 13:44:31

Has the Sansa quality improved?  I had one back in the day, but was unimpressed.  Navigation was clunky, sound quality was mediocre, and, even with babying them, I had 2 or 3 die on me in two years.

What time frame did you have one?

I'll throw another vote out for Zune (though it may not perfectly fit all your needs, it is an excellent alternative to iPod). I've never owned a Sansa but have used them a few times; they seem to be really solid devices and would fit your needs. I'd obviously defer to an owner for further comment.

I say all of this as a bit of an iPod fanatic.  :P  But iPods have their issues and are not for everyone, and personally I do still think Zunes are superior.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 23 April 2015, 14:00:44
I had an e200 or e250, so 8-10 years ago?  It really wasn't all that great.  The click wheel sucked, the headphone jack broke continuously, and so many other issues. 
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 23 April 2015, 14:57:05
Has the Sansa quality improved?  I had one back in the day, but was unimpressed.  Navigation was clunky, sound quality was mediocre, and, even with babying them, I had 2 or 3 die on me in two years.
I think they have gotten much better. The Clip+ audio quality is very good, and I haven't had any issues with mine. They are still cheap players though, so I don't set my expectations very high.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 23 April 2015, 16:20:15
I had an e200 or e250, so 8-10 years ago?  It really wasn't all that great.  The click wheel sucked, the headphone jack broke continuously, and so many other issues.

IMO, that's long enough ago in the electronics world to be a "retired" opinion, so to speak.  (not to come off as overly critical, just saying)

Like using a 1st gen iPod and recommending someone should or should not buy a 7th gen iPod - just is too disconnected.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 23 April 2015, 16:37:33
I had an e200 or e250, so 8-10 years ago?  It really wasn't all that great.  The click wheel sucked, the headphone jack broke continuously, and so many other issues.

IMO, that's long enough ago in the electronics world to be a "retired" opinion, so to speak.  (not to come off as overly critical, just saying)

Like using a 1st gen iPod and recommending someone should or should not buy a 7th gen iPod - just is too disconnected.

It depends.  I know some brands never improve.  ECS, for example, never went from crap to decent and I still would never use a Diablotek PSU.  Some brands are good at getting better while others may do one or two things well and the rest may be crap, no matter how long they've been around.  I've never had fantastic luck with Sandisk though and I know their SSDs were getting ripped to shreds in the recent past, so I had massive doubts about their PMPs.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Thu, 23 April 2015, 17:10:21
In my personal experience the clip zip was fantastic for the price. UI is really lousy though and not enough characters can be displayed on the screen.

But the size and microsd slot makes it a fantastic piece at such a low price

Sound wise it's closer to the fiio sound. A bit thin / shallow. Also don't expect to power any power hungry headphones with this, it feels more geared towards easier to drive headphones and IEMs (portable)
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: epzy on Thu, 23 April 2015, 17:58:51
sony nwz-a15 :thumb:
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 23 April 2015, 21:45:30
Of all the players that you fine gentlemen have discussed, how does the sound quality compare to that of an iPod?
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 23 April 2015, 22:12:37
Of all the players that you fine gentlemen have discussed, how does the sound quality compare to that of an iPod?

Most dedicated mp3 players will sound much better than an iPod.  I can vouch for Cowon, and the Clip lineup personally for sounding better than an iPod.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 24 April 2015, 07:45:16
Of all the players that you fine gentlemen have discussed, how does the sound quality compare to that of an iPod?

Most dedicated mp3 players will sound much better than an iPod.  I can vouch for Cowon, and the Clip lineup personally for sounding better than an iPod.

If even the low-priced Clip lineup has better sound quality than an iPod, that seals the deal, this old iPod is going on Ebay.  Even ones that don't work are selling for like $150+.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 26 April 2015, 08:47:28
Any other suggestions for music players here, people?
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: Larken on Sun, 26 April 2015, 09:23:39
another vote for the cowon. I've had two of their players, the first one a hdd based model that kept running for 5 years before the battery wouldn't hold a charge, and the second one I had since 2008, and still going strong with daily usage. as far as SQ goes, most players would be better than an iPod. I haven't tried an A&K, but a buddywho has a Cowon auditioned it on occasion, and he mentioned that it was really much better than the Cowon, which he decided was still good enough (due to that price tag).

I'd suggest looking at the x9 or the M2 for something smaller (both have microsd card slots), battery life is extremely good (I used to charge mine once every 1 - 2 weeks at the most with about 4 hours commute time everyday). downside - proprietary cables, and the UI isn't the most polished around (not a big deal for me as my routine is main - turn it on, press 'play' and chuck it in the bag).

Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 26 April 2015, 09:59:16
I can't stand the design aesthetic of those Astell and Kern players.  If I'm gonna drop 2k on a music player, please make a product that is not repulsive looking upon first glance.

Those Cowons look interesting.  Some seem to have expandable memory, others do not.

I guess a built-in speaker also would be a nice feature to have.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sun, 26 April 2015, 12:11:53
I can't stand the design aesthetic of those Astell and Kern players.  If I'm gonna drop 2k on a music player, please make a product that is not repulsive looking upon first glance.

Those Cowons look interesting.  Some seem to have expandable memory, others do not.

I guess a built-in speaker also would be a nice feature to have.

My AK120 is quite classy and runs about $600 on the aftermarket. 2x microsd card slots + 64gb base memory puts you at 192gb total very easily.

The AK240... Is... Unique in aesthetics. However my friends who have owned/tried it tell me that the way it's shaped leads to it being very comfortable in the hand. Whatever the reasoning is, it has solid reviews for sound.

For something lower end than AK, Fiio makes really solid products in the $100-300 range (X1, X3 and X5).

I owned the X5 and was happy with it for the price.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 27 April 2015, 10:03:08
I can't stand the design aesthetic of those Astell and Kern players.  If I'm gonna drop 2k on a music player, please make a product that is not repulsive looking upon first glance.

Those Cowons look interesting.  Some seem to have expandable memory, others do not.

I guess a built-in speaker also would be a nice feature to have.

My AK120 is quite classy and runs about $600 on the aftermarket. 2x microsd card slots + 64gb base memory puts you at 192gb total very easily.

The AK240... Is... Unique in aesthetics. However my friends who have owned/tried it tell me that the way it's shaped leads to it being very comfortable in the hand. Whatever the reasoning is, it has solid reviews for sound.

For something lower end than AK, Fiio makes really solid products in the $100-300 range (X1, X3 and X5).

I owned the X5 and was happy with it for the price.

Thanks.  I'm not much of an audiophile (yet), so I know little about these players and can't discern the difference between the various models and why they are priced differently.  I'll do some more research and figure that out. I like the design aesthetic and utility of those Fiio players.  Don't really care for much more than playing music on the machine.  Our phones are better for other media.

A used, low-end AK could a good investment if I save my pennies.  Is it difficult to swap out the battery on those AK players?  Battery life would be my only concern with a used player.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 27 April 2015, 11:56:06
Perhaps a brand not as many know of or talk about too often... but you might look into some of the meizu products. I had one a few years ago that I bought when I was backpacking a lot. I got it because it was cheap as to not be too upset if I lost or broke it. While it's interface was a bit clunky it really did sound quite good. Certainly sounded better than iPod I was used to at the time.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 27 April 2015, 12:09:09
I can't stand the design aesthetic of those Astell and Kern players.  If I'm gonna drop 2k on a music player, please make a product that is not repulsive looking upon first glance.

Those Cowons look interesting.  Some seem to have expandable memory, others do not.

I guess a built-in speaker also would be a nice feature to have.

My AK120 is quite classy and runs about $600 on the aftermarket. 2x microsd card slots + 64gb base memory puts you at 192gb total very easily.

The AK240... Is... Unique in aesthetics. However my friends who have owned/tried it tell me that the way it's shaped leads to it being very comfortable in the hand. Whatever the reasoning is, it has solid reviews for sound.

For something lower end than AK, Fiio makes really solid products in the $100-300 range (X1, X3 and X5).

I owned the X5 and was happy with it for the price.

Thanks.  I'm not much of an audiophile (yet), so I know little about these players and can't discern the difference between the various models and why they are priced differently.  I'll do some more research and figure that out. I like the design aesthetic and utility of those Fiio players.  Don't really care for much more than playing music on the machine.  Our phones are better for other media.

A used, low-end AK could a good investment if I save my pennies.  Is it difficult to swap out the battery on those AK players?  Battery life would be my only concern with a used player.

It definitely doesn't seem easy to open and swap. I know there's a guy that does these mods calls the red wine audio mod and he opens it up and changes some of the internal components of the AK units so there's definitely a way.

The player can last 8+ hours on battery while playing music the entire time, if not more.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: LarsMarkelson on Tue, 28 April 2015, 19:12:01
I loved my Sansa Clip+ back when I used it. Reminds me I have it somewhere, should pull it out and start using it again. Great little device.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: demik on Tue, 28 April 2015, 22:03:50
my computer
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:17:19
my computer

Can I transport that for driving in my car, riding the bus, or walking down the street?
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 30 April 2015, 20:48:25
The old iPod sold for $227 tonight, boys and girls.  Did not expect that.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Fri, 01 May 2015, 01:09:00
http://www.moon-audio.com/astell-kern-ak-jr-digital-music-media-player.html?redirect_mongo_id=55428bbd34393803d8040000

Just came out
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: demik on Fri, 01 May 2015, 02:07:08
my computer

Can I transport that for driving in my car, riding the bus, or walking down the street?

If you believe in yourself.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: missalaire on Fri, 01 May 2015, 14:45:53
The old iPod sold for $227 tonight, boys and girls.  Did not expect that.

Wow they're stilling for that much now? I should try to find my old iPod and sell it..
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 01 May 2015, 14:48:26

The old iPod sold for $227 tonight, boys and girls.  Did not expect that.

Wow they're stilling for that much now? I should try to find my old iPod and sell it..

I think his was a 7th gen. I wouldn't expect an older iPod to sell for quite that much.  :P  (not sure how old yours is though)
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: missalaire on Fri, 01 May 2015, 14:57:00

The old iPod sold for $227 tonight, boys and girls.  Did not expect that.

Wow they're stilling for that much now? I should try to find my old iPod and sell it..

I think his was a 7th gen. I wouldn't expect an older iPod to sell for quite that much.  :P  (not sure how old yours is though)

Ahh lol. Mine is an ipod touch with the black front and silver back, no camera. I forget which gen it was, it's older but iirc there was a few generations before it.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 01 May 2015, 14:59:35
Yeah, I'm on the sony a17 train, too.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: trizkut on Fri, 01 May 2015, 15:02:25
The old iPod sold for $227 tonight, boys and girls.  Did not expect that.

Wow they're stilling for that much now? I should try to find my old iPod and sell it..

I saw someone sell a NIB 160gb for like $900 on ebay like 6 months ago  :))
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 01 May 2015, 15:29:23


The old iPod sold for $227 tonight, boys and girls.  Did not expect that.

Wow they're stilling for that much now? I should try to find my old iPod and sell it..

I think his was a 7th gen. I wouldn't expect an older iPod to sell for quite that much.  :P  (not sure how old yours is though)

Ahh lol. Mine is an ipod touch with the black front and silver back, no camera. I forget which gen it was, it's older but iirc there was a few generations before it.

Ahhhh yep. I don't think the market for iPod touch is anything exciting, since they're still making those. It's the regular iPods ("classics") that are rare now.  :)

(Note: I'm not an iPod pricing expert :P )
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Fri, 01 May 2015, 15:44:18

The old iPod sold for $227 tonight, boys and girls.  Did not expect that.

Wow they're stilling for that much now? I should try to find my old iPod and sell it..

I think his was a 7th gen. I wouldn't expect an older iPod to sell for quite that much.  :P  (not sure how old yours is though)

Au contraire

Pre6thgen ipod classics have Wolfson DACs which a lot of people prefer as it sounds more natural. Usually the most sought after ones are the 5th and 5.5th gen iPods, though, they have smaller capacities.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 01 May 2015, 15:53:00

The old iPod sold for $227 tonight, boys and girls.  Did not expect that.

Wow they're stilling for that much now? I should try to find my old iPod and sell it..

I think his was a 7th gen. I wouldn't expect an older iPod to sell for quite that much.  :P  (not sure how old yours is though)

Au contraire

Pre6thgen ipod classics have Wolfson DACs which a lot of people prefer as it sounds more natural. Usually the most sought after ones are the 5th and 5.5th gen iPods, though, they have smaller capacities.

Huh.  I was familiar with the different DACs and all that, but didn't realize the impact that had on pricing.  As I mentioned above, I do not consider myself a pricing expert, I just like iPods.  ;D

Also I remember either my 5th or 6th gen sounding pretty poor compared to the 7th gen, but can't remember which one it was.  Hmmmmm.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: TheMamaMafia on Fri, 01 May 2015, 16:08:22
my computer

Can I transport that for driving in my car, riding the bus, or walking down the street?
My phone I'm not much of an audophile yet I guess...
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 01 May 2015, 16:13:07
I think I'm going to buy a FiiO X1 and give the Clip Sport to my 3yo son. The Sandisk is just too small and light for my tastes. I miss my old 4th gen iPod.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 01 May 2015, 17:28:05
I need to start shopping for a new MP3 player.  If I can't find one, I will just make one myself damn it.

My story:
In 2006 I got an iPod 5th gen for a graduation present.  I took it to college and I LOVED it.  The thing was a tank.  It had 60GB of memory, which would hold my entire collection at the time, and it played perfectly.  The battery eventually started crapping out around 2010, but it still worked fine.  Finally, I dropped it one day in 2011 while working outside.  KO.  I opened it up to see what was the matter, and it was a simple fix.  The screen cable had become jostled in the fall and I just needed to reconnect it.  During the fix, I broke something else.  I damaged a cable.  It was out of my financial ability at the time to fix it.  Sadness.

Later in 2011, I got another iPod as a graduation present.  This time it was college graduation.  This was a 6th gen 120GB thing.  I still have it.  And I don't like it.  I feel like they took a lot of the functionality and simplicity away with the updates.  The screen now no longer displays song info while locked, the graphical updates eat the power down faster, loading times are longer, and the build is generally worse. 

I want something that can fit my needs and survive my strange life.  Although based on the past, I may have to wait another 2 years to graduate with my PhD before I get another one!


I need an MP3 player with:

I would like an MP3 player to also have:

I DO NOT want it to have:

Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 01 May 2015, 18:01:00
Yea boys, the iPod classic with the scroll wheel that first released in late 2009 is the money player.  The other ones, I don't know.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Fri, 01 May 2015, 18:07:06

The old iPod sold for $227 tonight, boys and girls.  Did not expect that.

Wow they're stilling for that much now? I should try to find my old iPod and sell it..

I think his was a 7th gen. I wouldn't expect an older iPod to sell for quite that much.  :P  (not sure how old yours is though)

Au contraire

Pre6thgen ipod classics have Wolfson DACs which a lot of people prefer as it sounds more natural. Usually the most sought after ones are the 5th and 5.5th gen iPods, though, they have smaller capacities.

Huh.  I was familiar with the different DACs and all that, but didn't realize the impact that had on pricing.  As I mentioned above, I do not consider myself a pricing expert, I just like iPods.  ;D

Also I remember either my 5th or 6th gen sounding pretty poor compared to the 7th gen, but can't remember which one it was.  Hmmmmm.

The issue with the older ones is more that they have really poor amping. I had both a 5th and 6th gen iPod at different points. The 5th gen was particularly poor in quality when running straight out of it. But suddenly add an amp through a line out direct and it's a different world. My friend who has $3000 worth of ciems still goes back to his iPod 5th gen + amp (the pico amp right now).
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: slip84 on Sat, 02 May 2015, 06:57:22
I have never understood the idea of having killer fidelity when walking around. I just need some noise. iPhone + Sennheiser Amperior is my go-to mobile setup right now.

It used to kill me seeing peoples' "mobile" setups that were all rubberbanded together, with external DACs and amps to drive some ATH-M50s. Heh.

That said, the Pono is getting some rave reviews for being a $400 device. Heh.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sat, 02 May 2015, 11:09:57
I have never understood the idea of having killer fidelity when walking around. I just need some noise. iPhone + Sennheiser Amperior is my go-to mobile setup right now.

It used to kill me seeing peoples' "mobile" setups that were all rubberbanded together, with external DACs and amps to drive some ATH-M50s. Heh.

That said, the Pono is getting some rave reviews for being a $400 device. Heh.

I used to have an iPod classic with a cypher labs algorithm solo and a JDS o2.
Used it to run HD800 on the go which isolate quite well for open backs.

I just left the big stack in my bag and would feed the cable out for the headphones.
Eventually just said **** it and sold the whole thing.

I'm traveling for school 2-3 hours a day and at home I'm usually gaming so the high fidelity is wasted a bit at home.

For that reason I went for a music player that doubled as a DAC and amp (basically fiio, hifiman or As tell and Kern at that point)
Being able to relax on the bus and completely zone out the noise is enjoyable to say the least. Paired with really good sound quality, I don't regret getting customs for that
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 04 May 2015, 13:36:47
I have never understood the idea of having killer fidelity when walking around. I just need some noise. iPhone + Sennheiser Amperior is my go-to mobile setup right now.

It used to kill me seeing peoples' "mobile" setups that were all rubberbanded together, with external DACs and amps to drive some ATH-M50s. Heh.

That said, the Pono is getting some rave reviews for being a $400 device. Heh.

I used to have an iPod classic with a cypher labs algorithm solo and a JDS o2.
Used it to run HD800 on the go which isolate quite well for open backs.

I just left the big stack in my bag and would feed the cable out for the headphones.
Eventually just said **** it and sold the whole thing.

I'm traveling for school 2-3 hours a day and at home I'm usually gaming so the high fidelity is wasted a bit at home.

For that reason I went for a music player that doubled as a DAC and amp (basically fiio, hifiman or As tell and Kern at that point)
Being able to relax on the bus and completely zone out the noise is enjoyable to say the least. Paired with really good sound quality, I don't regret getting customs for that

When I was in school and on campus from 8am-midnight, it made a lot of sense to bring the hifi with me.  Set up shop in the study area and enjoy some quality while I slave away for hours.  :D

For the truly mobile people (walking around and such) I agree it probably doesn't make quite as much sense, but as always, to each their own!  ;)
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: n3ro on Mon, 15 June 2015, 12:59:45
For software, i recommend JetAudio which is available for both ios and android. 

Has many sound enhancements including reverb which is my favorite.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: nephiel on Tue, 21 July 2015, 08:36:07
Get a Sansa Clip+ or a Clip Zip and put Rockbox firmware on it.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: nothing4me on Wed, 22 July 2015, 00:24:57
Sansa Clip+ with Rockbox firmware. Yes, you can even play Doom on it.  :p
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: AKmalamute on Wed, 22 July 2015, 00:54:48
I've got two sansa ... the M200 is my preferred unit by a long ways but it's showing it's age. The other is maybe a clip? No actual 'clip' but it has internal memory as well as taking SD cards ... and a lithium battery that is at least user accessible but that thing is the dumbest player I've ever encountered. EVERY time I power it on, it reads meticulously through both memory stores, separately, meaning it took three minutes to power up and I only had about 6GB. That battery lasted, though. Between charges, I mean. But the proprietary USB cable? Ugh. Deal breaker.

 I am relying now, on a nameless thing from NKPC that I paid $1.87 shipped for. Battery is not accessible in addition to not being off-the-shelf (seriously, a standard watch battery would make me happier than whatever nonsense they chose) in addition to providing 2 hours of listening between charges. This, because they crammed a tinny, stupid speaker instead of a real battery. Uh, also the LCD glue has been overcome by me setting it ungently in the cupholder, so now the display (which is nigh useless because it displays 8.3 names, only) is crooked. But it comes with a flashlight, which continues to work even after the firmware shuts off the player.

 Sansa needs to bring back the M200. Only player I've ever been happy with. Of course, it's firmware was a little stupid but you learned to get around that. It didn't know about ID3 tags so even though its 'random' was badly written and you couldn't use playlists to save your hide, you could just bulk rename all the files on the device and it would play them in that order. Supposedly there's a beta build of RockBox for it, but this is the one Sansa that you can easily and irrevocably brick trying to add .ogg & .opus support.

 Touch screens don't belong on a device you throw in your pocket. Seriously what were they thinking? Also, since the batteries die, why don't more players use AAA batteries? You can swap those in whenever you want. Buy rechargeable, you'll only need about two.

 I've never touched an iPod. I don't expect to. But given the strong opinions I've given, would any of you give me different answers than you gave OP? And my boss has two Zunes. Loves them. I think I could appreciate them, I guess.
Title: Re: Music players besides iPods
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 22 July 2015, 10:52:10
I've never touched an iPod. I don't expect to. But given the strong opinions I've given, would any of you give me different answers than you gave OP? And my boss has two Zunes. Loves them. I think I could appreciate them, I guess.

I think you would not be a fan for a few reasons, but this would like be enough on its own:

But the proprietary USB cable? Ugh. Deal breaker.

 :p


That said though, if you want to try an iPod I could lend you one.  You would not get an accurate representation of the battery life, but if you just want exposure to the UI and managing music libraries, it would accomplish that.  Let me know.