Post by: Melvang on Mon, 08 June 2015, 02:21:08
Right now I have zero idea what these will cost, but I am planning on going through the same shop that Mkawa is going through for his Ti plates. He has told me that they are not having any issues with doing the work on the plates. Plus it is close enough, I can drive down and pick the parts up.
Now for a pic of what I have come up with.
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The main difference between the one I found and the one I am building is the hardware, and the recessed portion around the hardware. With the original, you could only route the o-rings around one side. With my design, you can choose between around both sides at each corner, providing a touch more security that cards won't fall out.
Would there be enough interest in this for me to move forward with this project? I might adhoc one out of aluminum in my garage, minus the recessed portion due to me not having access to a mill anymore. This would be mostly to test oring sizes.
With the hardware I am choosing the plates should sit a little over 1/16" above a table on the o-rings.
I have two versions being made, one in 1/16" and one in 1/8" aluminum. These are prototypes only. After I have them on hand built, and tested, would anyone like to test as well?
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 08 June 2015, 02:21:20
Heedpantsnow
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 08 June 2015, 02:40:44
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 08 June 2015, 02:46:02
Hrrrm... this is going to require some premium o-rings to be reliable... I think that's probably the long term issue..
O-rings are stupid cheap and surprisingly durable.
Post by: byker on Mon, 08 June 2015, 03:19:14
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 08 June 2015, 04:03:55
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 08 June 2015, 04:39:20
(http://i.imgur.com/WnIPMOj.jpg)
Secrid (https://www.secrid.com/en/)
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 08 June 2015, 12:03:20
I thought this was then replaced by a similar thing called the RidgeWallet.
I have seen the ridge, but don't care for the elastic bands.
Not to hijack your thread but have you ever seen these?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WnIPMOj.jpg)
Secrid (https://www.secrid.com/en/)
I had not seen the Secrid wallet until now. While it looks like a great product, I don't like the limitation of only 6 cards aside from one version they have.
My design is much more flexible than these in that you can care many more than just 6 cards.
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 08 June 2015, 12:08:35
Post by: Joey Quinn on Mon, 08 June 2015, 12:28:01
Edit: Forgot to say that I'd be interested in your wallet depending on the price.
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 08 June 2015, 12:31:20
What about the Ti ridge wallet? It's a bit pricy but I've been using mine for 8 months without issue.
Edit: Forgot to say that I'd be interested in your wallet depending on the price.
My biggest issue with the Ridge, is you are limited to releasing cards from one side due to the 3 fixed positions of the elastic bands. This this idea, you can move the o-rings to both sides of a corner, and have 4 sided protection when when you need to toss it in a bag or something that is going to be getting tossed around, or you can flip them to one side of a corner, and have access to cards from any direction.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Mon, 08 June 2015, 12:34:13
Now that's something I didn't really think of. When you start prototyping this I'd be happy to buy in and help test it.What about the Ti ridge wallet? It's a bit pricy but I've been using mine for 8 months without issue.
Edit: Forgot to say that I'd be interested in your wallet depending on the price.
My biggest issue with the Ridge, is you are limited to releasing cards from one side due to the 3 fixed positions of the elastic bands. This this idea, you can move the o-rings to both sides of a corner, and have 4 sided protection when when you need to toss it in a bag or something that is going to be getting tossed around, or you can flip them to one side of a corner, and have access to cards from any direction.
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 08 June 2015, 12:37:54
Now that's something I didn't really think of. When you start prototyping this I'd be happy to buy in and help test it.What about the Ti ridge wallet? It's a bit pricy but I've been using mine for 8 months without issue.
Edit: Forgot to say that I'd be interested in your wallet depending on the price.
My biggest issue with the Ridge, is you are limited to releasing cards from one side due to the 3 fixed positions of the elastic bands. This this idea, you can move the o-rings to both sides of a corner, and have 4 sided protection when when you need to toss it in a bag or something that is going to be getting tossed around, or you can flip them to one side of a corner, and have access to cards from any direction.
Plus the orings are easily replaceable and dirt cheap.
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 08 June 2015, 12:59:28
I'm a back pocket wallet holder so the overall thickness is a big deal, and most of these metal wallets are made super thick to prevent bending. What are you thinking in that regard?
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 08 June 2015, 13:04:23
My concern with most of the metal wallets has always been one of comfort.
I'm a back pocket wallet holder so the overall thickness is a big deal, and most of these metal wallets are made super thick to prevent bending. What are you thinking in that regard?
Right now I am thinking of 1/16" plates. It should be thinner than most bi tri fold wallets. It may not be the thinnest minimalist wallet, but by no means it should be huge. It is probably going to be more of a front pocket wallet than rear though would be my guess. I have never tried a metal wallet, nor front pocket wallet. Though I carry my phone in my back pocket. I have had a Droid Maxx and now have a Droid Turbo I carry in my back pocket, both of which had Otter Box Defender cases. And I never had an issue with those. Aside from one cracked screen on my last Droid, but I was in a situation that 99% of the population wouldn't be in.
Post by: nephiel on Mon, 08 June 2015, 13:24:56
It's basically a money clip, but one side is credit-card-sized. A wallet can't get any minimalistic than that and still qualify as a wallet.
Post by: neverused on Mon, 08 June 2015, 14:47:57
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 08 June 2015, 19:32:39
Post by: Melvang on Tue, 09 June 2015, 00:14:42
I'd be in for this. I assume the price would be lower than commercial ones since you're not making much profit?
That is an objective
Post by: byker on Tue, 09 June 2015, 00:20:25
I'd be in for this. I assume the price would be lower than commercial ones since you're not making much profit?
That is an objective
I would think it might be similarly priced due to economy of scale, but cheaper is definitely appreciated. :)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 09 June 2015, 06:30:22
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 09 June 2015, 21:22:14
Post by: Melvang on Wed, 10 June 2015, 01:36:42
When this happens I'm going to heat mine to change it's color.
Ti annodizes with nothing but electrolyte solution and electricity. I believe the voltage determines the color, and it is a one way change. Lower voltage colors can be changed at a later date to higher voltage colors, but not vice versa, without mechanical removal of the prior coloring.
I am having some prototypes made. Both in aluminum, one in 1/16" material courtesy of kurplop, and one in 1/8" from a friend from the military that happened to have moved about an hour from me.
After I get them in hand, would anyone like to further test and provide inputs?
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 10 June 2015, 01:47:19
When this happens I'm going to heat mine to change it's color.
Ti annodizes with nothing but electrolyte solution and electricity. I believe the voltage determines the color, and it is a one way change. Lower voltage colors can be changed at a later date to higher voltage colors, but not vice versa, without mechanical removal of the prior coloring.
I am having some prototypes made. Both in aluminum, one in 1/16" material courtesy of kurplop, and one in 1/8" from a friend from the military that happened to have moved about an hour from me.
After I get them in hand, would anyone like to further test and provide inputs?
I'd be down to test. Been looking for a replacement for my EZGO recently.
Post by: byker on Wed, 10 June 2015, 01:59:22
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 10 June 2015, 06:15:53
When this happens I'm going to heat mine to change it's color.
Ti annodizes with nothing but electrolyte solution and electricity. I believe the voltage determines the color, and it is a one way change. Lower voltage colors can be changed at a later date to higher voltage colors, but not vice versa, without mechanical removal of the prior coloring.
I am having some prototypes made. Both in aluminum, one in 1/16" material courtesy of kurplop, and one in 1/8" from a friend from the military that happened to have moved about an hour from me.
After I get them in hand, would anyone like to further test and provide inputs?
Oh, me me me!
Oh and about color changing. A long time ago I got a Ti water kettle and wanted to test it. So I put about a cup of water in it and put it on my parents' gas stove. And then forgot about it. Came back about 4 hours later, and man that thing was crazy hot. Turned off the stove, let it cool. I was sure I had ruined it (it was my first Ti piece of gear). It turned out totally fine. When I took it off the stove the bottom had changed to that Ti rainbow coloring, in the design of the gas burner. Pretty cool. That was 1998, been using it ever since.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 10 June 2015, 06:21:49
I'd be happy to help test the design.When this happens I'm going to heat mine to change it's color.
Ti annodizes with nothing but electrolyte solution and electricity. I believe the voltage determines the color, and it is a one way change. Lower voltage colors can be changed at a later date to higher voltage colors, but not vice versa, without mechanical removal of the prior coloring.
I am having some prototypes made. Both in aluminum, one in 1/16" material courtesy of kurplop, and one in 1/8" from a friend from the military that happened to have moved about an hour from me.
After I get them in hand, would anyone like to further test and provide inputs?
Post by: nephiel on Wed, 10 June 2015, 11:25:42
When this happens I'm going to heat mine to change it's color.
Ti annodizes with nothing but electrolyte solution and electricity. I believe the voltage determines the color, and it is a one way change. Lower voltage colors can be changed at a later date to higher voltage colors, but not vice versa, without mechanical removal of the prior coloring.
On Ti, the anodization is a layer of titanium oxide that forms on the surface of the metal. It is the thickness of this layer what determines the perceived color.
Heat does make the oxide layer thicker, but it's hard to achieve a uniform color. If you're satisfied with a colorful, rainbow-y pattern, though, any gas stove or blowtorch will do.
With electrolysis you have better control over the process (for a given current, the more voltage, the thicker the layer). At the very least, you need a can of cola and some 9V batteries.
The color spectrum repeats at the end, so if you go past a low-voltage color you want, you can get it again... provided you can apply enough voltage (or heat) to make the oxide layer twice as thick.
More info here (http://mrtitanium.com/interference.html)
Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 10 June 2015, 11:34:48
In that case I'm going to try and get purple.When this happens I'm going to heat mine to change it's color.
Ti annodizes with nothing but electrolyte solution and electricity. I believe the voltage determines the color, and it is a one way change. Lower voltage colors can be changed at a later date to higher voltage colors, but not vice versa, without mechanical removal of the prior coloring.
On Ti, the anodization is a layer of titanium oxide that forms on the surface of the metal. It is the thickness of this layer what determines the perceived color.
Heat does make the oxide layer thicker, but it's hard to achieve a uniform color. If you're satisfied with a colorful, rainbow-y pattern, though, any gas stove or blowtorch will do.
With electrolysis you have better control over the process (for a given current, the more voltage, the thicker the layer). At the very least, you need a can of cola and some 9V batteries.
The color spectrum repeats at the end, so if you go past a low-voltage color you want, you can get it again... provided you can apply enough voltage (or heat) to make the oxide layer twice as thick.
More info here (http://mrtitanium.com/interference.html)
Post by: Melvang on Wed, 10 June 2015, 13:07:27
If so PM me your mailing address.
I would like to ask that each person in the tour cover cost of shipping to the next member, mostly so I don't have to pay out shipping all across the US and Canada.
If anyone would be willing to send to Canada, let me know, and I will put you at the end so it stays int he US as long as possible.
Post by: byker on Wed, 10 June 2015, 13:13:39
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 10 June 2015, 13:25:26
Looks like there is a fair amount of interest in testing these. Would you guys be interested in doing a mini tour?
If so PM me your mailing address.
I would like to ask that each person in the tour cover cost of shipping to the next member, mostly so I don't have to pay out shipping all across the US and Canada.
If anyone would be willing to send to Canada, let me know, and I will put you at the end so it stays int he US as long as possible.
OK, PM'ing you now. Let's make sure there's a public list and stuff is kept track of so that it doesn't get "stuck" somewhere.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 10 June 2015, 20:55:51
Post by: Melvang on Wed, 10 June 2015, 23:27:48
Back to anodize colors, I know that for aluminum they do a thin anodize coat to make the surface porous, then use dyes to achieve vivid, uniform colors, followed by another round of anodizing. I'd be willing to bet titanium colors are achieved the same way.
Nope, colored anodized coatings on aluminum and titanium are totally different. There is no dye involved in anodizing titanium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=241&v=3ZhVOy-ytJY
Post by: Ceedog on Mon, 22 June 2015, 12:32:53
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 22 June 2015, 12:48:21
As someone who's been prowling Kickstarter for years looking for a decent wallet, and as someone with an unnatural love for titanium (I have a bit of a physical connection to it), this seems like an awesome project. I'm definitely in, but I have a quick concern: what about jeans? I can't put a silicone case on my phone, or it will get ripped off getting in or out of my pocket. Is there any chance the o-rings can come off, as well, in a tight pocket, or are they hard enough to where they don't stick?
I honestly don't know yet. I don't believe it will be an issue though with the little amount of of it that there is.
Post by: Ceedog on Mon, 22 June 2015, 12:49:03
Post by: nephiel on Mon, 22 June 2015, 13:01:37
Post by: trees on Mon, 22 June 2015, 14:34:10