Post by: bocahgundul on Sun, 23 August 2015, 07:44:01
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 23 August 2015, 07:46:19
Post by: Jokrik on Sun, 23 August 2015, 08:22:11
High demand, less supply thus price goes up....
Post by: bocahgundul on Sun, 23 August 2015, 08:45:43
It's a simple rule of demand and supplyand how can i get my hands on one of this CC ? is it like gambling when the sale start?
High demand, less supply thus price goes up....
Post by: absyrd on Sun, 23 August 2015, 08:48:38
https://geekhack.org/index.php?board=78.0
A couple times a year elitekeyboards.com has raffles for CHANCE to buy (usually july 4th and halloween).
You can watch ebay and the classifieds.
And you can ***** and whine here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45955.0
Post by: baldgye on Sun, 23 August 2015, 08:50:59
You can win via sales in clickclack's threads (once he gets better). Tons of info from the source here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?board=78.0
A couple times a year elitekeyboards.com has raffles for CHANCE to buy (usually july 4th and halloween).
You can watch ebay and the classifieds.
And you can ***** and whine here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45955.0
wasn't the last sale on EK like two years ago or something?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 23 August 2015, 08:55:00
You can win via sales in clickclack's threads (once he gets better). Tons of info from the source here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?board=78.0
A couple times a year elitekeyboards.com has raffles for CHANCE to buy (usually july 4th and halloween).
You can watch ebay and the classifieds.
And you can ***** and whine here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45955.0
wasn't the last sale on EK like two years ago or something?
Nope, there was one in Oct 2014. :)
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Sun, 23 August 2015, 10:05:02
Post by: sth on Sun, 23 August 2015, 10:08:52
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Sun, 23 August 2015, 10:10:43
people with money ruin everythingQFT
Post by: madhias on Sun, 23 August 2015, 14:26:28
You can win via sales in clickclack's threads (once he gets better). Tons of info from the source here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?board=78.0
A couple times a year elitekeyboards.com has raffles for CHANCE to buy (usually july 4th and halloween).
You can watch ebay and the classifieds.
And you can ***** and whine here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45955.0
wasn't the last sale on EK like two years ago or something?
Nope, there was one in Oct 2014. :)
Yes, and I will forever remember it because of getting there my Nghtowl MKII :)
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 23 August 2015, 15:51:53
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 23 August 2015, 16:26:34
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 23 August 2015, 16:46:40
CC himself hates premium top prices but a lot of moderators and users pride themselves on selling at high outrageous prices..it's messed up
Huh. Please elaborate for us.
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sun, 23 August 2015, 16:47:50
Like right now I'm selling my 3d topre clack at about market price but only because I accepted it in a trade at about market value. Being an economist I believe a lot in the demand and supply of things and this is one of those times that demand heavily influences the price.
I'd love it for clacks and bros and whatnot to be readily available but the big reason they're so popular and expensive is because they're done by hand. It's unrealistic to expect them to be available readily to any buyer unless they were mass produced and that would just reduce the artistic value greatly
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 23 August 2015, 16:53:31
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 23 August 2015, 17:53:04
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 24 August 2015, 03:01:26
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 24 August 2015, 03:12:57
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39794.0
Post by: KeypressGraphics on Mon, 24 August 2015, 04:20:23
Case in point:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/02/07/384519464/gauguin-painting-reportedly-fetches-record-300-million
Post by: nukec on Mon, 24 August 2015, 04:51:16
Post by: demik on Mon, 24 August 2015, 12:41:06
they are uber pro, like lamborghini and ferrari versus fiat panda.Don't choke now
Post by: CaplockJack on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:07:23
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 26 August 2015, 05:41:08
Anyways, think of clacks and artisans keycaps in the same way that some women ogle over purses and shoes. It's the just the keyboard geek version of shoes.
Post by: sth on Wed, 26 August 2015, 12:04:33
Is there a sticky for this?
Anyways, think of clacks and artisans keycaps in the same way that some women ogle over purses and shoes. It's the just the keyboard geek version of shoes.
there are some keyboard geeks here for whom shoes are still the keyboard geek version of shoes... male too!
paging cptbadass
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 27 August 2015, 08:21:13
Some would say that they're like PBT to ABS, but I reckon if it's GMK ABS or SP's SA ABS it's better than OEM PBT, so YMMV.
IANAL, but IMHO K3C's are just wrong.
Post by: Lurch on Thu, 27 August 2015, 08:33:02
Everything you want to know is out there just go read it.
people with money ruin everything
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CetNOji.png)
Post by: nukec on Fri, 28 August 2015, 11:21:12
they are uber pro, like lamborghini and ferrari versus fiat panda.Don't choke now
demik pls
Post by: BrewCaps on Sun, 30 August 2015, 07:47:35
CC himself hates premium top prices but a lot of moderators and users pride themselves on selling at high outrageous prices..it's messed up
Sell to me at Walmart prices!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 30 August 2015, 08:00:53
CC himself hates premium top prices but a lot of moderators and users pride themselves on selling at high outrageous prices..it's messed up
Sell to me at Walmart prices!
That's the funny bit - dubsgalore is one of the people that sells at outrageous prices. :))
Post by: BrewCaps on Sun, 30 August 2015, 17:22:02
Post by: jaffers on Thu, 03 September 2015, 04:59:39
THEY ARE NOT WORTH MUCH! SELL ONE TO ME NOW!
kek
Is there a sticky for this?
Anyways, think of clacks and artisans keycaps in the same way that some women ogle over purses and shoes. It's the just the keyboard geek version of shoes.
This is exactly it. Some people will pay thousands for fountain pens. Some people will pay hundreds for small bits of plastic. Niche market and one of the kind stuff
Post by: Durvid on Thu, 03 September 2015, 10:13:18
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 03 September 2015, 10:14:49
Is there a sticky for this?
Anyways, think of clacks and artisans keycaps in the same way that some women ogle over purses and shoes. It's the just the keyboard geek version of shoes.
there are some keyboard geeks here for whom shoes are still the keyboard geek version of shoes... male too!
paging cptbadass
Hey man, swagger doesn't stop with keyboards. Gotta stunt in clothes AND on the desktop.
Post by: Binge on Thu, 03 September 2015, 12:54:53
Is there a sticky for this?
Anyways, think of clacks and artisans keycaps in the same way that some women ogle over purses and shoes. It's the just the keyboard geek version of shoes.
there are some keyboard geeks here for whom shoes are still the keyboard geek version of shoes... male too!
paging cptbadass
Hey man, swagger doesn't stop with keyboards. Gotta stunt in clothes AND on the desktop.
also plumage,
(http://i.imgur.com/djyR18w.jpg)
Post by: bocahgundul on Fri, 04 September 2015, 05:06:56
Post by: btctopre on Fri, 04 September 2015, 07:26:31
apply 2 clacks
Post by: keshley on Fri, 04 September 2015, 07:28:09
A lot of the artisan keycap pricing reminds me of beanie babies. It just doesn't make any sense. People go crazy over something that's rare, even if it is made out of 10 cents of material.</logic mode>
Having said that, the heart wants what the heart wants, and some of the artisan keycaps are really cool looking. $150 cool? Well, that just depends on the person. But I'm a firm believer in making something yours, and if that means putting a Bro in place of Escape, or a CC in place of Numlock, then more power to you.
For others, just changing the keyset to a different color is enough, and that's cool too. I think its human nature to want something a little bit unique.
Post by: btctopre on Fri, 04 September 2015, 09:51:48
I will say, that as someone whose grandmother was addicted to the Beanie Baby fad, I recommend that anyone that involves themselves in collecting any sort of non-necessity (ie. artisans), stop yourself and reflect on your situation. Ask yourself why you do it, think about what sacrifices you have made/will make to build your collection, and figure out what your long-term goal with it is/if you'll still appreciate it should your situation change. In general, it's certainly not "wrong" to be a collector of something, but it is very easy to get caught up in hobbies like this that have grown social and persuade yourself into spending time/money on it that you realistically shouldn't be for the "wrong" reasons.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 04 September 2015, 10:53:43
I will say, that as someone whose grandmother was addicted to the Beanie Baby fad, I recommend that anyone that involves themselves in collecting any sort of non-necessity (ie. artisans), stop yourself and reflect on your situation. Ask yourself why you do it, think about what sacrifices you have made/will make to build your collection, and figure out what your long-term goal with it is/if you'll still appreciate it should your situation change. In general, it's certainly not "wrong" to be a collector of something, but it is very easy to get caught up in hobbies like this that have grown social and persuade yourself into spending time/money on it that you realistically shouldn't be for the "wrong" reasons.
This is some really good advice, not just for artisan caps.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 September 2015, 11:01:08
I will say, that as someone whose grandmother was addicted to the Beanie Baby fad, I recommend that anyone that involves themselves in collecting any sort of non-necessity (ie. artisans), stop yourself and reflect on your situation. Ask yourself why you do it, think about what sacrifices you have made/will make to build your collection, and figure out what your long-term goal with it is/if you'll still appreciate it should your situation change. In general, it's certainly not "wrong" to be a collector of something, but it is very easy to get caught up in hobbies like this that have grown social and persuade yourself into spending time/money on it that you realistically shouldn't be for the "wrong" reasons.
This is some really good advice, not just for artisan caps.
+1
As a person with a natural "collecting" impulse, this is something I've been trying to be more mindful of recently. It basically requires constant reminding of myself though - it's not easy! :))
Post by: bueller on Fri, 04 September 2015, 11:11:21
I will say, that as someone whose grandmother was addicted to the Beanie Baby fad, I recommend that anyone that involves themselves in collecting any sort of non-necessity (ie. artisans), stop yourself and reflect on your situation. Ask yourself why you do it, think about what sacrifices you have made/will make to build your collection, and figure out what your long-term goal with it is/if you'll still appreciate it should your situation change. In general, it's certainly not "wrong" to be a collector of something, but it is very easy to get caught up in hobbies like this that have grown social and persuade yourself into spending time/money on it that you realistically shouldn't be for the "wrong" reasons.
This is some really good advice, not just for artisan caps.
It really is. This hobby has been much more enjoyable since I've offloaded a bunch of stuff and just focused on a couple of things I really enjoy. After a while I realised I was spending way too much time constantly checking heaps of GB's and spending heaps of money because I was scared of missing out on something that I'd be able to pick up later via the second hand market. I'm down to two keyboards, four Cherry sets, couple of Brobots and a six Clacks and I don't really want for much else. This is down from five keyboards, seven cherry sets and about fifteen artisans.
Post by: btctopre on Fri, 04 September 2015, 13:58:50
Fortunately in most cases, collecting is pretty harmless, so it affords all of us with that natural impulse the time to understand/cultivate our own motives for collecting certain things (at which point rational thought can overtake impulse and most of us will "taper off" the habit). It's definitely a struggle though (I know I almost started to walk down the path of building a $500+ HHKB JP yesterday), but I've found writing out all of your priorities/objectives and reviewing them regularly really slows things down and helps you maintain control. And I'm hoping in time, for me, that methodical approach will become conditioned enough that it overtakes my innate inclination to own a bunch of **** I won't use/appreciate.MoreI will say, that as someone whose grandmother was addicted to the Beanie Baby fad, I recommend that anyone that involves themselves in collecting any sort of non-necessity (ie. artisans), stop yourself and reflect on your situation. Ask yourself why you do it, think about what sacrifices you have made/will make to build your collection, and figure out what your long-term goal with it is/if you'll still appreciate it should your situation change. In general, it's certainly not "wrong" to be a collector of something, but it is very easy to get caught up in hobbies like this that have grown social and persuade yourself into spending time/money on it that you realistically shouldn't be for the "wrong" reasons.
This is some really good advice, not just for artisan caps.
+1
As a person with a natural "collecting" impulse, this is something I've been trying to be more mindful of recently. It basically requires constant reminding of myself though - it's not easy! :))
Discretionary income can be a dangerous thing, yo. YOU GOTTA TAME THE BEAST BEFORE YOU LET IT OUT OF ITS CAGE!
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 04 September 2015, 14:03:53
Post by: saturnotaku on Fri, 04 September 2015, 14:09:13
I will say, that as someone whose grandmother was addicted to the Beanie Baby fad, I recommend that anyone that involves themselves in collecting any sort of non-necessity (ie. artisans), stop yourself and reflect on your situation. Ask yourself why you do it, think about what sacrifices you have made/will make to build your collection, and figure out what your long-term goal with it is/if you'll still appreciate it should your situation change. In general, it's certainly not "wrong" to be a collector of something, but it is very easy to get caught up in hobbies like this that have grown social and persuade yourself into spending time/money on it that you realistically shouldn't be for the "wrong" reasons.
I wish this forum had a "like" system in place because I would do that about a million times for this post. I bought a CC a while back. It was cool to look at for a few weeks, but I realized that it just wasn't my thing and sold it (at a considerable loss) to someone who would appreciate it more. I'd rather spend that money trying entire boards or cap sets than on just individual keys. They're just not for me.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 04 September 2015, 20:26:52
Mo money mo problemsThis is so true. I remember how care free we were when we were just starting out. Didn't have anything, didn't care.
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 04 September 2015, 21:49:42
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 04 September 2015, 22:21:18
Post by: raymogi on Fri, 04 September 2015, 22:29:01
I've realized my error the moment I was willing to drop $200 for a CC skull a year ago. Since then, I've pulled a hard handbrake and told myself that I will only go for retail price and through trade. While the FOMO beast is still wild within me, I'm able to contain it much more and I've found peace just enjoying other people photos and admiring what I have on hands. And I count my blessing that I was able to start a meager collection much earlier in the game. At the prices these days, it is only a game for the rich or crazy ones.
I was that exact person a month ago. I would drop ****load of cash on Bros or Clacks on a daily basis. While I did buy some at outrageous price (and still might do on some particular pieces that I really like), I'm taking it slow now. I think that's the other aspect of this hobby too, to enjoy what you have and take it slow.
I actually saved pictures of other people's collection, and those nicely taken picture of the single cap that I really like on the keyboard.
Post by: demik on Sat, 05 September 2015, 01:10:48
because even the most self righteous have a price.
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Sat, 05 September 2015, 01:11:42
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 05 September 2015, 01:12:19
Post by: beehatch on Sat, 05 September 2015, 01:15:08
He said half? That's a relief
He's just being nice. He meant most users.
Post by: demik on Sat, 05 September 2015, 01:15:23
He said half? That's a relief
He's just being nice. He meant most users.
^
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 05 September 2015, 01:16:47
He called us shady ****s. Rude!He said half? That's a relief
He's just being nice. He meant most users.
Post by: demik on Sat, 05 September 2015, 01:17:04
He called us shady ****s. Rude!He said half? That's a relief
He's just being nice. He meant most users.
only if it applies to you ;)
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 05 September 2015, 01:17:42
Wait!
Damn!
Post by: bueller on Sat, 05 September 2015, 02:35:38
He called us shady ****s. Rude!He said half? That's a relief
He's just being nice. He meant most users.
Thank you for your input.
Post by: Fire Brand on Sat, 05 September 2015, 04:05:32
what you need to know about artisan caps is half the users are shady ****s that complain about high prices then go to PMs and sell at high prices. don't believe anybody that says "oh i'd never sell this"Have you been reading my post too I have said this quite a few times it annoys me to no end especially when they try to be a blooming angels afterwards :I
because even the most self righteous have a price.
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 05 September 2015, 04:18:09
I will say, that as someone whose grandmother was addicted to the Beanie Baby fad, I recommend that anyone that involves themselves in collecting any sort of non-necessity (ie. artisans), stop yourself and reflect on your situation. Ask yourself why you do it, think about what sacrifices you have made/will make to build your collection, and figure out what your long-term goal with it is/if you'll still appreciate it should your situation change. In general, it's certainly not "wrong" to be a collector of something, but it is very easy to get caught up in hobbies like this that have grown social and persuade yourself into spending time/money on it that you realistically shouldn't be for the "wrong" reasons.
This is some really good advice, not just for artisan caps.
+1
As a person with a natural "collecting" impulse, this is something I've been trying to be more mindful of recently. It basically requires constant reminding of myself though - it's not easy! :))
Yeah that's the reason I refuse myself to own more than 2 keyboards at the same time. I have owned 4 so far but I have only one remaining atm. The last thing that is bit hard to temper is the keysets. Too many beautiful ones. Well indeed I reasoned myself about the GMK classic and grabbed a Gateron blank beige/light grey. End result $40 instead of 160-170€.
I've realized my error the moment I was willing to drop $200 for a CC skull a year ago. Since then, I've pulled a hard handbrake and told myself that I will only go for retail price and through trade. While the FOMO beast is still wild within me, I'm able to contain it much more and I've found peace just enjoying other people photos and admiring what I have on hands. And I count my blessing that I was able to start a meager collection much earlier in the game. At the prices these days, it is only a game for the rich or crazy ones.
I don't understand how people would pay 1k for keys even 500. They are beautiful for sure but guys that's only a cap!
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 05 September 2015, 15:41:04
what you need to know about artisan caps is half the users are shady ****s that complain about high prices then go to PMs and sell at high prices. don't believe anybody that says "oh i'd never sell this"Have you been reading my post too I have said this quite a few times it annoys me to no end especially when they try to be a blooming angels afterwards :I
because even the most self righteous have a price.
Eh, there's some people like this, but if I ever sell a cap for more than retail or more than what I remember retail being, I fully expect and want to be called out for it since I firmly believe the market is ****ed and want no part in that.
Post by: Fire Brand on Sat, 05 September 2015, 15:54:13
Mhh not you anyway, I wouldn't want to say who it is but they got a lot LOT for it as far as I know and cashed out on that just annoys me :X don't worry if you did nubs I would tell you :pwhat you need to know about artisan caps is half the users are shady ****s that complain about high prices then go to PMs and sell at high prices. don't believe anybody that says "oh i'd never sell this"Have you been reading my post too I have said this quite a few times it annoys me to no end especially when they try to be a blooming angels afterwards :I
because even the most self righteous have a price.
Eh, there's some people like this, but if I ever sell a cap for more than retail or more than what I remember retail being, I fully expect and want to be called out for it since I firmly believe the market is ****ed and want no part in that.
Post by: fernandoap14 on Sat, 05 September 2015, 16:25:08
Post by: bcredbottle on Sat, 05 September 2015, 16:31:26
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 05 September 2015, 16:40:11
Can someone explain what is morally objectionable about selling at above retail? We're not talking about gouging water or gasoline prices after a hurricane.
For me it's the fact that many people buy them just to flip them for a profit. That's highly objectionable to me because it's people exploiting a market and creating a bubble. It's like the people who bought and flipped Tickle Me Elmo dolls. It's just being an *******.
This behavior is also exploitative of the artisan. The artisan is deliberately trying to keep their good affordable and available to a larger group of people, but when people buy and flip for 3-10x what they paid for it, it's taking money out of the artisan's pocket since they could charge those prices but chose not to in order to maintain affordability.
I also take issue because it prices many people out of the market and causes other problems. Many of the counterfeits have come around because people felt disenfranchised or saw the bubble and figured that they could make a buck from it.
In the end, yes, it boils down to people making the choice to pay those prices. I wish people would smarten up and refuse to be gouged. It gets harder when you have people who deliberately inflate the market, who promote obscene prices, and people who bash people when try and maintain reasonable prices.
Post by: Fire Brand on Sat, 05 September 2015, 16:43:20
gouging water or gasoline prices after a hurricane.That is because artisans are our water and gas, but mainly I'm annoyed that people who say they won't do it quite often behind closed doors, otherwise I myself don't understand the argument that the artist does not get anything as its kinda like used video games the company does not get anything that made it but thats just me :X I feel like the market should in all right decide the price but they shouldn't be as high as they are now as its quite silly.
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 05 September 2015, 16:45:41
I myself don't understand the argument that the artist does not get anything as its kinda like used video games the company does not get anything that made it but thats just me
Video game companies do not create a high demand item with low supply at an affordable price and then have people immediately flip it for massive profit.
Post by: Fire Brand on Sat, 05 September 2015, 16:53:12
Nintendo AmiibosI myself don't understand the argument that the artist does not get anything as its kinda like used video games the company does not get anything that made it but thats just me
Video game companies do not create a high demand item with low supply at an affordable price and then have people immediately flip it for massive profit.
Nintendo 3DS limited editions
This has been happening for years they do indeed also I would like to point out GK (garage kits) for figures mainly which are only sold via festivals such as wonfes and once sold out never remade, these are often sold for HUGE markups and are made by single sculptors, I just find that argument weak is all, as it happens in everything nothing on you nubs I think your lovely just the argument is kind of weak
Heck even GK get sold to company that remould them and sell those on as legitimate kits and the moulding on those are terrible!
Edit: and just for a little context one what I mean heres a video which is quite a nice watch as well :)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 05 September 2015, 21:16:18
That said for any system to work, no matter what it is, there has to be a sense of morality and helping out your fellow man and not exploiting the system for your own gain. That's what I feel the gougers do: they exploit the (willing) buyers for their own ends. And then the counterfeiters exploit the artisan for their own means.
And I also, like others state, freaking hate when people say one thing and do something totally different.
I guess what I'm saying is that there's a difference in what people can do and what people ought to do.
Post by: bcredbottle on Sun, 06 September 2015, 08:28:49
Can someone explain what is morally objectionable about selling at above retail? We're not talking about gouging water or gasoline prices after a hurricane.
For me it's the fact that many people buy them just to flip them for a profit. That's highly objectionable to me because it's people exploiting a market and creating a bubble. It's like the people who bought and flipped Tickle Me Elmo dolls. It's just being an *******.
This behavior is also exploitative of the artisan. The artisan is deliberately trying to keep their good affordable and available to a larger group of people, but when people buy and flip for 3-10x what they paid for it, it's taking money out of the artisan's pocket since they could charge those prices but chose not to in order to maintain affordability.
I also take issue because it prices many people out of the market and causes other problems. Many of the counterfeits have come around because people felt disenfranchised or saw the bubble and figured that they could make a buck from it.
In the end, yes, it boils down to people making the choice to pay those prices. I wish people would smarten up and refuse to be gouged. It gets harder when you have people who deliberately inflate the market, who promote obscene prices, and people who bash people when try and maintain reasonable prices.
That makes a ton of sense. While the artisans' goals are enviable, it seems unworkable in practice. Maybe they could reach the same goal by charging more at retail and using the profits to do more giveaways. This should cut out a lot of the speculators...
Post by: bueller on Sun, 06 September 2015, 09:13:03
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 06 September 2015, 15:14:28
Honestly I think people get too worked up about what people do with their property around here. It's one thing to buy a Clack/BroBot knowing full well you're going to sell it for profit but some I'm sure a lot of people don't envision that when they first buy them. I'll admit I've sold a couple of caps at above retail prices due to some tough times but I've also sold them at or below retail and gifted countless other caps away. It's not always a malicious thing, sometimes life takes priority over internet points.
You have achieved balance.
The salt arises when someone deliberately enters sales with the sole intention of purchasing at retail and immediately reselling at many times retail price.