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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: ander on Sat, 06 June 2015, 01:34:15
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Hey guys,
Dunno if this really means anything, but tonight I stumbled across this FAQ page (http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/faq) on Unicomp's site, which I don't think is linked to from any of the regular menus—and noticed a couple of interesting entries:
• "Space Saver M – Unique Aspects"
• "Space Saver M – Locking and Unlocking F1–F15"
Think they're gearing up for something?
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I would say they are not, and that this is most likely what they are talking about
http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/SpacesaverM/UB4ZPHA
I may be wrong though.
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The Spacesaver M is the Ultra Classic configured specifically for Apple/Mac users. The SpaceSaver M offers the touch and feel of the Model M buckling spring keyboard merged with some of the system and audio controls seen on Apple® and Mac® keyboards. SpaceSaver M allows for convenient control of iTunes®, Safari® and other applications running on Mac OS X® based systems.
The SpaceSaver M is available in Pearl White or Raven Black and currently only available in buckling spring and USB configurations.
Essentially the Ultra Classic for Apple.
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Unicomp Space Saver does not equal SSK though. SSK stands for Space SavING Keyboard. It got my hopes up for a second too.
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I had an SSK a long time ago but it got lost in a move. So sad.
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I had an SSK a long time ago but it got lost in a move. So sad.
That is a very sad story :(
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I would say they are not, and that this is most likely what they are talking about...
Oh, right, the "Spacesaver M" being the Mac version of the Ultra Classic. I thought the FAQ table's lack of detail might indicate something under development, but apparently it's just Unicomp's penchant for incompleteness.
So, anyone have a clue why Unicomp called the UC and SSM such different names, considering they're the same size? I can't imagine a Spacesaver M is much smaller than Mac KBs, is it? And don't most Mac people use tablets and phones now, anyway?
Also, isn't it odd the UC is $79 while the Mac equivalent—which, as far as I can tell, just has a few different legends—is $94? Did Unicomp figure that since Mac people spend so much more than PC people do, they wouldn't feel right if the SSM was as good a value as the UC?
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I would say they are not, and that this is most likely what they are talking about...
Oh, right, the "Spacesaver M" being the Mac version of the Ultra Classic. I thought the FAQ table's lack of detail might indicate something under development, but apparently it's just Unicomp's penchant for incompleteness.
So, anyone have a clue why Unicomp called the UC and SSM such different names, considering they're the same size? I can't imagine a Spacesaver M is much smaller than Mac KBs, is it? And don't most Mac people use tablets and phones now, anyway?
Also, isn't it odd the UC is $79 while the Mac equivalent—which, as far as I can tell, just has a few different legends—is $94? Did Unicomp figure that since Mac people spend so much more than PC people do, they wouldn't feel right if the SSM was as good a value as the UC?
I think its best to not try and analyse Unicomp and its business model, it does not follow a distinguishable/rational pattern.
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Yep.
I'm sure we all agree—it was mighty admirable for those former Lexmark employees to buy the factory so they could keep making buckling-spring keyboards. Till then, though, they existed primarily to make keyboards for IBM (first as IBM's KB division, then as an IBM subsidiary, then as a separate company with IBM as their biggest customer). So when would they have had to do any serious marketing? I doubt it was ever a significant part of their culture. That would explain why the bits of marketing they have done seem like afterthoughts.
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Unicomp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H70tkO1xUy8) doesn't have the financial resources to replace their aging molds.
What makes you think they have them to produce a brand new model?
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I'm not suggesting they produce any new models... How did you get that idea?
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I'm not suggesting they produce any new models... How did you get that idea?
Think they're gearing up for something?
I interpreted this as hoping they were working on something.
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I wondered if they were, as there's been so much speculation on a Unicomp SSK here over the years. Far be it for me to expect companies with limited funds to invest in prohibitively expensive molds, though. (Ask anyone who knows me—that's one thing I've always been careful not to do, mold-vs.-budget-wise.)
And while I'd be as excited as anyone should U. reveal a SSK, how many units could they realistically expect to sell, after a few dozen of us bought some? How many of their existing boards do they sell? I'm no expert, but I'd guess there aren't all that many people who appreciate such quality in any format. Too bad, really.
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I wondered if they were, as there's been so much speculation on a Unicomp SSK here over the years. Far be it for me to expect companies with limited funds to invest in prohibitively expensive molds, though. (Ask anyone who knows me�that's one thing I've always been careful not to do, mold-vs.-budget-wise.)
And while I'd be as excited as anyone should U. reveal a SSK, how many units could they realistically expect to sell, after a few dozen of us bought some? How many of their existing boards do they sell? I'm no expert, but I'd guess there aren't all that many people who appreciate such quality in any format. Too bad, really.
If Unicomp came out with an SSK in a traditional 80% format - not that weird abomination 75% that's on their facebook - somehow got around the 2kro limitation, and made a nice solid shell - they could probably move several thousand units across several MassDrops.
Additional features that would help would be different colored legend keycap options and possibly different spring weights.
Part of Unicomp's problem all along is that the product is too cheap for what it offers. Just speculation but from someone not looking at their books they appear to run their business like a restaurant where everyone is getting paid but themselves.
The Negative Nancy in me predicts they will no longer be producing keyboards within the next five years simply because of the aging molds/assembly. They will then turn into a repair only business / or selling keycaps. Maybe they might do a bolt mod service. Or simply close shop.
The Positive side of me says they have a SSK pretty much built but are hashing out very difficult technical issues like getting around 2KRO.
That being said, mkawa built several SSK's in his bedroom; so if he can do that what is taking Unicomp so damn long.
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If Unicomp came out with an SSK in a traditional 80% format - not that weird abomination 75% that's on their facebook - somehow got around the 2kro limitation, and made a nice solid shell - they could probably move several thousand units across several MassDrops.
Ah, true, there is the Massdrop thing... I forgot about that.
Part of Unicomp's problem all along is that the product is too cheap for what it offers. Just speculation but from someone not looking at their books they appear to run their business like a restaurant where everyone is getting paid but themselves...
By "too cheap", I take it you're implying their KBs are underpriced rather than poorly made.
Pricing's a funny thing. You may be making a fantastic product that's objectively worth more than its price—but if comparable used, fully restorable products are available for significantly less, the supply-and-demand thing kicks in. That's why what U. is doing seems especially valiant.
That being said, mkawa built several SSK's in his bedroom; so if he can do that what is taking Unicomp so damn long.
No doubt because they'd have to gear up for actual mass production—and as you mentioned, hope to "pay themselves" sooner or later.