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Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: CX23882 on Sat, 26 September 2009, 09:43:32
Is anyone else looking forward to the Tactile Pro 3.0?

There isn't much information about it on their website, so I hope it isn't going to be vapourware, but if it's anything like the TP 2.0, it could well be a fantastic keyboard, assuming that they don't screw something up controller-wise. If they release an ISO version, it could be perfect.

Recently, I've found having volume controls on the keyboard to be pretty useful, especially when using separate speakers and subwoofer (necessitating the use of the Windows master volume). "Use the mouse", you say? Fine, but you can't do that whilst in the middle of a game.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: Rajagra on Sat, 26 September 2009, 10:25:02
Wait ... the TP2 had HHKB-like functionality (http://www.matias.ca/tactilepro2/optimizer/index.php)!? :O

Wouldn't it be great if the TP3 made the most of that by shrinking the size.
I know, not what they are aiming at, but a nice thought.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: hyperlinked on Sat, 26 September 2009, 11:49:45
Quote from: Rajagra;120726
Wait ... the TP2 had HHKB-like functionality (http://www.matias.ca/tactilepro2/optimizer/index.php)!? :O

Wouldn't it be great if the TP3 made the most of that by shrinking the size.
I know, not what they are aiming at, but a nice thought.


I'm awaiting word on the TP3 too, but not for some Smurfified version. ;)

I've been waiting for a long time for the TP3. I'm a fan of the optimizer features on Matias keyboards and own a Matias Optimizer keyboard but found the build quality really lacking. The numerous negative reviews of the TP2 scared me away from every trying it and I'm just praying that they get the TP3 right because as much as I find keyboards fascinating, I really just want to own one keyboard.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Sat, 26 September 2009, 12:07:29
Quote from: CX23882;120719
Is anyone else looking forward to the Tactile Pro 3.0?


Yes!

I'm waiting patiently. Someone mentioned that they had contacted company recently and were told its coming out in a matter of weeks. But then they've said this before apparently.  The website says Fall '09.

I'm waiting patiently and hoping that a) they have fukkas like the tp2; b) they dont muck up the controller.

If they do a and b, then I'll probably buy one since I want a full-size (with numpad) fukka board (the ask-6600 and the absm1 were nice but the former has a tiny backspace (I'd prefer regular) and the latter has a transposing problem).

If I buy a tp3 then my filco fukka zero will go on sale, lol.

If they muck up the tp3, I'll be looking to buy a filco brown/blue controller board, lol.

Either way I'm going to get a working fukka board finally for my collection, dammit! ;)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Tue, 29 September 2009, 10:19:37
Quote from: CX23882;120719

Recently, I've found having volume controls on the keyboard to be pretty useful, especially when using separate speakers and subwoofer (necessitating the use of the Windows master volume). "Use the mouse", you say? Fine, but you can't do that whilst in the middle of a game.


Volume buttons are the only buttons I missed on my mechanical keyboards. I don't care much for the others.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: mech on Tue, 29 September 2009, 10:24:29
Personally I like running line-out to an audio system, and having a volume knob somewhere on my desk.  Something like this is handy.
(http://www.slashgear.com/gallery/data_files/2/7/8/asus-xonar-u1-usb-audio-layout.jpg)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 29 September 2009, 10:30:37
Quote from: patrickgeekhack;121431
Volume buttons are the only buttons I missed on my mechanical keyboards. I don't care much for the others.

I miss those, too. The Phaethon and Strongman keyboards have them. I wish Diatec would add those to the Filco.  I actually like how Dell keyboards have a volume knob, too.  I would like a volume knob and a mute button.  The mute button comes in very handy at times.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: hyperlinked on Tue, 29 September 2009, 10:33:37
It appears the mercurial Tactile Pro is getting pushed back again despite the rumors of an imminent release. The release horizon has since been changed to Autumn 2009 to Autumn 2009/Winter 2009.

I suppose they can then argue that February 2010 is technically a continuation of Winter 2009 when they finally do release it. ;)

http://matias.ca/tactilepro2/index.php
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 29 September 2009, 10:43:31
This (http://www.mega-nerd.com/erikd/Img/hey_dell.png) was the one I was thinking of. These are what we used to get at work. Now, we're getting a new, scissor switch 'board that's actually kinda nice. The switches on the new 'boards are crisp and light. Nothing that would make me switch, but I was pretty suprised. Maybe one day, manufacturers will start making good keyboards again... right.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: mech on Tue, 29 September 2009, 12:00:01
Quote from: itlnstln;121441
This (http://www.mega-nerd.com/erikd/Img/hey_dell.png) was the one I was thinking of.


That's the keyboard I was using while my 'e' key was repeating.  It was horrific to type on.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 29 September 2009, 12:01:19
Quote from: mech;121455
That's the keyboard I was using while my 'e' key was repeating. It was horrific to type on.

It's not the greatest keyboard in the world, but I like its volume control.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: mech on Tue, 29 September 2009, 12:09:33
My volume knob (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/83/241528633_a2fc6506a2.jpg) isn't on the keyboard, but it's close enough.  I'd rather use a mechanical keyboard and use something else for that task.  Besides, I've had bad luck getting everything integrated with extra keyboard hotkeys.  I usually have no patience to run special hotkey drivers or anything like that.

* Picture not of my own equipment, found it in Google search.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 29 September 2009, 12:24:14
Quote from: mech;121458
My volume knob (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/83/241528633_a2fc6506a2.jpg) isn't on the keyboard, but it's close enough. I'd rather use a mechanical keyboard and use something else for that task. Besides, I've had bad luck getting everything integrated with extra keyboard hotkeys. I usually have no patience to run special hotkey drivers or anything like that.
 
* Picture not of my own equipment, found it in Google search.

Agreed, and at home, where I have a better audio system, this is certainly the case.  At work, I generally use headphones, so external controls are definitely handy.
 
On another note, I have never had trouble getting at least the basic multimedia functions to work (in Windows, anyway), but I do know what you're talking about, though, in terms of some of the other hotkeys.  Half of my hotkeys never worked on a Logitech 'board I had, because I never installed the software.  The volume and play/pause/etc. buttons worked fine.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: mech on Tue, 29 September 2009, 13:45:51
It's hit or miss for me.  If I use Windows Media Player, they work... but not in Foobar (I could probably customize, but I don't care that much).  I have an Onkyo SE-U55X at work for a convenient headphone jack + volume knob connected to my Yamaha amp. (The amp is a new addition, and not strictly necessary.)  I would recommend that Xonar U1 for work - very convenient.  Push-button mute/unmute, big volume knob, stick it anywhere that's convenient.  Caveat: I don't own one.  But theoretically, just about any external USB sound card would be a great way to bypass noisy, low-quality headphone circuits on motherboard audio chipsets or crappy powered speakers -- if you care about that stuff.  I try not to get any equipment with less than ~90 dB SNR.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: CX23882 on Tue, 29 September 2009, 15:12:32
I've been playing with AutoHotKey. I know that it can do a lot of fancy things, but I'm just using it for something nice and simple:

Scroll Lock = Volume Down
Pause/Break = Volume Up
Winkey + Scroll Lock = Volume Mute

I've put off trying AHK because of potential conflicts, but I see that Shift + Scroll Lock still works to enable/disable Scroll Lock, and Winkey + Pause/Break and Ctrl + Pause/Break still do what they originally did. I can't think of a single time I've used the Pause/Break key by itself.

I wanted to do Scroll Lock + Pause/Break to be Mute, but it stopped the holding down functions for Vol Up/Down from working. Any ideas?

Code: [Select]
ScrollLock:: Send {Volume_Down}
Pause:: Send {Volume_Up}
[b]Pause & ScrollLock:: Send {Volume_Mute}[/b]
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: majestouch on Tue, 29 September 2009, 15:24:14
Quote from: CX23882;121496
I've been playing with AutoHotKey. I know that it can do a lot of fancy things, but I'm just using it for something nice and simple:

Scroll Lock = Volume Down
Pause/Break = Volume Up
Winkey + Scroll Lock = Volume Mute

I've put off trying AHK because of potential conflicts, but I see that Shift + Scroll Lock still works to enable/disable Scroll Lock, and Winkey + Pause/Break and Ctrl + Pause/Break still do what they originally did. I can't think of a single time I've used the Pause/Break key by itself.

I wanted to do Scroll Lock + Pause/Break to be Mute, but it stopped the holding down functions for Vol Up/Down from working. Any ideas?

Code: [Select]
ScrollLock:: Send {Volume_Down}
Pause:: Send {Volume_Up}
[b]Pause & ScrollLock:: Send {Volume_Mute}[/b]

Mine seems to do what you want:

Code: [Select]
#NumpadAdd::SoundSet +5         ;Master volume up 5%
#NumpadSub::SoundSet -5         ;Master volume down 5%
#NumpadMult::SoundSet,+1,,mute   ;Toggle master mute

Of course my keys are different, but the effect works:)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: hyperlinked on Wed, 30 September 2009, 14:31:26
Well, the email that I've been waiting for the past year and a half finally arrived.

I was joking in my earlier post in which I said Matias moved their delivery timeframe to Autumn/Winter 2009 so they could argue that the first months of 2010 was technically part of Winter 2009, but it appears they're indeed not going to have the TP3 until Jan 2010.

Here's the email I got:

Quote
The wait is almost over and we appreciate your patience! Matias has begun
the first production run of our new Tactile Pro Keyboard.

The keyboard features include:
• Option key characters laser-etched on each key, for easy reference when
typing special symbols and no fading
• Caps Lock Key in the traditional location, with Caps Lock Light
• Volume Control Keys & CD Eject Key
• One cable to connect the keyboard to the computer
• 3 USB 2.0 ports: one located at the extreme left and right of the
keyboard, plus a third one at the back of the keyboard
• Premium quality Alps mechanical key switches, for maximum comfort & speed

We anticipate the first stock of keyboards to arrive early January 2010
and are accepting pre-orders for North American clients via our head
office in Canada. You can fax your credit card and shipping info to us at
1-905-265-8744.

Pre-orders will be billed in Canadian funds at time of fax receipt. The
price is US$149.95 plus US$10.00 shipping and will be converted at the
XE.COM exchange rate on the day of the transaction so your credit card
bill may be slightly over or under US$159.95.
Alternatively, you can mail us a US Dollar cheque for US$159.95 to: Matias
Corporation, 221 Narinia Crescent, Newmarket, ON, L3X 2E1, Canada.

Note: Ontario residents please add 8% PST and 5% GST.
Residents of other provinces in Canada please add only GST or HST to the
cost of your order.

A notice will be posted on our web site once shipping has begun. The
Tactile Pro will be available through our online store if there is any
stock left after pre-orders are fulfilled. However, we have approximately
2,000 people on our Tactile Pro waiting list, and due to production
constraints our first production run is only 1,250 keyboards. We will
fulfill purchases in the order in which they are received. If you miss the
first production run, our second production run will likely be in March
2010.

Thanks again for your patience, and we look forward to providing you with
our best Tactile Pro Keyboard yet!

As much as I want to get one, I think I'm going to sit on the sidelines until at least the second batch to ensure that this keyboard is everything they say it is.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Wed, 30 September 2009, 14:38:03
hey thanks for the info. I was on the mailing list too but havent seen any email yet.

Quote

As much as I want to get one, I think I'm going to sit on the sidelines until at least the second batch to ensure that this keyboard is everything they say it is.


same here, especially since it'll be $159 shipped. I might even just wait for some second hand boards to eventually appear on ebay. But I'm glad its coming out. Hope they're fukkas. Hope the controller is decent.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 30 September 2009, 14:41:29
$160 is a little steep for an Alps (well, any) keyboard.  It looks like it'll have some good features, though.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Wed, 30 September 2009, 14:49:13
Besides I dont want to be a guinea pig any more with new boards ;)  Way too much trouble. I'll wait for someone else to dive in and test ;)

I'll stick with golden oldies until then. Like rdjack's maxi switch m13 that I just bought ;)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: d4rkst4r on Wed, 30 September 2009, 17:56:15
Quote from: itlnstln;121793
$160 is a little steep for an Alps (well, any) keyboard.  It looks like it'll have some good features, though.


It better have dampeners at that price. I don't see any compelling features. Volume controls, ok, eject, meh, usb ports, meh, one cable, meh, noisy modern alps, ugh.

The modern alps variations (Fukkas, XMs) all seem to have the same noise issue. It must be some difference in the shape of the actuator and it seems to be a rattle that happens when the key returns to the top. You can dampen the noise if you keep your fingers on the key tops when they return to the top. I'm just not buying another rattling board - especially at $160.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 30 September 2009, 18:12:18
I'd never pay $160 for ANY keyboard. Even an industrial gray model F.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: maxlugar on Wed, 30 September 2009, 19:14:41
Quote from: microsoft windows;121866
I'd never pay $160 for ANY keyboard. Even an industrial gray model F.


webwit, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the Model F (83 or 84 key) was every produced in industrial gray/green.  Ive scoured the globe for 84-key Model Fs and have only seen them in standard IBM boring beige.

Very early Model M's and Model M's from the mid 1990's came in industrial gray/green.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: maxlugar on Wed, 30 September 2009, 19:20:29
Quote from: hyperlinked;121787




How can they be genuine ALPS key switches if ALPS no longer manufactures computer key switches?

They would have to be Fukka key switches - Welly's wet dream come true (and a competent controller and firmware)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: hyperlinked on Wed, 30 September 2009, 20:10:57
Quote from: d4rkst4r;121860
It better have dampeners at that price. I don't see any compelling features.


I'm holding out hope. One of their original aims with their Tactile Pro line was to be the modern version of the classic AEK keyboards.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Wed, 30 September 2009, 20:56:13
Quote from: hyperlinked;121906
I'm holding out hope. One of their original aims with their Tactile Pro line was to be the modern version of the classic AEK keyboards.


now that would be interesting. dampeners without having to void the warranty. nice. fingers crossed.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: o2dazone on Wed, 30 September 2009, 21:25:46
I have nothing to contribute to the original thread, but if you can snag one of these for cheap

(http://kb.o2dazone.com/powermate01.jpg)

They're pretty awesome. Especially at rolling through open applications
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sat, 03 October 2009, 16:39:36
I'm also in the lineup for a TP 3.0.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: d4rkst4r on Sat, 03 October 2009, 16:51:34
Quote from: o2dazone;121926
I have nothing to contribute to the original thread, but if you can snag one of these for cheap

Show Image
(http://kb.o2dazone.com/powermate01.jpg)


They're pretty awesome. Especially at rolling through open applications


Actually, it is relevant to the thread. These are great when you need that volume control and your keyboard lacks one. You don't need to buy that TP3 after all. :biggrin:
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Sat, 03 October 2009, 17:04:08
i had one of those. Griffin, right? It was sweet, tho pricey. I eventually sold it tho when autohotkey gave me custom volume control.

I'm surprised no one has made a combined 'desktop volume control" plus "desktop speaker power switch".  That would be handy for external speakers that dont come with a wired remote.

I currently have a footswitch to turn my speakers on/off (they're way behind my monitor on my desk):
http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Cable-09493-Christmas-Extension/dp/B00004SQHU/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1254607227&sr=8-12
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41xYRYKCB-L._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

Would be nice to integrate foot-controlled volume too ;) Maybe a pedal ;)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: Rajagra on Sat, 03 October 2009, 17:19:53
Real volume controls are absolute, not relative. Anything that works in volume up/down increments is a poor substitute for a control you can spin instantly and continuously to the level you want.

I bet there's an entire generation growing up who've never even laid hands on a proper volume control.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: d4rkst4r on Sat, 03 October 2009, 17:54:37
Quote from: wellington1869;122689

I'm surprised no one has made a combined 'desktop volume control" plus "desktop speaker power switch".  That would be handy for external speakers that dont come with a wired remote.


You could use a mixer (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002E583S/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=A1Y2BUUVZ49AZ4&v=glance) for this. Or one of these (http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/speakers/8054/).
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: CX23882 on Sun, 04 October 2009, 02:17:51
Quote from: Rajagra;122696
Real volume controls are absolute, not relative. Anything that works in volume up/down increments is a poor substitute for a control you can spin instantly and continuously to the level you want.

I bet there's an entire generation growing up who've never even laid hands on a proper volume control.
I agree with you on this. These days it seems like a lot of rotary volume knobs are just in front of a digital mixer with fixed steps. I've seen some good implementations of this which try to take into account how quickly you spin it, and a lot of bad ones which are completely linear. Even for the good ones, you still can't spin it round to a particular value. But on the other hand, I've never had a digital volume control go crackly (but I have seen one that was similarly dirty and would drift up or down if set to certain positions).

But on a Windows PC, you're tied to a digital mixer anyway, with fixed 1/100 steps (except for some exotic sound cards), so I don't see it as a problem if the control is stepped. When I'm using the hi-fi, I max the sound card and use the real volume knob on the hi-fi, but with the PC speakers, it's more convenient to use the sound card's mixer. I like the little volume knob on the Dell multimedia keyboard, but I can live with buttons.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 05 October 2009, 00:36:46
I want to see pictures.  How am I supposed to decide if I want one without pictures?
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 05 October 2009, 10:40:23
has anyone put in a pre-order? just curious.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: texteur on Mon, 05 October 2009, 12:08:30
Quote from: wellington1869;120748

I'm waiting patiently. Someone mentioned that they had contacted company recently and were told its coming out in a matter of weeks. But then they've said this before apparently.  The website says Fall '09.


Hi everybody,

What I've just received in my mailbox :

   Matias has begun
the first production run of our new Tactile Pro Keyboard.

The keyboard features include:
• Option key characters laser-etched on each key, for easy reference when
typing special symbols and no fading
• Caps Lock Key in the traditional location, with Caps Lock Light
• Volume Control Keys & CD Eject Key
• One cable to connect the keyboard to the computer
• 3 USB 2.0 ports: one located at the extreme left and right of the
keyboard, plus a third one at the back of the keyboard
• Premium quality Alps mechanical key switches, for maximum comfort & speed

You can view images of the new keyboard at: http://matias.ca/tactilepro3
We have not released these photos to the public yet!

We anticipate the first stock of keyboards to arrive early January 2010
and are accepting pre-orders for North American clients via our head
office in Canada. You can fax your credit card and shipping info to us at
1-905-265-8744.

Pre-orders will be billed in Canadian funds at time of fax receipt. The
price is US$149.95 plus US$10.00 shipping and will be converted at the
XE.COM exchange rate on the day of the transaction so your credit card
bill may be slightly over or under US$159.95.
Alternatively, you can mail us a US Dollar cheque for US$159.95 to: Matias
Corporation, 221 Narinia Crescent, Newmarket, ON, L3X 2E1, Canada.

Note: Ontario residents please add 8% PST and 5% GST.
Residents of other provinces in Canada please add only GST or HST to the
cost of your order.

A notice will be posted on our web site once shipping has begun. The
Tactile Pro will be available through our online store if there is any
stock left after pre-orders are fulfilled. However, we have approximately
2,000 people on our Tactile Pro waiting list, and due to production
constraints our first production run is only 1,250 keyboards. We will
fulfill purchases in the order in which they are received. If you miss the
first production run, our second production run will likely be in March
2010.

Thanks again for your patience, and we look forward to providing you with
our best Tactile Pro Keyboard yet!
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: hyperlinked on Mon, 05 October 2009, 12:51:55
Hmm, they updated their email! the version I got didn't have a link to the photos. Thems the hazards of being the first to know.

Anyway, it looks enticing, but for one thing.

What happened to thei #*^&$@^ Optimizer Key!?!?! That was what I was waiting for! I wanted a keyboard with a killer feel and their optimized key mapping built in. I have a program that maps keys, but I can't get every single shortcut that they've programmed and I can't get my faux-optimized key map to work in every interface.

I hope there's a Windows version of this without a Caps Lock. :(
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 05 October 2009, 13:21:51
I just got their email - complete with links to photos!!

WIthout further ado: photos (http://matias.ca/tactilepro3/)

[update: d'oh, texteur beat me to it]

The full email ran thusly:


Quote


Dear xxx,

The wait is almost over and we appreciate your patience! Matias has begun
the first production run of our new Tactile Pro Keyboard.

The keyboard features include:
• Option key characters laser-etched on each key, for easy reference when
typing special symbols and no fading
• Caps Lock Key in the traditional location, with Caps Lock Light
• Volume Control Keys & CD Eject Key
• One cable to connect the keyboard to the computer
• 3 USB 2.0 ports: one located at the extreme left and right of the
keyboard, plus a third one at the back of the keyboard
• Premium quality Alps mechanical key switches, for maximum comfort & speed

You can view images of the new keyboard at: http://matias.ca/tactilepro3
We have not released these photos to the public yet!

Whoops, they're public now!
Quote


We anticipate the first stock of keyboards to arrive early January 2010
and are accepting pre-orders for North American clients via our head
office in Canada. You can fax your credit card and shipping info to us at
1-905-265-8744.

Pre-orders will be billed in Canadian funds at time of fax receipt. The
price is US$149.95 plus US$10.00 shipping and will be converted at the
XE.COM exchange rate on the day of the transaction so your credit card
bill may be slightly over or under US$159.95.
Alternatively, you can mail us a US Dollar cheque for US$159.95 to: Matias
Corporation, 221 Narinia Crescent, Newmarket, ON, L3X 2E1, Canada.

Note: Ontario residents please add 8% PST and 5% GST.
Residents of other provinces in Canada please add only GST or HST to the
cost of your order.

A notice will be posted on our web site once shipping has begun. The
Tactile Pro will be available through our online store if there is any
stock left after pre-orders are fulfilled. However, we have approximately
2,000 people on our Tactile Pro waiting list, and due to production
constraints our first production run is only 1,250 keyboards. We will
fulfill purchases in the order in which they are received. If you miss the
first production run, our second production run will likely be in March
2010.

Thanks again for your patience, and we look forward to providing you with
our best Tactile Pro Keyboard yet!

Best Regards,

etc etc



My first impression - I like it! :)  But personally I need them to be fukkas and I need a non-transposing controller :) Fingers crossed...
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: texteur on Mon, 05 October 2009, 13:28:05
Another thing: why don't they update the design? If those keyboards are built to match with new Macs, they could have used aluminium and black plastic. Why do they still use an five-years-old design (translucent plastic and white keys, somehow like the A1048)?
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: texteur on Mon, 05 October 2009, 14:11:49
...and certainly $50 more for the shipping to Europe. Pretty expensive.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 05 October 2009, 14:16:40
I'll prolly wait for second hand versions to start showing up before I try it (and by then there will have been plenty of guniea pigs ahead of me ;)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 05 October 2009, 17:17:39
Quote from: texteur;123169
...and certainly $50 more for the shipping to Europe. Pretty expensive.


For once I'm happy to be in Canada. Close to Matias' HQ.

Got the notification email as well.

Woooohoooo.

/*****
We anticipate the first stock of keyboards to arrive early January 2010
and are accepting pre-orders for North American clients via our head
office in Canada. You can fax your credit card and shipping info to us at
1-905-265-8744.
*****/

Sure no problem here's my credit card number: 1452-2154-2165-5778 exp 10-3124
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 05 October 2009, 17:37:25
Quote from: BucklingSpring;123225

Sure no problem here's my credit card number: 1452-2154-2165-5778 exp 10-3124


on my way to the L.L.Bean catalog...
Dang.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: timw4mail on Mon, 05 October 2009, 18:01:43
The lettering looks really sharp :)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 05 October 2009, 18:13:07
Quote from: timw4mail;123241
The lettering looks really sharp :)


Yeah but not sure I like the numpad design.
(http://matias.ca/tactilepro3/CRW_5625.jpg)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 05 October 2009, 18:35:35
I want it badly but I need more info and i need to wait for used-board prices. ugh. So prolly will be 12 months before i have one.  Whoever gets one pls get a review up here asap ;)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: hyperlinked on Mon, 05 October 2009, 19:01:43
Quote from: BucklingSpring;123246
Yeah but not sure I like the numpad design.


Yeah too many numbers. What ever happened to good ol' 4 key numpads?
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 05 October 2009, 19:17:50
Quote from: hyperlinked;123253
Yeah too many numbers. What ever happened to good ol' 4 key numpads?


xD
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: mech on Mon, 05 October 2009, 19:34:54
That numpad layout would definitely mess me up.  I use my numpad *all* the time, without looking too.  Still, a handsome keyboard.

The USB hub has the B-style port on it - it would be nice if high-end keyboards would have a female plug instead of the cable sticking directly out. 1.) inadvertent yanks, 2.) portability. 3.) (crudely) adjustable cable lengths.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: timw4mail on Mon, 05 October 2009, 19:41:41
You know, that's the way the AEKII has the numpad. That's probably why it's not more like the traditional IBM numpad.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: timw4mail on Mon, 05 October 2009, 20:23:45
As I'm typing this on my MacBook...
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 05 October 2009, 21:23:49
Honestly, it looks cheap.  The slightly off-square case looks like a $12 "stylish" keyboard.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: hyperlinked on Mon, 05 October 2009, 21:39:14
Quote from: timw4mail;123266
You know, that's the way the AEKII has the numpad. That's probably why it's not more like the traditional IBM numpad.


Other Apple keyboards have also used that layout as well. I didn't even realize it was a bit different than the usual.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: mech on Mon, 05 October 2009, 22:01:54
Quote from: ripster;123269

Mine does.  It's made by that other guy, you know, the one that's not a poser.

Didn't you do that mod yourself though?  I'm not against modding... but at these prices ($150!) an extra $0.75 for a female plug would not kill them.

Although it probably would be fairly trivial to take a USB keyboard, open it up, strip the wire and wire it into one of these: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=139 (or the vertical or mini, depending on your needs).
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: YpoCaramel on Wed, 07 October 2009, 11:33:12
I know you can't please everybody, but a silver and white (or silver and black) version would be just the thing to match the current crop of Macs (or any of the many Mac inspired designs out there).
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Wed, 07 October 2009, 11:34:44
Quote from: YpoCaramel;123719
I know you can't please everybody, but a silver and white (or silver and black) version would be just the thing to match the current crop of Macs (or any of the many Mac inspired designs out there).


They might come out with black/silver later on (They did that with the Tp2 for instance, IIRC).  I like the white one but I too would prefer a normal numpad layout.

(p.s., hello fellow Manhattanite! ;) )
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: rnak92a on Wed, 07 October 2009, 12:12:14
Quote from: wellington1869;123720
They might come out with black/silver later on (They did that with the Tp2 for instance, IIRC).  I like the white one but I too would prefer a normal numpad layout.

(p.s., hello fellow Manhattanite! ;) )

To that color suggestion, Beaker says meemeeemeeeeee!  

Cheers,
~rn
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Wed, 07 October 2009, 12:42:03
Quote from: rnak92a;123723
To that color suggestion, Beaker says meemeeemeeeeee!  

Cheers,
~rn


:-D indeed he does
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5040&stc=1&d=1254937536)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: J888www on Mon, 19 October 2009, 16:19:58
Whites are nice, but it seems Matias designers did not heed any suggestions or recommendations of you avaricious hoarders. Their Escape Key is too White a shade of Red. Just one minute touch of colour to make an exemplary board (?) into a perfect board.         :rockon:
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: cmr on Wed, 28 October 2009, 22:20:16
i finally did start to run into the ghosting problems on my TP2 (why did it take so long for me to be able to reproduce these? no idea) and i've switched back to the AT-101W. as i am still unemployed i doubt i'll be buying a TP3 at release, but i despise the apple-look white models anyway so i imagine i'll have at least a year to get one of the black ones... assuming they make black ones again. if not then no way.

the numpad takes about a week to get used to. i don't really see the point of the extra equals sign but it's nothing at all like trying to get used to a keyboard with a backspace/backslash/enter that deviates (shudder) from the ANSI model M layout.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: Megaweapon on Mon, 16 November 2009, 23:12:26
I pre-ordered the TP3, so I'll write a review.  Need it for work and they won't pay for it, so I guess I'll take the tax write-off.  Not much in the way of clicky Apple keyboards available these days.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: hyperlinked on Mon, 16 November 2009, 23:50:42
Quote from: cmr;128957
i don't really see the point of the extra equals sign but it's nothing at all like trying to get used to a keyboard with a backspace/backslash/enter that deviates (shudder) from the ANSI model M layout.


I don't know about other uses, but I sure got used to having that extra = sign when writing equations in MS Excel.

It's been a few years since I've had to do much in Excel, so I couldn't even remember what extra key was there on the Apple style keyboards.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: wellington1869 on Thu, 19 November 2009, 13:00:31
I just got an email from matias saying there is a new website with more info on the tp3:

http://matias.ca/tactilepro3/  

"On track for January 2010".

I thought this blurb was cute:
Quote

No ghost in this machine.
Most keyboards allow only a certain number of keys to be pressed at once, and often cannot keep up with very fast typists. The result is called ghosting — letters missing from what you actually typed. The Tactile Pro has special Anti-Ghosting Circuitry (also called n-key rollover) to eliminate this problem. You can type as fast as you're able; the Tactile Pro will keep up


And if they fixed it, kudos to them.  

And of course, laser etched keys: (sorry, filco)
Quote

Laser etched keys.
All those symbols are handy, but what happens when they wear off?
They won't. They're laser etched — burned into the keys with a laser — so they'll never wear off.


Also they claim that its been "completely redesigned to offer the best features of the original Tactile Pro, but with much better fit & finish, and incredible attention to detail."
--well, i certainly hope so.

Wow, includes a 3-port hub?!
Quote

3-port Hi-Speed USB 2.0 hub.
For quickly attaching USB peripherals, nothing beats the convenience of an in-keyboard USB hub. No more reaching through the tangle of wires behind your computer to download photos from your digital camera. Just plug it into the keyboard and you're ready to go. Works great with MP3 players, keyring hard drives, joysticks, and mice too. It won't charge your iPod/iPhone, but for syncing it's perfect.


This is a nice touch for PC users (tho i'd prefer a PC layout and black board like they did with the TP2's PC version; probably it'll come later):
Quote

Support for PC users.
The Tactile Pro is a Mac keyboard, but that doesn't mean you can't plug it into a PC and use it. You can. We even offer a download-able driver to change the Command and Option keys into Alt and Windows keys.


I'm assuming it still has real-simplified ALPS switches - have I mentioned lately that the real-simplifieds are da ill bomb?

Oh, and like every other normal vendor on earth, they take returns. Kudos again.

Quote

All of our products (except clearance items) are covered by a 30-day money back guarantee. If you are not satisfied with your purchase, you may return it within 30 days for a full refund or exchange.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: CX23882 on Thu, 19 November 2009, 15:18:16
They do seem to listen to feedback. Also notice that the lock keys all have LEDs in them, after they removed them from the white TP 2.0 (apparently).

I'm not excited enough to pre-order, but I think once the first run has reached people, and if the feedback is good, I might order one of these.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: hyperlinked on Thu, 19 November 2009, 15:49:15
Quote from: ripster;134087
Technically they meant blocking not ghosting but whatever.

Their previous version was ghosting though and it may have had something to do with their Matias Optimizer macros that were built in. I have a Matias Optimizer keyboard and there are certain key combos that I had to type in slowly or crazy letters will pop out. I'm actually hoping they find a way of building a TP3 with their optimizer macros in it without screwing the whole thing up.

I know I can just remap keys to more or less do the same thing, but it's a lot more convenient to have it built in.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: sixty on Fri, 20 November 2009, 00:29:31
Keys and layout look like the PHAETON/KBTalking board. Assuming that they again used strongman for their OEM it most likely is almost identical to those boards, just in a slightly mac-ified case.

(http://armygroup.com.tw/myshop/images/banners/G-Power-101%20Pro-banner-wit.jpg)

Strongman is not new to mac-like-cases either.

Other than that I wish they would stop calling the switches ALPS switches, since clearly they will be XM or Fukkas.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: Megaweapon on Thu, 14 January 2010, 00:37:33
Arrived today.









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Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 14 January 2010, 08:10:23
Strong.  Have you had a chance to use it yet?  How do those ALPS feel?
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 14 January 2010, 08:29:24
I like those keycaps, useful for those of us who use US International.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 14 January 2010, 08:33:13
They did a nice lasering job on them.  The keys are light enough in color, too, that the contrast of the lettering is pretty good.  Not great, but it's much better than the Dells and MX11800 it seems.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Thu, 14 January 2010, 08:42:17
Has anyone been able to view the video?
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: MsKeyboard on Thu, 14 January 2010, 13:52:51
We were able to type on one last week.  Overall a nice board, but not hooked up, so did not test anything else, just typed.  Seems only white for the near future though.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: MsKeyboard on Thu, 14 January 2010, 14:41:52
Well, just unboxed one, and trying it now.  Let me know if you have any questions.......Later
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Thu, 14 January 2010, 14:48:35
Quote from: MsKeyboard;150912
Well, just unboxed one, and trying it now.  Let me know if you have any questions.......Later


How smooth are the keys, and how noisy is it compared to the blue cherries?
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: MsKeyboard on Thu, 14 January 2010, 14:55:46
It is actually very nice to type on.  Tactlie and LOUD, comparable to Blue Cherry in noise.  Board is solid with nice spacing.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: cheater1034 on Thu, 14 January 2010, 14:57:34
Quote from: patrickgeekhack;150916
How smooth are the keys, and how noisy is it compared to the blue cherries?

They are much louder than blue cherries (not as light-sounding either), and require slightly more force to press. I also think the "tactile bump" is a lot more noticable than on blue cherries, although once you get used to the blues it is noticable (to me anyway)

That video sounds about identical to the way the macally sounded, a bit too loud for me but I was able to type very fast on them.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Thu, 14 January 2010, 15:13:44
I was able to view the video finally. It does seem like a very fun keyboard. Unlike last year, I'm not buying any keyboard this year.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: ocdonkb on Thu, 14 January 2010, 16:26:06
Quote from: patrickgeekhack;150930
Unlike last year, I'm not buying any keyboard this year.


Hahaha, I'd be happy just going a month without a keyboard purchase.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: Megaweapon on Thu, 14 January 2010, 18:29:32
Quote from: itlnstln;150777
Strong.  Have you had a chance to use it yet?  How do those ALPS feel?


It feels great, however the TP3 is replacing an A1048 (one of the recent Apple rubber dome mistakes).  So with regard to "feel" pretty much anything would have been an improvement -- including the NMB RT6655T+ I used at home until a few years ago.

As noted by others (and as you can hear in the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAPFiszBaPQ), now that YouTube has finished "processing" it -- no idea why that took 10+ hours) the TP3 isn't so much a clicky keyboard as a THOCK-y keyboard.  I'm used to the much quieter, sharper and higher pitched pre-"bigfoot" Alps on the Datacomp rebadge I use at home.  So the TP3 has actually distracted me from typing a few times today with its noise, but I'm sure I'll get used to it.

I've been too busy doing actual work with the keyboard to do any testing, but hopefully I can get to it and spin this into a proper review next week.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: zwmalone on Thu, 14 January 2010, 18:34:04
Quote from: Megaweapon;150995
pre-"bigfoot"


... bigfoot ALPS are original complicated...  never realized ALPS made a switch prior to the Bigfoot White/Black/Green & Yellows, except for maybe the blues...
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: Megaweapon on Thu, 14 January 2010, 19:52:12
Quote from: zwmalone;150997
... bigfoot ALPS are original complicated...  never realized ALPS made a switch prior to the Bigfoot White/Black/Green & Yellows, except for maybe the blues...


I only know what I read on Geekhack (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=ALPS+switches#Other+Variations).

The link in that section of that wiki article goes to a .jp web site with this image:



Which seems to match:

Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Thu, 14 January 2010, 21:22:58
Quote from: ripster;151011


Anyway, back to the Matias TP3.  Why $150?  And why does it look like a keyboard from the 80's?


Judging by the look only, it does not seem that there has been much done compared to the Tactile Pro 2.0.

As far as the price is concerned, I think Matias feels that there are not many companies out there manufacturing mechanical keyboards for the Mac users. Some Mac users want a keyboard which is Mac-specific and don't like to see the Windows logo on their keyboards. Personally, the Windows logo does not bother me at all.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: fireglow on Fri, 15 January 2010, 06:11:59
I'm not sure about this, but the actual switch hasn't changed from the Tactile Pro 2.0, right?
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Fri, 15 January 2010, 07:27:37
Quote from: ocdonkb;150943
Hahaha, I'd be happy just going a month without a keyboard purchase.


I bought too many keyboards last year. This year, I'll try not buying any keyboard. Note that I said "try" :-)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 15 January 2010, 11:35:13
In 2009, I bought 3 keyboards. I think I did well. The only way I might buy another one this year is if I can get a G80-1800 or another cheap, Cherry brown 'board pops up again (like the SPOS). I will say that there is a 'board that will be available in the next couple of months that I might spring for.
 
For 2010, the count is already 1.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Sat, 23 January 2010, 20:47:26
Quote from: kishy;151123
If you try for none, you'll get a few.
Try for a few, you'll get a lot.
Try for a lot...well, prepare to sell your house.


The only keyboard tempting me this year is the Filco with blue Cherries. Many on this forum know how much I like blue Cherries. That said, I honestly don't think I will be buying any keyboard this. I bought 8 last year. I think I've found my perfect combination. Filco with brown Cherries at work and Topre/G80-3000 (blue Cherries) at home. Although I have been playing with my AT101W and Customizer 104 a few times, I don't see me using them for a long period of time since they are noisier and require more force that the other keyboards.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Sat, 23 January 2010, 20:48:45
The Matias Tactile Pro 3.0 is also very tempting, but I know it will not get much use since, once again, it's too noisy.

OP: How do you like it so far, given that you have been using it for a few days now?
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: bigpook on Sat, 23 January 2010, 21:01:02
the last keyboard I got was the HHKB in December. I used it for a few days and put it back in the box. I don't know what I would get next, if anything. Well, maybe a filco with blue cherries but I don't really know for sure ( I already had one, then sold it).
I think I am covered with what I have now.
Been digging the model m mini for the past 3 weeks or so. Which is quite awhile for me.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: bigpook on Sat, 23 January 2010, 21:19:21
in the box, and in the closet. I got burnt out on the alps. changing the click leafs and springs on the black alps and fukka. bleh. I needed a break from the tedium. The HHKB is very nice, but I didn't connect with it. I was missing the BS keys and ended up breaking out the '88 NIB. Its not so NIB anymore I guess,but its pretty sweet. I want to stay on that for awhile.
What am I saying, lol. Next week I will probably be on something else.

Does anyone else here rotate often through their collection?
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: elservo on Sat, 23 January 2010, 23:58:46
I would rotate through my collection if I had a collection, but all I've got is a sweet Filco and a bunch of rubber domes, and I don't hate myself THAT much to rotate.  

But if you sell me your HHKB I might be talked into some cheating ;)
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: bigpook on Sun, 24 January 2010, 00:27:52
Quote from: elservo;153358
I would rotate through my collection if I had a collection, but all I've got is a sweet Filco and a bunch of rubber domes, and I don't hate myself THAT much to rotate.  

But if you sell me your HHKB I might be talked into some cheating ;)


I take it that would be the blue cherry filco?
if you are happy with it, then I would think you are pretty much good to go.

: ) I am keeping the HHKB, I won't make the mistake and sell it like the last one.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: maxlugar on Sun, 24 January 2010, 00:29:15
Quote from: bigpook;153328


Does anyone else here rotate often through their collection?


At least a different keyboard each week, sometimes a couple times a week.

However, whenever I'm on the road, the only keyboard that is practical for travel is my HHKB Pro 2.  I use it pretty much exclusively with my laptops.  I don't think I can part with it. I think the clinical term is separation anxiety!
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Sun, 24 January 2010, 07:42:12
Quote from: bigpook;153328

Does anyone else here rotate often through their collection?


I used to a lot at the beginning. Not so much now. I've finally settled on the Topre at home and the Filco (Brown Cherries) at work. Once in a while I'll pull the other keyboard for an hour or two.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: hyperlinked on Sun, 24 January 2010, 08:27:35
Quote from: bigpook;153328
Does anyone else here rotate often through their collection?

Only if my hands start hurting or my productivity hits a rut and I need something to try to get me back on track. It's too much of a pain to mount and unmount boards on my keyboard tray and then thread a USB cable through to the back of my desk and back again through a PC cabinet while splayed on the carpet with no visibility.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: Megaweapon on Sun, 24 January 2010, 13:28:14
Quote from: ripster;151011
Anyway, back to the Matias TP3.  Why $150?  And why does it look like a keyboard from the 80's?

As I wrote before, there are very few choices when it comes to clicky Apple keyboards.  Also, there's more to it than Apple/Windows labeling.  The extra function, volume, and power keys are things that I scoffed at when I started using an Apple at work, but they've grown on me.  Since I wanted something I could buy off the shelf, plug in and forget about the TP3 was the obvious choice.

As for the styling, I can take it or leave it.  I would say it looks more like it comes from the 90's than the 80's, with the cord reminding me of the original iMac.

Quote from: patrickgeekhack;153318
OP: How do you like it so far, given that you have been using it for a few days now?


Still really enjoying it.  My typing speed immediately increased (as I expected).  The only thing I miss is the slightly larger option/alt key.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: hyperlinked on Sun, 24 January 2010, 13:47:21
Quote from: Megaweapon;153431
Also, there's more to it than Apple/Windows labeling.  The extra function, volume, and power keys...

Maybe I've gotten too used to PC style keyboards, but what extra function key are you talking about? I don't notice any extra fn keys.

About the only thing I really miss from non-Mac native keyboards is the extra keypad button. I know a lot of people like having the double sized "+" key, but that actually drives me nuts. Having that one oversized key really throws me off.

Quote from: Megaweapon;153431
Still really enjoying it.  My typing speed immediately increased (as I expected).  The only thing I miss is the slightly larger option/alt key.


Cool... now I hope they just release an Optimizer version of the TP3. I'll be first in line if they do that... actually I'll probably be 2000th. After all the problems they've had with their Optimizer sets, it's wise to wait for others to do the testing.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 24 January 2010, 13:55:10
If you have an IBM, with some work, you can split the large + key into two.
Title: Matias Tactile Pro 3.0
Post by: elservo on Sun, 24 January 2010, 14:16:06
What a pleasant surprise to have Megaweapon posting in this thread!