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Title: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Fri, 26 June 2015, 09:18:56
Hey guys,

So i decided to try my hand at making Cherry MX custom keycaps, I have all my equipment set up and waiting, just waiting on my resin and silicone to arrive and just wanting to see if there is any interest in a sale when I get into making these.

Let me tell you a little about me, I got into mechanical keyboards about 6 months ago and one thing led to another and i found myself here. The artisan keycap scene fascinated me! but of all the keycap designs I've seen, I really just prefer keys with unique colors and themes rather then the modeled ones (my favorite keycap I've seen so far would be the clickclack octoberfest).

But MK's weren't my only hobby, before this I would make my own mead (wine made from honey), really good stuff too! I would use different varietals of honey for each batch, vastly changing the taste. Varietals of honey are the flowers in which the bees primarily collect their pollen from, they can range from almost completely clear to a black/brown molasses color. A popular varietal you may see in your local grocery would be 'Orange blossom', this is because citrus fruit farmers need to hire beekeepers to place colonies on their land in order to make sure their trees are pollinated (fyi, 'wildflower' honey, which is the most popular is an industry term for mixed honey with no specific source). This of course prompted me to learn all bees and beekeeping, but alas I don't have the land needed to own a colony :(.

Bees are so important to our economy and our food supply, and really cool! So i wanted to celebrate them by making some honey themed keys in the different honey varietals that are out there.

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I have a pretty good size set of pigments, so hopefully I can duplicate many of those colors, and I have the equipment to hopefully make them bubble-free with relatively high yield, but  limited amounts of resin. If everything works out, it would still be a relatively small sale. I've also designed a custom kepcap in 3D modeler I would like to get CNC machined, but for now I think i've spent enough money, so the first run would be just blank thick cherry mx keycaps. Primarily they will be single color keycaps, and once I get more experience working with it, ill play around with doubleshotting.

The remaining stuff I need will be here next week, I'll keep this thread updated if there's interest.

Thanks,
Zazi
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: animal on Fri, 26 June 2015, 09:43:55
I will be waiting to see your progress. I am also about to start making caps. I've been reading alot lately about molding and casting, watching vids on Youtube and the rest until I can make up my mind which route to follow regarding materials and equipment. As far as I understood a vacuum chamber and compression is a must. It can get quite expensive as I have read.
 I wish you the best luck on your new project!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Fri, 26 June 2015, 09:56:32
Quote from: animal on Fri, 26 June 2015, 09:43:55
I will be waiting to see your progress. I am also about to start making caps. I've been reading alot lately about molding and casting, watching vids on Youtube and the rest until I can make up my mind which route to follow regarding materials and equipment. As far as I understood a vacuum chamber and compression is a must. It can get quite expensive as I have read.
 I wish you the best luck on your new project!

I first got my pressure pot, I was little worried about all the bad things i heard about the Habor frieght pots, so i decided to spend a bit more on a what seems to be a safer pot ( http://www.finishsystems.com/resincastingpressurepots.html  (http://www.finishsystems.com/resincastingpressurepots.html)), it was between this one or a used Binks AMSE certified one on ebay. However, I read that if you do not degas your silicone and use it in a pressure tank, the pressure+bubbles in the silicone could deform your mold. As expensive as silicone and resin is, I decided to pick up a cheap pump+vacuum from ebay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/321778500697?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/321778500697?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)), its was brand new, quiet, and does the job. I rather deal with an initial expense then waste materials down the road. Also this way I can degas my resin before pouring it as well, further reducing bubbles.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: nmur on Fri, 26 June 2015, 10:14:37
I'm a big fan of transparent caps, so I'm very much looking forward to how you progress.

Good luck  :thumb:
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 02 July 2015, 10:56:18
Definitely interested.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Thu, 02 July 2015, 21:32:24
Got my first failure!

I ended up:

a) Making my key too thick, doesn't fit on a switch correctly
b) Not putting enough resin in on this particular mold.

Sadly making new molds take about 16 hours, and there wouldnt be a point of making another key if its not going to fit.

Quite pleased with the plastic / color quality though, its completely bubble free! except for the massive hole on the side :P, that was just due to not putting enough resin in.


Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ShardZer0 on Thu, 02 July 2015, 21:35:38
Transparent caps are awesome, definetly interested.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: retrochick on Thu, 02 July 2015, 22:40:44
That's awesome! The quality came out really well. Any plans to make topre transparent caps?  :p
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 02 July 2015, 23:41:56
Quote from: zazie_rx on Thu, 02 July 2015, 21:32:24
Got my first failure!

I ended up:

a) Making my key too thick, doesn't fit on a switch correctly
b) Not putting enough resin in on this particular mold.

Sadly making new molds take about 16 hours, and there wouldnt be a point of making another key if its not going to fit.

Quite pleased with the plastic / color quality though, its completely bubble free! except for the massive hole on the side :P, that was just due to not putting enough resin in.

Damn. That looks *sweet*. Definitely in now.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 02 July 2015, 23:46:00
Those look OEM, if you want, I can send you some cherry profile caps
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Fri, 03 July 2015, 00:00:06
Quote from: sethk_ on Thu, 02 July 2015, 23:46:00
Those look OEM, if you want, I can send you some cherry profile caps
Indeed they are, I have some blank DCS cherry caps from signature plastics, which are cherry profile R4s I believe. Thanks though! The next mold I do will probably be based on those because it seems even my doubleshot pbt keys I'm making the mold from is still bringing through the print on the mold, and I dont have any blanks of those particular keys.

As for topre keys, I don't own a topre board so I don't have any keys to make the mold from, ha-ha.

I'm starting to think I should have ordered more silicone.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 03 July 2015, 00:02:29
Quote from: zazie_rx on Fri, 03 July 2015, 00:00:06
Quote from: sethk_ on Thu, 02 July 2015, 23:46:00
Those look OEM, if you want, I can send you some cherry profile caps
Indeed they are, I have some blank DCS cherry caps from signature plastics, which are cherry profile R4s I believe. Thanks though! The next mold I do will probably be based on those because it seems even my doubleshot pbt keys I'm making the mold from is still bringing through the print on the mold, and I dont have any blanks of those particular keys.

As for topre keys, I don't own a topre board so I don't have any keys to make the mold from, ha-ha.

I'm starting to think I should have ordered more silicone.
Well, the cherry caps also have sharper edges
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Fri, 03 July 2015, 21:17:34
Finally got some time today to give this another go, came out really well! Bubble free and everything, but the stem is a little loose and won't quite fit on properly, going to see if can modify the mold for my next attempt and make the stem just SLIGHTLY tighter.

In this I used a little bit of gold pearlescent pigment to give it a bit of shine.

Once I get this down, I'll start making molds that will support 5 or so caps at a time.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 07:34:23
These look great!!! Keep it up :D
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Sat, 04 July 2015, 15:07:42
I got a little crazy earlier :s Purple + gold

Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: mdszy on Sat, 04 July 2015, 15:09:38
Oh wow, those look really cool!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 15:42:18
Quote from: zazie_rx on Sat, 04 July 2015, 15:07:42
I got a little crazy earlier :s Purple + gold



Damn thats a lot of gold! I'd like to see the cap you made with that. :)
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 16:47:46
Quote from: zazie_rx on Sat, 04 July 2015, 15:07:42
I got a little crazy earlier :s Purple + gold

Oh my.. how did the cap turn out??
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Sun, 05 July 2015, 19:37:21
Quote from: ccarlitos2 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 16:47:46
Quote from: zazie_rx on Sat, 04 July 2015, 15:07:42
I got a little crazy earlier :s Purple + gold

Oh my.. how did the cap turn out??

The cap i made with that resin ended up being too big again =/. The casts for whatever reason end up being slightly bigger inside the stem and not fit properly, I'm casting with some new molds tonight, the resin this time ended up being a little less purple and little more gold. At this point though, I just want to get a mold that yields a key that will fit properly. Have any cap makers ran across this problem? and how did you fix it?
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Sun, 05 July 2015, 19:41:15
Quote from: zazie_rx on Sun, 05 July 2015, 19:37:21
Quote from: ccarlitos2 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 16:47:46
Quote from: zazie_rx on Sat, 04 July 2015, 15:07:42
I got a little crazy earlier :s Purple + gold

Oh my.. how did the cap turn out??

The cap i made with that resin ended up being too big again =/. The casts for whatever reason end up being slightly bigger inside the stem and not fit properly, I'm casting with some new molds tonight, the resin this time ended up being a little less purple and little more gold. At this point though, I just want to get a mold that yields a key that will fit properly. Have any cap makers ran across this problem? and how did you fix it?

I have never attempted to make caps so I wish I could help. I would maybe pm some of the cap makers here and see what they say. Good Luck! Purple is one my favorite colors so I'm excited to see what you have coming :) :thumb:
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Mon, 06 July 2015, 07:52:09
Quote from: ccarlitos2 on Sun, 05 July 2015, 19:41:15
Quote from: zazie_rx on Sun, 05 July 2015, 19:37:21
Quote from: ccarlitos2 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 16:47:46
Quote from: zazie_rx on Sat, 04 July 2015, 15:07:42
I got a little crazy earlier :s Purple + gold

Oh my.. how did the cap turn out??

The cap i made with that resin ended up being too big again =/. The casts for whatever reason end up being slightly bigger inside the stem and not fit properly, I'm casting with some new molds tonight, the resin this time ended up being a little less purple and little more gold. At this point though, I just want to get a mold that yields a key that will fit properly. Have any cap makers ran across this problem? and how did you fix it?

I have never attempted to make caps so I wish I could help. I would maybe pm some of the cap makers here and see what they say. Good Luck! Purple is one my favorite colors so I'm excited to see what you have coming :) :thumb:

Thanks! I hope to have caps worthy of posting here shortly, I've certainly made enough duds. I'm thinking of spraying an clear Acrylic coating over a few caps (both sides) in the hopes of giving it a smoother finish and providing a little extra thickness on the stem. I'm going to be messaging some of the cap makers around here and see if they've run across this issue (because it seems to happen on all the molds ive made) and see how they've resolved it. Platinum catalyst silicone is pretty expensive and I don't really want to waste anymore until I've got a solution.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: UKKeycaps on Wed, 08 July 2015, 09:41:37
These look good, I'll be keeping my eye on your progress
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 08 July 2015, 11:24:58
Really like these :) We have a couple bee hives at home, and at some land. We just started this year, so no actual honey yet, but hopefully high yields
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: cseng on Wed, 08 July 2015, 11:48:00
looks promising. good luck :)
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Thu, 09 July 2015, 17:28:11
I'm an idiot.

I discovered the issue, even though the 'demold time' was something around 8 hours for the resin i'm using, because the parts are so small, the stems were getting stretched a little bit when I was taking them out of their molds, causing them to not fit. After letting a set of 4 caps cure for a whole day in the mold, i discovered they all now fit! I was assuming these were giong to be more junk, so i let me roommate pick out the color! Indigo, it ended up being a little too clumpy and I couldnt get it broken up 100%, so theres black specs it in lol. But other then that, and me not being careful and causing a little dmg on a couple of them when removing the spue, these are perfect! and they fit perfect!

Thank you to Binge and Katzkinder for taking my questions and helping me troubleshoot my issues.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Thu, 09 July 2015, 17:49:15
Quote from: zazie_rx on Thu, 09 July 2015, 17:28:11
I'm an idiot.

I discovered the issue, even though the 'demold time' was something around 8 hours for the resin i'm using, because the parts are so small, the stems were getting stretched a little bit when I was taking them out of their molds, causing them to not fit. After letting a set of 4 caps cure for a whole day in the mold, i discovered they all now fit! I was assuming these were giong to be more junk, so i let me roommate pick out the color! Indigo, it ended up being a little too clumpy and I couldnt get it broken up 100%, so theres black specs it in lol. But other then that, and me not being careful and causing a little dmg on a couple of them when removing the spue, these are perfect! and they fit perfect!

Thank you to Binge and Katzkinder for taking my questions and helping me troubleshoot my issues.
I quite like the black specs haha those look great :) can't wait to see  what else you have coming :)
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 09 July 2015, 18:29:13
Dude, these are pretty awesome. Can't wait to see the final products.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Binge on Thu, 09 July 2015, 18:34:24
Quote from: zazie_rx on Thu, 09 July 2015, 17:28:11
I'm an idiot.

I discovered the issue, even though the 'demold time' was something around 8 hours for the resin i'm using, because the parts are so small, the stems were getting stretched a little bit when I was taking them out of their molds, causing them to not fit. After letting a set of 4 caps cure for a whole day in the mold, i discovered they all now fit! I was assuming these were giong to be more junk, so i let me roommate pick out the color! Indigo, it ended up being a little too clumpy and I couldnt get it broken up 100%, so theres black specs it in lol. But other then that, and me not being careful and causing a little dmg on a couple of them when removing the spue, these are perfect! and they fit perfect!

Thank you to Binge and Katzkinder for taking my questions and helping me troubleshoot my issues.

You're welcome and don't worry.  You will find that all manner of variables affect the timed element of casting.  If I mix less than a total of 2oz of one of my resins in a batch (this is a lot for just a few keys) then the pot life increases but so does the demold time.

My demold times are rated at around 90 minutes-4 hours.  I enjoy letting them sit for a full 8 hours to be sure everything stays pressurized for as long as it is in gel phase into the curing time.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Fri, 10 July 2015, 07:04:50
Now back to what I originally set out to make :)
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Fri, 10 July 2015, 07:05:59
Quote from: zazie_rx on Fri, 10 July 2015, 07:04:50
Now back to what I originally set out to make :)

These look fantastic!!!! Definitely the right color. Are they MX or Topre?
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 10 July 2015, 07:07:30
The left one in the first is definitely MX. You can see the MX if you zoom in
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Fri, 10 July 2015, 07:14:19
Quote from: CPTBadAss on Fri, 10 July 2015, 07:07:30
The left one in the first is definitely MX. You can see the MX if you zoom in

Ah I see it now. Thank you!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: nmur on Fri, 10 July 2015, 07:17:13
Quote from: zazie_rx on Fri, 10 July 2015, 07:04:50
Now back to what I originally set out to make :)

That... actually looks like it was made from honey. That really looks nice.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: sth on Fri, 10 July 2015, 07:18:25
zazie! these look great. let me know if you want a topre cap to borrow to make a mold of because i am SUPER interested in these!!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Fri, 10 July 2015, 07:40:40
Indeed they are Cherry MX keys, going to stick to these until maybe after my first sale :). Theres a lot of fine tuning on my master keys that need to still be done, these were originally doubleshot keys, you can still see the embossing on most of them if you look closely. Its really pretty amazing the level of detail the silicone can pick up, i'm told it will even pick up fingerprints if you're not careful. I've been using some really fine sandpaper on the top of the keys to even them out, and I think im going to spray some gloss back on the top facing part of the key so they come out clear (like the last two batches i've posted here have been) and leave the sides very finely sanded but still matte.

I'm glad you guys like them :), Luckily the resin I use comes out pretty clear (without the fumes and the higher price of 'water clear' resins) so I can take my time adding pigment to either part of the mixture and be pretty confident its going to come out the color I went for.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Fri, 10 July 2015, 08:23:39
Quote from: zazie_rx on Fri, 10 July 2015, 07:40:40
Indeed they are Cherry MX keys, going to stick to these until maybe after my first sale :). Theres a lot of fine tuning on my master keys that need to still be done, these were originally doubleshot keys, you can still see the embossing on most of them if you look closely. Its really pretty amazing the level of detail the silicone can pick up, i'm told it will even pick up fingerprints if you're not careful. I've been using some really fine sandpaper on the top of the keys to even them out, and I think im going to spray some gloss back on the top facing part of the key so they come out clear (like the last two batches i've posted here have been) and leave the sides very finely sanded but still matte.

I'm glad you guys like them :), Luckily the resin I use comes out pretty clear (without the fumes and the higher price of 'water clear' resins) so I can take my time adding pigment to either part of the mixture and be pretty confident its going to come out the color I went for.

Sounds good :) are you planning on doing any designs or just blanks? Edit: Sorry not blanks, but more then the doubleshot? either way I'm in. I love these colors.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: yehoshuaf on Fri, 10 July 2015, 08:26:14
Nice work.

I'd definitely try a clear coat for a smoother finish. Probably a spray on.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Fri, 10 July 2015, 09:31:33
Quote from: ccarlitos2 on Fri, 10 July 2015, 08:23:39
Sounds good :) are you planning on doing any designs or just blanks? Edit: Sorry not blanks, but more then the doubleshot? either way I'm in. I love these colors.

Double-shots (or even triple shots) are definitely in the future, its more of a question of material expended vs batch size vs working time. I inject the resin using plastic needleless syringes, and i've already gone through my box of 10 or so :P. Now that I've got my fitting issue solved, I can step up the production a bit without the fear of wasting more silicone and other material.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Fri, 10 July 2015, 11:08:59
Quote from: zazie_rx on Fri, 10 July 2015, 09:31:33
Quote from: ccarlitos2 on Fri, 10 July 2015, 08:23:39
Sounds good :) are you planning on doing any designs or just blanks? Edit: Sorry not blanks, but more then the doubleshot? either way I'm in. I love these colors.

Double-shots (or even triple shots) are definitely in the future, its more of a question of material expended vs batch size vs working time. I inject the resin using plastic needleless syringes, and i've already gone through my box of 10 or so :P. Now that I've got my fitting issue solved, I can step up the production a bit without the fear of wasting more silicone and other material.

Sounds awesome. I hope you use that purple color from earlier xD the honey and purple would look boss together.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Fri, 10 July 2015, 13:32:46
This looks amazing! :D Loving the homage to bees, and the yellow honey caps actually look like honey :)

Is there any chance you'll be making these in topre stems? :3
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Alpsie on Fri, 10 July 2015, 14:34:01
oh woaw these are beautiful.
Iīm defiently interrested :D would love 4-8 keys
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Fri, 17 July 2015, 09:52:15
Some updates:

I'll keep you guys posted with no makes and maybe a future sale when i get the materials together :)
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: romevi on Fri, 17 July 2015, 10:06:01
Quote from: zazie_rx on Fri, 17 July 2015, 09:52:15
Some updates:
  • Ran out of silicone! From now on I should be wasting alot less since I've figured out what I was doing wrong. Just ordered some more QM 262.
  • Ordered a full set of some really nice thick blank keycap i'm going to be using as masters for my next molds. With these I'll be able to make bigger batches of maybe a dozen or so.

I'll keep you guys posted with no makes and maybe a future sale when i get the materials together :)

Looking forward to more updates! (And the inevitable order date!)
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Fri, 17 July 2015, 12:20:20
Quote from: zazie_rx on Fri, 17 July 2015, 09:52:15
Some updates:
  • Ran out of silicone! From now on I should be wasting alot less since I've figured out what I was doing wrong. Just ordered some more QM 262.
  • Ordered a full set of some really nice thick blank keycap i'm going to be using as masters for my next molds. With these I'll be able to make bigger batches of maybe a dozen or so.

I'll keep you guys posted with no makes and maybe a future sale when i get the materials together :)

Ohhh. Can't wait to see what comes of it all!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Alpsie on Sat, 18 July 2015, 04:36:59
Omg that is great news :D
Canīt wait to see more
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ironpup on Sat, 18 July 2015, 17:03:52
Can't wait to see these develop, brb while I grab a pb and honey sandwich  :p
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:41:21
Hey guys I know it's been awhile! I decided to deviate a little bit from the honey theme to try out a couple new idea.

I've made grape soda and orange soda caps.. Soon to come: root beer, beer and big red themed caps.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:45:04
Down for some beer caps but careful, some may say you're copying CC's oktoberfest caps.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:52:31
Quote from: temence on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:45:04
Down for some beer caps but careful, some may say you're copying CC's oktoberfest caps.
then ill make an ale ;)
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:56:00

Quote from: zazie_rx on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:52:31
Quote from: temence on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:45:04
Down for some beer caps but careful, some may say you're copying CC's oktoberfest caps.
then ill make an ale ;)
Hefeweizen :3
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ironpup on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:18:02
interested to see how beer and root beer caps differ
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Wed, 12 August 2015, 22:19:41

Quote from: ironpup on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:18:02
interested to see how beer and root beer caps differ
Guessing one is yellow and the other is browner.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:20:11
Quote from: temence on Wed, 12 August 2015, 22:19:41

Quote from: ironpup on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:18:02
interested to see how beer and root beer caps differ
Guessing one is yellow and the other is browner.
correct! :D I'm thinking about making a reddish ale color one as well.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:29:57
I think once I make about 50 or so caps, I'll put together a small sale. I'm getting pretty good at making near perfect caps but I do have imperfect ones in every batch.

By imperfect I mean with very small defects, like a small air bubble... Or a corner that chipped a tiny bit. They all fit well and these defects are only apparent on very close inspection. These I think I'll sell at a discounted price, I'd hate to throw them away for such small issues.

Since I'm dealing with small quantities I'll probably just number and price them individually.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ironpup on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:43:19
looking forward to it  ;D
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:10:47
you need to do some honeycomb texture at the top for grip :P
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: phosphor on Fri, 14 August 2015, 14:32:50
Love the colors. Especially the purple and gold. It reminds me of chamomile tea. I'm thinking a full set of different shades would look wonderful over a white backlight.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Wed, 19 August 2015, 06:53:28
Grape soda and root beer :)
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 19 August 2015, 07:11:43
Quote from: zazie_rx on Wed, 19 August 2015, 06:53:28
Grape soda and root beer :)
That purple colour is amazing O:
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Loonie on Wed, 19 August 2015, 07:34:32
Your caps are amazing !

You all make me want to make my own keycaps... ! I'll add that to the long list of things I want to do :)
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: phosphor on Wed, 19 August 2015, 22:38:45
Fyi, HEB sells a very good artisan rootbeer made from raw local honey. I'll pick up a bottle the next time i see it. I think you'd like the color for a keycap.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Wed, 19 August 2015, 22:43:29
Quote from: zazie_rx on Wed, 19 August 2015, 06:53:28
Grape soda and root beer :)
Gimme gimme.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Heliobb on Thu, 20 August 2015, 02:33:18
Quote from: zazie_rx on Wed, 19 August 2015, 06:53:28
Grape soda and root beer :)

Really great job. I never came on this thread since the your first post. Just read all posts. Impressive work. Keep doing it.

BTW interested to grab you one this keycaps with some foam
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 26 August 2015, 09:43:44
Quote from: zazie_rx on Wed, 19 August 2015, 06:53:28
Grape soda and root beer :)

Loving the root beer! These are really well done, kudos.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zars15 on Wed, 26 August 2015, 11:22:07
Damn, these look stunning! I was thinking about getting some nice novelty caps, and I think that these will be perfect.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: do_Og@n on Sun, 30 August 2015, 14:00:08
Keep it up Zazie....these look great!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Mon, 31 August 2015, 07:06:45
Made a few more colors, unfortunately I think with the blue one I demolded them slightly too early and damaged nearly all of them, so now I hardly have any that that would be fit for sale. Think I'll good those another shot.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Mon, 31 August 2015, 07:18:59
Accidentally took the first picture with the flash, but it highlights the gold ;)
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: 1ammike on Mon, 31 August 2015, 07:20:01
Quote from: zazie_rx on Mon, 31 August 2015, 07:18:59
Accidentally took the first picture with the flash, but it highlights the gold ;)
Sweet glow
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Mon, 31 August 2015, 07:52:58
Quote from: 1ammike on Mon, 31 August 2015, 07:20:01
Quote from: zazie_rx on Mon, 31 August 2015, 07:18:59
Accidentally took the first picture with the flash, but it highlights the gold ;)
Sweet glow
Agreed! they came out looking better than I thought. For the blue I would have liked to use some silver metallic pigment if i had some, but for now its just gold.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Bomble on Mon, 31 August 2015, 07:55:19
I'm definitely interested in these. Simple, nice colours, and quality looks great :thumb:
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:35:13
Are these in Topre?
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:36:05
Quote from: temence on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:35:13
Are these in Topre?
No, just cherry MX.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:36:27
Quote from: zazie_rx on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:36:05
Quote from: temence on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:35:13
Are these in Topre?
No, just cherry MX.
Aww :( I shall return one day when Topre stems arise.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: dgneo on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:37:37
Quote from: zazie_rx on Mon, 31 August 2015, 07:18:59
Accidentally took the first picture with the flash, but it highlights the gold ;)

Holy moly those are gorgeous! Great work, looks like you're improving with every update!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: 108 on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:40:21
Looks really great! Seeing your work (and others) really pumps me up to make my own keycaps!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 31 August 2015, 14:19:46
Wow those look great!  Love the gold in there!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Wed, 09 September 2015, 07:08:42
Hey everyone! After this set (which I'm quite happy with), I probably only have enough resin for one or two more sets. After which I'll see if I can throw together a sale for those interested.'

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/6bcf6a46c349ea02a540ed36d51affcf.jpg)

edit: spelling :x
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: nmur on Wed, 09 September 2015, 07:23:56
Quote from: zazie_rx on Wed, 09 September 2015, 07:08:42
Hey everyone! After this set (which I'm quite happy with), I probably only have enough resin for one or two more sets. After which I'll see if I their together a sale for those interested.
Show Image
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/6bcf6a46c349ea02a540ed36d51affcf.jpg)


Dude, these, as well as all the others in this thread, are awesome. Lots of colours and colour combinations that I've never seen before elsewhere.

I can't wait for the sale  :thumb:
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: romevi on Wed, 09 September 2015, 07:58:18
Cotton candy!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 09 September 2015, 09:59:00
Quote from: zazie_rx on Wed, 09 September 2015, 07:08:42
Hey everyone! After this set (which I'm quite happy with), I probably only have enough resin for one or two more sets. After which I'll see if I can throw together a sale for those interested.'

Show Image
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/6bcf6a46c349ea02a540ed36d51affcf.jpg)


edit: spelling :x


Wow, those look really great!  Good job!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: 1ammike on Wed, 09 September 2015, 10:08:14
Keep them coming, especially grape soda & root beer.It does looks nice
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 09 September 2015, 11:00:33
Quote from: zazie_rx on Wed, 09 September 2015, 07:08:42
Hey everyone! After this set (which I'm quite happy with), I probably only have enough resin for one or two more sets. After which I'll see if I can throw together a sale for those interested.'

Show Image
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/6bcf6a46c349ea02a540ed36d51affcf.jpg)


edit: spelling :x


Those looks so good, just keeps getting better and better!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Fri, 18 December 2015, 09:17:21
Hey guys! Its been awhile..

So I am likely going to get a sale going this weekend! I'm out of resin so I figured this would be the best way to get some more :).

I've got about 50 caps, and about 10-15 factory seconds caps with minor flaws. They will all be labeled/numbered individually, since no 2 are the same. Price will be probably be <10 dollars each, and im thinking if you buy more then 2 caps, ill throw in one or two of the factory seconds. More details to follow....

- Zazi
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: baldgye on Fri, 18 December 2015, 09:19:07
Quote from: zazie_rx on Wed, 09 September 2015, 07:08:42
Hey everyone! After this set (which I'm quite happy with), I probably only have enough resin for one or two more sets. After which I'll see if I can throw together a sale for those interested.'

Show Image
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/6bcf6a46c349ea02a540ed36d51affcf.jpg)


edit: spelling :x


YEAH THOSE ARE AWESOME
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: romevi on Fri, 18 December 2015, 09:24:42
Quote from: zazie_rx on Fri, 18 December 2015, 09:17:21
Hey guys! Its been awhile..

So I am likely going to get a sale going this weekend! I'm out of resin so I figured this would be the best way to get some more :).

I've got about 50 caps, and about 10-15 factory seconds caps with minor flaws. They will all be labeled/numbered individually, since no 2 are the same. Price will be probably be <10 dollars each, and im thinking if you buy more then 2 caps, ill throw in one or two of the factory seconds. More details to follow....

- Zazi

Here they are! Was trying to find this thread the other day and couldn't remember the name of it.

Looking forward to the sale!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ziptyze on Fri, 18 December 2015, 10:03:40
Looking forward to it... those soda ones are looking sick
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 18 December 2015, 10:05:20
Quote from: zazie_rx on Fri, 18 December 2015, 09:17:21
Hey guys! Its been awhile..

So I am likely going to get a sale going this weekend! I'm out of resin so I figured this would be the best way to get some more :).

I've got about 50 caps, and about 10-15 factory seconds caps with minor flaws. They will all be labeled/numbered individually, since no 2 are the same. Price will be probably be <10 dollars each, and im thinking if you buy more then 2 caps, ill throw in one or two of the factory seconds. More details to follow....

- Zazi

Yusssssssssss, looking forward to this!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Fri, 18 December 2015, 10:11:25
Quote from: zazie_rx on Fri, 18 December 2015, 09:17:21
Hey guys! Its been awhile..

So I am likely going to get a sale going this weekend! I'm out of resin so I figured this would be the best way to get some more :).

I've got about 50 caps, and about 10-15 factory seconds caps with minor flaws. They will all be labeled/numbered individually, since no 2 are the same. Price will be probably be <10 dollars each, and im thinking if you buy more then 2 caps, ill throw in one or two of the factory seconds. More details to follow....

- Zazi

Awesome can't wait :D
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: LeandreN on Fri, 18 December 2015, 12:02:13
Looks cool. Looking forward to a sale!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Heliobb on Sun, 20 December 2015, 04:15:20
Excellent ! Can't wait.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Hexterdude on Sun, 20 December 2015, 04:17:57
my body is ready
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: BrainFlush on Sun, 20 December 2015, 13:01:13
Wow you've got something nice here. Count me in!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Sun, 20 December 2015, 14:41:30
Sale thread is up! https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77989
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: mrlooolz on Mon, 21 December 2015, 05:24:27
Amazing Caps, I came a day too late. But will be looking forward to your new work
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Pdub on Mon, 21 December 2015, 06:12:02
Quote from: zazie_rx on Sun, 05 July 2015, 19:37:21
Quote from: ccarlitos2 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 16:47:46
Quote from: zazie_rx on Sat, 04 July 2015, 15:07:42
I got a little crazy earlier :s Purple + gold

Oh my.. how did the cap turn out??

The cap i made with that resin ended up being too big again =/. The casts for whatever reason end up being slightly bigger inside the stem and not fit properly, I'm casting with some new molds tonight, the resin this time ended up being a little less purple and little more gold. At this point though, I just want to get a mold that yields a key that will fit properly. Have any cap makers ran across this problem? and how did you fix it?

PM BunnyLake he may be able to help.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: FlyingLlamaZA on Mon, 21 December 2015, 07:43:03
Hey Zazie_rx, any chance you can share what resin you are using for you translucent caps?
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Mon, 21 December 2015, 07:57:20
Quote from: Pdub on Mon, 21 December 2015, 06:12:02
Quote from: zazie_rx on Sun, 05 July 2015, 19:37:21
Quote from: ccarlitos2 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 16:47:46
Quote from: zazie_rx on Sat, 04 July 2015, 15:07:42
I got a little crazy earlier :s Purple + gold

Oh my.. how did the cap turn out??

The cap i made with that resin ended up being too big again =/. The casts for whatever reason end up being slightly bigger inside the stem and not fit properly, I'm casting with some new molds tonight, the resin this time ended up being a little less purple and little more gold. At this point though, I just want to get a mold that yields a key that will fit properly. Have any cap makers ran across this problem? and how did you fix it?

PM BunnyLake he may be able to help.


Thanks, but Binge helped me out a bit with this, turns out I was demolding it a bit too early, and in the process.. slightly stretched the stem as i was wiggling it out of the molds. Solution: Let it cure in the mold for a day :).

Quote from: FlyingLlamaZA on Mon, 21 December 2015, 07:43:03
Hey Zazie_rx, any chance you can share what resin you are using for you translucent caps?

BJB TC-857

Its not classified as a 'water-clear' on BJB's site, but it ought to be.. comes out very clear with no fumes!
I used the same resin for both, but the pigment i use is dry.. so more pigment = no longer translucent. Since I bought from BJB, they called me and were kind enough to offer me free samples, this time around I'm going to snag some resins that cure to white for the non-translucent caps i plan on making (like the Cyan/Pink Outrun caps), along with more TC-857.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 21 December 2015, 10:28:30
I... I wanna eat them. candy!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: FlyingLlamaZA on Tue, 22 December 2015, 07:00:01
Interesting, thanks! For non-translucent caps have you considered using Urethane liquid plastics instead? Something along the lines of Smooth Cast 300 or ONYX. They have a low viscosity almost that of water and set in 15 min.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Tue, 22 December 2015, 07:54:08
Quote from: FlyingLlamaZA on Tue, 22 December 2015, 07:00:01
Interesting, thanks! For non-translucent caps have you considered using Urethane liquid plastics instead? Something along the lines of Smooth Cast 300 or ONYX. They have a low viscosity almost that of water and set in 15 min.

I had a look at those.. but the working time is way too low. With TC-857 I have about 6 minutes to Mix, degass, pour into the mold, and get in the pressure pot (preferably before it starts to gel.). Smooth cast 300 would only give me less than 3 minutes before it starts gelling and becomes unworkable.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: Telephasic on Tue, 22 December 2015, 07:57:56
Well done, you are coming through with some ethereal effects!
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: FLFisherman on Tue, 22 December 2015, 08:01:00
Quote from: Telephasic on Tue, 22 December 2015, 07:57:56
Well done, you are coming through with some ethereal effects!

I love that word.

And I'll second this sentiment! Your caps are looking great, zazie_rx. Did they all sell out?
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Tue, 22 December 2015, 08:08:13
Having a look through some of the other BJB resins, TC-891 (http://bjbenterprises.com/index.php/polyurethanes/castable/rigid/non-fire-rated/tc-891-a-b-370/) works promising.. cures to white (for non-transparent keys) and gives me 12 minutes of working time.

Quote from: FLFisherman on Tue, 22 December 2015, 08:01:00
Quote from: Telephasic on Tue, 22 December 2015, 07:57:56
Well done, you are coming through with some ethereal effects!

I love that word.

And I'll second this sentiment! Your caps are looking great, zazie_rx. Did they all sell out?

Mostly yes, just a couple rootbeer and red/white ones are remaining.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Thu, 24 December 2015, 16:33:48
Any chance for Topre coming soon :)?
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: __red__ on Sun, 27 December 2015, 00:10:11
If you're taking materials recommendations this is what I use.

GI-1000 for your silicone, oc-7085 or oc-7086 for your glass clear caps.

Gi-1000 is tin based so significantly less expensive than the omo that youre using.

For translucent as opposed to clear I use ie-3076.

And yes, we've all pulled caps out of molds at the published "demold" time and had them fail badly.

great work btw
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: ImAWildDeer on Sat, 02 January 2016, 22:15:08
Awesome caps! Any chance you will be making more grape soda?
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: qazeqaz on Mon, 08 February 2016, 17:15:51
These are pretty slick looking.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 09 February 2016, 02:05:06
Quote from: zazie_rx on Wed, 09 September 2015, 07:08:42
Hey everyone! After this set (which I'm quite happy with), I probably only have enough resin for one or two more sets. After which I'll see if I can throw together a sale for those interested.'

Show Image
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/6bcf6a46c349ea02a540ed36d51affcf.jpg)


edit: spelling :x

They're nice, maybe you should buy some more resin :-X
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: romevi on Tue, 09 February 2016, 08:35:35
Quote from: xondat on Tue, 09 February 2016, 02:05:06
Quote from: zazie_rx on Wed, 09 September 2015, 07:08:42
Hey everyone! After this set (which I'm quite happy with), I probably only have enough resin for one or two more sets. After which I'll see if I can throw together a sale for those interested.'

Show Image
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/6bcf6a46c349ea02a540ed36d51affcf.jpg)


edit: spelling :x

They're nice, maybe you should buy some more resin :-X

Right? I want some more.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: theoriginal123123 on Thu, 11 February 2016, 09:39:56
How do you arrange your vents? I'm looking into making caps too and the most common I've seen is to have two tubes on the corners on the bottom of the caps.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Thu, 11 February 2016, 09:58:20
Quote from: theoriginal123123 on Thu, 11 February 2016, 09:39:56
How do you arrange your vents? I'm looking into making caps too and the most common I've seen is to have two tubes on the corners on the bottom of the caps.

Currently, I've used all 4 corners as sprues/vents and fill them up from one or two corners (depending on the cap effect i'm going for) until I see overflow from all of the other sprues. I found the most effective way to do this is to use plastic tip disposable syringes like this (http://www.amazon.com/Slip-Tip-Disposable-Syringes-100-301604/dp/B0018QTO7A) to inject the resin, just be careful the tip is completely immersed so you don't suck up any air bubbles you just worked out with the vacuum chamber.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: mrlooolz on Thu, 11 February 2016, 10:00:53
Are there any sales soon
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: zazie_rx on Thu, 11 February 2016, 10:11:02
Quote from: mrlooolz on Thu, 11 February 2016, 10:00:53
Are there any sales soon

No plans yet for a sale, trying work out all the kinks I had with the last batches as well as ordering some materials for it.
Title: Re: BeeCaps - First try at keycap making (interest check)
Post by: theoriginal123123 on Thu, 11 February 2016, 10:20:16
Quote from: zazie_rx on Thu, 11 February 2016, 09:58:20
Quote from: theoriginal123123 on Thu, 11 February 2016, 09:39:56
How do you arrange your vents? I'm looking into making caps too and the most common I've seen is to have two tubes on the corners on the bottom of the caps.

Currently, I've used all 4 corners as sprues/vents and fill them up from one or two corners (depending on the cap effect i'm going for) until I see overflow from all of the other sprues. I found the most effective way to do this is to use plastic tip disposable syringes like this (http://www.amazon.com/Slip-Tip-Disposable-Syringes-100-301604/dp/B0018QTO7A) to inject the resin, just be careful the tip is completely immersed so you don't suck up any air bubbles you just worked out with the vacuum chamber.

Thanks a bunch! I currently don't have any pressure/vacuum equipment, so I'll just be trying with molds and care lol. All the literature I've read so far suggests placing your feeder/pour area and vents above the work, so that the air gets pushed upwards and out, your method seems to corroborate that nicely! Been practising my sculpting too, so hope to have something to show for it in a month or two!