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Title: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: Air tree on Sun, 07 June 2015, 00:35:54
I have been talking to some people and apparently my pronunciation of it seems to ruffle some feathers.

I have always pronounced it 'Soulder' for the word solder, I came to find that it's "Sodder" where I live; The United states, and said "F**k it, I'll keep saying Soulder"


I can't be the only American who says it this way. I'm sure I have heard others. And of course the way I've always pronounced it is the BE version..


God damn it, phonetically it makes more sense... >:D
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: Halverson on Sun, 07 June 2015, 00:38:46
Sahdurrrr
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: Air tree on Sun, 07 June 2015, 00:41:11
Sahdurrrr
u make me cry.

heathen.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: Halverson on Sun, 07 June 2015, 00:43:06

Sahdurrrr
u make me cry.

heathen.

Tah-purr
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: demik on Sun, 07 June 2015, 00:52:29
(http://i.imgur.com/lp0BPNL.gif)
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: Air tree on Sun, 07 June 2015, 00:54:23
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/lp0BPNL.gif)

I wish I had dancing skills of that level.

I'll have to deal. :(
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 07 June 2015, 00:54:56
Sahdurrrr
u make me cry.

heathen.

You dare question the word of the girlshark?
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 07 June 2015, 01:04:17
I laugh every time I heard Americans pronounce it like "sudder" and "suddering".

Then I wonder whether "old" Americans would say "udd"?

And if something has sold, was it really "sudd"?

Then I go all soapy :))
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: Air tree on Sun, 07 June 2015, 01:06:15
Sahdurrrr
u make me cry.

heathen.

You dare question the word of the girlshark?
I don't question, I'm stating.

Our lord and savior Girlshark wizbro isn't perfect, but I still have love in my heart for Girlshark.

No matter how wrong.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 June 2015, 03:29:20
I hear sodder more often than soulder.

When I was younger, I thought it was soldiering.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: byker on Sun, 07 June 2015, 03:44:40

Sahdurrrr
u make me cry.

heathen.

Tah-purr


Toe-prey



Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: unipsykal on Sun, 07 June 2015, 04:07:16
Do you like to eat sal-mun or samun?
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 June 2015, 04:53:58
Do you like to eat sal-mun or samun?

I like Sal- mongh
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: fknraiden on Sun, 07 June 2015, 06:02:15
i can see soulder because sold is pronounced with a long o. but i've always said it as if it was spelled sod-ering, as in sod, like the grass ****.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sun, 07 June 2015, 06:26:32
i say sodder because that's how everyone else in Canada said it, though recently i had a friend who would say sold-er like it's spelt lol
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tufty on Sun, 07 June 2015, 06:36:53
It's solder.  With an ell.  Dictionary says ˈsəʊldə, ˈsɒldə

The etymology is from the latin "solidare" (meaning "fasten together") via the french "souder".

So if you say "sodder", either you're a ****ing moron, or a frenchy with a speech defect (see also "canadian")
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: Halverson on Sun, 07 June 2015, 06:57:01
Sah-dur, see hurr durr
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: unipsykal on Sun, 07 June 2015, 07:00:38
It's solder.  With an ell.  Dictionary says ˈsəʊldə, ˈsɒldə

The etymology is from the latin "solidare" (meaning "fasten together") via the french "souder".

So if you say "sodder", either you're a ****ing moron, or a frenchy with a speech defect (see also "canadian")

Wikipedia:
Solder (/ˈsoʊldə/, /ˈsɒldə/ or in North America /ˈsɒdər/)

Being someone who grew up in a foreign country, my wife was quick to correct me when I pronounced it with an L. I've heard it with an L before but heard it without the L plenty of times as well. Just shows that people in different countries pronounce words differently. They will correct you as to how they have heard it all their lives or how it is pronounced in that country. I'll say it however the locals say it to avoid confusion and arguments, just bugs me when some of them fail to pronounce words from their own language correctly especially when that's the only language they speak.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: kurplop on Sun, 07 June 2015, 07:06:02
When in Rome...

Pronunciation is a regional thing. In spite of it being incorrect phonetically, if you want to be understood, you speak the language of the hearer.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 07 June 2015, 07:14:39
The language you're all attempting to speak is called English so as the first Englishman in the thread I am sad to inform you that in all my years speaking to people from all over the country not one of them has failed to notice and pronounce the L.  Be they old or young, illiterate or PhD qualified, and whether Northern, Londoner, Farmer (local to me) or second gen immigrant it's always sol-der.

Much like aluminium, you're just being lazy and skipping a syllable :P
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 June 2015, 07:30:46
Ok.. so what's the CORRECT way??

Ya'll confuzin' me

is it ??:::

Sss - ODD - ER

Sss - ALL - Der 

SO - L- Der

SO - Der
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: vindaon on Sun, 07 June 2015, 07:33:40
sodder


Ls are for heathens
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 June 2015, 07:34:43
sodder


Ls are for heathens

So, you're saying..     SSS--ODD--ER
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: kurplop on Sun, 07 June 2015, 07:36:07
Most areas have regional discrepancies. To my American's ear, the English putting an R sound on the end of many words that don't end with an R seems odd. My west coast ear also wonders why Midwesterners pronounce Missouri with a soft A on the end.

In spite of its phonetical inconsistencies, if the purpose of speech is communication, shouldn't we speak to be understood?

Besides that, we should learn from history. It's my understanding that the United States fought the Revolutionary war primarily because we no longer wanted to add that improper R sound at the end of words. Don't we have more important things to squabble about?

Either way, it's good fodder, or should I say folder, for discussion.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: unipsykal on Sun, 07 June 2015, 07:44:13
Ok.. so what's the CORRECT way??

Ya'll confuzin' me

is it ??:::

Sss - ODD - ER

Sss - ALL - Der 

SO - L- Der

SO - Der

The correct way is the way people say it in your area.
If you always hear sodder, then sodder it is.. until you move to another part of the world.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 June 2015, 07:50:12
Ok.. so what's the CORRECT way??

Ya'll confuzin' me

is it ??:::

Sss - ODD - ER

Sss - ALL - Der 

SO - L- Der

SO - Der

The correct way is the way people say it in your area.
If you always hear sodder, then sodder it is.. until you move to another part of the world.

IPA  says   ˈsɒd ər

that means

--ɒ--
   The “ough” in “thought” in Standard American English

Would that be the official?

   S--aw - der

Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: unipsykal on Sun, 07 June 2015, 08:04:31
Ok.. so what's the CORRECT way??

Ya'll confuzin' me

is it ??:::

Sss - ODD - ER

Sss - ALL - Der 

SO - L- Der

SO - Der

The correct way is the way people say it in your area.
If you always hear sodder, then sodder it is.. until you move to another part of the world.

IPA  says   ˈsɒd ər

that means

--ɒ--
   The “ough” in “thought” in Standard American English

Would that be the official?

   S--aw - der


I guessing you are in the US so its:

saw-der / saw-dur / sodd-er

Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 June 2015, 08:12:53


IPA  says   ˈsɒd ər

that means

--ɒ--
   The “ough” in “thought” in Standard American English

Would that be the official?

   S--aw - der


I guessing you are in the US so its:

saw-der / saw-dur / sodd-er


Is    Der the same as Dur..

I feel like  Dur  is more   Duhh--r

Vs  Der
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: demik on Sun, 07 June 2015, 09:57:16
S otter
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 June 2015, 10:40:44
S otter

here's the problem

the official seems to be ou-GH,  but ur going with  O-tt
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: paicrai on Sun, 07 June 2015, 13:22:10
It's solder.  With an ell.  Dictionary says ˈsəʊldə, ˈsɒldə

The etymology is from the latin "solidare" (meaning "fasten together") via the french "souder".

So if you say "sodder", either you're a ****ing moron, or a frenchy with a speech defect (see also "canadian")
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: jacobolus on Sun, 07 June 2015, 14:48:51
Pretty sure the original pronunciation in English (from several hundred years ago) skipped the L. If the British have started putting the L sound back in, that’s a semi-recent development, within the last 100–150 years or something. Probably driven by people who read books about it but never soldered anything. For the same reason, Shakespeare plays sound terrible in modern British English: sometime in the 19th century all the pronunciations changed and now nothing rhymes and the puns don’t make sense.

As for Australians, they can’t pronounce anything right, so it’s really not worth worrying about. Searching around online, it seems that some older British people (the kind who work with their hands) still use the correct pronunciation, as do the Irish.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tbc on Sun, 07 June 2015, 15:07:32
sold(however you write the pronounciation of that) der


although i just use every pronounciation depending on nothing at all
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 June 2015, 15:32:25
sold(however you write the pronounciation of that) der


although i just use every pronounciation depending on nothing at all


say whaaa...

You're suggesting  SOUL- Der ?
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: paicrai on Sun, 07 June 2015, 15:39:34
the only "sod"s around here are the ****ers pronouncing it sodder
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 07 June 2015, 15:45:02
I say sole-durr
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 June 2015, 15:47:11
I say sole-durr

To my ears,  Soul sounds identical to sole..
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: wholphin on Sun, 07 June 2015, 16:34:40
Here in New Zealand it's pronounced "Soul"der - or at least I've only ever heard it pronounced that way
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 June 2015, 17:23:09
Here in New Zealand it's pronounced "Soul"der - or at least I've only ever heard it pronounced that way

are you sure it's  s-ough  or s-oul
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tbc on Sun, 07 June 2015, 17:24:22
sold(however you write the pronounciation of that) der


although i just use every pronounciation depending on nothing at all


say whaaa...

You're suggesting  SOUL- Der ?

well depends on your accent lol, but why not?

i see the word 'sold' and then an 'er' after it.

why would i not pronounce 'sold' with an 'er' after it?
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: beehatch on Sun, 07 June 2015, 18:03:53
How is this still going on?

The correct way: /ˈsädər/

I will make fun of you if you put that damn L in there. Same goes for the words FOLK and YOLK. No L pronounced.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 07 June 2015, 18:42:18
Folk deserves an L if you are speaking clearly, and definitely in something like "Folkways Records"

Yolk probably needs a hint of L so that it is not the same as yoke.

But I have never used or heard an L in solder, the thing that you do with a hot iron and soft metal. But I am not a sodder by any means.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: paicrai on Sun, 07 June 2015, 19:07:44
How is this still going on?

The correct way: /ˈsädər/

I will make fun of you if you put that damn L in there. Same goes for the words FOLK and YOLK. No L pronounced.
sådder, fok, yok and abcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyz
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: wholphin on Sun, 07 June 2015, 19:15:45
Wiktionary has a good section on pronunciation:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/solder#Pronunciation

I pronounce it like a Australian does
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 07 June 2015, 19:28:20
That was an interesting guide.

http://languagehat.com/solder/ (http://languagehat.com/solder/)

To clarify, being a US Southerner, our pronunciation is much closer to "SAW-der" than "sodder" and the tool is a "SAW-DER-ing iron"
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: beehatch on Sun, 07 June 2015, 19:37:54
Seriously, still?

You can go by the formal pronunciation that you find in dictionaries. I use Oxford, for example.

Of course, there are going to different pronunciations depending on your dialect. I consider this to be informal.

There is no right or wrong per se. The English language and dictionaries are changing everyday.

As long as you understand the formal/informal way, then who cares how you say it.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: fanpeople on Sun, 07 June 2015, 19:47:33
As for Australians, they can’t pronounce anything right, so it’s really not worth worrying about.

As an Australian I would just like to confirm this as fact. Also Australians have the worst accent for television not that it matters because nothing we produce is worth sending to the international screen. We also tend to make words up and then use them out of context, need an example I don't know I am Australian.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: unipsykal on Sun, 07 June 2015, 20:24:18
How about: Subtle

there is supposedly a letter b in there but us sodder sayers cant see it
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: Vibex on Sun, 07 June 2015, 20:26:57
I say both. But I should start saying satyr. Sounds like more fun. :p
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: appleonama on Sun, 07 June 2015, 20:46:36
I say how it is spelled. F*** the system
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: Blaise170 on Sun, 07 June 2015, 23:44:08
I grew up thinking it was soul-dur but I was oft correct by others that it is saw-dur. I live in the southern US so as other have said, regional dialects will matter.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: demik on Sun, 07 June 2015, 23:45:31
m'sodder
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 08 June 2015, 00:11:11
Soul-der for life.

Take that system. I DON'T ABIDE BY YOU.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 08 June 2015, 00:23:08
Seriously, still?

You can go by the formal pronunciation that you find in dictionaries. I use Oxford, for example.

Of course, there are going to different pronunciations depending on your dialect. I consider this to be informal.

There is no right or wrong per se. The English language and dictionaries are changing everyday.

As long as you understand the formal/informal way, then who cares how you say it.

Oh god, ur so snooty.

Tp4 uses Murican' Heritage, 
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 08 June 2015, 00:32:35
Seriously, still?

You can go by the formal pronunciation that you find in dictionaries. I use Oxford, for example.

Of course, there are going to different pronunciations depending on your dialect. I consider this to be informal.

There is no right or wrong per se. The English language and dictionaries are changing everyday.

As long as you understand the formal/informal way, then who cares how you say it.

Oh god, ur so snooty.

Tp4 uses Murican' Heritage,

You've never seen me snooty!
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 08 June 2015, 02:48:56

Sahdurrrr
u make me cry.

heathen.

Tah-purr


Toe-prey

Thorpe.

One silly bull.
Title: Re: 'sodder' vs 'soulder'
Post by: henz on Mon, 08 June 2015, 03:06:54
its called LÖÖDA!