Possible? For two keys, yes.
But seriously? There are very few people who prefer the hiking bars over scoops.
That combined with the fact that it's for one color way would make it very unpopular.
The colours will match though without aa problem.
I'm interested in seeing how this turns out. I like those bars. Scoops were an acquired thing for me and they're still not my favorite.
But I think the MOQ will probably mean that you'll be spending way more than $500. GMK doesn't really do small runs AFAIK.
I'm interested in seeing how this turns out. I like those bars. Scoops were an acquired thing for me and they're still not my favorite.
But I think the MOQ will probably mean that you'll be spending way more than $500. GMK doesn't really do small runs AFAIK.
I can push $500 myself, if it turns out to be something like $750, I would probably start a mini GB or IC to find people to pitch in $25/$50 or something - If I could find 5 people at $50, it would reduce the cost to $500 again
GMK seems to reply to all emails, very slowly, but they seem to reply, I will let you guys know how it turns out
I'm interested in seeing how this turns out. I like those bars. Scoops were an acquired thing for me and they're still not my favorite.
But I think the MOQ will probably mean that you'll be spending way more than $500. GMK doesn't really do small runs AFAIK.
I can push $500 myself, if it turns out to be something like $750, I would probably start a mini GB or IC to find people to pitch in $25/$50 or something - If I could find 5 people at $50, it would reduce the cost to $500 again
GMK seems to reply to all emails, very slowly, but they seem to reply, I will let you guys know how it turns out
Which sets do you plan on running them for?
Did you ask them for the scoop + line? Or is it the same height as the adjacent G and H keys with the bar? Sorry, it's hard to tell from the picture.
****. I was really hoping it was scoop + bar.
Did you ask them for the scoop + line? Or is it the same height as the adjacent G and H keys with the bar? Sorry, it's hard to tell from the picture.
I admire your dedication here. I don't think I've ever even considered spending $500+ for two keycaps. :O
It's certainly possible to do this, but you'll be left with an awful lot of these in the end. It may be worth starting an IC and trying to get others to buy in with you.
I'd take a few off your hands, my fingers like bumps/bars/dots/nubs way better than scoops.
Full Disclosure: Typed on GMK Dolch with scoops.
One idea I had that might make it a bit more feasible is if you paired it up with some GMK keys that everyone else wants
You could design a colour pack for another set or for Dolch, maybe some new Esc keys or blank windowed R1s?
Everyone likes novelty GMKs! :D
One idea I had that might make it a bit more feasible is if you paired it up with some GMK keys that everyone else wants
You could design a colour pack for another set or for Dolch, maybe some new Esc keys or blank windowed R1s?
Everyone likes novelty GMKs! :D
:D :D
Sounds like you want to piggyback some of the keys you've been wanting :)
Joke aside, It's only feasible for me as I'm able to keep the costs relatively low with 2 keys, each new key likely adds 250euros (I now fully understand why my each IC/GB suggestion is denied :)
I don't have the energy or time to run a proper GB
On the other hand, I'm very tempted, but thanks to GB runners, GB resellers, Originative, Elite Keyboards, GMK traders, GB second-hand sellers, there is not too much need for GMK special keys, SP is supposed to be the agile keycap manufacturer, with no MOQ and stuff, yet there are more GMK special keys out there (thankfully)
I was hoping that the pricing was more scalable with GMK.... seems like aren't :(
I was hoping that the pricing was more scalable with GMK.... seems like aren't :(
Pricing should be scalable, but I don't know how scalable, no one replies quote emails with a "complete pricing logic/method" - you generally have to pull every little piece of information out (mostly my experience with SP)
Even if it's scalable, I don't think it would scale much with a couple of special keys, it could even scale upwards, as those special keys will likely have different colors (pure speculation, but logical)
I think I got used to the scoops like most of the GMK users by the way :-X
I might even become anti-bump at one point :)
Joke aside, it's hard to make changes like these, some recent GMK sets like Miami, Sky Dolch are also rolling with bump-only alphas, I think every GMK set should include both the bumps and scoops, since I kind of committed to getting used to the scoops now, I don't like the idea of not being able to use these sets that only launch with bumps (use them in combination with other existing keys, use them on keyboards that I intend to rotate/use) - it's too much of a change/hit for the muscle memories
My contact at GMK seems to be on a 2 week vacation now, even if I contact someone else, it will likely take months for them to be produced, comparatively getting used to scoops was faster, otherwise paying 250 euros is simpler than overriding muscle memories
I also used the scoops of the Hack's by Geeks set before giving it to my brother, scoops look pretty good on that set
On the other hand, If I had the option with GMK's, I would probably use flats myself, as I don't utilise home-row typing and don't need homing in general, but not obsessing over minor stuff like a curvature is what I decided to do, in time I'm sure the brain will get fully used to the scoops and they will become native as the bumps did over the years (I don't recall ever paying attention to the bumps for example)
There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.
GMK mockups have been showing up with no-scoops + line/bump for the past few months now. It is an error, and not representative of the keyset.
There has currently been zero sets from GMK that has been produced with scoops + line.
Just wanted to clear this up :)
Not to impose, but if you can do different colors without upping the price, I (and seemingly a few others) would love to get our hands on some in classic beige. That's a lot of caps to get rid of for just one color scheme, if the bar is as unpopular as it seems.
This is some commitment to perfect your keyboard, but relatively it's not all that crazy if you think about it... you're getting hundreds of caps, where an artisan cap collecter might only get two :D
Sorry if it seems a trollish answer but Im serious.
Couldn't you somehow add your homing bar on an existing scooped caps?
So how many are you buying?
Finally sealed the deal with GMK, yey :)
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It's pretty sad that the need for alternative homing keys are ignored by almost every GMK GB, there are a lot of extras, but no alternative homing keys, I take it as an insult personally
It's pretty sad that the need for alternative homing keys are ignored by almost every GMK GB, there are a lot of extras, but no alternative homing keys, I take it as an insult personally
I'm not sure if this is the right attitude to have with GBs
A GB is a balancing act between affordable prices and optimum joining numbers
It's pretty sad that the need for alternative homing keys are ignored by almost every GMK GB, there are a lot of extras, but no alternative homing keys, I take it as an insult personally
I'm not sure if this is the right attitude to have with GBs
A GB is a balancing act between affordable prices and optimum joining numbers
Let's say there are 100 possible extras, and only 20 is affordable, in most GB's, even aesthetical extras take priority over bumped homing keys, bumped F/J's aren't even included in the Extras packs
If you inspect these GB's, runners are always scoop users themselves, the needs of non-scoop users are always ignored, it's easy to ignore the needs of others when one's own needs are satisfied
Anyway, I got enough GMK's to last a lifetime, so it's not my problem anymore :)
Finally sealed the deal with GMK, yey :)Awesome! +1 for picking up a few sets later. :)
Wow that hasn't been my experience with ICs whatsoever
Wow that hasn't been my experience with ICs whatsoever
I agree..it isn't quite that...but they're not really looking for a lot of recommendations either..unless they agree with them.
The Scoops/Nibs thread was something like what..38-40% pro nibs....So if you drop that to 30% as representative of the population as a whole...which even includes those people that have never tried scoops so they can't possibly prefer them..but lets just say conservatively, 30%...
30% is higher than the % of the people in a GB with the funky layouts..like 1800...even 75%....and yet those preferences are preferred over adding TWO..just TWO keys...Which is less than either of those layouts add ons..Basically, if the GB Runner doesn't want it, it won't happen..that's fine...I can accept that..but don't act like you're going with what people a good chunk of people are asking for..and of all things it is FEEL which is probably the most important aspect of keycaps...
Khaannn,
Since you've already dealt with GMK...why don't you start your own GB? Maybe see if someone wants to design it with you and get one going....I think the only issues is there have been a flood of them lately...
Are you suggesting to add FJbars to extras sets, or making them their own set within a GB?
Hey everyone,
First of all, apologies.
I intended to make these: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73910.msg1860342#msg1860342 keycaps available 4 months ago, but things have not been very good lately, I feel like I let many people down by delaying this much, for what it's worth, I haven't used the F/J's myself yet, but I've been using the alpha coloured tab, it's a beauty :)
I finally shipped 100X of each to Sheraton/Originative, so hopefully they will be easily and affordably available in 2-3 weeks tops
Once/if they are available from Originative, going to try and pm everyone who showed interest, pm'ed or wanted to be informed
Finally pursuing my last build too:
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(Exact layout: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/e981a31e8654ca60b7c8 - realized I used the old layout for the screenshots :) The arrows have standard 60% spots in the linked layout, the gaps are nice to have too, after using 1.25 arrows for a year, the fingers relax)
Tho the alpha coloured tab should look better in full size / regular 60%'s
Looking forward to the bars.
Also, is that a project you're working on for yourself or do you intend to release it to the public?
Hi everyone,
The keycaps are finally on Originative, sorry for the delays (both from my side and later on Originative :)
I'm going to try and inform everyone who needed these keycaps as much as I did, already sent some PM's, if I miss anyone, again, apologies
For what it's worth, I still haven't used the F/J's myself, got so used to the original Ivan Cyan's :)
This is my last iteration, probably tested 100's of different combinations up to now, but just can't start building the thing, once you have a satisfying keyboard, building a new one becomes extremely challenging, the sanding of parts, the modifying of switches, the calibration of stabs, it seems like an impossible task now
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What are the original Ivan Cyans?
What are the original Ivan Cyans?
These:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/products/Dolch_Addon.JPG?v=1417083743)( https://zealpc.net/collections/keycap-sets/products/dolch )
Got my sets from Originative today! Using some bumped F's and J's right now!
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I just use a little bit of Elmer's glue to make a small bump on the front of the cap. Do it right and you can't tell the difference between that and bars, tbh.
Sent for mine F and J Dolch keys today.
I look forward to putting them where they are meant to go.
Thanks so much!
It seems all the GMK F/J's out there are scooped with the exception of Ivan's Color pack: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/products/Dolch_Addon.JPG?v=1417083743 - which kind of beats the purpose with the marginal colors (at least for me)
I don't know whether I will get used to the scoops over time, I will certainly try, however in the meantime I will rather look for solutions (I hate scoops and find bumps tolerable, scoops make the keys feel clumsy)
I sent an email to GMK to buy bumped F/J's at MOQ - I don't know whether:
i) Is it possible?
ii) Will the cost be feasible? (I guess <$500 would be acceptable)
iii) How long will it take?
iv) Will the colors match the existing colors (I mean, when matched with existing keys, will it be possible to differentiate them, since they were molded on different batches - I'm guessing 99% they will match the existing keycaps, as I can't differentiate keycaps from different batches on room lighting conditions)
If I succeed in this quest, I plan to sell or give away the additional F/J's to those in need
You know what's funny is I was thinking the exact same thing. I have 2 boards, a Novatouch and a Varmilo. The Varmilo has the custom keycaps that it came with, which Varmilo has a sort of Cherry/OEM hybrid profile, and then I have the Triumph Adler keycap set on the Novatouch. I really like both of them and go back and forth between the two, but the thing that I vastly prefer the Varmilo for is that it doesn't have the scoops. Just 2 small dots. Which I like a lot. They're ever so small and on the bottom of the keycap, so that I can use them and not be bothered by them but still know when my fingers hit the home keys. I was actually wondering if I'd end up getting used to the GMK keycaps or not. I wish there was an option to just get a F and J key without the scoop and bumps instead. I also want to join the Skeletor group buy but the scoops are making me wonder whether or not I should....
You know what's funny is I was thinking the exact same thing. I have 2 boards, a Novatouch and a Varmilo. The Varmilo has the custom keycaps that it came with, which Varmilo has a sort of Cherry/OEM hybrid profile, and then I have the Triumph Adler keycap set on the Novatouch. I really like both of them and go back and forth between the two, but the thing that I vastly prefer the Varmilo for is that it doesn't have the scoops. Just 2 small dots. Which I like a lot. They're ever so small and on the bottom of the keycap, so that I can use them and not be bothered by them but still know when my fingers hit the home keys. I was actually wondering if I'd end up getting used to the GMK keycaps or not. I wish there was an option to just get a F and J key without the scoop and bumps instead. I also want to join the Skeletor group buy but the scoops are making me wonder whether or not I should....
I was also in a similar situation, I had the Vortex PBT's, which have gentle bumps similar to the ones you mentioned, I tried using GMK scoops, but it didn't work out, I tried using the Vortex F/J's with GMK, it was an insult to the beauty of GMK's, it didn't work out, the only solution was to get bumped F/J's
I'm going to join the Carbon GB, it doesn't cost much, I can also use the modifiers with other alphas, however with Skeletor, alphas are a major part of the set
Also consider this, you don't have to use the keyboard, just put them on a keyboard, put the keyboard on a shelf, and occasionally enjoy looking at the keyboard without actually using it - kind of like a Lego set :)
Additionally, if you email Sheraton, you might convince him to add bumped F/J's, Originative has many recent GMK sets, but sadly, as far as I see, the idea-owners of the sets didn't include bumped F/J's - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81860.0 - this one for example - which hit me hard, as I wanted wob's for so long
What are the original Ivan Cyans?
So lucky that I've been able to jump on a gb with bars... This carbon set looked quite nice indeed. We should try to convince the group leader to add some bars.
You know what's funny is I was thinking the exact same thing. I have 2 boards, a Novatouch and a Varmilo. The Varmilo has the custom keycaps that it came with, which Varmilo has a sort of Cherry/OEM hybrid profile, and then I have the Triumph Adler keycap set on the Novatouch. I really like both of them and go back and forth between the two, but the thing that I vastly prefer the Varmilo for is that it doesn't have the scoops. Just 2 small dots. Which I like a lot. They're ever so small and on the bottom of the keycap, so that I can use them and not be bothered by them but still know when my fingers hit the home keys. I was actually wondering if I'd end up getting used to the GMK keycaps or not. I wish there was an option to just get a F and J key without the scoop and bumps instead. I also want to join the Skeletor group buy but the scoops are making me wonder whether or not I should....
I was also in a similar situation, I had the Vortex PBT's, which have gentle bumps similar to the ones you mentioned, I tried using GMK scoops, but it didn't work out, I tried using the Vortex F/J's with GMK, it was an insult to the beauty of GMK's, it didn't work out, the only solution was to get bumped F/J's
I'm going to join the Carbon GB, it doesn't cost much, I can also use the modifiers with other alphas, however with Skeletor, alphas are a major part of the set
Also consider this, you don't have to use the keyboard, just put them on a keyboard, put the keyboard on a shelf, and occasionally enjoy looking at the keyboard without actually using it - kind of like a Lego set :)
Additionally, if you email Sheraton, you might convince him to add bumped F/J's, Originative has many recent GMK sets, but sadly, as far as I see, the idea-owners of the sets didn't include bumped F/J's - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81860.0 - this one for example - which hit me hard, as I wanted wob's for so long
FYI - the GMK Carbon GB on MassDrop just added F/J bars at the 1000 order mark which will get hit (300 orders inbound from China).