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Title: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Bull1919 on Thu, 21 May 2015, 14:56:43
I've been working on this set for a while which is based off of this (http://imgur.com/eKA22tQ.png?1) book cover, and now I'd like to check if anybody is interested in it and whether I should bother sending it to PMK/SP.

Here is a messy render of the set with a bunch of information. (http://imgur.com/kCdlTtv.png?1)

Here is a cleaner render of a 60% layout: (http://imgur.com/mew38H2.png?1)

Here is a new better render of a 60% layout: (http://imgur.com/BMuZfoV.png?1)

Here is a render of a 60% layout with a green/blue split: (http://imgur.com/2kxWlJm.png?1)

Here is a render with the keys required for a TKL: (http://imgur.com/UqnvgL1.png?1)

Here are some optional mods: (http://imgur.com/XexJ6g7.png?1)


Feel free to ask any question or make any recommendation as this is not set in stone.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Data on Thu, 21 May 2015, 15:02:47
The reason none of your images are loading is because you pasted an incomplete URL between the IMG tags.  The forum software doesn't know how to parse them without an image file extension.

You'll want to edit in the .jpg or .png extension or switch to URL tags.  Your first one should be http://i.imgur.com/kCdlTtv.png?1 not http://imgur.com/kCdlTtv
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Bull1919 on Thu, 21 May 2015, 15:18:24
The reason none of your images are loading is because you pasted an incomplete URL between the IMG tags.  The forum software doesn't know how to parse them without an image file extension.

You'll want to edit in the .jpg or .png extension or switch to URL tags.  Your first one should be http://i.imgur.com/kCdlTtv.png?1 not http://imgur.com/kCdlTtv

Alright thanks I'll fix that
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Data on Thu, 21 May 2015, 15:32:44
No problem.   :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: fliptrik on Thu, 21 May 2015, 15:39:19
This is pretty awesome. I'm personally not a huge fan of the Japanese keys. It's not a deal breaker by any means. It would be nice to have a child deal with extra English backspace keys and a few winkey options.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 21 May 2015, 15:40:09
Is this going to be dye-subbed or did you get quotes on molds OP?
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 21 May 2015, 15:45:56
I really like the colors
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Bull1919 on Thu, 21 May 2015, 16:03:37
This is pretty awesome. I'm personally not a huge fan of the Japanese keys. It's not a deal breaker by any means. It would be nice to have a child deal with extra English backspace keys and a few winkey options.

Yeah sure I could just do english legends then have all the Japanese legends as a child deal.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Bull1919 on Thu, 21 May 2015, 16:08:40
Is this going to be dye-subbed or did you get quotes on molds OP?

Well I'm not sure if it could be dye subbed, I don't know the specifications of what is achievable with dye subbing. I am not sure exactly sure about what style of legends I will be using, as this is pretty much my first set, and I have a lot to learn.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: lolpes on Fri, 22 May 2015, 01:33:49
This really looks like an good design, props for that :) the only thing I would change is eliminate the green, but that's personal opinion, maybe it looks better than I'm imagining ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: zabuza1997 on Fri, 22 May 2015, 12:43:11
wow, fantastic, bae.I love the JAVansese style  :p :p :p :p
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: hcwt on Fri, 22 May 2015, 15:24:33
I've been wanting to buy an SA set for a while now...

This one is a big enough change that I'd be in 100%.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 22 May 2015, 16:26:11
The blue legends look better than the green ones on the red keys.
It's a beautiful design.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Bull1919 on Fri, 22 May 2015, 20:31:19
The blue legends look better than the green ones on the red keys.
It's a beautiful design.
Thanks! Next time I get to my desktop, I'll make a mockup of what that'd look like
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Fri, 22 May 2015, 21:37:38
Very interested =O

I'll keep myself updated
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Reclusive on Sat, 23 May 2015, 13:39:14
need this in my life
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Cods on Tue, 26 May 2015, 04:51:48
Nice!
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: agong8664 on Tue, 26 May 2015, 07:58:23
love it!!
Hoping to see this GB run soon.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: MarkRobbo on Tue, 26 May 2015, 08:13:10
This is pretty awesome. I'm personally not a huge fan of the Japanese keys. It's not a deal breaker by any means. It would be nice to have a child deal with extra English backspace keys and a few winkey options.

I second this, I really like the colours but not a fan of the japanese and windows key designs
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Bull1919 on Tue, 26 May 2015, 19:43:52
Added two new renders which should be much better.

Also thanks for the support :-*
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Tue, 26 May 2015, 20:47:13
I'm loving what you have going on here. Is there any possibility of an ergodox set?
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Bull1919 on Wed, 27 May 2015, 06:42:21
I could offer single blank 2u, 1.5u, and 1u keys, because i think that would have a higher chance to tip than a dedicated ergodox set

edit: Signature Plastics says that from now on, they will offer blank keycaps for every group buy, so you should be good
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 27 May 2015, 07:01:21
I'm actually a fan of this, not sure what kind of board would match it well but the style is very nice :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: zombimuncha on Fri, 29 May 2015, 12:36:42
It's very nice, but quite similar to this one:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71531.0
Maybe you guys could put your heads together and find a way to kinda consolidate the demand for both sets into one?
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Bull1919 on Fri, 29 May 2015, 17:48:39
It's very nice, but quite similar to this one:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71531.0
Maybe you guys could put your heads together and find a way to kinda consolidate the demand for both sets into one?

Hm I haven't seen that one before. I think our ideas are quite different though, because their mods are brighter, and overall it seems a bit more simple than mine.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Reclusive on Tue, 02 June 2015, 07:11:17
bump

would be this in a heartbeat, show some love folks
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Bull1919 on Tue, 02 June 2015, 10:54:18
Storing this one for now, will probably bring it back in a few months.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: tangkims on Mon, 06 July 2015, 19:51:50
oh man.. if this set comes out.. for sure getting it esp in SA
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 06 July 2015, 20:35:21
Do you plan to have more extras kits?

I wouldn't buy this unless I could fit it on my Viper or something similar
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: just66in on Tue, 07 July 2015, 08:20:08
Loving the color combinations. Will make this my first SA set if the gb happens soonsoon  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 07 July 2015, 08:34:50
I'm definitely digging the set, in particular the color combinations. I'd buy this if I could find room in my budget!
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: UKKeycaps on Tue, 07 July 2015, 11:12:33
Looks pretty sweet, not so sure about the font though
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Reclusive on Thu, 16 July 2015, 09:20:03
keep it up lads
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: kirkvomit on Sun, 19 July 2015, 10:24:48
Looks cool
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: diqkiq on Sun, 19 July 2015, 16:13:45
I like this set. I'll be watching this thread for sure
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: andCoffee on Mon, 20 July 2015, 17:42:37
Very nice set.  I'd be interested if it got going on PMK.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: mun2912 on Thu, 23 July 2015, 23:58:46
i want a 3u space bar for my filco mini air  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Jumpy on Thu, 27 August 2015, 19:52:50
Looks pretty sweet, not so sure about the font though

I agree. I would love to see something a little more thematic for the font.

Also voicing support for additional compatibility sets. This would probably end up on my Leopold FC660M.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 27 August 2015, 19:56:34
I agree with changing the font maybe. Was also just thinking that this would look hella with a wood case. Hope I can see this IC make a comeback!
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Bull1919 on Thu, 27 August 2015, 20:40:25
I agree with changing the font maybe. Was also just thinking that this would look hella with a wood case. Hope I can see this IC make a comeback!

Since the plan was for it to be SA(although change is possible), the font would be the font that SP uses with all of their SA sets. Also, I have been working on a wooden poker case (with lots of wood options) on and off for the past  while, but I have been a bit too lazy to make an IC or anything. Also, I don't think that I will bring this set back until either the Otaku Kiibodo set is done on Massdrop (either by failing, or becoming successful) or if enough people express interest.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Jumpy on Thu, 27 August 2015, 21:00:58
I agree with changing the font maybe. Was also just thinking that this would look hella with a wood case. Hope I can see this IC make a comeback!

Since the plan was for it to be SA(although change is possible), the font would be the font that SP uses with all of their SA sets. Also, I have been working on a wooden poker case (with lots of wood options) on and off for the past  while, but I have been a bit too lazy to make an IC or anything. Also, I don't think that I will bring this set back until either the Otaku Kiibodo set is done on Massdrop (either by failing, or becoming successful) or if enough people express interest.

Fair enough on both counts. I prefer this set to the Otaku Kiibodo set by a pretty wide margin. I've subscribed and will be in the GB if/when it happens.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: dung_93 on Sat, 29 August 2015, 00:24:21
great
i love SA  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: keyboardia1 on Tue, 01 September 2015, 17:06:30
Looks great. Any plans for an ISO/international kits?
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: deci on Thu, 03 September 2015, 18:41:22
I'm not really into SA profile anymore but this is a really pretty color scheme!
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: jaffers on Thu, 03 September 2015, 20:49:03
I'd be totally up for this GB. Looks stunning
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Bull1919 on Sat, 05 September 2015, 18:38:27
I'm not really into SA profile anymore but this is a really pretty color scheme!

I'll probably have a vote of dcs vs sa if I decide to run this.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 07 September 2015, 04:11:44
The font SP uses (Gorton Modified) doesn't have an electronic version. It's a bit like Arial, Helvetica and Engraver's Gothic fonts, with different bits from each. The "G" from Arial, the "Q" from Engraver's Gothic, etc, but some characters are not like any of them ("*" for example).

I believe the Keyboard Layout Editor uses Engraver's Gothic for SA sets. You can see in particular the "&" character doesn't match, among others, and it doesn't allow you to make the text size as large as they actually appear on the real thing. Another flaw in KLE is the colour matching. It uses the correct colour for the base of the keycap, but the keytop is lightened, so the colours in the mockup appear lighter than they really are, but I see you've used actual scans of the colour ring samples, which should give a slightly better representation. I find these to be the most accurate, even though they're still not perfect (and NN is missing): http://deskthority.net/wiki/Signature_Plastics_ABS_colours

If you're planning on using fully sculptured SA profile, you should be aware that SP doesn't have Row 4 Shift moulds yet (we've been pushing them to make them) for the 2.25x and 2.75x Shift keys. All Row 3 SA profile is not affected by this issue, of course.

Anyway, I really like the colourway on this keyset, it reminds me of Penumbra (which is still my all-time favourite set) :)
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Vadurr on Tue, 08 September 2015, 19:42:47
interested in this....love the colors!
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: StormyMonday on Tue, 08 September 2015, 21:51:12
It's very nice, but quite similar to this one:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71531.0
Maybe you guys could put your heads together and find a way to kinda consolidate the demand for both sets into one?

Hm I haven't seen that one before. I think our ideas are quite different though, because their mods are brighter, and overall it seems a bit more simple than mine.

I agree, the two sets are quite different. I particularly like the lotus modifier from the other set, however your design and color choices are superior in every other way.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: studyourheart on Thu, 24 September 2015, 00:42:41
these are super pretty, i would be into this set!
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: skaloola on Thu, 24 September 2015, 04:59:27
definitely into it.  would buy it.  thumbs up for going with fully sculpted.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 24 September 2015, 11:21:55
Congrats on a great looking mockup

One thing you should keep in mind especially with those Japanese characters is that the SP molds need at least 1.5mm (IIRC) of clearance in the lines and the spaces between so you might not be able to get those made
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: wangbwhz on Sat, 10 October 2015, 04:51:56
super cool!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 13 October 2015, 09:04:52
Congrats on a great looking mockup

One thing you should keep in mind especially with those Japanese characters is that the SP molds need at least 1.5mm (IIRC) of clearance in the lines and the spaces between so you might not be able to get those made

Yup, you'll need to confirm the designs of the legends with Signature Plastics. They quote 0.020" as the "safe" minimum gap between lines and size of "islands", but they can go as small as 0.008" depending on certain factors. The best is to make sure you don't have any gaps smaller than about 0.010" then confirm with SP if the design is okay or needs modifying. If you want to make sure it's "safe", though, then go with at least 0.020" gaps and islands and stay within 0.38" vertical size and 0.06" of each horizontal edge. 2.25x and 2.75x caps you need to be further away from the horizontal edges due to the smaller support grid.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: krbuck on Tue, 13 October 2015, 11:01:33
Holy crap. I am in love. I'll be in for a set absolutely.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: mobbo on Tue, 13 October 2015, 11:39:11
Really into the colour scheme. Count me in.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: slaction on Sat, 24 October 2015, 16:31:25
Love the colors, I'd be in for a 60% set with mods.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: crayzieap on Sat, 24 October 2015, 17:26:11
Wow.  These look great.  I'm. A big fan of maroon.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: HekusuTekusu on Sat, 24 October 2015, 20:17:32
Definitely interested with this colorway. Hopefully this comes to fruition.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: faizerdude on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:22:41
I like the color scheme and the Jap style. The only thing I would change is maybe add more Jap characters.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: DrCr4nK on Sun, 25 October 2015, 08:30:32
Nice!  I like your color choices.  Look very nice with a dark wood case.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: Pdub on Sun, 25 October 2015, 12:45:32
Nice design! I would totally be interested in getting this. Well thought out and put together.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: jaffers on Wed, 28 October 2015, 05:56:47
Hmmm, I think that a more calligraphic looking text would be more appropriate for this drop, the text as is looks very plain and I think something a little more exotic would better mimic how you are styling this set.
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: STARLORDCOFFEE on Thu, 17 December 2015, 23:48:30
So far im liking these alot. Going to be keeping a close watch on this one.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: andy39412003 on Fri, 18 December 2015, 01:41:06
I love this keyset, the style, color tone, novelty keys and every things.
However, for Chinese/Japanese people, the fonts of Chinese text keys was awful. Because this font is too modern and no soul, it's a meaningless font.
Based on your theme, I suggest you use this font, it called DFKai-SB/KaiU, in Chinese is 標楷體. It is a very traditional font which used from ancient, and more fit the theme's year.
(http://i.imgur.com/un2Z63g.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uqMmqsC.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Hosho SA Keyset
Post by: tesseract4 on Sun, 10 April 2016, 14:48:56
I'd be interested in a set of these as well!