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Title: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: ATXTider on Fri, 31 July 2015, 16:46:18
Dolch meets SoWaRe?  This looks...interesting?

https://www1.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-sky-dolch?mode=guest_open
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 16:51:03
Those alphas look really hard to read in the mockup.  :-X
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: romevi on Fri, 31 July 2015, 16:53:11
Who on earth designed this?









I love it.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: fknraiden on Fri, 31 July 2015, 16:54:47
Very cool.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: demik on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:05:15
Dolch meets soware? So.. Soware?

Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Blackhawk on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:06:11
Definitely looks interesting. However, I think I would have preferred if it was a straight up SoWaRe replica.

Edit: Byker to the rescue https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74077.0   ;D
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: romevi on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:06:42
Dolch meets soware? So.. Soware?

DolchWare? SoDolch?
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: demik on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:08:11
No. Soware. GMK soware.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: elton5354 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:10:13
No led caps no buy
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: epzy on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:12:25
pass
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: romevi on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:12:33
No. Soware. GMK soware.
I was just trying to come up with something catchy. Obviously not going to catch on.

It's Soware through and through
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Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:18:31
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Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:19:39
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Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:22:27
That's some real ****ing abstract key/legend selection they have there. Absolutely disgusting.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:27:43
That's some real ****ing abstract key/legend selection they have there. Absolutely disgusting.
Agreed, where's the IC?!
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Jokrik on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:32:11
I don't get this...
Why ruin a perfect Dolch design and mix it...
If it's soware I would surely get it though font would be hard to read....
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:33:48
 >:D
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Lastpilot on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:52:03
I'm getting in just for those mods. I'll probably replace alphas with the GMK Cyan feng set that will eventually exist.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: trizkut on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:55:14
Soware meets meh.  Not a fan.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Joey Quinn on Fri, 31 July 2015, 18:04:13
Total pass for me at this point I think dolch is getting boring. I'd buy it if it was a Soware replica.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: slip84 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 18:07:55
I would probably consider it if the legends on the mods weren't all over the road.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: ATXTider on Fri, 31 July 2015, 18:10:11
Yea, I'm staring at my dolch board and trying to visualize the legends as blue and, the mods seem like they'd be cool, but the alphas just seem like they'd be hideous.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Sed8op8 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 18:16:17
There seems to be a lot of similar designs right now either Shipping,in GB or in IC phase. I jumped on this right away but now after reading the comments from photekq and others and actually really looking at it I'm seeing some stuff I don't like. I really hope this is not the final mock up but as LastP said the set definitely has some stuff I would love to cannibalise for other sets. It has promise but seems it was birthed prematurely  :eek:

Damn knee jerk keyboard purchases....
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Lastpilot on Fri, 31 July 2015, 18:40:50
A better look at what the color of the mods will look like:

(http://i.imgur.com/8gfFlPv.jpg)
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: rpeterclark on Fri, 31 July 2015, 18:56:47
That's some real ****ing abstract key/legend selection they have there. Absolutely disgusting.

The all caps "CTRL"  legends on the 1.5 mods seem weird. Are there other issues I'm not seeing? What is so offensive?
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: SixtyLife on Fri, 31 July 2015, 19:05:39
That's some real ****ing abstract key/legend selection they have there. Absolutely disgusting.

The all caps "CTRL"  legends on the 1.5 mods seem weird. Are there other issues I'm not seeing? What is so offensive?
the fact that the 1.5 mods are R5 sucks too. doesn't match the arrows or the numpad bottom
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 31 July 2015, 19:30:50
I see some issues with this. MD really needs to step up their game or have Originative stop working with them. This is only an assumption, but they seem to have been recently working with them, and if Originative is helping out it might explain why it looks so ****y
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: clacktalk on Fri, 31 July 2015, 19:47:46
this **** set is a culmination of collaboration between md and the keyboard community.

wait, can someone link me the ic, or any news about this set before it was run by md?
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: ATXTider on Fri, 31 July 2015, 20:31:35
I see some issues with this. MD really needs to step up their game or have Originative stop working with them. This is only an assumption, but they seem to have been recently working with them, and if Originative is helping out it might explain why it looks so ****y

I too wonder if sheraton/sherryton had a hand in this
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: rpeterclark on Fri, 31 July 2015, 20:57:53
I see some issues with this. MD really needs to step up their game or have Originative stop working with them. This is only an assumption, but they seem to have been recently working with them, and if Originative is helping out it might explain why it looks so ****y

I too wonder if sheraton/sherryton had a hand in this

Apparently thus guy: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3fbykj/buying_gmk_sky_dolch_massdrop/ctnccnl

I'm having a hard time seeing what is so bad about the set. I agree the profile of the 1.5 mods is a little strange. Personally, I've had enough Dolch that I'm not really that attracted to the color scheme. But, I'm not really understanding the angry vibe. Is it just cause it's Massdrop and there wasn't an IC?
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: byker on Fri, 31 July 2015, 21:07:30
Well for the past few weeks I have been talking to Christoph about getting a SoWaRe replica set or a set inspired by SoWaRe at least! If people are still interested I can continue on my planning for running this group buy, otherwise I can drop it and let MD run a crappy version.  :p  Alternatively, I could run an add-on pack for this Sky Dolch set, which would have the rgby kit. Feel free to pm me one way or the other so I can get a feel of what the community would prefer.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: aznairjordan on Fri, 31 July 2015, 21:53:07
Well for the past few weeks I have been talking to Christoph about getting a SoWaRe replica set or a set inspired by SoWaRe at least! If people are still interested I can continue on my planning for running this group buy, otherwise I can drop it and let MD run a crappy version.  :p  Alternatively, I could run an add-on pack for this Sky Dolch set, which would have the rgby kit. Feel free to pm me one way or the other so I can get a feel of what the community would prefer.

would love a genuine soware replica :thumb:
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 31 July 2015, 22:02:59
Well for the past few weeks I have been talking to Christoph about getting a SoWaRe replica set or a set inspired by SoWaRe at least! If people are still interested I can continue on my planning for running this group buy, otherwise I can drop it and let MD run a crappy version.  :p  Alternatively, I could run an add-on pack for this Sky Dolch set, which would have the rgby kit. Feel free to pm me one way or the other so I can get a feel of what the community would prefer.

Please make your set byker. Please.
Title: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 31 July 2015, 22:43:24
The extra modifiers are definitely not well thought out. I don't know why people insist on having partial-R5 layouts and/or partial R4 layouts with GMK sets. These are $120 keysets, it's tough to justify a "kinda fits". Penny wise, pound foolish.

And byker, run the real SoWaRe for GMK.

Honestly I don't think a GMK set without GH hype will get to MOQ in 16 days. If MD were smart they'd start marketing these big MOQ drops (like the alps caps) on the forums prior to dropping.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Fri, 31 July 2015, 22:59:34
Well for the past few weeks I have been talking to Christoph about getting a SoWaRe replica set or a set inspired by SoWaRe at least! If people are still interested I can continue on my planning for running this group buy, otherwise I can drop it and let MD run a crappy version.  :p  Alternatively, I could run an add-on pack for this Sky Dolch set, which would have the rgby kit. Feel free to pm me one way or the other so I can get a feel of what the community would prefer.
MD set is trash.  Do everyone a favor, and throw up that IC to get the HYPE flowing.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 31 July 2015, 22:59:53
R5 mixed with R4 is awful, I have tried it. I have also tried R5 and I am not a big fan of it
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: monotagary on Fri, 31 July 2015, 23:11:32
Well for the past few weeks I have been talking to Christoph about getting a SoWaRe replica set or a set inspired by SoWaRe at least! If people are still interested I can continue on my planning for running this group buy, otherwise I can drop it and let MD run a crappy version.  :p  Alternatively, I could run an add-on pack for this Sky Dolch set, which would have the rgby kit. Feel free to pm me one way or the other so I can get a feel of what the community would prefer.

Screw the MD set. I'd much rather see a faithful SoWaRe replica by you! Get that IC going.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: filphil on Fri, 31 July 2015, 23:28:23
Well for the past few weeks I have been talking to Christoph about getting a SoWaRe replica set or a set inspired by SoWaRe at least! If people are still interested I can continue on my planning for running this group buy, otherwise I can drop it and let MD run a crappy version.  :p  Alternatively, I could run an add-on pack for this Sky Dolch set, which would have the rgby kit. Feel free to pm me one way or the other so I can get a feel of what the community would prefer.

YOU RUN YOUR SOWARE. 
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: byker on Sat, 01 August 2015, 00:03:39
Anyone who has expressed interest in a GH-run GMK Soware, please check out this thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74077.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74077.0) I am sorry for filling up this thread with a different group buy!
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: radio_killah on Sat, 01 August 2015, 00:34:59
Anyone who has expressed interest in a GH-run GMK Soware, please check out this thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74077.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74077.0) I am sorry for filling up this thread with a different group buy!

This was never posted here on the GB board so don't worry  :thumb:
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: luckyryan333 on Sat, 01 August 2015, 04:44:13
Well for the past few weeks I have been talking to Christoph about getting a SoWaRe replica set or a set inspired by SoWaRe at least! If people are still interested I can continue on my planning for running this group buy, otherwise I can drop it and let MD run a crappy version.  :p  Alternatively, I could run an add-on pack for this Sky Dolch set, which would have the rgby kit. Feel free to pm me one way or the other so I can get a feel of what the community would prefer.

Pretty interested!
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: uJalled on Sat, 01 August 2015, 09:26:08
Anyone who has expressed interest in a GH-run GMK Soware, please check out this thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74077.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74077.0) I am sorry for filling up this thread with a different group buy!

beige alphas 100x better
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 01 August 2015, 09:36:23
Not only are colors off but mod keys as well are an odd choice to say the least.

Bunny has shown us with Hyperfuse what the perfect set looks like with support for 75%, HHKB and 1800

I really hope this drop doesn't succeed but I'm thinking it will. Would much prefer a genuine SoWaRe replica to this
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 01 August 2015, 09:43:19
+ I get the feeling that this is being run now with the hope that people start posting photos of Hyperfuse - whose modifier key/legend colour combo is the same as the alphas in this
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 01 August 2015, 11:14:12
Maybe if no one participates in this, it will give a hint to MD that they should communicate more with the community
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: billnye on Sat, 01 August 2015, 11:18:15
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Join this gb instead: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74077.0
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: romevi on Sat, 01 August 2015, 12:14:51
boycott
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Join this gb instead: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74077.0
Nice 4channing there.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 01 August 2015, 12:18:38
boycott
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Join this gb instead: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74077.0


Well, I was thinking "why not both?" but now skolch (that's it's real name even if I'm the only one calling it that) sounds much better.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Data on Sat, 01 August 2015, 13:36:12
Wow, the circlejerk happening in here is ****ing disgusting.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: romevi on Sat, 01 August 2015, 13:41:20
I am noticing how much hate Sky Dolch is getting here, and I don't understand why. Is it because it's a "big" company like Massdrop?
I personally like Sky Dolch and probably will get GMK Dolch here too.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Data on Sat, 01 August 2015, 13:42:25
I am noticing how much hate Sky Dolch is getting here, and I don't understand why. Is it because it's a "big" company like Massdrop?
I personally like Sky Dolch and probably will get GMK Dolch here too.

It's because a GMK set didn't originate on GeekHack, so GeekHack has to take a giant **** on it to feel good about themselves.  What the actual ****?
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: epzy on Sat, 01 August 2015, 14:03:37
I am noticing how much hate Sky Dolch is getting here, and I don't understand why. Is it because it's a "big" company like Massdrop?
I personally like Sky Dolch and probably will get GMK Dolch here too.

It's because a GMK set didn't originate on GeekHack, so GeekHack has to take a giant **** on it to feel good about themselves.  What the actual ****?

U MAD DOGGIE

sky dolch is straight buns
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: clacktalk on Sat, 01 August 2015, 14:07:08

I am noticing how much hate Sky Dolch is getting here, and I don't understand why. Is it because it's a "big" company like Massdrop?
I personally like Sky Dolch and probably will get GMK Dolch here too.

It's because a GMK set didn't originate on GeekHack, so GeekHack has to take a giant **** on it to feel good about themselves.  What the actual ****?

U MAD DOGGIE

sky dolch is straight buns

word up
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: billnye on Sat, 01 August 2015, 14:12:00
I am noticing how much hate Sky Dolch is getting here, and I don't understand why. Is it because it's a "big" company like Massdrop?
I personally like Sky Dolch and probably will get GMK Dolch here too.

It's because a GMK set didn't originate on GeekHack, so GeekHack has to take a giant **** on it to feel good about themselves.  What the actual ****?
Sounds like you really know what you're talking about :thumb:
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: jbondeson on Sat, 01 August 2015, 14:18:10
Jesus tapdancing christ people.

These threads went to ****ing **** fast. The hyperbole on both sides is insanity. Everyone needs to calm the hell down, we're talking about colors on goddamn keycaps.

Chill da fuk out.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: byker on Sat, 01 August 2015, 14:20:18
I don't think anyone needs to get mad. I am sorry if you feel like I was circlejerking or whatever, but I have been planning a Soware set for a while, and have talked to multiple members here about it. My intention is not to put down this keyset, if you want it, by all means buy it. I just wanted to let people know my intention of running a similar set sometime in the future. I will stop talking about other sets in here now.  :-X
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: demik on Sat, 01 August 2015, 15:01:51
I am noticing how much hate Sky Dolch is getting here, and I don't understand why. Is it because it's a "big" company like Massdrop?
I personally like Sky Dolch and probably will get GMK Dolch here too.

It's because a GMK set didn't originate on GeekHack, so GeekHack has to take a giant **** on it to feel good about themselves.  What the actual ****?


So over dramatic lmao

So a couple people don't like it and now it's all of GH.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 01 August 2015, 15:03:16
Sky Dolch looks like ****. And mixed profiles again? Ugh.
Title: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: jbondeson on Sat, 01 August 2015, 15:17:12
[...] And mixed profiles again? Ugh.

Yeah, that's my problem too.

Right now it always seems like GMK sets try to support everything, but also try to keep key counts down, leading to sets like this.

I wonder if there would be enough interest in a "Modern GMK"* set that concentrates on newer 40/45/60/65% layouts. Jettison 1800 support, R5, and hell maybe even all the ten keys.

* Maybe "Trendy GMK" would be the better moniker -- but that would also be terribly redundant  :)
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: demik on Sat, 01 August 2015, 15:26:36
All these rehashed color ways are so ****ing boring now
Dolch
Soware
Skidata
Retro

Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Karura on Sat, 01 August 2015, 18:02:56
I think this Sky Dolch set has nice colours, but whoever designed the set has absolutely no experience with GMK.

Instead of picking interesting legends and keys to add as extras, such as a delete symbol for the HHKB backspace, the guy picked a weird CTRL in caps legend for the 1.5 keys, which looks good on a vintage keyset like TA but completely horrible on a modern set like this.

This just tells me that the guy running this has absolutely no design integrity, or any understanding of what the community prefers, and straight up ripped off the TA mockup for the layout.

I still like the colours and everything, but this might be difficult to support.

Edit: Not to mention, mixed profiles. He really just 100% ripped off TA.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 01 August 2015, 19:55:46
Massdrop are pretty awful at communicating with the community. I think after the GMK TA drop they have just started seeing GMK sets as some massive cash cow that can be used without IC or consultations (note: Intelli did a lot of consultation and that's why TA worked so well IMO)
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: shawn o on Sat, 01 August 2015, 19:56:14
pass
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 01 August 2015, 20:03:17
The colors are meh. Has nothing to do with MD or not.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 01 August 2015, 20:27:56
7Bit's Round 4 "Retro" style was almost like this one, but with lighter alphas. That set was not particularly well received, mostly because the light legends on light alphas were hard to read.

There are some pictures of it at the bottom of its Wiki article (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round4_Retro).
Title: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 01 August 2015, 21:17:09
All these rehashed color ways are so ****ing boring now
Dolch
Soware
Skidata
Retro
FWIW Skidata has only been done once before by Originative, and they ****ed that up pretty badly. Retro has only been ran twice, but so has Miami, and Hyperfuse has been run 3 times, and Olivetti / CB have been done a good bit as well. RA color ways regardless of Mods / Alphas colors has been run a lot as well. Things are obviously run a lot. Dolch is run too much, but Soware itself has only been run once as well. Soware is WYSE base colors, while skolch is sky blue Dolch.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: demik on Sat, 01 August 2015, 21:26:49
All these rehashed color ways are so ****ing boring now
Dolch
Soware
Skidata
Retro
FWIW Skidata has only been done once before by Originative, and they ****ed that up pretty badly. Retro has only been ran twice, but so has Miami, and Hyperfuse has been run 3 times, and Olivetti / CB have been done a good bit as well. RA color ways regardless of Mods / Alphas colors has been run a lot as well. Things are obviously run a lot. Dolch is run too much, but Soware itself has only been run once as well. Soware is WYSE base colors, while skolch is sky blue Dolch.
I'm not against the idea of gmk soware. I'm just bored of everything being a version of dolch.

I'd love to see tj's orange crush set be made. But people would rather run the same GB every other month. Isn't there an IC for a Russian set also?

Red alert is another that needs to be given up on. Three SP sets and one GMK set. We have some talented people here, I don't see the need to keep going back to the same things over and over. Plus I hate dolch.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 01 August 2015, 21:28:50

All these rehashed color ways are so ****ing boring now
Dolch
Soware
Skidata
Retro
FWIW Skidata has only been done once before by Originative, and they ****ed that up pretty badly. Retro has only been ran twice, but so has Miami, and Hyperfuse has been run 3 times, and Olivetti / CB have been done a good bit as well. RA color ways regardless of Mods / Alphas colors has been run a lot as well. Things are obviously run a lot. Dolch is run too much, but Soware itself has only been run once as well. Soware is WYSE base colors, while skolch is sky blue Dolch.
I'm not against the idea of gmk soware. I'm just bored of everything being a version of dolch.

I'd love to see tj's orange crush set be made. But people would rather run the same GB every other month. Isn't there an IC for a Russian set also?

Red alert is another that needs to be given up on. Three SP sets and one GMK set. We have some talented people here, I don't see the need to keep going back to the same things over and over. Plus I hate dolch.
I agree, Dolch-style colorways have been overplayed, even though it is one of my favorite sets. Orange crush will be a really nice set, as there seem to be no more new sets being made and only re-done versions done. Originality seems to be lacking, but I am glad some things are being done in Cherry profile as I personally can't stand DCS caps.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: demik on Sat, 01 August 2015, 21:33:02
Eh, I really don't care for profiles. Just as long as it isn't god awful SA.

Cherry is fine, dcs is fine. Only reason I'd pick gmk over sp is for the thicker key caps. If I'm going to pay $$ I'd want my money's worth.

I'd just really love a nice Orange on light grey set. Bunny's purple set was a breath of fresh air tbh. I'm sad I missed out on that.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 01 August 2015, 21:47:51
iirc massdrop favors reddit users HEAVILY over GH users

this set is weak at best, i'm not sure who's idea this was, but it's not good

we need some new colorways, but nobody wants to run them because they're worried about them not selling

people will still buy DCS if the colorway is good, and if it's like $40, that's enticing to a lot more people, especially the reddit audience

no more dolch

no more "retro"

no more SA

white/purple would be hot
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:06:07
I'd love to see tj's orange crush set be made.

I would, as well.

Isn't there an IC for a Russian set also?

Run by Pacifist. You can judge for yourself on that one, but I wouldn't go anywhere near it. Why won't that idiot **** off to reddit or somewhere already, and leave us alone?
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: demik on Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:11:29
I ask myself that of many users. Sadly I'm not in charge of who stays and who goes. TIL pac is back.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:28:31
yeah pac is back for what seems like the 20th time

and i still think he's a knob
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:41:16
Well the knob-ends keep coming back because of the siren call of money and people just keep throwing it at them.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:54:23

Eh, I really don't care for profiles. Just as long as it isn't god awful SA.

Cherry is fine, dcs is fine. Only reason I'd pick gmk over sp is for the thicker key caps. If I'm going to pay $$ I'd want my money's worth.

yes sir. I've tried them all, and the only ones I just can't deal with are SA and DSA.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: radio_killah on Sun, 02 August 2015, 10:49:00
iirc massdrop favors reddit users HEAVILY over GH users

this set is weak at best, i'm not sure who's idea this was, but it's not good

we need some new colorways, but nobody wants to run them because they're worried about them not selling

people will still buy DCS if the colorway is good, and if it's like $40, that's enticing to a lot more people, especially the reddit audience

no more dolch

no more "retro"

no more SA

white/purple would be hot

Massdrop loves reddit, they are "enthusiasts" with a larger group of users who will blindly follow hype. They don't care about geekhack and the real enthusiasts. Definitely a cash cow for them.. Especially with the popularity of GMK this year.. Massdrop is taking this niche hobby and exploiting it for all it is worth.. Nothing on massdrop is ever worth buying anymore in their mechanical keyboard section.

Also bunnylake and Jtkeycaps just did a white on purple set which is supposed to be in cherry profile. Not GMK but still a new colorway for the community.

I'd love to see tj's orange crush set be made.

I would, as well.

Isn't there an IC for a Russian set also?

Run by Pacifist. You can judge for yourself on that one, but I wouldn't go anywhere near it. Why won't that idiot **** off to reddit or somewhere already, and leave us alone?

If you actually go back and check that thread, MGH/Pacifist actually just quit again lol. He is quitting just as more and more people are finding out he is back.

The cyrillic GMK dye sub set is still set to happen though in tandem with Potek's beige.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: absyrd on Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:08:52
Can people come up with some ****ing original names for their keysets or are we just going to call everything Dolch? The original wasn't even that great.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:16:09
Wow, the circlejerk happening in here is ****ing disgusting.
Maybe it's not a circlejerk. Maybe people just don't like the set because it's a badly thought out set.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: digi on Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:28:06
THIS LOOKS LIKE **** AND THE GB DIDN'T START ON GH SO I H8 IT!

SHOULD CHANGE THE NAME TO POO DOLCH BECAUSE IT REMINDS ME OF POOP ON DOLCH.

How did I do?
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Sifo on Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:46:26
THIS LOOKS LIKE ****

You could have stopped there
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: digi on Sun, 02 August 2015, 12:10:57
 :))
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 02 August 2015, 12:46:02
It can be pretty hard to judge from GMK mock ups, as their colors are always way off... it could look OK, but the cyan on light grey would likely have some contrast issue. The legends are a bit here and there also. Not really my cup of tea either way.

Coming up with original colorways that people actually will get behind enough to make it to MOQ with GMK ain't easy. People like rehash as they can see what it actually looks like on some existing vintage board or prior run.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Nai_Calus on Mon, 03 August 2015, 06:41:07
It can be pretty hard to judge from GMK mock ups, as their colors are always way off... it could look OK, but the cyan on light grey would likely have some contrast issue. The legends are a bit here and there also. Not really my cup of tea either way.

Coming up with original colorways that people actually will get behind enough to make it to MOQ with GMK ain't easy. People like rehash as they can see what it actually looks like on some existing vintage board or prior run.

Yeah. I mean I think a set with UN6037 alphas and UN4056 mods, with opposite color legends, would look pretty cool, but 1. Too close to reversed hyperfuse 2. It's basically purple Miami 3. Too much risk of two midtones being illegible like Miami is to me 4. Who the hell else would even use something like that, and I'm not sure *I* even would, I just think it would look cool. :P

This is... I dunno, I don't hate it, but it does nothing at all for me.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: whentheclouds on Mon, 03 August 2015, 07:24:24
Wow, the circlejerk happening in here is ****ing disgusting.
i suppose people are angry because GMK sets, as per tradition, have mostly been collaborative endeavors. now you have an outsider commercial entity (with almost non-existent community presence) trying to join the fray and it certainly feels like toes are being stepped on

that and the set is just awful
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 03 August 2015, 08:21:12
Wow, the circlejerk happening in here is ****ing disgusting.
i suppose people are angry because GMK sets, as per tradition, have mostly been collaborative endeavors. now you have an outsider commercial entity (with almost non-existent community presence) trying to join the fray and it certainly feels like toes are being stepped on

that and the set is just awful

Sums it up perfectly imo
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: osi on Mon, 03 August 2015, 09:02:44
No thanks
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Special K on Mon, 03 August 2015, 11:46:47
I'm noticing that in the mock up picture, the F and J keys have nubs.  Every other GMK set I've seen uses the scooped F and J keys.  Is scooped vs. nubs a choice that GMK normally offers?
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: ATXTider on Mon, 03 August 2015, 11:52:36
I'm noticing that in the mock up picture, the F and J keys have nubs.  Every other GMK set I've seen uses the scooped F and J keys.  Is scooped vs. nubs a choice that GMK normally offers?

I think so.  The Miami Nights renders had bars too, IIRC
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 03 August 2015, 19:48:01
I'm noticing that in the mock up picture, the F and J keys have nubs.  Every other GMK set I've seen uses the scooped F and J keys.  Is scooped vs. nubs a choice that GMK normally offers?

yep

I believe that they also offer a scoops with nibs option as well
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 07 August 2015, 04:34:40
This is very misleading by the way: https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-9903_20150730224207_ad5d467e4667e0fa.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1

That alpha actually looks tolerable, however, it's not CC, that photo gives the impression that the base is actually white
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 07 August 2015, 20:46:53
Doesn't look like old Sky Dolch is doing that well. I wonder if it will hit MOQ
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Jokrik on Fri, 07 August 2015, 22:05:23
Doesn't look like old Sky Dolch is doing that well. I wonder if it will hit MOQ

I'm quite sure it will drop but not at the lowest price
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 07 August 2015, 22:34:22

Doesn't look like old Sky Dolch is doing that well. I wonder if it will hit MOQ

I'm quite sure it will drop but not at the lowest point

It needs to get at least 250 orders to happen
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 08 August 2015, 06:11:59
I'm 99% sure it will launch whether it hits MOQ or not

I'm not sure whether I should join tho, apart from the contrast issues, it has all the keys that I want, a 1.25 "Ctrl" and it would be just perfect
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: ATXTider on Sat, 08 August 2015, 09:48:32
Yeah I wonder if Sherryton/Sheraton is teaming up with MD for this.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Parod on Sat, 08 August 2015, 22:57:12
The colors chosen for this set are fine and are actually a pretty good combo, but they botched their usage of them. I think something like light grey alphas, darker-blue mods, and dark grey ledgends would look better.

It sucks b/c I'm newish to this and sorta want a GMK set. Maybe I'll wait for the SNES GB :/
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: E3E on Sat, 08 August 2015, 23:43:04
I can certainly agree that I find rehashes of OG sets somewhat lame and yet can understand their appeal at the same time. It fills in gaps that OG boards had when paired with modern layouts, whether unavailable altogether or a rare variant that would be cost prohibitive for most to acquire. I also think that all the hate on this Dol-WaRe set is a little ridiculous. People are going to buy it anyway. It almost seems like it's a bureaucratic thing where, because it did not go through the normal process chain of IC  -> approval -> GB, it's getting torn to shreds. 

Also, considering mock-ups, I must say that Triumph Adler looked no where near as nice in mock up as it does in pictures post-delivery. I'm sure this set will look fine and dandy, though I will confer that there was a bit of a faux pas in not getting community feedback for this set, and that has left us with mismatched profiles and certain design quirks, but overall, I still think it's a nice set.

This community is funky. I love it, but it's funky.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Karura on Sun, 09 August 2015, 00:02:02
After seeing how TA was handled, I'd be skeptical to join this GB.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: turboloser on Sun, 09 August 2015, 01:51:16
I am just not feeling the color of the legends...
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 09 August 2015, 08:59:06
Sky Dolch looks like ****. And mixed profiles again? Ugh.

I don't think it looks that bad. But the difference between a set like Sky Dolch and a set that is community designed is all in the details. I feel like if someone here posted this set in a proper [IC] people would definitely jump behind it, though the feedback would help clean up a lot of the small issues and details. The details really are what make a set worth the premium price, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: billnye on Sun, 09 August 2015, 09:21:38
No scoops no join
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 09 August 2015, 09:27:26
Apart from the questionable colors, I think it appeals extremely well to the non-GMK users, mainly because of the lined F/J's - which is pretty much used by all other/regular keysets

The Extra keycap selections are pretty good too, but cyan as legends ... that's bad - if they lightened the CC alpha base to another color (a white one), I think it could have been good (as in the example photo they put in the description, which I deemed as misleading)

I'm still not sure whether I should join for a single set or not
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: bueller on Sun, 09 August 2015, 09:42:00
**** ugly. Seriously, all these damned GMK drops and still no-one has done a proper Red Alert set. And no that beige monstrosity with red legends doesn't count, I mean like below dammit! Bonus points if it gets made with red mods.

(http://i.imgur.com/55tO0Dv.jpg)
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 09 August 2015, 21:16:00
did i mention that i think this set looks dumb?

because i think this set looks dumb

it's an ugly SoWaRe/dolch monstrosity.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 09 August 2015, 21:17:13
How many variations of the Dolch colours do we really need?
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 09 August 2015, 21:18:15
How many variations of the Dolch colours do we really need?

two

dolch

yolch

maybe red too but blue was not a wise choice imo
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: bueller on Sun, 09 August 2015, 21:48:18
How many variations of the Dolch colours do we really need?

two

dolch

yolch

maybe red too but blue was not a wise choice imo

Yolch is the only real answer to this question.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 10 August 2015, 19:32:22

How many variations of the Dolch colours do we really need?

two

dolch

yolch

maybe red too but blue was not a wise choice imo

Yolch is the only real answer to this question.

So blue would be blolch?
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Joey Quinn on Mon, 10 August 2015, 19:58:11

How many variations of the Dolch colours do we really need?

two

dolch

yolch

maybe red too but blue was not a wise choice imo

Yolch is the only real answer to this question.

So blue would be blolch?

#DolchPink
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 10 August 2015, 20:12:08
white on magenta modifiers would be awesome for Dolch, same goes for the 3B for an army-like vibe
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 10 August 2015, 20:13:29
white on magenta modifiers would be awesome for Dolch, same goes for the 3B for an army-like vibe

I pushed and pushed for 3B.  Sadly, everyone failed to realize how awesome it would be, especially with classic beige.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: bueller on Mon, 10 August 2015, 20:14:04
white on magenta modifiers would be awesome for Dolch, same goes for the 3B for an army-like vibe

I pushed and pushed for 3B.  Sadly, everyone failed to realize how awesome it would be, especially with classic beige.

AE TILL I DIE! :P
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 10 August 2015, 20:16:03
white on magenta modifiers would be awesome for Dolch, same goes for the 3B for an army-like vibe

I pushed and pushed for 3B.  Sadly, everyone failed to realize how awesome it would be, especially with classic beige.

AE TILL I DIE! :P

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/31164-Brian-vomit-gif-1ZSg.gif)
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 10 August 2015, 21:17:20
white on magenta modifiers would be awesome for Dolch, same goes for the 3B for an army-like vibe

I pushed and pushed for 3B.  Sadly, everyone failed to realize how awesome it would be, especially with classic beige.

Well, you have +1 supporters now :)

I hope billinye's next TKL pack is 3B

AE is awesome at first, I think it's the optimal affirmative-green color too, however after some usage it kind of gets boring/overwhelming
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: mattbox on Mon, 10 August 2015, 22:00:25
man, ya'll got to realize most people don't own a million GB sets and want the Dolch/Retro set people rave about.

That said, I don't like this. The contrast hurts my eyes makes it hard to read, but idk, maybe it's just the GMK mockup
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: bueller on Mon, 10 August 2015, 22:03:51
man, ya'll got to realize most people don't own a million GB sets and want the Dolch/Retro set people rave about.

So buy a Dolch set? They're have been four runs of them made now, they really aren't that hard to find anymore.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: jerue on Tue, 11 August 2015, 09:27:03
man, ya'll got to realize most people don't own a million GB sets and want the Dolch/Retro set people rave about.

Geekhackers are far from "most people".

That said, I don't like this. The contrast hurts my eyes makes it hard to read, but idk, maybe it's just the GMK mockup

GMK sets (most keycap sets, really) almost always look better in person.
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: StormyMonday on Sun, 06 September 2015, 01:43:51
Anyone who has expressed interest in a GH-run GMK Soware, please check out this thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74077.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74077.0) I am sorry for filling up this thread with a different group buy!

beige alphas 100x better

+1
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 09 September 2015, 04:57:43
After seeing Skidata+'s base color, N9, I'm regretting not getting Sky Dolch, they would mix at extreme levels
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 09 September 2015, 05:02:56
After seeing Skidata+'s base color, N9, I'm regretting not getting Sky Dolch, they would mix at extreme levels

I thought the Drop failed and the set doesn't get made.

Or will Massdrop do it anyway?
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 09 September 2015, 05:06:39
After seeing Skidata+'s base color, N9, I'm regretting not getting Sky Dolch, they would mix at extreme levels

I thought the Drop failed and the set doesn't get made.

Or will Massdrop do it anyway?

I have a hunch the 250-#massdrop sets will be available from Originative, so I guess I shouldn't regret it, 100 times better than getting it from Massdrop

I checked the Massdrop update, they placed the order as it seems
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 09 September 2015, 09:50:05
After seeing Skidata+'s base color, N9, I'm regretting not getting Sky Dolch, they would mix at extreme levels

I thought the Drop failed and the set doesn't get made.

Or will Massdrop do it anyway?

I have a hunch the 250-#massdrop sets will be available from Originative, so I guess I shouldn't regret it, 100 times better than getting it from Massdrop

I checked the Massdrop update, they placed the order as it seems

Yeah I was surprised by this as well

I'm not sure what Sherryton is up to at the moment given that he seems to be using MD to offload some of his older stock. Maybe he is providing the capital upfront for making GMK buys happen?
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 09 September 2015, 23:21:14
He seems to cover costs and recover them later on from sales

GB's are risk free, but ideally, it's better this way, paying for something and waiting for 2-4 months isn't too fun, it especially amplifies the heartbreak in case of a problem
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: Rasavatam on Sat, 12 September 2015, 17:42:20
So I totally missed this buy. I like this set a lot because it's pretty similar to the color pack that came with Ivan's GMK dolch. If anyone is interested in selling their spot in this buy, let me know!
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 12 September 2015, 17:55:15
So I totally missed this buy. I like this set a lot because it's pretty similar to the color pack that came with Ivan's GMK dolch. If anyone is interested in selling their spot in this buy, let me know!

Just wait for the extras to be directly available, 90% they should be, don't complicate your life by adopting a second-hand unknown

I'll probably get a set myself, to potentially mix with the Skidata+
Title: Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
Post by: pmck on Tue, 23 August 2016, 08:58:49
Don't suppose anyone who bought this GB wants to sell me their set?