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ALPS Springs - Introducing in August 2016
Thanks for the Long Wait! After the long IC, I'd like to introduce Alps Custom Springs Worldwide.
Already prototyped in 2012-2014, will mass produced in this August.
I will update the progress. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0) [Update July 1st 2016]
[IC] ALPS Custom Springs > Mod note: link removed due to sprit being MIA. Order from him at your own risk!
IC will go until enough opinions, discussions & interests are identified among us.
A Groupbuy for the Simplified Alps switches From Taiwan, or China, may open in June after enough discussion and mind sharing.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0) [GB] Alps PCB by Hasu
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0) [GB] Alps Plate by Nubbinator
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.0) [GB] Alps modifier Caps by Badwrench
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49407.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49407.0) Teaser
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49408.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49408.0) Teaser
The GB Thread : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0)
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55g springs are the only ones I am missing.
I hope to complete my collection. :thumb:
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I could do with more 62g springs, but I really want some custom Alps springs.
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I could do with more 62g springs, but I really want some custom Alps springs.
Alps custom springs - might in June? when I got a peace. Need to narrow down the range of springs in the 1st batch, IMO
What do you think on the each pressure? The springs should be at least 50g - 78g range, yes?
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55g are always good for me :)
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If you are going to make alps springs then I would want something a little heavier than my blue ALPS. They are a bit light
They also have to be #legitballin gold. :thumb:
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If you are going to make alps springs then I would want something a little heavier than my blue ALPS. They are a bit light
They also have to be #legitballin gold. :thumb:
Hello! Whats your blue alps board? LeadingEdge? Omnikey Can i confirm the date and infos on the PCB? Thanks!
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If you are going to make alps springs then I would want something a little heavier than my blue ALPS. They are a bit light
They also have to be #legitballin gold. :thumb:
Hello! Whats your blue alps board? LeadingEdge? Can i confirm the date and infos on the PCB? Thanks!
It's an interesting board.
It's a Chicony KB-5161 rebranded for Samsung. There is no birth certificate on the board telling me the number or date.
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Oh! Sweet one!! Made in the Golden Age .
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Need more answers for this IC :) http://goo.gl/forms/tSoTFlM3hB
We have 15 kinds of MX custom spring so far. Currently 11 kinds are available. 50g - - - - - - - 150g
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Been hot today here, Let's have some fun on ALPS! :thumb:
ALPS Custom Springs > Mod note: link removed due to sprit being MIA. Order from him at your own risk!
IC will go until enough opinions, discussions & interests are identified among us.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49407.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49407.0)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49408.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49408.0)
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Filled out! I'll take one of each ALPS set.
Will there be gold springs in ALPS?
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Not trying to hijack this, but will you continue to offer heavier weighted springs for both Cherry MX and ALPS. I am in need of an upgrade at some point and higher resistance springs would make ALPS more doable for me.
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Filled out! I'll take one of each ALPS set.
Will there be gold springs in ALPS?
Wanna try anything to get better feels, may plate with Maple ? I love dat syrups. ;D
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Filled out! I'll take one of each ALPS set.
Will there be gold springs in ALPS?
Wanna try anything to get better feels, may plate with Maple ? I love dat syrups. ;D
That might be a little sticky...
Pink anodized aluminum springs? :))
Won't give a better feeling but it will look pretty.
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Not trying to hijack this, but will you continue to offer heavier weighted springs for both Cherry MX and ALPS. I am in need of an upgrade at some point and higher resistance springs would make ALPS more doable for me.
Hi! Nice to see You! been long time :)
heavier as 78g, 85g, 100g, and more, Yes!! :thumb: I am quite sick of light- medium ALPS stock springs Too >:D
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Not trying to hijack this, but will you continue to offer heavier weighted springs for both Cherry MX and ALPS. I am in need of an upgrade at some point and higher resistance springs would make ALPS more doable for me.
Hi! Nice to see You! been long time :)
heavier as 78g, 85g, 100g, and more, Yes!! :thumb:
I know its been ages lol and Excellent to hear, this really opens up some new things for me. Thanks Sprit.
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Pink anodized aluminum springs? :))
Won't give a better feeling but it will look pretty.
Sure! Wanna do too! :thumb: and some Blue springs? ::) No reason Not to do that, we lube the tiny small springs with super-expensive Krytox, don't we??
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Pink anodized aluminum springs? :))
Won't give a better feeling but it will look pretty.
Sure! Wanna do too! :thumb: and some Blue springs? ::)
Yes! We need colourful springs in our lives!
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65g gold springs fo lyfe.
Filled form for some Alps love. :)
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Hi! JD!
It's hot day, isn't it? ;)
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It's hot day, isn't it? ;)
Not for me... I wish it was here.
My house doesn't have heating.
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Hi! JD!
It's hot day, isn't it? ;)
hi sprit!!
Low 80s isn't hot, you joker. We've already had 90s this year here. :P
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Hi! JD!
It's hot day, isn't it? ;)
hi sprit!!
Low 80s isn't hot, you joker. We've already had 90s this year here. :p
It was 80F around midnite last nite. Already 90s there? :o
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Just filled out an ic for some alps springs. I didn't see any gold option though. Will they all be gold if made?
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Been hot today here, Let's have some fun on ALPS! :thumb:
ALPS Custom Springs > Mod note: order link removed due to sprit being MIA. Order from him at your own risk!
IC will go until enough opinions, discussions & interests are identified among us.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49407.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49407.0)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49408.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49408.0)
With Alps style switches I think the leaf plays a much larger role in the switch feel. That being said, I swapped springs in some Tai Hao clones into Matias clicky switches and they felt a bit more like complicated blue alps. Lighter but still not as smooth.
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Nuclearsandwich, You are right! Totally agree. The Alps springs need to consider each 2nd leaf spring's pressure too (avg. 10-15g)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1725253#msg1725253 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1725253#msg1725253)
Alps switches : A limited personal opinion
* The sliders are basically same shape, regardless of its material composition n smoothness variety, IMO.
* The center coil springs are definitely different in each switch type.
* the 1st contact leaf springs look similar, but differ in angles, shapes, etc
* 2nd leaf springs have obviously different angles, thickness, shapes in detail with each type of ALPS
* You may get very similar feels with original leaf & coil springs, but limited feels w modded leaf springs.
* There were Alps electronic parts OEM factories in Korea, Taiwan, Mexico, etc in '80-90's.
* Reminds me a dozen of Cherry MX clone switch Factories in China at this moment.
* Need to discuss n share infos among GH members.
Clicky - Blue, White clicky
Linear - Tee stem (as in Apple 0100, 0110, 0110a), Brown, Green linear
Tactile - Salmon(Pinky), Orange, White, White w rubber feet, Cream, Cream w rubber feet, Black Tactiles
Mod to Linears - take 2nd leaf springs off : blue linears, salmon linears, orange linears, cream linears, white linears, black linears etc
Mod to Tactiles - Blue Tactiles w Orange(salmon)2nd leaf springs, Green Tactiles w white leaf springs, Black Tactiles w Salmon leaf springs etc
Mod to Clickys - Vice versa As far as i experimented
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My personal favorite classic Alps switch feels were all the "complicated"
linear green Alps (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCL_Green)
tactile orange Alps (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Orange)
clicky blue Alps (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Blue)
Matias switches are nice, but their tactility is a bit "crunchier" to me than the complicated switches. Although that could just be a necessary degree of break in.
Either way, I'm down for science and put myself down for a little of everything.
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Would definitely get some custom ALPS springs (60g, 62g, 65g).
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References
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Category:Alps_SKCL/SKCM_series (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Category:Alps_SKCL/SKCM_series) : The List of Alps complicated Switches
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Blue (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Blue)
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Orange (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Orange)
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Salmon (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Salmon)
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Cream (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Cream)
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Cream_Damped (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Cream_Damped) - I love this to linear mod, easy to get, plus extra damper parts
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Black (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Black) - I love Black linear mod, easy to get, wonderful results with Krytox 103-104
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCC_Tall_Cream (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCC_Tall_Cream) - Personally i am interested in custom springs for this too.
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Just filled out an ic for some alps springs. I didn't see any gold option though. Will they all be gold if made?
Hello! how's going?
Both Standard and Gold plated versions :thumb:
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If there are Alps custom springs:
(1) They should be in 2 (or 3) different lengths. [Actually the same goes for custom MX springs; it’s not clear why no one has bothered to do this in MX-land.]
(2) Each length should have maybe 3–4 different stiffness choices.
(3) They should be carefully designed so the diameter of the springs works with Omron, SMK, KPT, and various Alps clone switches. (They’re all quite close in dimensions, and properly chosen springs should work for all of them.)
Having 6–10 weights of springs all of the same length is a huge waste of potential.
Grams-force at bottom-out (or whatever metric it is Koreans use for their springs) is a very confusing and not very useful way to specify springs IMO. They should be specified in terms of spring constant (grams-force or centinewtons per millimeter maybe?) and free spring length.
Then it’s easy to compare that to all sorts of existing springs, assuming we can get a good measurement jig set up, and it’s easy to compute what the initial and bottom-out force will be for the spring, by comparing the free length to the available space inside the switch for various switches when the switch is unpressed / at actuation point / bottomed out. It’s fairly straightforward to measure and compute the amount of available space inside of switches, to give people useful guidance about what the force will be for any particular spring inside any particular switch.
I have copies of nearly every type of complicated Alps switch (green, blue, cream, brown, gray, amber, orange, cream, salmon, green, cream, cream, white, white, black, yellow, etc.), as well as a whole bunch of clones and other spring-compatible switches. HaaTa’s improved force gauge projects are still in the works, but at some point I’m hoping to measure all the springs I can, and try to give some useful comparative information about exactly what the dimensions and parameters are for each type of spring.
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Thanks! Jacobolus for the insights and infos! :thumb:
The Design should have own philosophy and taste. If not, it may called a dead copy.
(1) Been working on this, both on MX and coming Alps. My MX springs are differ in length in each weight.
(2) Right! To maximize the Joy of Customizing! The standard and plated versions differ in stiffness and overall feelings.
(3) The spring constants are designed and measured. Any conventional bad doings should go. Bottom out force can be useful simply to estimate the max pressures.
(4) We need to share infos, opinions. The first Alps I got was apple 0110, my dad's present in 1985, still with me. I got 4-7 sample bags of each Alps switch Type from different board, different conditions.
(5) We need also to listen to each other's Taste for typing. :)
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Filled the form, I'm a total ALPS noob but I want the same feel I have with 55g MX Springs :thumb:
You know how much I enjoy linear switches ;)
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A Groupbuy for the Simplified Alps switches From Taiwan or China may open in June, after enough discussion and mind sharing.
It may include Linear, Tactile, Clicky.
Somebody may organize the GB, We might be need a member ship direct from there locally.
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Filled the form, I'm a total ALPS noob but I want the same feel I have with 55g MX Springs :thumb:
You know how much I enjoy linear switches ;)
You should try some stock Matias linear switches.
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Some Taiwanese simplified Alps switches are available at $0.15 /pc MOQ =10,000pcs, with clear case. I will take some pics :)
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Taiwanese or Chinese Alps : Gray Tactile & White Clicky
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So is this one of Matias’s suppliers trying to do extra business on the side, or...?
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It's a Alps simplified switch design originated from Alps Japan itself in 1980's.
The demands for Chinese domestic keyboard market - schools, banks, POS, government are huge. We know there are lots of mechanical clone switch makers.
I am not sure Matias has exclusive rights on all the clear casing Alps simplified switches.
The Clear Alps samples above got years ago from an electronics company (established in 2007) near Hongkong.
pics : Guangdong Alps vs Matias Alps
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ALPS Switches : Custom Springs [IC] > Mod note: link removed due to sprit being MIA. Order from him at your own risk!
Interest Check is ON,
MX 55g, 85g custom springs IC done! Thanks for the answer! :thumb:
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ALPS Projects currently :
Alps PCB [GB] https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0)
Alps Plate [GB] https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0)
Alps Caps [GB] https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.0)
Alps Springs [IC] https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0)
Alps Switches [GB] https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1746805#msg1746805
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Matias Alps switches will be available $15- $18/100pcs for the coming GB.
Thanks Matias for Your Favour ! ;)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1746805#msg1746805 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1746805#msg1746805)
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Oh damn. Knew I should have waited to buy some switches
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Alps GB Currently ;)
- Alps PCB GB R2 started https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0)
- Alps Plate GB R1 on going https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0)
- Alps Caps GB on going https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.0)
- Alps Switches will happen https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1746805#msg1746805 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1746805#msg1746805)
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Chinese Alps & Cherry sources : (I don't have confidence on their quality, Never tested for long term)
- Gaote (Scott) : http://en.cngaote.com/products_list/&pmcId=b5f50871-3881-48f9-84f7-d6d1e7ce5ab5.html (http://en.cngaote.com/products_list/&pmcId=b5f50871-3881-48f9-84f7-d6d1e7ce5ab5.html)
- Yang Jie : http://www.dgyangjie.cn/page/offerlist_5320157.htm?spm=a2615.2177701.0.0.W5CRWn&sortType=showcase (http://www.dgyangjie.cn/page/offerlist_5320157.htm?spm=a2615.2177701.0.0.W5CRWn&sortType=showcase)
Both located in Guangdong (Canton) China, Next city to Hongkong, called Dongguan (East county)
Prices are $12-14/100pcs > Then + shipping + Tax = ??
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.msg1744588#msg1744588 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.msg1744588#msg1744588)
Cherry Compatible sources :
- Gateron http://www.gateron.com (http://www.gateron.com) http://detail.1688.com/offer/38875496181.html?spm=a2615.2177701.5683209.6.kZ64yQ (http://detail.1688.com/offer/38875496181.html?spm=a2615.2177701.5683209.6.kZ64yQ)
- Kaihua (Kailh) http://www.kailh.com/gb/Newsdetail.asp?Newsid=37 (http://www.kailh.com/gb/Newsdetail.asp?Newsid=37)
- Greetech http://www.greetech.com/en/products.asp?enBigClassName=GT02%20Keyswitch (http://www.greetech.com/en/products.asp?enBigClassName=GT02%20Keyswitch)
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I'm curious about how well a higher-spring-rate spring would work in an Alps switch. Similar to the spring in MX Clears, where the initial resistance is quite light, then it ramps up considerably by the time you pass the actuation point. I'm thinking this could maybe compensate for the drop-off in resistance after you pass the tactile/click leaf, and potentially make an Alps switch where you could not-bottom-out.
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I'm curious about how well a higher-spring-rate spring would work in an Alps switch. Similar to the spring in MX Clears, where the initial resistance is quite light, then it ramps up considerably by the time you pass the actuation point. I'm thinking this could maybe compensate for the drop-off in resistance after you pass the tactile/click leaf, and potentially make an Alps switch where you could not-bottom-out.
Great Insight! :thumb:
Yes! that will be a problem with the Alps springs over 85g ~ (actuation over 65g~), need more sample Tests.
Alps bottoming-out are one of my favorite too. ;)
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Can somebody tell me the height of the spring chamber inside an Alps switch? To put it another way, how long would a spring need to be so that it would touch the switch bottom and the slider without being compressed while the switch was in the "up" position?
Is this height consistent between the various Alps and Alps-compatible switches?
Is there any advantage to having a spring longer than this height. My thinking here is that if the spring is longer than the chamber, such that it always at least a little bit compressed, then the only thing that matters is the spring-constant (cN per mm). From that you can work out the actuation and bottom out forces.
What about with shorter springs - what's the advantage? I'm guessing if the very top part of the key travel had resistance only from the leaf spring you would get another tactile event when the slider hits the top of the spring. Could be awesome, could be confusing. Anything else?
In terms of measuring and describing springs, for any type of switch, I think we definitely need at least two numbers. Actuation force, bottom-out force, spring constant - pick any two out of these three and you can work out the other easily. Spring length could also be an optional (?) third metric - optional if the spring is tall enough to already be somewhat compressed inside the switch while "up", but required if the spring is shorter.
I guess if you know the internal height of the switch you could work out the actuation and bottom-out forces just from the spring-constant and free-length. But it seems to me that referring to them by both actuation and bottom-out forces would be easiest for people to understand how they're going to feel inside a switch.
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How/when do I sign up for this? I want some heavier springs for my Matias Click switches
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Can I put MX springs into my Alps (Matias) switches or do I need Alps springs specifically?
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Can I put MX springs into my Alps (Matias) switches or do I need Alps springs specifically?
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No, due to all the dimensions differ
Alps springs GB will open in a month ;)
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Hi!@
Alps springs GB will open in a month ;)
Yay :)
(http://i.giphy.com/aLdiZJmmx4OVW.gif)
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Can't wait to play around with salmons and 60g springs!
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Can't wait to play around with salmons and 60g springs!
Counting the days
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Hey sprit!
I would be more than happy to try out some custom ALPS springs and order a few bags, but I honestly do not know what spring weight I want.
Would you be able to provide me with a sample pack of the different weights before ordering more bags?
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Can I put MX springs into my Alps (Matias) switches or do I need Alps springs specifically?
Hi!@
No, due to all the dimensions differ
Alps springs GB will open in a month ;)
It's been a month. Sprit I'm dyin' for some Alps springs!
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The time for Alps springs has arrived!
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It's an interesting board.
It's a Chicony KB-5161 rebranded for Samsung. There is no birth certificate on the board telling me the number or date.
Did you happen to get that one from me by chance? Just curious. :p
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It's an interesting board.
It's a Chicony KB-5161 rebranded for Samsung. There is no birth certificate on the board telling me the number or date.
Did you happen to get that one from me by chance? Just curious. :p
Got it from intelli. They don't seem too common so he might have bought it from you.
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Got it from intelli. They don't seem too common so he might have bought it from you.
Ah okay. I haven't seen anymore Samsung 5161's so I figured they were pretty rare. :thumb:
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Is it rude to bump? I would buy at least three bags of springs anywhere between 60g and 85g.
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(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01701/alps_1701186c.jpg) (http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0175/4662/t/3/assets/slide_compression-springs.jpg?5297574632273463068)
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/33c4b951.gif)
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I'm interested in Alps Switches, I just joined the MD Alps keycaps and I need the switches to build a board for it.
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marked for the future.
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also marked for the future.
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BAMP BOOMP BEEMP BIMP BEMP
Status update plz?
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Update? Need them 70g Alps springs!
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any word/update on this? I'm hoping to get heavier springs for my quiet linear Matias switches for the Planck I got from massdrop. something as heavy as a black or heavier.
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Looks like IC confirmed dead :(
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ALPS Springs - Introducing in August
Thanks for the Long Wait! After the long IC, I'd like to introduce Alps Custom Springs Worldwide.
Already prototyped in 2012-2014, will mass produced in this August.
I will update the progress. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0)
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Very cool, this might make white Alps more palatable for me.
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ALPS Springs - Introducing in August
Thanks for the Long Wait! After the long IC, I'd like to introduce Alps Custom Springs Worldwide.
Already prototyped in 2012-2014, will mass produced in this August.
I will update the progress. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0)
Now we're talking. Looks like 2016 is the year of the Alps? :eek:
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Very interesting, will be watching this.
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removed.
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Yeah, the tactile leaf in brown Alps provides most of the resistance.
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I've been told that lighter springs in skcm browns don't make much a difference. Anyone test this?
Of course; I wouldn't say something like that without testing it myself. :P
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removed.
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How heavy are the stock matias click springs? I want something slightly lighter.
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The Target is to produce ALPS Springs
- 40cN, 45cN, 48cN, 52cN, 55cN, 58cN, 60cN, 65cN, 70cN, 72cN, 75cN at Actuation point.
Any opinion will be carefully listened to and shared.
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I'll ask what everyone else is thinking: What is going to keep you from disappearing again?
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I'll ask what everyone else is thinking: What is going to keep you from disappearing again?
Too much pressures at my work keep me disappear.
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I'll ask what everyone else is thinking: What is going to keep you from disappearing again?
ALPS Springs - How to do GB (1)
I will not invoice or ship individually for this GB. No time to conduct that mission.
When it is produced, limited amounts will be shipped via Proxy or some other way.
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NeXT 1986
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I wanntt :O
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NeXT 1986
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Have one of these. Nice board.
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As long as Mechanicalkeyboards.com is your official US proxy I will definitely pick up a whole bunch of them. Super interested.
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How heavy are the stock matias click springs? I want something slightly lighter.
You should get some Matias linear switches and swap the springs between the two. Improves both switches IMO.
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- 40cN, 45cN, 48cN, 52cN, 55cN, 58cN, 60cN, 65cN, 70cN, 72cN, 75cN at Actuation point.
How long will these springs be? Having so many choices of stiffness is in my opinion not very useful. People would get better range of switch feeling from having fewer stiffness choices, but 2–3 different length choices
Stiffness at actuation point includes the contribution from a metal leaf spring used to depress the contact? If so, which type (complicated Alps? SKBM? Matias?) Does this also include a contribution from a tactile leaf? I assume not.
Can you compare your proposed springs to some specific Alps (or other existing switch) springs, so we have some context and basis for comparison? Ideally compare both stiffness and length (e.g. a side-by-side picture)?
Thanks for putting something like this together, Sprit! More choices of Alps springs will be great!
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- 40cN, 45cN, 48cN, 52cN, 55cN, 58cN, 60cN, 65cN, 70cN, 72cN, 75cN at Actuation point.
How long will these springs be? Having so many choices of stiffness is in my opinion not very useful. People would get better range of switch feeling from having fewer stiffness choices, but 2–3 different length choices
There are a lot of people who favor the minute differences between 55g, 58g, 62g and so on when it comes to Cherry MX. I'd say that the wide array of options is a good thing. Someone might find that their spring of choice hits a very particular sweet spot.
One of my favorite weighted switches is the Alps SKCL Brown switch. In all the board-wide switches I've used, this one is the heaviest, but it's very pleasant. SKCL Cream (the next closest) is 5g lighter (and SKCL Yellow is 5g lighter than that). I'd love having a spring weight that is on point with that switch, for instance. 5g is enough of a difference for me.
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- 40cN, 45cN, 48cN, 52cN, 55cN, 58cN, 60cN, 65cN, 70cN, 72cN, 75cN at Actuation point.
How long will these springs be? Having so many choices of stiffness is in my opinion not very useful. People would get better range of switch feeling from having fewer stiffness choices, but 2–3 different length choices
Stiffness at actuation point includes the contribution from a metal leaf spring used to depress the contact? If so, which type (complicated Alps? SKBM? Matias?) Does this also include a contribution from a tactile leaf? I assume not.
Can you compare your proposed springs to some specific Alps (or other existing switch) springs, so we have some context and basis for comparison? Ideally compare both stiffness and length (e.g. a side-by-side picture)?
Thanks for putting something like this together, Sprit! More choices of Alps springs will be great!
Yes, that's why the scale is so detailed, personally 48cN and 58cN is one of my sweet spots.
Done quite lots of Swapings & Mutants by myself, - Still need You Guys stories, Yes! ;)
Conclusion
Not necessary to show All the complex calculation of all the SW types and it's variations from the different origin of production, IMO.
AS the ALPS has a long long history, incl. the modern Matias, I have concluded Not to mention the structure of complex ALPS SWs,
Just wanna say, ! Everyone is Invited ! ;)
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ALPS Springs - Introducing in August
- Thanks for the Long Wait! After the long IC, I'd like to introduce the Alps Custom Springs Worldwide.
- Already prototyped in 2012-2014, will mass produced in this August.
- 45cN, 48cN, 52cN, 55cN, 58cN, 62cN, 65cN, 68cN, 70cN, 75cN, 85cN (still need Mind-sharing!)
- Any opinion will be carefully listened to and shared.
- I will update the progress everyweek. [IC] https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.0)
- My References : Apple Model 0110, AEK, AEK II, IIgs, Alps Metal SW, Dell AT101, SGI, Wang 725, NorthGate Blue, OmniKey, NCR, Zenith Green Tree, LeadingEdge 2014, 3014, NeXT Black by Steve Jobs
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I'm assuming a coil spring of a given weighting will have a different effect in different Alps switches due to there also being a leaf spring in there. This means I have absolutely no idea what weightings I might want, or whether any of them would be lighter or heavier than what I already have. Sprit could you tell us which of your springs most closely approximate the stock springs in some well known switches? Like which would be closest to a 1-1 swap? Maybe start with the black alps in the AT101, and the matias quiet clicks?
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Sure! Zombimuncha! :)
Absolutely I will show the comparison index for each type.
But need lots time to make tables and pics, I will do it in weeks.
So lets get relaxed, optimistic, sharing infos, and enjoy dreaming of the perfect ALPS for yourself. ;)
* If there are some mistakes with production, I will cover all the costs.
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Just point me in the direction of the spring that will make my cream dampened click modded sound and feel like blues. :)
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Just point me in the direction of the spring that will make my cream dampened click modded sound and feel like blues. :)
AFAIK, There is No Way to transform the cream or dampened click modded - To ALPS Blues. Very differ in the 2nd leaf flat springs.
The Blue 2nd leaf springs(stiff angled) make What the Blue Click is (and the main contact leaf springs in some part).
But... You can get the clicky 2nd leaf springs from other cheaper sources, for example, Matias Clicky, or Chinese Clickiss.
It will be ~70% similar to the genuine ALPS Blues, IMO. (Personally, I prefer softer ALPS White Clicky than Blues).
Hope to hear other opinions!
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Just point me in the direction of the spring that will make my cream dampened click modded sound and feel like blues. :)
AFAIK, There is No Way to transform the cream or dampened click modded - To ALPS Blues. Very differ in the 2nd leaf flat springs.
The Blue 2nd leaf springs(stiff angled) make What the Blue Click is (and the main contact leaf springs in some part).
But... You can get the clicky 2nd leaf springs from other cheaper sources, for example, Matias Clicky, or Chinese Clickiss.
It will be ~70% similar to the genuine ALPS Blues, IMO. (Personally, I prefer softer ALPS White Clicky than Blues).
Hope to hear other opinions!
Ah no worries, it was just little joke :)
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Now's the Time. This IC moves to https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0
Thanks Guys!
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ALPS GB Steps
- Hearing opinions : by the end of July - (Done) [IC] https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.0)
- Final Sample production by Aug 20, Express Ship to Testers (2-3 days) : Undergoing
- Test Reports by 15 Members : Aug 30 - Sept 4 [Testers] https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.msg2239559#msg2239559 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.msg2239559#msg2239559)
- Open GroupBuy on Aug 31 - Sept 11, Payment to the Proxy or SPRiT
- Candidates to produce - Actuation force 40cN, 45cN, 50cN, 55cN, 60cN, 65cN, 70cN, 85cN, 100cN, 125cN, 150cN etc
- Mass Production : Sept 12 - Sept 30
- Inspection and pack : October 3 - Oct 16
- Ship to the Proxies or direct from SPRiT : October 17 - Oct 31
- Special GB Price - $6 /100pcs Standard, $10/100pcs Gold, FREE Shipping Worldwide over $30 Buy
- My References : Apple Model 0110, AEK, AEK II, IIgs, Alps Metal SW, Dell AT101, SGI, Wang 725, NorthGate Blue, OmniKey, NCR Alps, Zenith Green Tree, LeadingEdge 2014, 3014, NeXT Black by Steve Jobs
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NOTICE
The Alps Final Sample springs
are coming to me on 19th Friday, each 5,000pcs, I will pay the sampling fee $1,200 + Gold plating cost.
The half of them will be Gold plated, and 5 packs of Each 100pcs Springs labeled as - A B C D E - will be sent by EMS Express(2-3 days) to the Testers! from 23rd Tuesday.
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