I haven't seen a good flame-fest in awhile, so I'm going to see if this stirs the ol' sh*t-pot
My take: I am happy for Obama that he won it, but I am upset at the committee for awarding it to him. I don't really think he has done enough (or anything) to win it at least in the same light as MLK, Nelson Mandela or Jimmy Carter.
i think he more than deserved it. If the committee's decision seems extraordinary, it only reflects the extraordinary times we live in, the extraordinary 8 years that preceded obama (in the US and around the world), and the extraordinary change (in every single sense, including in the sense of a complete shift in geopolitical strategy) that obama ushered in within 1 year.
i think he more than deserved it...
...the extraordinary change (in every single sense, including in the sense of a complete shift in geopolitical strategy) that obama ushered in within 1 year.
So in other words, he won because he's not Bush.You aren't the only one to say that (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/US-President-Barack-Obama-Awarded-Nobel-Peace-Prize-For-2009/Article/200910215402703?lpos=World_News_News_Your_Way_Region_8&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15402703_US_President_Barack_Obama_Awarded_Nobel_Peace_Prize_For_2009).
Sky's foreign affairs editor, Tim Marshall, said: "There will be people who will say this is a marvellous, inspired award.
"But next year let's give it to Miss World. Every year Miss World comes on and says 'I want world peace and the world free of nuclear weapons'. It's a hope, an aspiration.
"The deadline for nominations for the peace prize was February 1, so someone nominated the President of America for his achievements 11 days into his presidency.
"This is a Nobel Peace Prize for not being George Bush. And I think it has been devalued."
So in other words, he won because he's not Bush.
Yeah, but the thing is you see, the deadline for prize nominations was 11 days after Obama was elected. What did he do in those 11 days to earn a Nobel Prize?
what does that mean? He won because he turned bush's approach around in less than a year. What is the significance of that? You cant answer that question unless you understand the significance/repurcussions of the bush approach that was in motion for 8 years.
In washington dc, a town reknowned for its inertia, turning that ship around - internationally as well as domestically - even just turning it around and facing the right direction - was a phenomenal achievement. That he did that in less than a year is even more phenomenal.
And what has Obama done, besides further deficiting the budget?
It certainly is impressive, but I just don't think it's Nobel-worthy.
once again itln, I think you've done it ;D
thats a separate question. You're asking "why was he nominated", not "why did he win".
the question here is why did he win.
My question is, "what did he do to impact peace?"
I think it's the first time it's awarded to a corporate fascist warlord, hooray for that. I especially like the policy of hunting down opponents in their oil wars. Just bomb the whole building you suspect one might be in or near. Women, children, who cares. YES WE CAN!
It is not a separate question. He was nominated for specific achievements, ones he had supposedly made at the time. Was he later judged on the value of completely different achievements he had later on? Clearly he was.
That's a bit like sitting an exam then not being judged on what you'd written during the exam, but on a thesis you'd written in the following six months.
Politics!
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Your thoughts? I haven't seen a good flame-fest in awhile, so I'm going to see if this stirs the ol' sh*t-pot.
My take: I am happy for Obama that he won it, but I am upset at the committee for awarding it to him. I don't really think he has done enough (or anything) to win it at least in the same light as MLK, Nelson Mandela or Jimmy Carter.
its a separate question because the question in this thread is why did he win, not why was he nominated.
According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded to the person who:
“ during the preceding year [...] shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses
Apparently he's more deserving than Morgan Tsvangirai...
Obama is the best thing to happen to the USA since the creation of the USA itself.
At least, from the perspective of someone in any country except for the US.
For some reason a lot of Americans have a problem with him fixing what the republicans broke.
So what did Obama do in the year preceeding February 1st 2009 to earn the prize?
Following that logic I nominate Rod Stewart for next year's award:
I nominate Sweden for the stupidest country.
I'm just glad the nobel committee doesnt think like you do.
BTW, FDR was very good for the US, as well
Yes, because respecting Nobel's wishes would be an awful thing to do, wouldn't it?
I'm sure Texas has lots of smart people. They mostly work at Metadot.
Alfred Nobel was the inventor of that great peacekeeping device: Dynamite.
What has Obama excactly fixed? He has talked a lot and has plenty of plans, but he really hasn't fixed much.
I don't really call wanting a health-care system that will put the national budget further in the red "fixing". I don't call spending billions to bail out financial companies which encouraged predatory lending, which eventually led to their troubles, "fixing". Obama supports the people like Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.), who helped create laws to encourage predatory lending. He is also closing the Guantanamo Bay prison and plans to incarcerate terrorists on our mainland. That doesn't fix anything.
I wouldn't say that Bush was perfect either. I did not support his such as passing of massive spending bills ("bailouts") in the late part of his presidency. I also disagree with some of his decisions with foreign policy involving Iran.
People called Bush's spending policies "runaway spending". If that was running away, what are Obama's spending policies?
Nowadays, people are becoming dissatisfied with their government for a good reason. Obama was pressing for the health care bill to be passed by Congress' August recess. It wasn't. Now look what people have found in that 1000 page monster I'm sure only few congressmen have voted for. Did Obama read it before endorsing it? No. Did at least 5% of the left-wing members of the houses read it? No. That's something I don't think is right. How would you feel about that if the people you pay to represent you do that too? They do.
Now, a movement is starting up. Many people are upset by the government's runaway spending and corruption. People are writing to their congressmen. People are proteting in Washington. Now there's some change to believe in.
It is always important to not confuse peoples' political agendas with the people they really are. George Bush and Barack Obama two very good people. However, I do not agree with the Nobel Committee's decision on awarding Obama with the Nobel Peace Prize when there are numerous others who have put their lives at risk and worked much harder to create peace.
Webwit- did you mean "a corporate fascist warlord- PUPPET ?"
...bizarre legalism that you've suddenly decided is the acid-test for the prize.
§ 7.
...Each year the prize adjudication shall embrace such nominations as have been submitted during the preceding twelve months up to February 1.
§ 8.
Nominations should be explained and accompanied by the publications and other documents cited in support of them.
They broke their own rules to give Obama the prize.
Please don't explode, but 9-11 was "the powers that be" at work.
Imagine a president who, after less than a year in office, has to be compared to gandhi and mlk for someone to make an argument about 'deficiency'. It says a lot.
I don't think Al Gore should have won the Peace Prize.
Yes, it says that you DO need to be compared to the likes of Gandhi and MLK to be considered for the Nobel Peace Prize. You think that's unreasonable???
I haven't mentioned my politics (which you seem to have made assumptions about) because they aren't relevant to the point I'm discussing.
Judge: What do you have to say for yourself?
Murderer: But what about OJ?
Fail, welly.
When you watch the twin towers fall, do you not see controlled demolitions at work? I do and I am firmly convinced of that. I have looked into it a good bit and the evidence, as well as my own observations, convince me. I'm just a laid-back guy from South Carolina- I'm not running around trying to overthrow the government nor am I involved in any kooky clans/cults/militias. That's just the way I see things.
When you watch the twin towers fall, do you not see controlled demolitions at work?
You must think Unicomp is going to ship a Model M Mini style Tenkeyless soon.
A real whack job would believe that a new keyboard with the the HHKB footprint, using Model F technology (buckling springs over capacitive contacts) will be made in the USA, someday in the future. :)
As a matter of fact, I firmly belive that to be true.
I just find it hard to get excited about a Model M mini made by Unicomp.
A real whack job would believe that a new keyboard with the the HHKB footprint, using Model F technology (buckling springs over capacitive contacts) will be made in the USA, someday in the future. :)
Have you listened to the testimony of William Rodriguez, the janitor with the master-key who rescued many people from the North Tower? He reports explosions in the basement before the first plane hit...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x20eg2_william-rodriguez-un-heros-du-11-se_news (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x20eg2_william-rodriguez-un-heros-du-11-se_news)
Logitech will make a G19 with buckling springs.
and manage not to screw it up.
wait... are you talking about me? :'(
wait... are you talking about me? :'(
hallelujah, I believe!
...but thats going too far!
Have you listened to the testimony of William Rodriguez, the janitor with the master-key who rescued many people from the North Tower? He reports explosions in the basement before the first plane hit...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x20eg2_william-rodriguez-un-heros-du-11-se_news (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x20eg2_william-rodriguez-un-heros-du-11-se_news)
For that matter, Al Gore's award -- what did environmental activism have to do with a 'peace' award?
Tell me more about my failures, ignorant red neck. LOL.
Anyway, you shouldn't insult Webwit for english language skills unless you can match his half a dozen (or whatever) languages.
Tell me more about my failures, ignorant red neck. LOL.
Do people really care who gets Nobel Peace Prizes?
Irrelevant. Obviously I only used this word because I noted its effect in an earlier discussion. And again it's taken personally. You guys are not paying attention, this is too easy.
Probably too few. They should jazz it up. Have weekly eliminations and have the gormless masses phone in at premium rates to vote people off, X Factor style. Think how much money they'd make.
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is the OP ROFL-ing? xD
Itln doesnt get enough credit for his pot-stirring talents ;D
I wouldnt want to play against intl in a RPG. He's like one of those guys who can start a melee and slip out and wait till its done before he comes back in to pick over our carcasses for ammo and gold xD
Dually noted (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=7414).
Maybe I should start wearing a bulletproof one for the Great Texas Secessionary War of 2010. Somehow, I don't think the rest of the US would fight too hard to keep us.
That looks like a pretty cool book. I am going to see if there's an audio version, so I can listen at work.
I don't read, I'm post-literate.