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Title: 1385119 - 124-key IBM Model F?
Post by: quietobserver on Fri, 29 May 2015, 14:31:55
So I stumbled upon this IBM part number 1385119 on some websites.  It's listed as:

124-KEY KEYBOARD 3179/3192 TERMINAL

I know that 1385150 is a 122-key Model F, and 1385167 is an APL 122-key F.  There are some references in these specs of the 3192 terminals to 124-key variants of the 122-keys as being "AP only" (http://argecy.com/3192).  Could 1385119s be Japanese Model F predecessors of the 5576-001?

In my dream scenario I would imagine they make use of the spaces between the Ctrls and Alts which currently have unused/unconnected contact plates in our F-122 PCBs.

I tried to purchase one that was listed as being in-stock on pacificgeek.com, but they came back and told me that they didn't actually have one.  Called TechPartsWarehouse which according to this (http://www.partstat.com/1385119) at one point had 8 for sale at $20 each, and they didn't have any.  :'(

There's one listed for $75 at UpgradeBay.com, but there are too many negative comments about them for me to give them a shot, especially if there might be a good chance that they're referencing the same non-existent one I had tried to order from PacificGeek (it seems a lot of these websites don't actually hold much/any stock and just re-sell you stuff they can get from somewhere else.)

Does anybody have any knowledge of this part number, or Japanese/AP Model Fs?  I'm very very curious as to what this early 124-key is actually like! 
Title: Re: 1385119 - 124-key IBM Model F?
Post by: Snowdog993 on Fri, 29 May 2015, 16:47:09
I have a Model M 1389162 Terminal Keyboard.  Are you sure that is a Model F?  I believe the 138xxxx's are Model M 122's.  Hmm.

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Title: Re: 1385119 - 124-key IBM Model F?
Post by: Parak on Fri, 29 May 2015, 17:00:00
124? Maybe, maybe not, but I did recall seeing a 127 mentioned in some IBM doc a while back. Basically a 122 but with keycaps of relevant size to fit every barrel (the pcb and controller do support that many positions). So maybe it's similar, but with two extra keys instead of 5. IBM did some crazy stuff back in the day..
Title: Re: 1385119 - 124-key IBM Model F?
Post by: quietobserver on Fri, 29 May 2015, 19:17:24
Quote from: Snowdog993 on Fri, 29 May 2015, 16:47:09
I have a Model M 1389162 Terminal Keyboard.  Are you sure that is a Model F?  I believe the 138xxxx's are Model M 122's.  Hmm.

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Well, here's the 1385167 (http://www.recycledgoods.com/ibm-1385167-model-f-keyboard.html)
and here's the 1385151 (http://www.cafr.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-Model-F-122-key-Clicky-Keyboard-1385151-October-1985-EXTREMELY-RARE-/131153035557)
Which are why I think the 1385119 should be an F too.

Quote from: Parak on Fri, 29 May 2015, 17:00:00
124? Maybe, maybe not, but I did recall seeing a 127 mentioned in some IBM doc a while back. Basically a 122 but with keycaps of relevant size to fit every barrel (the pcb and controller do support that many positions). So maybe it's similar, but with two extra keys instead of 5. IBM did some crazy stuff back in the day..

Yeah, well I guess the most likely variation would be that it's some kind of European keyset (Portugeuse?) that uses an additional 2 of those hidden barrels/contacts like the one under the right shift.
Title: Re: 1385119 - 124-key IBM Model F?
Post by: Snowdog993 on Fri, 29 May 2015, 20:17:52
Quote from: quietobserver on Fri, 29 May 2015, 19:17:24
Quote from: Snowdog993 on Fri, 29 May 2015, 16:47:09
I have a Model M 1389162 Terminal Keyboard.  Are you sure that is a Model F?  I believe the 138xxxx's are Model M 122's.  Hmm.

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Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/qJA606Y.jpg)

Well, here's the 1385167 (http://www.recycledgoods.com/ibm-1385167-model-f-keyboard.html)
and here's the 1385151 (http://www.cafr.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-Model-F-122-key-Clicky-Keyboard-1385151-October-1985-EXTREMELY-RARE-/131153035557)
Which are why I think the 1385119 should be an F too.

Quote from: Parak on Fri, 29 May 2015, 17:00:00
124? Maybe, maybe not, but I did recall seeing a 127 mentioned in some IBM doc a while back. Basically a 122 but with keycaps of relevant size to fit every barrel (the pcb and controller do support that many positions). So maybe it's similar, but with two extra keys instead of 5. IBM did some crazy stuff back in the day..

Yeah, well I guess the most likely variation would be that it's some kind of European keyset (Portugeuse?) that uses an additional 2 of those hidden barrels/contacts like the one under the right shift.

Yeah!  It could be.  I can't verify it however.  I do know that the one I have is an M with the same type of feet on it.  I have some pictures in my gallery too.  I really don't know.
Title: Re: 1385119 - 124-key IBM Model F?
Post by: 0100010 on Sat, 30 May 2015, 00:09:07
Quote from: Parak on Fri, 29 May 2015, 17:00:00
124? Maybe, maybe not, but I did recall seeing a 127 mentioned in some IBM doc a while back. Basically a 122 but with keycaps of relevant size to fit every barrel (the pcb and controller do support that many positions). So maybe it's similar, but with two extra keys instead of 5. IBM did some crazy stuff back in the day..

The 127 key Model F is from the IBM 4980, and it is as you described; 122 layout with all keys split (left shift, right shift, enter, numpad 0, numpad +, numpad enter).