Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 24 August 2015, 12:39:00
Post by: digi on Mon, 24 August 2015, 12:47:00
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 24 August 2015, 13:11:37
But I don't really care about anyones sexuality, I only judge people on them as a person. not who they like to bang or they're lifestyle choices.
I only judge demik and his wrongly flipped spacebar.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 24 August 2015, 13:12:58
I only judge demik and his wrongly flipped spacebar.The only judgement that matters
Post by: clacktalk on Mon, 24 August 2015, 13:26:07
i appreciate you making a thread for this
Post by: inanis on Mon, 24 August 2015, 13:26:38
:-*
Post by: paicrai on Mon, 24 August 2015, 13:39:43
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 24 August 2015, 13:55:45
I haven't really noticed people being hateful on tech forums. Maybe I just go to the wrong ones.
Never noticed it on OCN. In fact, I think I remember seeing people banned for it. I do know that the internet loves to call people ***got, but that's mainly people thinking they're funny and/or douchebags. The only legit place I could see it flying is the RedRaider Tech forum, but I don't think they're around anymore. I could see it in parts of Reddit too, but we would remove that content and probably ban the person in /r/buildapc.
I lump myself into the ally category like clacktalk. Of course, if you come in here with LGBTTIQQ2SA, LGBTQQIAAP, or LGBTTQQ***PBDSM, I will make fun of you for not using the equally inclusive and less absurd LBGTQ+ you used in your title.
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 24 August 2015, 13:59:38
Post by: demik on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:02:27
I find all PDA annoying though, I'll tell you that much.
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:07:40
I find all PDA annoying though, I'll tell you that much.
Then why are you and beehatch mind-sexing each other on the forum all day every day?
Post by: demik on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:09:02
I find all PDA annoying though, I'll tell you that much.
Then why are you and beehatch mind-sexing each other on the forum all day every day?
Wait those weren't PMs?
Oh.... ****...
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:16:17
Post by: demik on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:19:04
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:23:21
Show off
Wyfe was laughing for like 30 minutes in the car after asking me why I didn't **** that beautiful man in the public restroom.
Post by: R1N3 on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:27:01
I got hit on by a very handsome gay guy at Wawa the other day. It ended up with me just hugging him and thanking him for the compliment.
But were you holding onto a handle of sweet tea while hugging this dude??!
(http://i.imgur.com/IW8Fn96.jpg)
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:30:27
Show off
Wyfe was laughing for like 30 minutes in the car after asking me why I didn't **** that beautiful man in the public restroom.
Why didn't you? The wife gave permission, sounds like fair game. Not very often you get a free pass.
Post by: demik on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:32:08
Should have gone to town on that glorious chocolate star fish.Show off
Wyfe was laughing for like 30 minutes in the car after asking me why I didn't **** that beautiful man in the public restroom.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:32:47
Show off
Wyfe was laughing for like 30 minutes in the car after asking me why I didn't **** that beautiful man in the public restroom.
hrrrrrmmm.... maybe you did... and this ^^^ story is just a cover...
As absyrd's lips got close to the ears of that beautiful man, he whispered : hey baby, my marriage cover wyfe is watching, put ur details in my pockets and I'll see u later.. /squeeze
This is probably what happened..
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:49:43
yo wassup ★~(◡‿◡✿)Hello?
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:54:02
Well I must say I'm glad to see so much support from people! Hopefully this can be an ongoing thread, because I would love to connect with some other queer keyboard nerds because, as clacktalk was saying, it seems we're a bit of a minority.
We'll keep it ongoing as long as demik, nubbs, and tp4 keep trying to get me to bang a guy. I'd probably do Fight Club era Brad Pitt.
Post by: R1N3 on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:55:19
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:55:28
I'd probably do Fight Club era Brad Pitt.Ew, no thanks
Post by: inanis on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:56:33
Well I must say I'm glad to see so much support from people! Hopefully this can be an ongoing thread, because I would love to connect with some other queer keyboard nerds because, as clacktalk was saying, it seems we're a bit of a minority.
We'll keep it ongoing as long as demik, nubbs, and tp4 keep trying to get me to bang a guy. I'd probably do Fight Club era Brad Pitt.
When they succeed, I expect video evidence.
Fight Club era Brad Pitt is crazy hot. More for me then!I'd probably do Fight Club era Brad Pitt.Ew, no thanks
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:57:15
Wanting fight club era Brad over fight club era Ed.. GTFO normie
I'd probably do Fight Club era Brad Pitt.Ew, no thanks
So tell me more about yourself and likes/dislikes. Crushes? Start the thread, post some details!
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 24 August 2015, 14:58:36
When they succeed, I expect video evidence.
nubbs just got his new camera. He can do stills of it at least.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 24 August 2015, 15:01:19
I identify str8, but consider myself an ally.
i appreciate you making a thread for this
+1
I don't care what you do in your personal life and I'm not sure why anyone does.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 24 August 2015, 15:06:13
Crushes?Sue me
(https://vickster51corner.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/benedict-in-screen-magazine-04-2013-benedict-cumberbatch-33870098-1280-15491.jpg)
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 24 August 2015, 15:14:55
Crushes?Sue meShow Image(https://vickster51corner.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/benedict-in-screen-magazine-04-2013-benedict-cumberbatch-33870098-1280-15491.jpg)
Benda**** Cucumberitch?
Post by: demik on Mon, 24 August 2015, 15:37:08
Wtf.I'd probably do Fight Club era Brad Pitt.Ew, no thanks
Abs, 100% behind you [( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)] on fight club brad.
Post by: digi on Mon, 24 August 2015, 15:42:31
PM Demik, he's into dudes.
Abs, 100% behind you [( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)] on fight club brad.
Post by: paicrai on Mon, 24 August 2015, 15:58:30
whats the questionyo wassup ★~(◡‿◡✿)Hello?
Post by: 27 on Mon, 24 August 2015, 16:18:24
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 24 August 2015, 16:41:32
Not me, but the GF is bisexual, so obviously I'm supportive. People can live their lives how they want, who am I to judge?
Obvious question is obvious. DoU3some?
Post by: iri on Mon, 24 August 2015, 17:20:54
Post by: 27 on Mon, 24 August 2015, 17:38:13
Not me, but the GF is bisexual, so obviously I'm supportive. People can live their lives how they want, who am I to judge?
Obvious question is obvious. DoU3some?
I have been sworn to secrecy
u kno it
Post by: 27 on Mon, 24 August 2015, 17:45:04
Crushes?Sue meShow Image(https://vickster51corner.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/benedict-in-screen-magazine-04-2013-benedict-cumberbatch-33870098-1280-15491.jpg)
Benda**** Cucumberitch?
Beedrill gotta-catch?
Post by: paicrai on Mon, 24 August 2015, 17:55:32
LGBTBDSMRTFMdont ur gay rights movements n stuff look like this where u come from
(http://m1.i.pbase.com/v3/43/561143/2/45207861.RussianGraveyard.jpg)
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 August 2015, 21:51:48
Crushes?Sue meShow Image(https://vickster51corner.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/benedict-in-screen-magazine-04-2013-benedict-cumberbatch-33870098-1280-15491.jpg)
Benda**** Cucumberitch?
Beedrill gotta-catch?
(http://i.imgur.com/pDtNtRU.png)
Post by: 27 on Mon, 24 August 2015, 22:16:48
Crushes?Sue meShow Image(https://vickster51corner.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/benedict-in-screen-magazine-04-2013-benedict-cumberbatch-33870098-1280-15491.jpg)
Benda**** Cucumberitch?
Beedrill gotta-catch?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pDtNtRU.png)
Have fun
http://benedictcumberbatchgenerator.tumblr.com
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 24 August 2015, 22:23:01
Post by: 27 on Mon, 24 August 2015, 23:20:50
Sweet jesus
Things take very strange turns late at night.
Post by: Binge on Mon, 24 August 2015, 23:22:06
I got hit on by a very handsome gay guy at Wawa the other day. It ended up with me just hugging him and thanking him for the compliment.
But were you holding onto a handle of sweet tea while hugging this dude??!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IW8Fn96.jpg)
Wawa tea? Wanna bang? I'm easy.
Post by: demik on Mon, 24 August 2015, 23:22:40
Crushes?Sue meShow Image(https://vickster51corner.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/benedict-in-screen-magazine-04-2013-benedict-cumberbatch-33870098-1280-15491.jpg)
this guy looks like an ant
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 24 August 2015, 23:34:26
this guy looks like an antk...
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 August 2015, 23:40:53
Crushes?Sue meShow Image(https://vickster51corner.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/benedict-in-screen-magazine-04-2013-benedict-cumberbatch-33870098-1280-15491.jpg)
this guy looks like an ant
an ant ?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/P0001166_Green_Ant_Picture.JPG)
Post by: demik on Mon, 24 August 2015, 23:42:06
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 August 2015, 23:53:19
dead on
Took me a while to find this ant.. (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/cd08785a.gif)
Post by: 27 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 00:25:17
Crushes?Sue meShow Image(https://vickster51corner.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/benedict-in-screen-magazine-04-2013-benedict-cumberbatch-33870098-1280-15491.jpg)
this guy looks like an ant
an ant ?Show Image(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/P0001166_Green_Ant_Picture.JPG)
Oh hey Pallettown Cumberbund DOES look like an ant... sort of.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 25 August 2015, 00:32:34
Crushes?Sue meShow Image(https://vickster51corner.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/benedict-in-screen-magazine-04-2013-benedict-cumberbatch-33870098-1280-15491.jpg)
this guy looks like an ant
an ant ?Show Image(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/P0001166_Green_Ant_Picture.JPG)
Oh hey Pallettown Cumberbund DOES look like an ant... sort of.
Well, only "that " ant.. he didn't look like most of the other ants I found.
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 01:24:24
LGBTBDSMRTFMdont ur gay rights movements n stuff look like this where u come fromShow Image(http://m1.i.pbase.com/v3/43/561143/2/45207861.RussianGraveyard.jpg)
o dip
Post by: tbc on Tue, 25 August 2015, 01:32:39
LGBTBDSMRTFMdont ur gay rights movements n stuff look like this where u come fromShow Image(http://m1.i.pbase.com/v3/43/561143/2/45207861.RussianGraveyard.jpg)
all his movements look like that...
Post by: iri on Tue, 25 August 2015, 01:39:44
more like thisLGBTBDSMRTFMdont ur gay rights movements n stuff look like this where u come fromShow Image(http://m1.i.pbase.com/v3/43/561143/2/45207861.RussianGraveyard.jpg)
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Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 01:42:38
more like thisLGBTBDSMRTFMdont ur gay rights movements n stuff look like this where u come fromShow Image(http://m1.i.pbase.com/v3/43/561143/2/45207861.RussianGraveyard.jpg)
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wow cool
Post by: henz on Tue, 25 August 2015, 01:43:09
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 08:34:16
That's what happens when you want to be edgy and post some smart ass comment.more like thisLGBTBDSMRTFMdont ur gay rights movements n stuff look like this where u come fromShow Image(http://m1.i.pbase.com/v3/43/561143/2/45207861.RussianGraveyard.jpg)
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wow cool
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 08:52:18
That's what happens when you want to be edgy and post some smart ass comment.more like thisLGBTBDSMRTFMdont ur gay rights movements n stuff look like this where u come fromShow Image(http://m1.i.pbase.com/v3/43/561143/2/45207861.RussianGraveyard.jpg)
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wow cool
i've noticed that iri is rather edgy
if you have not, please take note
iri is edgy
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 08:56:23
I'm not talking about iriThat's what happens when you want to be edgy and post some smart ass comment.more like thisLGBTBDSMRTFMdont ur gay rights movements n stuff look like this where u come fromShow Image(http://m1.i.pbase.com/v3/43/561143/2/45207861.RussianGraveyard.jpg)
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wow cool
i've noticed that iri is rather edgy
if you have not, please take note
iri is edgy
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 08:57:27
I'm not talking about iriThat's what happens when you want to be edgy and post some smart ass comment.more like thisLGBTBDSMRTFMdont ur gay rights movements n stuff look like this where u come fromShow Image(http://m1.i.pbase.com/v3/43/561143/2/45207861.RussianGraveyard.jpg)
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wow cool
i've noticed that iri is rather edgy
if you have not, please take note
iri is edgy
you're certainly right
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:10:29
...but I don't care what people do/love whatever, though the people I have the biggest issues with tend to be straight...
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:12:34
What does the q+ stand for?
...but I don't care what people do/love whatever, though the people I have the biggest issues with tend to be straight...
i would imagine the q is queer and the + means others that may be covered under this umbrella (such as drag, other nonbinaries besides queer... there's a lot of identities out there :)) )
Post by: bazh on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:19:24
I don't get the "pride" they talk about, honestly why only they have the right to be "proud" if they want to bring equality in? You cant just write "proud to be straight" without getting in any trouble with them and being called sexist.
In other words, yes I get it, you're gay, les, or whatever it is, I just don't have the need to know about it, if you're good to me, you're good, if you're an *******, I don't care what sexuality you are you're still an ******* to me and I hate you.
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:20:02
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:23:09
I never give a **** about who a person loves, or into, or bangs,... as long as they just being (I mean, act/behave) normal like everybody else
I don't get the "pride" they talk about, honestly why only they have the right to be "proud" if they want to bring equality in? You cant just write "proud to be straight" without getting in any trouble with them and being called sexist.
In other words, yes I get it, you're gay, les, or whatever it is, I just don't have the need to know about it, if you're good to me, you're good, if you're an *******, I don't care what sexuality you are you're still an ******* to me and I hate you.
siigh
people dont get killed for being straight
theres no such thing as straight bashing
there is no reason to be proud of being straight in virtually all parts of the world because straight IS normal and straight doesn't face discrimination
lots of countries still dont allow gay people to be married
some countries still kill people for being gay
some places it's legal and there are still people who act like *******s
some families disown their children for being gay
some families beat their children for being gay
some families send their children to abusive 'therapy' camps for being gay
this is all happening right now all over the world to real people
but of course it's inconvenient for you to hear about it, that's rough , i know
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:23:45
I never give a **** about who a person loves, or into, or bangs,... as long as they just being (I mean, act/behave) normal like everybody else
I don't get the "pride" they talk about, honestly why only they have the right to be "proud" if they want to bring equality in? You cant just write "proud to be straight" without getting in any trouble with them and being called sexist.
In other words, yes I get it, you're gay, les, or whatever it is, I just don't have the need to know about it, if you're good to me, you're good, if you're an *******, I don't care what sexuality you are you're still an ******* to me and I hate you.
As society becomes more accepting, I agree with you that the 'pride' part makes less sense. But to consider that for basically forever before now it was a shameful and mocked thing to be gay etc (you could not be 'proud' of it), it makes sense to have that initial push in the acceptance direction be based on pride. Of course that's my perspective as an outsider, so what do I know. :P
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:25:08
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:30:04
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:34:54
Gay pride marches are fun though, and one of the very few marches that don't have some nasty adgenda, just asking people to be more open and accepting of others, plus all the cool rainbow **** you can buy ^-^
Just asking people to be more open by flopping their ****s everywhere.
Wait, queer and gay are different things? The world is a complicated place...
Everybody has to be a unique snowflake now
And this goes for all sexualities.
Idgaf what you like. I don't care to see that **** period. Gay, straight, or whatever new tumblr term you want to use.
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:36:08
Gay pride marches are fun though, and one of the very few marches that don't have some nasty adgenda, just asking people to be more open and accepting of others, plus all the cool rainbow **** you can buy ^-^
Just asking people to be more open by flopping their ****s everywhere.
sounds like folsom st fair
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:39:12
I never give a **** about who a person loves, or into, or bangs,... as long as they just being (I mean, act/behave) normal like everybody else
I don't get the "pride" they talk about, honestly why only they have the right to be "proud" if they want to bring equality in? You cant just write "proud to be straight" without getting in any trouble with them and being called sexist.
In other words, yes I get it, you're gay, les, or whatever it is, I just don't have the need to know about it, if you're good to me, you're good, if you're an *******, I don't care what sexuality you are you're still an ******* to me and I hate you.
siigh
people dont get killed for being straight
theres no such thing as straight bashing
there is no reason to be proud of being straight in virtually all parts of the world because straight IS normal and straight doesn't face discrimination
lots of countries still dont allow gay people to be married
some countries still kill people for being gay
some places it's legal and there are still people who act like *******s
some families disown their children for being gay
some families beat their children for being gay
some families send their children to abusive 'therapy' camps for being gay
this is all happening right now all over the world to real people
but of course it's inconvenient for you to hear about it, that's rough , i know
You can't expect everyone to be accepting it yet, gay marriage is very recent, and will take a while to be accepted.
I just can't accept they are using the term "marriage" for the union of two people of the same sex, nor can't I accept they will soon let them adopt kids.
And gay parades aren't helping the gay people, people on those just appears as freaks.
I don't mind what a person does with his personnal life and who he does it with, but It can't be a political thing, and I can't possibly be judged from not accepting it.
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:40:41
I never give a **** about who a person loves, or into, or bangs,... as long as they just being (I mean, act/behave) normal like everybody else
I don't get the "pride" they talk about, honestly why only they have the right to be "proud" if they want to bring equality in? You cant just write "proud to be straight" without getting in any trouble with them and being called sexist.
In other words, yes I get it, you're gay, les, or whatever it is, I just don't have the need to know about it, if you're good to me, you're good, if you're an *******, I don't care what sexuality you are you're still an ******* to me and I hate you.
siigh
people dont get killed for being straight
theres no such thing as straight bashing
there is no reason to be proud of being straight in virtually all parts of the world because straight IS normal and straight doesn't face discrimination
lots of countries still dont allow gay people to be married
some countries still kill people for being gay
some places it's legal and there are still people who act like *******s
some families disown their children for being gay
some families beat their children for being gay
some families send their children to abusive 'therapy' camps for being gay
this is all happening right now all over the world to real people
but of course it's inconvenient for you to hear about it, that's rough , i know
You can't expect everyone to be accepting it yet, gay marriage is very recent, and will take a while to be accepted.
I just can't accecpt they are using the term "marriage" for the union of two people of the same sex, nor can't I accept they will soon let them adopt kids.
And gay parades aren't helping the gay people, people on those just appears as freaks.
I don't mind what a person does with his personnal life and who he does it with, but It can't be a political thing, and I can't possibly be judged from not accepting it.
hahaha yes you absolutely can be judged, i'm doing it right now watch me go,
judge judge judge
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:41:27
I never give a **** about who a person loves, or into, or bangs,... as long as they just being (I mean, act/behave) normal like everybody else
I don't get the "pride" they talk about, honestly why only they have the right to be "proud" if they want to bring equality in? You cant just write "proud to be straight" without getting in any trouble with them and being called sexist.
In other words, yes I get it, you're gay, les, or whatever it is, I just don't have the need to know about it, if you're good to me, you're good, if you're an *******, I don't care what sexuality you are you're still an ******* to me and I hate you.
siigh
people dont get killed for being straight
theres no such thing as straight bashing
there is no reason to be proud of being straight in virtually all parts of the world because straight IS normal and straight doesn't face discrimination
lots of countries still dont allow gay people to be married
some countries still kill people for being gay
some places it's legal and there are still people who act like *******s
some families disown their children for being gay
some families beat their children for being gay
some families send their children to abusive 'therapy' camps for being gay
this is all happening right now all over the world to real people
but of course it's inconvenient for you to hear about it, that's rough , i know
You can't expect everyone to be accepting it yet, gay marriage is very recent, and will take a while to be accepted.
I just can't accept they are using the term "marriage" for the union of two people of the same sex, nor can't I accept they will soon let them adopt kids.
And gay parades aren't helping the gay people, people on those just appears as freaks.
I don't mind what a person does with his personnal life and who he does it with, but It can't be a political thing, and I can't possibly be judged from not accepting it.
What's your reasoning behind the word marriage (no religion cop out pls) or adoption? I'm interested to read your response.
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:42:00
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:44:27
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:44:35
I can't possibly be judged from not accepting it.Yeah and I just don't think interracial marriage should be allowed, why should I be called racist for thinking that?
/s
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:44:38
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:46:26
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:47:10
I never give a **** about who a person loves, or into, or bangs,... as long as they just being (I mean, act/behave) normal like everybody else
I don't get the "pride" they talk about, honestly why only they have the right to be "proud" if they want to bring equality in? You cant just write "proud to be straight" without getting in any trouble with them and being called sexist.
In other words, yes I get it, you're gay, les, or whatever it is, I just don't have the need to know about it, if you're good to me, you're good, if you're an *******, I don't care what sexuality you are you're still an ******* to me and I hate you.
siigh
people dont get killed for being straight
theres no such thing as straight bashing
there is no reason to be proud of being straight in virtually all parts of the world because straight IS normal and straight doesn't face discrimination
lots of countries still dont allow gay people to be married
some countries still kill people for being gay
some places it's legal and there are still people who act like *******s
some families disown their children for being gay
some families beat their children for being gay
some families send their children to abusive 'therapy' camps for being gay
this is all happening right now all over the world to real people
but of course it's inconvenient for you to hear about it, that's rough , i know
You can't expect everyone to be accepting it yet, gay marriage is very recent, and will take a while to be accepted.
I just can't accept they are using the term "marriage" for the union of two people of the same sex, nor can't I accept they will soon let them adopt kids.
And gay parades aren't helping the gay people, people on those just appears as freaks.
I don't mind what a person does with his personnal life and who he does it with, but It can't be a political thing, and I can't possibly be judged from not accepting it.
What's your reasoning behind the word marriage (no religion cop out pls) or adoption? I'm interested to read your response.
Marriage has a religious connotation, even if non religious myself, I can't possibly accept they're using this term.
What annoys me, is that there in France there was an civilian union for 2 peoples (same sex or different) with about the same rights that marriage, but the LGBT lobby pushed for the marriage instead of trying to change the things that weren't working on the civilian union they had for a decade.
Adoption is trickier in my mind, while I think 2 loving gay parents is better than a ****ty hetero family, the kid will loose the balance mom/dad that I found very important. I'm not quite sure about adoption yet.
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:49:03
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:49:48
So do you think single parents should be forced to have there children taken into care due to a lack of mother or father figure?
LOGICALLY... YES
huh i guess by that reasoning, i had a bad childhood, and that's why i dont have a problem with non-heterosexual couples adopting
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:51:02
@trenzafeeds : is this the best you can do?
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:51:48
I wish people in this thread would read and argue instead of randomly quoting and bashing.
me too dude
actually wait no i wish homophobes would stay out of a lgbtq+ thread if they dont have anything constructive or positive to say
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:55:41
I never give a **** about who a person loves, or into, or bangs,... as long as they just being (I mean, act/behave) normal like everybody else
I don't get the "pride" they talk about, honestly why only they have the right to be "proud" if they want to bring equality in? You cant just write "proud to be straight" without getting in any trouble with them and being called sexist.
In other words, yes I get it, you're gay, les, or whatever it is, I just don't have the need to know about it, if you're good to me, you're good, if you're an *******, I don't care what sexuality you are you're still an ******* to me and I hate you.
siigh
people dont get killed for being straight
theres no such thing as straight bashing
there is no reason to be proud of being straight in virtually all parts of the world because straight IS normal and straight doesn't face discrimination
lots of countries still dont allow gay people to be married
some countries still kill people for being gay
some places it's legal and there are still people who act like *******s
some families disown their children for being gay
some families beat their children for being gay
some families send their children to abusive 'therapy' camps for being gay
this is all happening right now all over the world to real people
but of course it's inconvenient for you to hear about it, that's rough , i know
You can't expect everyone to be accepting it yet, gay marriage is very recent, and will take a while to be accepted.
I just can't accept they are using the term "marriage" for the union of two people of the same sex, nor can't I accept they will soon let them adopt kids.
And gay parades aren't helping the gay people, people on those just appears as freaks.
I don't mind what a person does with his personnal life and who he does it with, but It can't be a political thing, and I can't possibly be judged from not accepting it.
What's your reasoning behind the word marriage (no religion cop out pls) or adoption? I'm interested to read your response.
Marriage has a religious connotation, even if non religious myself, I can't possibly accept they're using this term.
What annoys me, is that there in France there was an civilian union for 2 peoples (same sex or different) with about the same rights that marriage, but the LGBT lobby pushed for the marriage instead of trying to change the things that weren't working on the civilian union they had for a decade.
Adoption is trickier in my mind, while I think 2 loving gay parents is better than a ****ty hetero family, the kid will loose the balance mom/dad that I found very important. I'm not quite sure about adoption yet.
Personally, I'd do away with marriage all together. Religion should have zero to no say in people's rights with the government.
And your adoption point is ridiculous. Plenty of single parents raise children without an issue later in life.
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:55:43
I wish people in this thread would read and argue instead of randomly quoting and bashing, I was very clear on adoption.
@trenzafeeds : is this the best you can do?
I read your post and I replied to it. I used the logic you applied to your argument (PoV what ever) and applied it to a similar situation to highlight how absurd your logic and argument for/against gay adoption.
if you can no longer support your opinion/argument then your argument is flawed and you either need to accept that and change it, or come up with some better logic and reasoning.
This is a forum mate, if you can chat and debate things in a forum where the **** can you?
Post by: bazh on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:55:43
Eventually it grows an bad affect on how we straight think about it. Like I said on the other post, I couldn't care less about one's personal life, especially one I don't even have any interaction or a random stranger. But social behave is another aspect, I hate those acting ridiculous and stupid, those people just happened to be gay doesn't make me sexist or any thing against them.
On another look of this, Vietnam has a very strong "traditionalism" giving we're very same with the East Asia (yeah we're more close to China than the rest of SEA) culture but still we don't have anything that is in law or officially against gay, we're not illegalizing them nor killing, healing,... That in fact impressed even me when the first gay topic raised, which is kind of good.
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:57:09
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:00:52
MoreI never give a **** about who a person loves, or into, or bangs,... as long as they just being (I mean, act/behave) normal like everybody else
I don't get the "pride" they talk about, honestly why only they have the right to be "proud" if they want to bring equality in? You cant just write "proud to be straight" without getting in any trouble with them and being called sexist.
In other words, yes I get it, you're gay, les, or whatever it is, I just don't have the need to know about it, if you're good to me, you're good, if you're an *******, I don't care what sexuality you are you're still an ******* to me and I hate you.
siigh
people dont get killed for being straight
theres no such thing as straight bashing
there is no reason to be proud of being straight in virtually all parts of the world because straight IS normal and straight doesn't face discrimination
lots of countries still dont allow gay people to be married
some countries still kill people for being gay
some places it's legal and there are still people who act like *******s
some families disown their children for being gay
some families beat their children for being gay
some families send their children to abusive 'therapy' camps for being gay
this is all happening right now all over the world to real people
but of course it's inconvenient for you to hear about it, that's rough , i know
You can't expect everyone to be accepting it yet, gay marriage is very recent, and will take a while to be accepted.
I just can't accept they are using the term "marriage" for the union of two people of the same sex, nor can't I accept they will soon let them adopt kids.
And gay parades aren't helping the gay people, people on those just appears as freaks.
I don't mind what a person does with his personnal life and who he does it with, but It can't be a political thing, and I can't possibly be judged from not accepting it.
What's your reasoning behind the word marriage (no religion cop out pls) or adoption? I'm interested to read your response.
Marriage has a religious connotation, even if non religious myself, I can't possibly accept they're using this term.
What annoys me, is that there in France there was an civilian union for 2 peoples (same sex or different) with about the same rights that marriage, but the LGBT lobby pushed for the marriage instead of trying to change the things that weren't working on the civilian union they had for a decade.
Adoption is trickier in my mind, while I think 2 loving gay parents is better than a ****ty hetero family, the kid will loose the balance mom/dad that I found very important. I'm not quite sure about adoption yet.
Personally, I'd do away with marriage all together. Religion should have zero to no say in people's rights with the government.
And your adoption point is ridiculous. Plenty of single parents raise children without an issue later in life.
You're right on both point, thanks for the constructive answer.
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:06:03
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:08:07
I could never tell when you're being sarcastic or not, but seeing I wasn't being a **** I'm going to go with no on this one.
MoreI never give a **** about who a person loves, or into, or bangs,... as long as they just being (I mean, act/behave) normal like everybody else
I don't get the "pride" they talk about, honestly why only they have the right to be "proud" if they want to bring equality in? You cant just write "proud to be straight" without getting in any trouble with them and being called sexist.
In other words, yes I get it, you're gay, les, or whatever it is, I just don't have the need to know about it, if you're good to me, you're good, if you're an *******, I don't care what sexuality you are you're still an ******* to me and I hate you.
siigh
people dont get killed for being straight
theres no such thing as straight bashing
there is no reason to be proud of being straight in virtually all parts of the world because straight IS normal and straight doesn't face discrimination
lots of countries still dont allow gay people to be married
some countries still kill people for being gay
some places it's legal and there are still people who act like *******s
some families disown their children for being gay
some families beat their children for being gay
some families send their children to abusive 'therapy' camps for being gay
this is all happening right now all over the world to real people
but of course it's inconvenient for you to hear about it, that's rough , i know
You can't expect everyone to be accepting it yet, gay marriage is very recent, and will take a while to be accepted.
I just can't accept they are using the term "marriage" for the union of two people of the same sex, nor can't I accept they will soon let them adopt kids.
And gay parades aren't helping the gay people, people on those just appears as freaks.
I don't mind what a person does with his personnal life and who he does it with, but It can't be a political thing, and I can't possibly be judged from not accepting it.
What's your reasoning behind the word marriage (no religion cop out pls) or adoption? I'm interested to read your response.
Marriage has a religious connotation, even if non religious myself, I can't possibly accept they're using this term.
What annoys me, is that there in France there was an civilian union for 2 peoples (same sex or different) with about the same rights that marriage, but the LGBT lobby pushed for the marriage instead of trying to change the things that weren't working on the civilian union they had for a decade.
Adoption is trickier in my mind, while I think 2 loving gay parents is better than a ****ty hetero family, the kid will loose the balance mom/dad that I found very important. I'm not quite sure about adoption yet.
Personally, I'd do away with marriage all together. Religion should have zero to no say in people's rights with the government.
And your adoption point is ridiculous. Plenty of single parents raise children without an issue later in life.
Thanks for your input
I translated it for you bae
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:09:35
I could never tell when you're being sarcastic or not, but seeing I wasn't being a **** I'm going to go with no on this one.
I wasn't, I'm up for debate, it helps me make up my mind on things.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:09:57
On that note, I'd like to apologize profusely to azhder for my sarcastic response, it was exactly the opposite of what I'm now saying, I should have approached that in a much more open-minded manner. I'll leave that post intact as an example of what should NOT happen here.
TL;DR basically I'm sorry azhder, basically everyone do exactly the opposite of what I'm doing and we'll have a constructive, positive forum.
Post by: iri on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:10:13
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:15:51
Ok, so, when I said in the OP that I was interested what responses I'd get, positive or negative, that wasn't supposed to be an invitation for everyone to air exactly what their opinion is on queer people. The support is nice for obvious reasons, but this thread really wasn't intended as a place for people to tell us all their problems with pride marches and gay marriage. This is one of the problems that I was talking about in the OP, is that on many online forums as soon as people find out you're queer, they have to turn it into a political debate about "queerness" as a whole. I suppose more what I had in mind was a place for queer people on GH to make themselves known, and for everyone else to recognize that about them, and accept that individual person, regardless of how they feel about the overall political ideas. For those of you that would say this is unnecessary, maybe it is, and you are in no way obligated to come onto this thread if you don't want to see the content. Anyways, I would just appreciate if people could approach this with more of an open-minded, inquisitive attitude, rather than one of just "I want to make sure everyone knows that I don't like the gays" (btw I DON'T think anyone on this thread is saying that).
On that note, I'd like to apologize profusely to azhder for my sarcastic response, it was exactly the opposite of what I'm now saying, I should have approached that in a much more open-minded manner. I'll leave that post intact as an example of what should NOT happen here.
Thanks for this answer, I saw this thread when it opened and didn't want in because of the points your raised.
I'll be out of this thread and will remove my posts if you wish to.
And people can believe it or not I had friends in this communities they never had problems with me.
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:16:50
Having sth in ignore list makes this forum look like it's a sane, nice and calm place.
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:18:27
Ok, so, when I said in the OP that I was interested what responses I'd get, positive or negative, that wasn't supposed to be an invitation for everyone to air exactly what their opinion is on queer people. The support is nice for obvious reasons, but this thread really wasn't intended as a place for people to tell us all their problems with pride marches and gay marriage. This is one of the problems that I was talking about in the OP, is that on many online forums as soon as people find out you're queer, they have to turn it into a political debate about "queerness" as a whole. I suppose more what I had in mind was a place for queer people on GH to make themselves known, and for everyone else to recognize that about them, and accept that individual person, regardless of how they feel about the overall political ideas. For those of you that would say this is unnecessary, maybe it is, and you are in no way obligated to come onto this thread if you don't want to see the content. Anyways, I would just appreciate if people could approach this with more of an open-minded, inquisitive attitude, rather than one of just "I want to make sure everyone knows that I don't like the gays" (btw I DON'T think anyone on this thread is saying that).
On that note, I'd like to apologize profusely to azhder for my sarcastic response, it was exactly the opposite of what I'm now saying, I should have approached that in a much more open-minded manner. I'll leave that post intact as an example of what should NOT happen here.
TL;DR basically I'm sorry azhder, basically everyone do exactly the opposite of what I'm doing and we'll have a constructive, positive forum.
I'm sorry but you can't say you want to see what type of responses you get then back out of it when a couple ppl don't say what you want to hear. That's not how the world works.
And welcome to being a minority.
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:21:54
Ok, so, when I said in the OP that I was interested what responses I'd get, positive or negative, that wasn't supposed to be an invitation for everyone to air exactly what their opinion is on queer people. The support is nice for obvious reasons, but this thread really wasn't intended as a place for people to tell us all their problems with pride marches and gay marriage. This is one of the problems that I was talking about in the OP, is that on many online forums as soon as people find out you're queer, they have to turn it into a political debate about "queerness" as a whole. I suppose more what I had in mind was a place for queer people on GH to make themselves known, and for everyone else to recognize that about them, and accept that individual person, regardless of how they feel about the overall political ideas. For those of you that would say this is unnecessary, maybe it is, and you are in no way obligated to come onto this thread if you don't want to see the content. Anyways, I would just appreciate if people could approach this with more of an open-minded, inquisitive attitude, rather than one of just "I want to make sure everyone knows that I don't like the gays" (btw I DON'T think anyone on this thread is saying that).
On that note, I'd like to apologize profusely to azhder for my sarcastic response, it was exactly the opposite of what I'm now saying, I should have approached that in a much more open-minded manner. I'll leave that post intact as an example of what should NOT happen here.
Thanks for this answer, I saw this thread when it opened and didn't want in because of the points your raised.
I'll be out of this thread and will remove my posts if you wish to.
And people can believe it or not I had friends in this communities they never had problems with me.
Did you tell them that you didn't think they should be allowed to adopt children?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:22:46
Thanks for this answer, I saw this thread when it opened and didn't want in because of the points your raised.Dude it's totally fine, leave the posts there if you want, I couldn't care less. This is exactly what I'm talking about though, I have plenty of friends who, if they had their political way, would probably make life pretty hard for me (if inadvertently), but we can still be friends. The fact that you have these opinions should never prevent me from for instance participating in a groupbuy run by you, or appreciating your AZERTY superiority posts. :thumb: Ya'll can even continue debating these issues, I just hope it's in a constructive fashion (unlike my debating apparently), if that's what people want, I'm not the god of this thread just because I created it.
I'll be out of this thread and will remove my posts if you wish to.
And people can believe it or not I had friends in this communities they never had problems with me.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:25:14
I'm sorry but you can't say you want to see what type of responses you get then back out of it when a couple ppl don't say what you want to hear. That's not how the world works.When I said responses in the op, I was talking about my earlier inquiry into what experiences people had on different forums, not the kind of stuff I got. But I appreciate your point, as well as the responses I did get.
And welcome to being a minority.
Post by: Fire Brand on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:25:37
Moving on brad Pitt only gets better with age he's like fine wine so all you saying fight club Pitt is better are lying to your selves ^~^
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:28:49
Thanks for this answer, I saw this thread when it opened and didn't want in because of the points your raised.Dude it's totally fine, leave the posts there if you want, I couldn't care less. This is exactly what I'm talking about though, I have plenty of friends who, if they had their political way, would probably make life pretty hard for me (if inadvertently), but we can still be friends. The fact that you have these opinions should never prevent me from for instance participating in a groupbuy run by you, or appreciating your AZERTY superiority posts. :thumb: Ya'll can even continue debating these issues, I just hope it's in a constructive fashion (unlike my debating apparently), if that's what people want, I'm not the god of this thread just because I created it.
I'll be out of this thread and will remove my posts if you wish to.
And people can believe it or not I had friends in this communities they never had problems with me.
How can you like and or be friends with someone who fundamental thinks that you are below/less than them?
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:30:02
Ok, so, when I said in the OP that I was interested what responses I'd get, positive or negative, that wasn't supposed to be an invitation for everyone to air exactly what their opinion is on queer people. The support is nice for obvious reasons, but this thread really wasn't intended as a place for people to tell us all their problems with pride marches and gay marriage. This is one of the problems that I was talking about in the OP, is that on many online forums as soon as people find out you're queer, they have to turn it into a political debate about "queerness" as a whole. I suppose more what I had in mind was a place for queer people on GH to make themselves known, and for everyone else to recognize that about them, and accept that individual person, regardless of how they feel about the overall political ideas. For those of you that would say this is unnecessary, maybe it is, and you are in no way obligated to come onto this thread if you don't want to see the content. Anyways, I would just appreciate if people could approach this with more of an open-minded, inquisitive attitude, rather than one of just "I want to make sure everyone knows that I don't like the gays" (btw I DON'T think anyone on this thread is saying that).
On that note, I'd like to apologize profusely to azhder for my sarcastic response, it was exactly the opposite of what I'm now saying, I should have approached that in a much more open-minded manner. I'll leave that post intact as an example of what should NOT happen here.
Thanks for this answer, I saw this thread when it opened and didn't want in because of the points your raised.
I'll be out of this thread and will remove my posts if you wish to.
And people can believe it or not I had friends in this communities they never had problems with me.
Did you tell them that you didn't think they should be allowed to adopt children?
I explained my opinion and discussed it with them some couples agreed some didn't, trust it or not, not 100% of this community wants marriage or adoption.
People can be friends even if their opinions differ, actually it helps to review your opinions once in a while with people that have a different perspective than you.
Thanks for this answer, I saw this thread when it opened and didn't want in because of the points your raised.Dude it's totally fine, leave the posts there if you want, I couldn't care less. This is exactly what I'm talking about though, I have plenty of friends who, if they had their political way, would probably make life pretty hard for me (if inadvertently), but we can still be friends. The fact that you have these opinions should never prevent me from for instance participating in a groupbuy run by you, or appreciating your AZERTY superiority posts. :thumb: Ya'll can even continue debating these issues, I just hope it's in a constructive fashion (unlike my debating apparently), if that's what people want, I'm not the god of this thread just because I created it.
I'll be out of this thread and will remove my posts if you wish to.
And people can believe it or not I had friends in this communities they never had problems with me.
:thumb:
Thanks for this answer, I saw this thread when it opened and didn't want in because of the points your raised.Dude it's totally fine, leave the posts there if you want, I couldn't care less. This is exactly what I'm talking about though, I have plenty of friends who, if they had their political way, would probably make life pretty hard for me (if inadvertently), but we can still be friends. The fact that you have these opinions should never prevent me from for instance participating in a groupbuy run by you, or appreciating your AZERTY superiority posts. :thumb: Ya'll can even continue debating these issues, I just hope it's in a constructive fashion (unlike my debating apparently), if that's what people want, I'm not the god of this thread just because I created it.
I'll be out of this thread and will remove my posts if you wish to.
And people can believe it or not I had friends in this communities they never had problems with me.
How can you like and or be friends with someone who fundamental thinks that you are below/less than them?
Ok, now quote me where I said that.
Post by: 27 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:34:12
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:34:16
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:36:30
Can we just keep this as a thread for support and discussion? This was made for the LGBTQ+ members to have a space to talk, and for supporters to discuss. We shouldn't bring discriminatory opinions into this.
How is the other side not discussion? If you want an echo chamber, tumblr.com is pretty intolerant of opinions that don't fit their narrative.
Post by: 27 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:39:22
Can we just keep this as a thread for support and discussion? This was made for the LGBTQ+ members to have a space to talk, and for supporters to discuss. We shouldn't bring discriminatory opinions into this.
How is the other side not discussion? If you want an echo chamber, tumblr.com is pretty intolerant of opinions that don't fit their narrative.
I'm all for the discussion, I just think we should try to keep the politics out of it.
I agree with people saying pride parades are ridiculous, but I'm not going to air that out, because there's no positive discussion I can see from that.
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:45:13
But that's part of it. Leaving it out cripples the discussion. Also, nobody here has been disrespectful towards other members.Can we just keep this as a thread for support and discussion? This was made for the LGBTQ+ members to have a space to talk, and for supporters to discuss. We shouldn't bring discriminatory opinions into this.
How is the other side not discussion? If you want an echo chamber, tumblr.com is pretty intolerant of opinions that don't fit their narrative.
I'm all for the discussion, I just think we should try to keep the politics out of it.
I agree with people saying pride parades are ridiculous, but I'm not going to air that out, because there's no positive discussion I can see from that.
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:46:14
Ok, so, when I said in the OP that I was interested what responses I'd get, positive or negative, that wasn't supposed to be an invitation for everyone to air exactly what their opinion is on queer people. The support is nice for obvious reasons, but this thread really wasn't intended as a place for people to tell us all their problems with pride marches and gay marriage. This is one of the problems that I was talking about in the OP, is that on many online forums as soon as people find out you're queer, they have to turn it into a political debate about "queerness" as a whole. I suppose more what I had in mind was a place for queer people on GH to make themselves known, and for everyone else to recognize that about them, and accept that individual person, regardless of how they feel about the overall political ideas. For those of you that would say this is unnecessary, maybe it is, and you are in no way obligated to come onto this thread if you don't want to see the content. Anyways, I would just appreciate if people could approach this with more of an open-minded, inquisitive attitude, rather than one of just "I want to make sure everyone knows that I don't like the gays" (btw I DON'T think anyone on this thread is saying that).
On that note, I'd like to apologize profusely to azhder for my sarcastic response, it was exactly the opposite of what I'm now saying, I should have approached that in a much more open-minded manner. I'll leave that post intact as an example of what should NOT happen here.
Thanks for this answer, I saw this thread when it opened and didn't want in because of the points your raised.
I'll be out of this thread and will remove my posts if you wish to.
And people can believe it or not I had friends in this communities they never had problems with me.
Did you tell them that you didn't think they should be allowed to adopt children?
I explained my opinion and discussed it with them some couples agreed some didn't, trust it or not, not 100% of this community wants marriage or adoption.
People can be friends even if their opinions differ, actually it helps to review your opinions once in a while with people that have a different perspective than you.
le irony
Though there is a difference between having a different of opinion and literally thinking your genetically(for want of a better word) superior..
Post by: digi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:47:04
le irony
Though there is a difference between having a different of opinion and literally thinking your genetically(for want of a better word) superior..
I am better than all of you.
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:48:49
Ok, so, when I said in the OP that I was interested what responses I'd get, positive or negative, that wasn't supposed to be an invitation for everyone to air exactly what their opinion is on queer people. The support is nice for obvious reasons, but this thread really wasn't intended as a place for people to tell us all their problems with pride marches and gay marriage. This is one of the problems that I was talking about in the OP, is that on many online forums as soon as people find out you're queer, they have to turn it into a political debate about "queerness" as a whole. I suppose more what I had in mind was a place for queer people on GH to make themselves known, and for everyone else to recognize that about them, and accept that individual person, regardless of how they feel about the overall political ideas. For those of you that would say this is unnecessary, maybe it is, and you are in no way obligated to come onto this thread if you don't want to see the content. Anyways, I would just appreciate if people could approach this with more of an open-minded, inquisitive attitude, rather than one of just "I want to make sure everyone knows that I don't like the gays" (btw I DON'T think anyone on this thread is saying that).
On that note, I'd like to apologize profusely to azhder for my sarcastic response, it was exactly the opposite of what I'm now saying, I should have approached that in a much more open-minded manner. I'll leave that post intact as an example of what should NOT happen here.
Thanks for this answer, I saw this thread when it opened and didn't want in because of the points your raised.
I'll be out of this thread and will remove my posts if you wish to.
And people can believe it or not I had friends in this communities they never had problems with me.
Did you tell them that you didn't think they should be allowed to adopt children?
I explained my opinion and discussed it with them some couples agreed some didn't, trust it or not, not 100% of this community wants marriage or adoption.
People can be friends even if their opinions differ, actually it helps to review your opinions once in a while with people that have a different perspective than you.
le irony
Though there is a difference between having a different of opinion and literally thinking your genetically(for want of a better word) superior..
Thanks for this answer, I saw this thread when it opened and didn't want in because of the points your raised.Dude it's totally fine, leave the posts there if you want, I couldn't care less. This is exactly what I'm talking about though, I have plenty of friends who, if they had their political way, would probably make life pretty hard for me (if inadvertently), but we can still be friends. The fact that you have these opinions should never prevent me from for instance participating in a groupbuy run by you, or appreciating your AZERTY superiority posts. :thumb: Ya'll can even continue debating these issues, I just hope it's in a constructive fashion (unlike my debating apparently), if that's what people want, I'm not the god of this thread just because I created it.
I'll be out of this thread and will remove my posts if you wish to.
And people can believe it or not I had friends in this communities they never had problems with me.
How can you like and or be friends with someone who fundamental thinks that you are below/less than them?
Ok, now quote me where I said that.
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:50:47
Being a raider fan takes you down a pegle irony
Though there is a difference between having a different of opinion and literally thinking your genetically(for want of a better word) superior..
I am better than all of you.
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:51:09
I wasn't repling to you, this is a forum when replying to someone you quote them, sometimes when you do that it includes a quote from another person that they where replying to. This is how forums work, this is how forums have always worked and how geekhack has always worked.
The question dosnt even make sense to be addressed to you...
Post by: digi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:53:55
Being a raider fan takes you down a peg
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Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:54:45
I mean you should ask azhdar, he's but a lowly azerty infidel, while I am an enlightened member of the Dvorak ruling class, so who's really fundamentally inferior in this situation?Thanks for this answer, I saw this thread when it opened and didn't want in because of the points your raised.Dude it's totally fine, leave the posts there if you want, I couldn't care less. This is exactly what I'm talking about though, I have plenty of friends who, if they had their political way, would probably make life pretty hard for me (if inadvertently), but we can still be friends. The fact that you have these opinions should never prevent me from for instance participating in a groupbuy run by you, or appreciating your AZERTY superiority posts. :thumb: Ya'll can even continue debating these issues, I just hope it's in a constructive fashion (unlike my debating apparently), if that's what people want, I'm not the god of this thread just because I created it.
I'll be out of this thread and will remove my posts if you wish to.
And people can believe it or not I had friends in this communities they never had problems with me.
How can you like and or be friends with someone who fundamental thinks that you are below/less than them?
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:57:51
That kid is European! HE KNOWS NOTHINGBeing a raider fan takes you down a pegShow Image(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdjvKynvCZ-UXZcGJ31-XocqTaoc6BOyyvwWJc96ba4eU6AK-E)
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:59:25
I mean you should ask azhdar, he's but a lowly azerty infidel, while I am an enlightened member of the Dvorak ruling class, so who's really fundamentally inferior in this situation?Thanks for this answer, I saw this thread when it opened and didn't want in because of the points your raised.Dude it's totally fine, leave the posts there if you want, I couldn't care less. This is exactly what I'm talking about though, I have plenty of friends who, if they had their political way, would probably make life pretty hard for me (if inadvertently), but we can still be friends. The fact that you have these opinions should never prevent me from for instance participating in a groupbuy run by you, or appreciating your AZERTY superiority posts. :thumb: Ya'll can even continue debating these issues, I just hope it's in a constructive fashion (unlike my debating apparently), if that's what people want, I'm not the god of this thread just because I created it.
I'll be out of this thread and will remove my posts if you wish to.
And people can believe it or not I had friends in this communities they never had problems with me.
How can you like and or be friends with someone who fundamental thinks that you are below/less than them?
Sorry but I seriously can't considered having a discussion with someone with a different usage of layout than mine.
Also I'm sure you eat your steak medium rare? I can only discuss with people that eat them "blue".
Your opinions are so below mine.
/sarcasm (for the people that won't get it ...)
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:00:32
You said (or aluded to the fact that) you have friends who are anti gay freedoms (about making your life difficult), thus they think you are inferior to themselfs. They consider you to be less of a person than they are, if they didn't they would be pro gay freedoms because logically there is no difference between gay and straight people, we are all just people.
So I was asking how you could possibly be friends with people like that?
It makes no sense for me to ask azhdar because he has no knowledge/experiance of being in a minority
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:00:58
Also I'm sure you eat your steak medium rare?Vegetarian
Post by: 27 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:01:31
But that's part of it. Leaving it out cripples the discussion. Also, nobody here has been disrespectful towards other members.Can we just keep this as a thread for support and discussion? This was made for the LGBTQ+ members to have a space to talk, and for supporters to discuss. We shouldn't bring discriminatory opinions into this.
How is the other side not discussion? If you want an echo chamber, tumblr.com is pretty intolerant of opinions that don't fit their narrative.
I'm all for the discussion, I just think we should try to keep the politics out of it.
I agree with people saying pride parades are ridiculous, but I'm not going to air that out, because there's no positive discussion I can see from that.
That's true. Discuss away friends!
Post by: digi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:06:01
That kid is European! HE KNOWS NOTHING
Oh, now Europeans are STUPID?!?! WHAT DO YOU KNOW 49ERS FAN?? I'm pretty sure there is TV and Internet in Euro-land, mmmkay?
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:07:15
Yes they are. God damn commiesThat kid is European! HE KNOWS NOTHING
Oh, now Europeans are STUPID?!?! WHAT DO YOU KNOW 49ERS FAN?? I'm pretty sure there is TV and Internet in Euro-land, mmmkay?
Post by: digi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:07:51
Yes they are. God damn commies
Finally, we agree.
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:08:04
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:11:48
Yes they are. God damn commies
Finally, we agree.
Euro bashing keeps communities together.
Post by: digi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:13:11
Yes they are. God damn commies
Finally, we agree.
Euro bashing keeps communities together.
lol, yes.
Mexico > EU
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:16:24
Post by: iri on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:17:02
nah mate, it's Mexico > USA. Something with the unsecured border I guess.Yes they are. God damn commies
Finally, we agree.
Euro bashing keeps communities together.
lol, yes.
Mexico > EU
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:24:07
Yes they are. God damn commies
Finally, we agree.
Euro bashing keeps communities together.
lol, yes.
Mexico > EU
Last I checked I lived in the U.S. and not Mexico. So you can bash Mexico all you want.
Post by: digi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:25:20
Last I checked I lived in the U.S. and not Mexico. So you can bash Mexico all you want.
L.A. is Mexico v. 2.0
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:33:16
Mexico is like Spain 2.0 and the USA is like a better version of the rest of Europe. Even has its own London and Paris
Dude, we've got everything. I grew up near Berlin, I just drove past Luxembourg the other day, and I live ten miles from Freedom. :cool:
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:40:21
Last I checked I lived in the U.S. and not Mexico. So you can bash Mexico all you want.
L.A. is Mexico v. 2.0
Not if these white hipsters have anything to say
Post by: kishy on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:40:30
Simply, I'm inclined to believe (though I recognize that I can't speak for everyone) that perhaps anyone of any sex and gender can have any type of emotion towards anyone else of any sex and gender, and the preference of what physical parts to play with and what physical acts to do is just that...preference...(yes, that is a "gay man" telling you that he feels it "is a choice"...but only in part)
As for pride events, I recognize their significance but I do believe they hurt the cause of seeking inclusion and acceptance. I am opposed to public displays of affection (by anyone of any sex or gender towards anyone), not because it bothers me but because I believe it just doesn't belong in the public realm. As you might imagine I am therefore rather opposed to the typical format of a pride parade, at least in a larger city - the nudity and sexuality goes counter to the goal of being acknowledged as functional, non-sex-crazed members of society who are in no meaningful way different from anyone else...
Edited to address rantishness.
Post by: digi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:47:47
Last I checked I lived in the U.S. and not Mexico. So you can bash Mexico all you want.
L.A. is Mexico v. 2.0
Not if these white hipsters have anything to say
Racist!!
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:56:14
Mexico is like Spain 2.0 and the USA is like a better version of the rest of Europe. Even has its own London and Paris
Dude, we've got everything. I grew up near Berlin, I just drove past Luxembourg the other day, and I live ten miles from Freedom. :cool:
God damnit
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:58:07
*: don't get me started on Special Snowflake syndrome which is running rampant among people of my age and younger which has no connection to sex, gender or orientation...we have a lot of people in this generation who feel they need to be different to matter in life which I think is not a good sign of what's coming when this generation runs the world.dude but I'm an self-diagnosed autistic dragonkin, why can't you understand that?
Post by: kishy on Tue, 25 August 2015, 12:18:50
dude but I'm an self-diagnosed autistic dragonkin, why can't you understand that?
All of the sighs.
Post by: Fire Brand on Tue, 25 August 2015, 12:24:00
I am a male (by physical sex as well as logical gender) who is in a committed relationship with a male (again in both sex and gender). I have a traditionally masculine personality and "boy hobbies" (working on my cars and so on). I find myself excluded from conventional definitions of orientations, so I try to stay away from those labels.Kishy I think you just nailed how I also feel and put my thoughts down better, its easier to say I'm gay than just I happen to prefer men a lot lot more than women, as I never liked the label of being "gay" as it almost always has a negative connotation, also super super agree with you on the whole pride thing I don't see the point as I would just rather people be accepting which luckly I have had a awesome upbringing, but no I super think you took my feelings on this and wrote them down well good work buddie :)
Simply, I'm inclined to believe (though I recognize that I can't speak for everyone) that perhaps anyone of any sex and gender can have any type of emotion towards anyone else of any sex and gender, and the preference of what physical parts to play with and what physical acts to do is just that...preference...(yes, that is a "gay man" telling you that he feels it "is a choice"...but only in part)
As for pride events, I recognize their significance but I do believe they hurt the cause of seeking inclusion and acceptance.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 25 August 2015, 12:27:48
I am a male (by physical sex as well as logical gender) who is in a committed relationship with a male (again in both sex and gender). I have a traditionally masculine personality and "boy hobbies" (working on my cars and so on). I find myself excluded from conventional definitions of orientations, so I try to stay away from those labels.Kishy I think you just nailed how I also feel and put my thoughts down better, its easier to say I'm gay than just I happen to prefer men a lot lot more than women, as I never liked the label of being "gay" as it almost always has a negative connotation, also super super agree with you on the whole pride thing I don't see the point as I would just rather people be accepting which luckly I have had a awesome upbringing, but no I super think you took my feelings on this and wrote them down well good work buddie :)
Simply, I'm inclined to believe (though I recognize that I can't speak for everyone) that perhaps anyone of any sex and gender can have any type of emotion towards anyone else of any sex and gender, and the preference of what physical parts to play with and what physical acts to do is just that...preference...(yes, that is a "gay man" telling you that he feels it "is a choice"...but only in part)
As for pride events, I recognize their significance but I do believe they hurt the cause of seeking inclusion and acceptance.
I might be misinterpreting, but the whole "I prefer men" thing seems pretty easy for me to understand. I feel like I can agree that labeling as 'gay' would be too narrow of a scope in that case, so the logical thing to do would be to explain the male preference, as you've done. Maybe this isn't my place to ask, but does that typically not go well, hence the aversion to the topic/definition in general?
Post by: iri on Tue, 25 August 2015, 12:30:20
Post by: kishy on Tue, 25 August 2015, 12:46:26
I might be misinterpreting, but the whole "I prefer men" thing seems pretty easy for me to understand. I feel like I can agree that labeling as 'gay' would be too narrow of a scope in that case, so the logical thing to do would be to explain the male preference, as you've done. Maybe this isn't my place to ask, but does that typically not go well, hence the aversion to the topic/definition in general?
Well, that would be the logical approach. The problem is that the word 'preference' implies choice and there are a lot of very angry "militant gays" (as some would call them) that have a big issue with so much as hinting at the thought that choice is involved in the matter.
It's nature/nurture, an argument as old as any other...many people are insistent that they're born gay. I think they're(/we're, I'm) just open minded enough to accept the possibility and pursue the option due to general interest. They end up liking it (physical sensations which objectively feel good, and then the parts of the experience that they subjectively like such as the overall concept of what they're doing) and conclude that because they like it more, it must be how they are. Why is this necessary? Why can't one just acknowledge that they are open to and enjoy something without needing to completely dedicate themselves to the label (and often associated stereotypes as well)?
I can't speak for everyone, but I do know a bunch of "straight" guys who feel the above applies to them. They've done both, they prefer women. They choose to be straight.
(consider that biologically, everyone is "straight enough" to procreate - otherwise, one is not fulfilling a reason for existing...this isn't a bad thing, and isn't meant to offend...one isn't a failure for not procreating...we assign higher-level meanings to our existence via our society)
This issue is rather complex because of how firmly attached people are to labels. A big part of the fight for marriage equality is statements that people are born gay and it's not able to be changed. I agree, it can't be changed because it doesn't exist - we're people, we like certain physical sensations and some of us form relationships with the same gender...I don't really understand the need for labeling this behaviour to recognize it as being different at all.
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 12:53:09
Huehuehue
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:27:07
MoreI am a male (by physical sex as well as logical gender) who is in a committed relationship with a male (again in both sex and gender). I have a traditionally masculine personality and "boy hobbies" (working on my cars and so on). I find myself excluded from conventional definitions of orientations, so I try to stay away from those labels.Kishy I think you just nailed how I also feel and put my thoughts down better, its easier to say I'm gay than just I happen to prefer men a lot lot more than women, as I never liked the label of being "gay" as it almost always has a negative connotation, also super super agree with you on the whole pride thing I don't see the point as I would just rather people be accepting which luckly I have had a awesome upbringing, but no I super think you took my feelings on this and wrote them down well good work buddie :)
Simply, I'm inclined to believe (though I recognize that I can't speak for everyone) that perhaps anyone of any sex and gender can have any type of emotion towards anyone else of any sex and gender, and the preference of what physical parts to play with and what physical acts to do is just that...preference...(yes, that is a "gay man" telling you that he feels it "is a choice"...but only in part)
As for pride events, I recognize their significance but I do believe they hurt the cause of seeking inclusion and acceptance.
I might be misinterpreting, but the whole "I prefer men" thing seems pretty easy for me to understand. I feel like I can agree that labeling as 'gay' would be too narrow of a scope in that case, so the logical thing to do would be to explain the male preference, as you've done. Maybe this isn't my place to ask, but does that typically not go well, hence the aversion to the topic/definition in general?
I know in Texas that doesn't go over well, nor does it go over well in areas heavily populated with members of traditional or conservative sects of Abrahamic religions. While I'm straight, people constantly thought I was gay in undergrad. It made things interesting at times. The discussion of gender and sexuality was always tough there though since they tended to view gender in traditional gender roles (dress this way, act this way, like these things) and sexuality as binary as opposed to the spectrum or range that's been acknowledged by scholars subsequent to Kinsey.
I also know that, at least in Texas and conservative Orange County, if you talk about preference, they decide to make it all about choice. They'll make the argument that it's a conscious choice and that if you choose to be gay then you can choose to "do the moral thing" and be straight.
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:54:47
Post by: inanis on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:57:32
To them, it absolutely is a choice, and there is no denying that. The reason this must be accepted as fact is because there are people who wake up everyday and make the "choice" to be straight, going against what their true nature intends them to be. They struggle everyday to make this choice, to be what they deem morally right. Therefore to them, there are people who are making the choice to be gay.
Personally I think that for some people there is no choice in the matter. They are attracted to same sex, or feel the were born the wrong gender and that is just fact. Same for some straight people, you just like who you like and that is how it is. For other people it can be more ambiguous than that. They may not discriminate with gender, and perhaps for some of those it is because they have no sexual interest at all, but instead are more into the emotional compatibility. People can be attracted to others for all kind of different reasons and in all different ways.
What it comes down to for me, is that people should be allowed to be who they are without fear of discrimination. I have to believe that one of the worst ways to live is pretending to be something you are not, because of fear of acceptance or personal safety. Often the ones who so staunchly profess "it is a choice, and you are choosing wrong" is because they struggle so hard to "choose right" and that must be an awful existence.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:59:45
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:00:04
While I'm straight, people constantly thought I was gay in undergrad. It made things interesting at times.MoreI am a male (by physical sex as well as logical gender) who is in a committed relationship with a male (again in both sex and gender). I have a traditionally masculine personality and "boy hobbies" (working on my cars and so on). I find myself excluded from conventional definitions of orientations, so I try to stay away from those labels.Kishy I think you just nailed how I also feel and put my thoughts down better, its easier to say I'm gay than just I happen to prefer men a lot lot more than women, as I never liked the label of being "gay" as it almost always has a negative connotation, also super super agree with you on the whole pride thing I don't see the point as I would just rather people be accepting which luckly I have had a awesome upbringing, but no I super think you took my feelings on this and wrote them down well good work buddie :)
Simply, I'm inclined to believe (though I recognize that I can't speak for everyone) that perhaps anyone of any sex and gender can have any type of emotion towards anyone else of any sex and gender, and the preference of what physical parts to play with and what physical acts to do is just that...preference...(yes, that is a "gay man" telling you that he feels it "is a choice"...but only in part)
As for pride events, I recognize their significance but I do believe they hurt the cause of seeking inclusion and acceptance.
I might be misinterpreting, but the whole "I prefer men" thing seems pretty easy for me to understand. I feel like I can agree that labeling as 'gay' would be too narrow of a scope in that case, so the logical thing to do would be to explain the male preference, as you've done. Maybe this isn't my place to ask, but does that typically not go well, hence the aversion to the topic/definition in general?
Fwiw I still think you're gay.
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:11:21
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:21:24
demik really just hopes you're gay nubbs. It would crush him to think that he has no chance with you.
Whoa whoa. I'm spoken for by bee.
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:22:35
What it comes down to for me, is that people should be allowed to be who they are without fear of discrimination. I have to believe that one of the worst ways to live is pretending to be something you are not, because of fear of acceptance or personal safety. Often the ones who so staunchly profess "it is a choice, and you are choosing wrong" is because they struggle so hard to "choose right" and that must be an awful existence.
I agree with two exceptions. First is "kin" people. I work with people with schizophrenia and most of the tumblr-esque "kinfolk" I've heard sound like schizophrenics. If you want to dress up as a cat and **** someone's brains out while meowing, that's your thing. I don't get it, but whatever. Just don't go around telling me you're dolphin kin stuck in a person's buddy and you have conversations with dolphins in your headspace.
The second exception is people who engage in sex with persons or things that do not have capacity or ability to consent. If you're attracted to children or animals or even bridges, that's fine. Acting on it is not, be it through direct action it consumption.
demik really just hopes you're gay nubbs. It would crush him to think that he has no chance with you.
Mainly it's because I keep turning him down for a beehatch threesome. He just can't understand how I could be monogamous.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:26:24
What it comes down to for me, is that people should be allowed to be who they are without fear of discrimination. I have to believe that one of the worst ways to live is pretending to be something you are not, because of fear of acceptance or personal safety. Often the ones who so staunchly profess "it is a choice, and you are choosing wrong" is because they struggle so hard to "choose right" and that must be an awful existence.
I agree with two exceptions. First is "kin" people. I work with people with schizophrenia and most of the tumblr-esque "kinfolk" I've heard sound like schizophrenics. If you want to dress up as a vast abd **** someone's brains out while meowing, that's your thing. I don't get it, but whatever. Just don't go around telling me you're dolphin kin stuck in a person's buddy and you have conversations with dolphins in your headspace.
TIL that's a thing.
Post by: inanis on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:29:34
What it comes down to for me, is that people should be allowed to be who they are without fear of discrimination. I have to believe that one of the worst ways to live is pretending to be something you are not, because of fear of acceptance or personal safety. Often the ones who so staunchly profess "it is a choice, and you are choosing wrong" is because they struggle so hard to "choose right" and that must be an awful existence.
I agree with two exceptions. First is "kin" people. I work with people with schizophrenia and most of the tumblr-esque "kinfolk" I've heard sound like schizophrenics. If you want to dress up as a vast abd **** someone's brains out while meowing, that's your thing. I don't get it, but whatever. Just don't go around telling me you're dolphin kin stuck in a person's buddy and you have conversations with dolphins in your headspace.
The second exception is people who engage in sex with persons or things that do not have capacity or ability to consent. If you're attracted to children or animals or even bridges, that's fine. Acting on it is not, be it through direct action it consumption.
Agreed on the limitations...I mean, within reasonable limits. Like, no it is not okay be to attracted to your sister, or whatever, and don't bang dogs cause you think they are hot. That is not okay. Ever. And it is gross (sorry to be judgmental). Kin is a whole different thing that I can't really wrap my brain around. I guess as long as they aren't trying to bang their "kinfolk" then they can do whatever they want. I would agree to lean toward mental disorder rather than anything about gender, or sexual orientation.
I was speaking more the of the healthy forms of consent that people can give when they are of age and sound mind.
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:29:36
Sending her to the store while you try to have your way with me is not a damn threesome.What it comes down to for me, is that people should be allowed to be who they are without fear of discrimination. I have to believe that one of the worst ways to live is pretending to be something you are not, because of fear of acceptance or personal safety. Often the ones who so staunchly profess "it is a choice, and you are choosing wrong" is because they struggle so hard to "choose right" and that must be an awful existence.
I agree with two exceptions. First is "kin" people. I work with people with schizophrenia and most of the tumblr-esque "kinfolk" I've heard sound like schizophrenics. If you want to dress up as a vast abd **** someone's brains out while meowing, that's your thing. I don't get it, but whatever. Just don't go around telling me you're dolphin kin stuck in a person's buddy and you have conversations with dolphins in your headspace.
The second exception is people who engage in sex with persons or things that do not have capacity or ability to consent. If you're attracted to children or animals or even bridges, that's fine. Acting on it is not, be it through direct action it consumption.demik really just hopes you're gay nubbs. It would crush him to think that he has no chance with you.
Mainly it's because I keep turning him down for a beehatch threesome. He just can't understand how I could be monogamous.
Post by: Sed8op8 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:30:45
Well I must say I'm glad to see so much support from people! Hopefully this can be an ongoing thread, because I would love to connect with some other queer keyboard nerds because, as clacktalk was saying, it seems we're a bit of a minority.I don't identify as gay(nor straight for that matter) but I was in a relationship with another women for a decent part of my late teens and early twenties. I'm an equal opportunity lover and hope to one day live in a world where people need not be gay or straight.yo wassup ★~(◡‿◡✿)Hello?
Its a pleasure to see another Vermonter who loves keyboards here on the forum :-*
Post by: iri on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:07:11
Why is it "not okay" to be attracted to your sister? Do you know that "not okay" goes perfectly with "to be gay"? Do you know that back in Roman Empire "not okay" was barely a thing? Who defines "not okay"?What it comes down to for me, is that people should be allowed to be who they are without fear of discrimination. I have to believe that one of the worst ways to live is pretending to be something you are not, because of fear of acceptance or personal safety. Often the ones who so staunchly profess "it is a choice, and you are choosing wrong" is because they struggle so hard to "choose right" and that must be an awful existence.
I agree with two exceptions. First is "kin" people. I work with people with schizophrenia and most of the tumblr-esque "kinfolk" I've heard sound like schizophrenics. If you want to dress up as a vast abd **** someone's brains out while meowing, that's your thing. I don't get it, but whatever. Just don't go around telling me you're dolphin kin stuck in a person's buddy and you have conversations with dolphins in your headspace.
The second exception is people who engage in sex with persons or things that do not have capacity or ability to consent. If you're attracted to children or animals or even bridges, that's fine. Acting on it is not, be it through direct action it consumption.
Agreed on the limitations...I mean, within reasonable limits. Like, no it is not okay be to attracted to your sister
(...)
I was speaking more the of the healthy forms of consent that people can give when they are of age and sound mind.
Do you know that age of consent differs wildly in different communities?
What is "sound mind"?
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:12:05
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:43:28
Sometimes sisters are pretty!
Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:12:10
As for pride events, I recognize their significance but I do believe they hurt the cause of seeking inclusion and acceptance. I am opposed to public displays of affection (by anyone of any sex or gender towards anyone), not because it bothers me but because I believe it just doesn't belong in the public realm. As you might imagine I am therefore rather opposed to the typical format of a pride parade, at least in a larger city - the nudity and sexuality goes counter to the goal of being acknowledged as functional, non-sex-crazed members of society who are in no meaningful way different from anyone else...I'm 100% straight, well, maybe 95%, but I love watching Pride Parades because they are so full of happy people. Such positive expressions of sexuality. You don't often see any other parades that are that .... well.. gay in the traditional meaning of the word as well as the modern.
What I don't like about them is that politicians are taking up such a large space in the parades, especially during election years. As if they would be afraid that people would consider them to be anti-gay if they didn't walk in the parade.
Post by: inanis on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:55:00
Why is it "not okay" to be attracted to your sister? Do you know that "not okay" goes perfectly with "to be gay"? Do you know that back in Roman Empire "not okay" was barely a thing? Who defines "not okay"?What it comes down to for me, is that people should be allowed to be who they are without fear of discrimination. I have to believe that one of the worst ways to live is pretending to be something you are not, because of fear of acceptance or personal safety. Often the ones who so staunchly profess "it is a choice, and you are choosing wrong" is because they struggle so hard to "choose right" and that must be an awful existence.
I agree with two exceptions. First is "kin" people. I work with people with schizophrenia and most of the tumblr-esque "kinfolk" I've heard sound like schizophrenics. If you want to dress up as a vast abd **** someone's brains out while meowing, that's your thing. I don't get it, but whatever. Just don't go around telling me you're dolphin kin stuck in a person's buddy and you have conversations with dolphins in your headspace.
The second exception is people who engage in sex with persons or things that do not have capacity or ability to consent. If you're attracted to children or animals or even bridges, that's fine. Acting on it is not, be it through direct action it consumption.
Agreed on the limitations...I mean, within reasonable limits. Like, no it is not okay be to attracted to your sister
(...)
I was speaking more the of the healthy forms of consent that people can give when they are of age and sound mind.
Do you know that age of consent differs wildly in different communities?
What is "sound mind"?
Didn't think that opinion would be so controversial! To clarify, I mean it is not typically considered a healthy behavior to find your biological sibling sexually attractive and want to act on it. There is a great big old difference between knowing your sibling is pretty (or handsome) and wanting to engage in physical, sexual intercourse with them. As for this the "not okay" part, I thought my intent was clear, but it certainly was not, so I will clarify. I'm all for being whatever you want to be, and being with whomever you want to be with - assuming it is a healthy relationship between to consenting individuals that are capable and able to make informed decisions. Furthermore, I did not mean to imply anything about the age of consent. It was more about being of sound mind (ie, no influence of drugs/alcohol or mental and/or physical impairment, particularly where one individual may be able to hold undo power and influence over another).
Generally, my point was that people should be able to love who they want to love.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:27:08
I liked you before trenzafeeds and I like you after this thread. To me, it's like telling me you're a Muslim or Canadian or Bisexual. We're cool all the same. Let's save the hate for those filthy Azerty and Topre lovers (I kid of course).
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:29:01
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:29:38
I dunno CPT, a bisexual white Muslim man from Toronto, Canada is a hard person to accept.
I would only find them hard to accept if they loved Topre and no other switch ;).
Post by: digi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:30:02
Let's save the hate for those filthy Azerty and Topre lovers (I kid of course).
Whoa...whoa....WHOA!!!! Easy there Pal!! Topre is looovveee!
PSA - Buckling springs are for old farts who have no feeling left in their finger tips.
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:32:03
I dunno CPT, a bisexual white Muslim man from Toronto, Canada is a hard person to accept.
I would only find them hard to accept if they loved Topre and no other switch ;).
To be fair, it's mainly the Toronto thing that makes them hard to accept.
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:34:53
I can't accept this.
Post by: inanis on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:37:27
So many dirty mx heathens in this thread.
I can't accept this.
I consider myself bi-switchual. I use both MX and BS every day. Come at me. :p
Post by: clacktalk on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:39:07
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:47:17
So many dirty mx heathens in this thread.
I can't accept this.
I consider myself bi-switchual. I use both MX and BS every day. Come at me. :p
We all have our kinks. Sometimes I like it dry, sometimes I need it nice and lubed. Sometimes I need to just hit that bottom hard, sometimes I just go slow and gentle. Sometimes you just need to use rubber, sometimes you just want to insert and push a naked stem.
I think I've used up all the sexual innuendos I could think of.
Post by: demik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:48:02
1v1 me all you heathens.
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:31:05
hang ppl who make jokemore like thisLGBTBDSMRTFMdont ur gay rights movements n stuff look like this where u come fromShow Image(http://m1.i.pbase.com/v3/43/561143/2/45207861.RussianGraveyard.jpg)
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:31:48
Hold the **** up. Topre hate I will not tolerate.
1v1 me all you heathens.
Topre... Meh...
Post by: meiosis on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:33:42
Hold the **** up. Topre hate I will not tolerate.
1v1 me all you heathens.
topre is da best
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:36:50
Hold the **** up. Topre hate I will not tolerate.
1v1 me all you heathens.
topre is da best
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Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:50:19
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:00:35
FOR LIFE
FOR LIFE
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:08:42
Honestly, I wonder why we can't just start saying "non-straight" instead of adding another letter to the acronym every year.I agree that it is a bit impractical, if we could make it non-straight, non-cis that would cover everything. There is actually a movement I believe to change it to just GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) which makes the most sense to me.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:36:12
Honestly, I wonder why we can't just start saying "non-straight" instead of adding another letter to the acronym every year.I agree that it is a bit impractical, if we could make it non-straight, non-cis that would cover everything. There is actually a movement I believe to change it to just GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) which makes the most sense to me.
GSM could be tough, the cell phone industry already has that acronym cornered.
Post by: clacktalk on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:39:13
Honestly, I wonder why we can't just start saying "non-straight" instead of adding another letter to the acronym every year.I agree that it is a bit impractical, if we could make it non-straight, non-cis that would cover everything. There is actually a movement I believe to change it to just GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) which makes the most sense to me.
GSM could be tough, the cell phone industry already has that acronym cornered.
something along those lines beats a title that describes a group through exclusion though
let's meet halfway and have the world agree on Sexual and Gender Minorities
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:43:08
OK, well if we have clacktalk's approval the changeover should go quite smoothly.Honestly, I wonder why we can't just start saying "non-straight" instead of adding another letter to the acronym every year.I agree that it is a bit impractical, if we could make it non-straight, non-cis that would cover everything. There is actually a movement I believe to change it to just GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) which makes the most sense to me.
GSM could be tough, the cell phone industry already has that acronym cornered.
something along those lines beats a title that describes a group through exclusion though
let's meet halfway and have the world agree on Sexual and Gender Minorities
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:47:58
Honestly, I wonder why we can't just start saying "non-straight" instead of adding another letter to the acronym every year.I agree that it is a bit impractical, if we could make it non-straight, non-cis that would cover everything. There is actually a movement I believe to change it to just GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) which makes the most sense to me.
GSM could be tough, the cell phone industry already has that acronym cornered.
something along those lines beats a title that describes a group through exclusion though
let's meet halfway and have the world agree on Sexual and Gender Minorities
I'll support anything that makes the conservative members of my family squirm when they hear it.
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 26 August 2015, 02:31:31
but how about that recogniseabilityHonestly, I wonder why we can't just start saying "non-straight" instead of adding another letter to the acronym every year.I agree that it is a bit impractical, if we could make it non-straight, non-cis that would cover everything. There is actually a movement I believe to change it to just GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) which makes the most sense to me.
everyone knows what at least lgbt means
change it to msg or some **** it's gonna take an early retirement and a couple billion campaign ads to make sure like 7 people are aware of the switch
Post by: iri on Wed, 26 August 2015, 05:48:36
it is not typically considered a healthy behavior to find your biological sibling sexually attractive and want to act on it. There is a great big old difference between knowing your sibling is pretty (or handsome) and wanting to engage in physical, sexual intercourse with them.it is not typically considered a healthy behavior to find a person of the same gender sexually attractive and want to act on it. There is a great big old difference between knowing a person of the same gender is pretty (or handsome) and wanting to engage in physical, sexual intercourse with them.
Post by: sth on Wed, 26 August 2015, 05:51:15
it is not typically considered a healthy behavior to find your biological sibling sexually attractive and want to act on it. There is a great big old difference between knowing your sibling is pretty (or handsome) and wanting to engage in physical, sexual intercourse with them.it is not typically considered a healthy behavior to find a person of the same gender sexually attractive and want to act on it. There is a great big old difference between knowing a person of the same gender is pretty (or handsome) and wanting to engage in physical, sexual intercourse with them.
why
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 26 August 2015, 06:24:13
it is not typically considered a healthy behavior to find your biological sibling sexually attractive and want to act on it. There is a great big old difference between knowing your sibling is pretty (or handsome) and wanting to engage in physical, sexual intercourse with them.it is not typically considered a healthy behavior to find a person of the same gender sexually attractive and want to act on it. There is a great big old difference between knowing a person of the same gender is pretty (or handsome) and wanting to engage in physical, sexual intercourse with them.
Wait, so you see incest as on par with homosexuality?
Post by: iri on Wed, 26 August 2015, 06:35:37
Post by: kishy on Wed, 26 August 2015, 08:33:38
I am not in favour of incest, but the same logic that allows sex without procreation between two consenting adults of different sex/gender AND also allows sex between two consenting adults of the same gender also allows sex without procreation between two consenting adults of the same family.
As soon as procreation is involved, incest is objectively (not just subjectively according to societal rules) wrong.
Post by: inanis on Wed, 26 August 2015, 08:37:11
I will say this - I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions and can feel however they want. I feel my way, you feel yours. If that is the same, that's cool. If that is different, that is cool too. What I was expressing was my opinion, I do not have any control over society as a whole.
Let love rule and all that.
Post by: azhdar on Wed, 26 August 2015, 08:40:03
Post by: demik on Wed, 26 August 2015, 08:41:16
Post by: kishy on Wed, 26 August 2015, 08:44:06
Oh geez. This went somewhere I did not expect it to go.
I will say this - I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions and can feel however they want. I feel my way, you feel yours. If that is the same, that's cool. If that is different, that is cool too. What I was expressing was my opinion, I do not have any control over society as a whole.
Let love rule and all that.
That's what happens when you bring a lot of people of different backgrounds, different intelligence levels, different life experiences and different personal beliefs to discuss a polarizing topic.
This whole topic ultimately comes back to one essential concept - are we living our lives to fulfill our biological purpose or are we living our lives for our enjoyment and experience?
In modern society we are doing the latter, and so long as it is not done in a harmful way, there's nothing wrong with that...
Post by: inanis on Wed, 26 August 2015, 08:51:19
Oh geez. This went somewhere I did not expect it to go.
I will say this - I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions and can feel however they want. I feel my way, you feel yours. If that is the same, that's cool. If that is different, that is cool too. What I was expressing was my opinion, I do not have any control over society as a whole.
Let love rule and all that.
That's what happens when you bring a lot of people of different backgrounds, different intelligence levels, different life experiences and different personal beliefs to discuss a polarizing topic.
This whole topic ultimately comes back to one essential concept - are we living our lives to fulfill our biological purpose or are we living our lives for our enjoyment and experience?
In modern society we are doing the latter, and so long as it is not done in a harmful way, there's nothing wrong with that...
Much agreed good sir. :)
Post by: iri on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:05:50
As soon as procreation is involved, incest is objectively (not just subjectively according to societal rules) wrong.As soon as procreaction is involved, same sex couples are wrong.
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:11:27
As soon as procreation is involved, incest is objectively (not just subjectively according to societal rules) wrong.As soon as procreaction is involved, same sex couples are wrong.
This thread is producing amazing statements
Post by: demik on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:13:50
But he's right.As soon as procreation is involved, incest is objectively (not just subjectively according to societal rules) wrong.As soon as procreaction is involved, same sex couples are wrong.
This thread is producing amazing statements
The church's main argument against gay marriage is that they can't procreate. So let's starts taking away marriage licenses to infertile couples. Also, test tube babies are against god's will. So, no marriage for those going that route.
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:25:05
But he's right.As soon as procreation is involved, incest is objectively (not just subjectively according to societal rules) wrong.As soon as procreaction is involved, same sex couples are wrong.
This thread is producing amazing statements
The church's main argument against gay marriage is that they can't procreate. So let's starts taking away marriage licenses to infertile couples. Also, test tube babies are against god's will. So, no marriage for those going that route.
Also, if the main reason for marriage is procreation, older, still virile men should not be allowed to marry women who have gone through menopause or going through menopause.
That's mainly the Catholic church that holds the procreation argument. Most other churches make the "because it's gross" argument or point to the old testament, ignoring that the scriptures they so happily quote also ban divorce, state that you should marry your rapist, ban the wearing of mixed material clothing, tell women to keep their heads covered in church, tell women to be subservient to their man, and so on.
Post by: demik on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:51:19
But he's right.As soon as procreation is involved, incest is objectively (not just subjectively according to societal rules) wrong.As soon as procreaction is involved, same sex couples are wrong.
This thread is producing amazing statements
The church's main argument against gay marriage is that they can't procreate. So let's starts taking away marriage licenses to infertile couples. Also, test tube babies are against god's will. So, no marriage for those going that route.
Also, if the main reason for marriage is procreation, older, still virile men should not be allowed to marry women who have gone through menopause or going through menopause.
That's mainly the Catholic church that holds the procreation argument. Most other churches make the "because it's gross" argument or point to the old testament, ignoring that the scriptures they so happily quote also ban divorce, state that you should marry your rapist, ban the wearing of mixed material clothing, tell women to keep their heads covered in church, tell women to be subservient to their man, and so on.
You mean there is hypocrisy in religion? Get out of here!
Post by: kishy on Wed, 26 August 2015, 11:17:23
As soon as procreation is involved, incest is objectively (not just subjectively according to societal rules) wrong.As soon as procreaction is involved, same sex couples are wrong.
This is not sound logic because procreation is not possible between two same sex people, therefore same sex couples cannot be wrong in the same way that incest resulting in pregnancy is wrong.
What can be inferred from what you're saying is that you believe sex for the sole purpose of enjoyment is wrong, and any time sex happens without the sincere intent of resulting in pregnancy is wrong. I do not agree with this.
Furthermore: you are neglecting to address the situation (which absolutely does occur) where two people of the same sex are involved in a relationship of the same nature as one might find in a marriage except that sex itself does not take place. You're trying to invalidate the emotional relationship due to not believing the physical relationship is valid.
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 26 August 2015, 12:21:56
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:24:02
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:30:49
why is there talk about incest in here what the ****Someone asked "If the gays can marry, why can't me and my sister?"
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:53:59
what evenwhy is there talk about incest in here what the ****Someone asked "If the gays can marry, why can't me and my sister?"
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:54:52
I mean not literally, it was marginally more reasonable sounding than that I thinkwhat evenwhy is there talk about incest in here what the ****Someone asked "If the gays can marry, why can't me and my sister?"
Post by: Lord of Narwhals on Sat, 12 September 2015, 08:52:24
How can you like and or be friends with someone who fundamental thinks that you are below/less than them?Sexist men can have wives you know.
Marriage has a religious connotation, even if non religious myself, I can't possibly accept they're using this term.Marriage is older than modern religion.
Adoption is trickier in my mind, while I think 2 loving gay parents is better than a ****ty hetero family, the kid will loose the balance mom/dad that I found very important. I'm not quite sure about adoption yet.
My parents both left the church when they were in their twenties (in Sweden you used to become a member of the church just by being born) and their wedding didn't have a priest, there was no mention of a god during the ceremonies, and it did not take place in a church.
Are my parents not married then?
Because according to the Christian "marriage is religion" argument they are not. And what about other religions? Do you view a Hindu marriage as a marriage?
I live in a country that's 71% agnostic/atheist so the religious argument has never made much sense to me. I get that some people marry to "get closer to God" but most people marry simply because they love their significant other.
All couples that are fit for it should be allowed to adopt. I think the adopted would just be glad to have a family.
Now the problem today is not that gays can marry and that there are a bunch of (lol not really that many) whatever-kin.
The problem is that a lot of people still take sex way too seriously. This whole "sex is a sin unless you do it after marriage and to get (someone) pregnant"-mentality really has got to go!
People mostly do it because it's fun; and if no one's hurt in the process then I don't see how that's a problem. I guess that's why the incest debate always comes up when talking about LGBTQ+ and IMO the same reasoning applies there. It's not something that I'd ever do but if other people want to then who am I to judge.
I might as well state that I'm a straight white male. I do wish that I, and everyone else, was bi though because then there would be a lot more fish in the sea but unfortunately that's not the case.
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 12 September 2015, 09:00:53
I do wish that I, and everyone else, was bi though because then there would be a lot more fish in the sea but unfortunately that's not the case.how about pan -.3-.
Post by: Lord of Narwhals on Sat, 12 September 2015, 09:19:47
Pan would be nice too.I do wish that I, and everyone else, was bi though because then there would be a lot more fish in the sea but unfortunately that's not the case.how about pan -.3-.
Post by: demik on Sat, 12 September 2015, 12:35:22
Don't need any more people to reject me.
Ayyy
I'm so lonely ;_;
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 12 September 2015, 13:17:21
I realize that this is a bit of a necrobump but whatever.
No, that's awesome! I love to see this thread alive again.
Post by: tbc on Sat, 12 September 2015, 13:26:23
I realize that this is a bit of a necrobump but whatever.How can you like and or be friends with someone who fundamental thinks that you are below/less than them?Sexist men can have wives you know.Marriage has a religious connotation, even if non religious myself, I can't possibly accept they're using this term.Marriage is older than modern religion.
Adoption is trickier in my mind, while I think 2 loving gay parents is better than a ****ty hetero family, the kid will loose the balance mom/dad that I found very important. I'm not quite sure about adoption yet.
My parents both left the church when they were in their twenties (in Sweden you used to become a member of the church just by being born) and their wedding didn't have a priest, there was no mention of a god during the ceremonies, and it did not take place in a church.
Are my parents not married then?
Because according to the Christian "marriage is religion" argument they are not. And what about other religions? Do you view a Hindu marriage as a marriage?
I live in a country that's 71% agnostic/atheist so the religious argument has never made much sense to me. I get that some people marry to "get closer to God" but most people marry simply because they love their significant other.
All couples that are fit for it should be allowed to adopt. I think the adopted would just be glad to have a family.
Now the problem today is not that gays can marry and that there are a bunch of (lol not really that many) whatever-kin.
The problem is that a lot of people still take sex way too seriously. This whole "sex is a sin unless you do it after marriage and to get (someone) pregnant"-mentality really has got to go!
People mostly do it because it's fun; and if no one's hurt in the process then I don't see how that's a problem. I guess that's why the incest debate always comes up when talking about LGBTQ+ and IMO the same reasoning applies there. It's not something that I'd ever do but if other people want to then who am I to judge.
I might as well state that I'm a straight white male. I do wish that I, and everyone else, was bi though because then there would be a lot more fish in the sea but unfortunately that's not the case.
well, if it makes you feel better, no christian that can get laid actually believes in the 'sex is for kids' thing.
it's a participation* ribbon thing to make some people feel better when they can't get any.
source: private christian schools across the entire western world and the phillipines
*ironically, it's a ribbon for lack of participation xD
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 12 September 2015, 13:31:21
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 13 September 2015, 03:18:38
I figured I'd see if any other geekhackers are queer like me!
I'm transgender.
Come at me iri.
Post by: jd29 on Sun, 13 September 2015, 04:32:21
Yeah no on the bi thing.
Don't need any more people to reject me.
Ayyy
I'm so lonely ;_;
You'd be casting a wider net. For example most women refuse to be with a guy not taller than she is, but I imagine most men don't care so much.