Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 18 July 2015, 16:08:08
Post by: billnye on Sat, 18 July 2015, 16:16:10
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Sat, 18 July 2015, 16:16:31
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 18 July 2015, 16:16:40
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 18 July 2015, 16:17:49
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Sat, 18 July 2015, 16:19:20
GO BERNIEI like how his campaign is not so much about him getting elected, but more of starting some sort of political revolution.
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 18 July 2015, 16:27:52
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 18 July 2015, 18:01:39
I would be even more excited for Elizabeth Warren, but Bernie is far more electable.
Hillary Clinton is a very undesirable candidate, she carries a huge amount of baggage, is pro-Wall-Street, pro-Israel, and is a divider, not a uniter.
But at this point, I have no choice but to be a yellow dog Democrat across the board, there is simply too much at stake to vote otherwise.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sat, 18 July 2015, 18:12:18
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 18 July 2015, 18:29:42
The Republicans are even worse...at least the ones running for president. We no longer have Republicans who understand that regulation are a good things, that war and the military industrial complex are a bad thing, and that it's okay to be different and work on reforms to the civic system that respect people and the Constitution while still respecting people's beliefs (such as marriage reform, education funding and reform, immigration reform, drug law reform, and prison reform). We have a party that seems to get off on saying **** the government, **** the poor, and **** brown people, the 'Murican Dream is still alive as long as you're born a straight, white, upper-class male.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 July 2015, 18:50:38
People who clear > than $500,000... Republican, always republican.
That's all you need to know.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 18 July 2015, 18:57:35
People clearing < than $500,000.. It doesn't matter who wins.
TP I am extremely disappointed.
It matters the most to the folks at the bottom of the food chain, and least to folks at the top.
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 18 July 2015, 19:02:41
Post by: Booper on Sat, 18 July 2015, 19:06:18
It matters not who is in the White House in any case. That person is only a figurehead. Banks and other corporations run the US as it is, and that isn't going to change any time soon.
+1
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 July 2015, 19:12:22
People clearing < than $500,000.. It doesn't matter who wins.
TP I am extremely disappointed.
It matters the most to the folks at the bottom of the food chain, and least to folks at the top.
I wish it really did matter.. But it simply does not.. The policies instilled by big government is designed to FARM people, not help them..
For example.. The easiest thing to increase the welfare of the entire nation is education..
It's incredibly cheap, fast acting, and can accelerate family income by several generations..
YET, what happens.. policies farm the low end of the spectrum for military service, directly maintaining a poverty level to fill all the nasty occupations, JUST to maintain the status quo for the nouveau riche...
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Post by: demik on Sat, 18 July 2015, 19:14:14
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 18 July 2015, 19:16:12
I'm just here for official donald trump twitter.ftfy?
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 18 July 2015, 19:20:36
I'm just here for the republican racism.
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Republican-flag.jpg)
Also, the most offensive political bumper sticker I've seen (NSFW, probably):
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-M_745jpObV0/T4OClXEY_iI/AAAAAAAAAek/GekGgLuKK6E/s1600/bumpersticker.jpg)
I'm just here for official donald trump twitter.ftfy?
It's sad, because he's so close to looking like a likable Nazi.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gUHwgQ4jr3I/Um-PQJkwVrI/AAAAAAAASO0/sQjNk18W4MM/s1600/SgtShultz.png)
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 18 July 2015, 19:23:48
I wish it really did matter.. But it simply does not.
Consider a war.
It is started by politicians, managed by generals, and fought by the soldiers on the ground.
To whom, in your opinion, does that war "matter" the most to, and to whom the least?
@jdcarpe - change can easily occur with a progressive government - Theodore Roosevelt (the last "original" Republican) did it.
But yes, defeatist attitudes will defeat us.
Post by: demik on Sat, 18 July 2015, 19:34:27
Is that bumper sticker from the **** hole that is Orange County?I'm just here for the republican racism.Show Image(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Republican-flag.jpg)
Also, the most offensive political bumper sticker I've seen (NSFW, probably):MoreShow Image(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-M_745jpObV0/T4OClXEY_iI/AAAAAAAAAek/GekGgLuKK6E/s1600/bumpersticker.jpg)I'm just here for official donald trump twitter.ftfy?
It's sad, because he's so close to looking like a likable Nazi.Show Image(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gUHwgQ4jr3I/Um-PQJkwVrI/AAAAAAAASO0/sQjNk18W4MM/s1600/SgtShultz.png)
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 18 July 2015, 19:41:03
Post by: demik on Sat, 18 July 2015, 19:51:45
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 18 July 2015, 19:52:47
Oh. Makes sense. OC is more closet racist than the sister ****ing south.aight man
Post by: demik on Sat, 18 July 2015, 19:55:40
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 18 July 2015, 20:28:48
:))
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 18 July 2015, 21:23:36
My grandparents think the democrats are the true root of evil and they pay and rig elections in their favour, because they are evil. And that republicans are the unsung hero's. And they think obama is evil. And maybe a muslim.
:))
seems legit to me :thumb: ;)
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Sat, 18 July 2015, 22:02:06
CAN'T DUMP THE TRUMPjust gonna leave this here (https://www.reddit.com/r/****TrumpSays)
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 July 2015, 22:09:31
CAN'T DUMP THE TRUMPjust gonna leave this here (https://www.reddit.com/r/****TrumpSays)
He's just not a likable person..
the President is an IMAGE.. more than anything else.
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 18 July 2015, 22:12:44
My grandparents think the democrats are the true root of evil and they pay and rig elections in their favour, because they are evil. And that republicans are the unsung hero's. And they think obama is evil. And maybe a muslim.
:))
Which is ironic given that they're probably using two of the biggest drains on the government that Democrats stand by and Republicans keep trying to cut, Social Security and Medicare. Of course, they paid into it and everyone else is so lazy and doesn't deserve any kind of help and socialism is literally the work of Satan.
Post by: billnye on Sat, 18 July 2015, 22:16:15
You know who I'm talking aboutk den
Post by: trees on Sat, 18 July 2015, 22:18:10
I would be even more excited for Elizabeth Warren, but Bernie is far more electable.
You and I are of the same mindset
Post by: Lain1911 on Sat, 18 July 2015, 22:20:48
Post by: demik on Sat, 18 July 2015, 22:39:02
?You know who I'm talking aboutk den
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 18 July 2015, 23:29:18
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 19 July 2015, 03:51:42
People clearing < than $500,000.. It doesn't matter who wins.
People who clear > than $500,000... Republican, always republican.
That's all you need to know.
Regardless of what party you are from, the POTUS gets the same salary.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 19 July 2015, 11:59:52
Bernie is a different guy, but a little too socialistic for me, although I like him more than Robot Hillary. I appreciate some business sense, because taking the risk to start a business is an important part of any economy.
There's my rant, I'm out, see you all in November 2016.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 19 July 2015, 12:05:24
The presidential race is a joke now. It's just a media event. They trot out these egomaniacs, hold a few debates to make it look like they are discussing actual issues, and then half the voting population (because the other half doesn't vote) elect some puppet of the party that ultimately will do whatever the monied interests tell them to do, or what will increase their popularity. I'm done with presidential politics, I don't even care anymore.
Bernie is a different guy, but a little too socialistic for me, although I like him more than Robot Hillary. I appreciate some business sense, because taking the risk to start a business is an important part of any economy.
There's my rant, I'm out, see you all in November 2016.
Mmmmhmm...
That's the gist of large corporations..
Really ask yourself WHAT IS political-efficacy.. MONEY.....
Who has MONEY ?
You guys see the pattern? it doesn't matter who you vote for..
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 19 July 2015, 12:14:24
There aren't going to be a lot of people putting money into Hillary's campaign, so you won't even get a chance to vote for her...
And as for doing what their lobbyists want, its the getting bills past congress which is the hard part.
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 19 July 2015, 15:42:52
It matters not who is in the White House in any case. That person is only a figurehead. Banks and other corporations run the US as it is, and that isn't going to change any time soon.I would say that is the best case scenario. Sarah Palin or Donald Trump or someone else who is close on the crazy scale would be far worse.
It has usually been groups that want to be future administrations that have chosen their presidential candidate... and those people are usually level-headed. Evil, for sure, each personifying the "great satan" that the US has been accused of being, but still level-headed.
However, the president is in his/her power to oust that group completely once he/she has been elected... and if the group has chosen poorly and unable to control their figurehead, then USA could break up much earlier than predicted.
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 19 July 2015, 16:25:26
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 19 July 2015, 17:04:26
It also secures the candidate in the pockets of his/her financial backers for the immediate future.
I feel hopeful that the citizens of the US are starting to see that a president not beholden to moneyed overlords, such as Barak Obama and Jimmy Carter, the only 2 genuinely good and honorable men that I have had the opportunity to vote for in my lifetime, is the type of leader who could lead us out of the tragic miasma we find ourselves in today.
And nothing short of a Constitutional Amendment overturning "Citizens United" can undo the harm that has been ensconced in recent decades.
Post by: Findecanor on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:50:05
Anyway... I heard that Bloom County is coming back:
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Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:54:20
a president not beholden to moneyed overlords, such as Barak Obama
I had to double take. What makes him "not beholden to moneyed overlords"? I must have missed something.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 20 July 2015, 16:15:00
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 20 July 2015, 17:04:17
I, too, am furiously angry at Obama's inability to rein in the financial giants, but I do believe that he would if he could.
That 's the same as saying.. Yea, Everyone knows the right thing they aught to be doing.. But faced with the allure of the cupcake.. all sane decisions go out the window.
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 20 July 2015, 17:12:13
It matters not who is in the White House in any case. That person is only a figurehead. Banks and other corporations run the US as it is, and that isn't going to change any time soon.
qft
which is why i don't vote
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 20 July 2015, 18:21:53
It matters not who is in the White House in any case. That person is only a figurehead. Banks and other corporations run the US as it is, and that isn't going to change any time soon.
qft
which is why i don't vote
PLEASE VOTE !
A vote not cast is a very real vote FOR the Republican status quo and worse.
Whose vision of the future do you prefer?
People who do not vote are the ones who enable the Evil Ones to maintain control !
Why doesn't EVERYONE recognize this?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 20 July 2015, 21:16:33
It matters not who is in the White House in any case. That person is only a figurehead. Banks and other corporations run the US as it is, and that isn't going to change any time soon.
qft
which is why i don't vote
Haven't you heard? All the people who don't vote are voting Bernie.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 20 July 2015, 22:53:41
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 20 July 2015, 23:26:50
TIL all Republicans and southerners are racist, no matter what they believe; and anyone who doesn't agree with Nubs is "crazy". Yay.
Because that's totally what I said....
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 21 July 2015, 07:44:36
It matters not who is in the White House in any case. That person is only a figurehead. Banks and other corporations run the US as it is, and that isn't going to change any time soon.
qft
which is why i don't vote
PLEASE VOTE !
A vote not cast is a very real vote FOR the Republican status quo and worse.
Whose vision of the future do you prefer?
People who do not vote are the ones who enable the Evil Ones to maintain control !
Why doesn't EVERYONE recognize this?
:blank:
Can't tell if sarcastic...
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 21 July 2015, 07:52:14
It matters not who is in the White House in any case. That person is only a figurehead. Banks and other corporations run the US as it is, and that isn't going to change any time soon.
qft
which is why i don't vote
PLEASE VOTE !
A vote not cast is a very real vote FOR the Republican status quo and worse.
Whose vision of the future do you prefer?
People who do not vote are the ones who enable the Evil Ones to maintain control !
Why doesn't EVERYONE recognize this?
:blank:
Can't tell if sarcastic...
I think everything after "PLEASE VOTE!" is meant to be sarcastic.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 21 July 2015, 07:57:17
Can't tell if sarcastic...
Absolutely not sarcastic.
Bangladesh has considerably higher voter turnouts than the US.
If you want a president like Rubio, Cruz, Santorum, another Bush Jr, etc, then vote for for him. If you want somebody better, the choice is yours.
Just make a choice, whatever you do, don't remain silent.
This attitude really makes me despair over the younger generations.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 21 July 2015, 08:02:04
Can't tell if sarcastic...
Absolutely not sarcastic.
Bangladesh has considerably higher voter turnouts than the US.
If you want a president like Rubio, Cruz, Santorum, another Bush Jr, etc, then vote for for him. If you want somebody better, the choice is yours.
Just make a choice, whatever you do, don't remain silent.
This attitude really makes me despair over the younger generations.
+1
My friends have seriously been pissing me off when they say they don't care about the elections.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 21 July 2015, 08:09:18
Can't tell if sarcastic...
Absolutely not sarcastic.
Bangladesh has considerably higher voter turnouts than the US.
If you want a president like Rubio, Cruz, Santorum, another Bush Jr, etc, then vote for for him. If you want somebody better, the choice is yours.
Just make a choice, whatever you do, don't remain silent.
This attitude really makes me despair over the younger generations.
Alright, I have one major beef with this mindset. If you want to tell people they should vote, great. That's awesome. I think we should all vote too.
But please, educate yourself. I cannot believe how many people vote that have no freaking clue what they're voting for, other than a name.
If you don't know what or who you're voting for, please do not vote.
But that's just my opinion. ;) Other people will tell you it's your "civic duty" to vote, regardless... :rolleyes:
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 21 July 2015, 08:14:52
I'll give you my point. When I was allowed to vote (18yo here), I made a lot of researchs because I wanted my vote to have a sense.
But once I dig up, I realized it's just theater, they all grow up in the same rich neighboorhood, went to similar school and are basicly friends outside of the visual and oral distraction that is medias.
I still go to vote everytime (mayor, regional, presidential) to cast a blank vote.
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 21 July 2015, 08:15:37
Can't tell if sarcastic...
Absolutely not sarcastic.
Bangladesh has considerably higher voter turnouts than the US.
If you want a president like Rubio, Cruz, Santorum, another Bush Jr, etc, then vote for for him. If you want somebody better, the choice is yours.
Just make a choice, whatever you do, don't remain silent.
This attitude really makes me despair over the younger generations.
Alright, I have one major beef with this mindset. If you want to tell people they should vote, great. That's awesome. I think we should all vote too.
But please, educate yourself. I cannot believe how many people vote that have no freaking clue what they're voting for, other than a name.
If you don't know what or who you're voting for, please do not vote.
But that's just my opinion. ;) Other people will tell you it's your "civic duty" to vote, regardless... :rolleyes:
Voting is a right, not a duty.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 21 July 2015, 08:31:24
If you don't know what or who you're voting for,
This goes to the heart of it.
"Who" you vote for is not nearly as important as "What" you vote for.
By promoting the attitude that "all available candidates are **** and/or hopelessly defective" (90% true) the far more important concept of voting for policies and ideals gets de-railed.
Don't vote for "X" name person - vote for whoever represents the vision for the future that you hope for.
Until a couple of decades ago, "negative campaigning" was looked down on as ineffective because it created ill feelings towards the accuser, but nowadays, raised to a far higher level, it is extremely effective by causing such disgust in decent people (and most especially the young) that they often just stay away for fear of becoming tainted just by merely participating in the process.
Post by: MajorMajor on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:02:20
Maybe "unexciting" isn't such a bad thing, though. Maybe it will calm down the bipartisan-ship.
Post by: billnye on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:15:41
all Republicans and southerners are racistQFT
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:17:01
Good thing I moved north. :rolleyes:all Republicans and southerners are racistQFT
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:20:42
all Republicans and southerners are racistQFT
Yay I'm so glad to be part of such a bigoted community.
Post by: billnye on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:21:43
Yay I'm so glad to be part of such a bigoted community.As long as we have each other we can make it through fellow southern bro :-*
Post by: trizkut on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:25:34
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:45:46
So functionally, everyone has to fit their ideals into one of two camps. Someone like me, a libertarian, gets labeled a "Republican," and by extension gets all the labels the media has attached to that party. I just want the government to leave me the **** alone. And also to remember that, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." I vote for Republican Party candidates simply because their policies more closely align with my libertarian philosophy than do those of the Democrat Party candidates. But seemingly I'm an evil redneck, elitist, bigoted racist because I choose not to vote for socialists. Go figure.
Post by: demik on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:54:24
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 21 July 2015, 11:09:51
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 21 July 2015, 16:30:40
But seemingly I'm an evil redneck, elitist, bigoted racist because I choose not to vote for socialists.
You forgot Luddite, that is the huge problem with the concept "conservative" in the modern age.
Socialism is by orders of magnitude the lesser of the evils.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 21 July 2015, 17:20:54
But seemingly I'm an evil redneck, elitist, bigoted racist because I choose not to vote for socialists.
You forgot Luddite, that is the huge problem with the concept "conservative" in the modern age.
Socialism is by orders of magnitude the lesser of the evils.
Socialism is an eventuality, When everyone receives the same quality education.. The rich will have an impossible time farming the poor..
You may say.. Hai Tp, everyone in developed countries get a pretty good education, how come we're not socialist..
The reason is, Developed countries are in the largest sense farming the Rest of the poor world through predatory lending.
That is what fundamentally maintains the income gap of the 0.01 percent.
When EVERY person of every country gets to go to skool.. There's nothing left BUT socialism.