Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 03 September 2015, 00:10:43
So anyway, post up the list of keyboards you've tried, be as detailed or simple as you want, switch types, caps, leds, layouts, likes, dislikes, general impressions all up to you.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 03 September 2015, 00:10:52
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 03 September 2015, 00:16:37
Quickfire TK -MX blues
Corsair K70 - MX reds
Pure - MX Greens
Unitek K151L - MX blacks
Focus FK-8000 - MX-compatible Futaba
Model M
Model F
Poker II - MX clears
FC660 - MX clears
Realforce 87ub
Cherry 3700 - MX blacks
B.87 - 67g MX blacks
Dolch - MX blues
QFR - MX browns
KMAC I - ergo clears
The Cheat - MX browns
Xerox 928xxxxx - maxi switch vintage linears
G81-3000 - Cherry MY
Omnikey 101 - white alps
Apple M0110a - tee alps
Apple M0116 - salmon alps?
Random magnetic reed switch keypad
456GT - 67g MX clears
Logitech G410 - Romer-G
TGR-Jane - 65g MX Clears
MX1800 L3 - Gateron Blues
RS78 - hirose oranges
Probably forgetting something I'm sure
Post by: digi on Thu, 03 September 2015, 00:17:41
Post by: raymogi on Thu, 03 September 2015, 00:25:39
Razer Deathstalker Ultimate
HHKB Pro 2
Realforce 87U 55g
Poker 2
Apple Bluetooth Keyboard (LOL)
Post by: fknraiden on Thu, 03 September 2015, 00:29:36
Filco TKL browns
Filco 104 brown.
Poker 2 brown
Poker 2 clear
V60 brown
Razer TE orange
Razer OG blues
Logitech g710+ brown
PURE
Leopold f660 brown/topre
Ducky shine
Das 2 blues
Das 4c brown
SteelSeries 6gv2 black
GON crystal tkl blacks
Duck lightsaver v2 clears/grey
Wyse blacks
Leopold novatouch
Realforce 87ub
Ibm 1391401
IBM 1391472
Corsair k65 red
Righthand maltron
Jd40 blacks
And probably more
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 03 September 2015, 00:53:06
Das 3 by Costar
Realforce
IBM F XT
IBM F AT current
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 03 September 2015, 04:16:33
- QFR Mx Red ANSI: no like ansi, no like Red for typing (sold)
- Poker2 mx black: typing ok,but stock black not very good, not programmable enough (sold)
- FaceU with Wyse mx black: love this board, I just don't have the keycaps to fill it atm (1.25 bottom row)
- Nerd60 62g Clears (stock poker case): Love it, my current mobile board, set up with a bottom row I can fill will my azerty, Gon NerdGui is fantastic, I'll need to find a beautifull case and fix pingy spacebar one day.
- RS96 65g gateron clears: love it, was my main board untill very recently, I'm not huge fan of lightsaver layout, but acrylic case feel very nice.
- G80-5000 Vintage browns: Best typing experience on a keyboard, vintage browns are the ****, only problem with this board is it's so good I'm afraid to ruin it, so I stopped using it. I'll take it out of the closet soon
- LZ-SQ Gateron black: My new main board, love everything about it, best layout, best design, great typing experience with a sturdy plate. I'll soon fill my second pcb/plate with vintage browns, to enhance the typing experience.
- Poker2 mx blue (not mine): tried for a week, clicky is the great typing experience but the sound is annoying.
- Novatouch silenced with spicebar method (not mine) : great board, I'm considering buying one, but would have no use for it. I tried it before the silencing, the sound was annoying.
- HHKB 55G silenced (not mine): feels bad, really not my thing.
- Various G81 with my whites: terrible,only good to harvest caps
Post by: joey on Thu, 03 September 2015, 04:30:26
Atomic clears (enjoy clears, don't enjoy layout)
Ducky Zero Shine browns (don't enjoy browns)
WASD v2 blacks (not mine)
IBM Model M (not mine)
Post by: sth on Thu, 03 September 2015, 04:43:08
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 03 September 2015, 04:52:32
I'm just gonna wait for JD to post. :))
Filco x 100? :P
Post by: chyros on Thu, 03 September 2015, 04:53:08
Acer 6312-TW (Acer switch) x4
Acer KB-101A (Alps SKCM Blue)
Amstrad 8256 (Amstrad spring over membrane)
Amstrad 8512 (Amstrad spring over membrane)
Apple Aluminium Keyboard (chiclet)
Apple Extended Keyboard (Alps SKCM Salmon)
Apple Extended Keyboard II (Alps SKCM Ivory)
Cherry G80-3000 HFMGB (Cherry MX Blue)
Cherry G80-3000 LPMGB (Cherry MX Black) x 3
Chicony KB-5162F (Alps SKCM White)
Chicony KB-5981 (SMK Alps mount "Monterey")
Dell AT101 GYUM97SK (Alps SKCM Black/Early)
Dell AT101 GYUM95SK (Alps SKCM Black/Late)
Dell AT101W GYUM90SK (Alps SKCM Black/Late) x 4-5
Focus FK-2002
Focus FK-8000
Fujitsu FKB4700 (Fujitsu Peerless)
Hi-Tek 725 (NMB Hi-Tek white linear)
IBM Model M part 1370477 (IBM membrane buckling springs)
IBM Model M part 1391406 (IBM membrane buckling springs) x 5
IBM Model M part 1388032 industrial (IBM membrane buckling springs)
IBM Model M2 (IBM membrane buckling springs) x 3
NMB RT-8255C+ (NMB Hi-Tek black clicky)
NTC KB-6152EA (Alps SKCM White)
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And about a dozen dome-with-slider keyboards, a few assorted rubber dome boards, etc.
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 03 September 2015, 06:04:01
:D
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 03 September 2015, 06:51:26
* Fujitsu Peerless
* OKI "Gourd spring"
* Silenced Topre
* Fujitsu leaf-spring
* Logitech Omron ROMER-G
* Alps buckling spring
* Any two-step switch
* Marquardt Butterfly
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 03 September 2015, 06:55:55
i wish i could remember all of them :(
Seriously. I've been very fortunate enough to have been able to try tons of stuff. I will say I've realized I have a glaring hole in not having tried or played with many Space Invader boards.
Post by: sth on Thu, 03 September 2015, 06:57:05
i wish i could remember all of them :(
Seriously. I've been very fortunate enough to have been able to try tons of stuff. I will say I've realized I have a glaring hole in not having tried or played with many Space Invader boards.
Meetups are one of the big reasons I can't remember - one, because people bring tons of stuff (especially HaaTa :P) and two, i usually get drunk after the meetups... so i can't always recall EVERYTHING i tried that day
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 03 September 2015, 06:57:57
Post by: sth on Thu, 03 September 2015, 06:59:56
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 03 September 2015, 07:01:48
the one that ALWAYS stands out to me is the burroughs opto-electric board. i will never forget it and i will never feel a better switch :(
For me it's Marquardt Butterfly and Beamspring
Post by: mason on Thu, 03 September 2015, 07:36:22
Leopold FC200RT/AB - Cherry MX Brown
Poker 2 - Cherry MX Clear
Unicomp 122 key - Buckling Springs
Dolch G80-1813 - Vintage MX Blues
HHKB Pro 2 Type-S - Topre
Cherry G80-1800 - Cherry MX Black
not that many lol
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 03 September 2015, 08:06:33
I'm just gonna wait for JD to post. :))
Wow, I will have to think about this one. :)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 03 September 2015, 08:12:47
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 03 September 2015, 08:19:02
JD just post what you haven't tried
QSENN DT35
Beamspring
Hall Effect
Alps Brown
Several Korean customs...
:D
Post by: demik on Thu, 03 September 2015, 08:22:26
Filco - blacks
Leopold - blues
Leopold - reds
Dk saver - ergo clears
Ssk - BS
Cherry 2100 - cherry bruise
Kmac - greens
Rf 87u - 55g topre
Hhkb - 45g
Pure - whites
Duck eagle - stock clears
Eh those are all the diff switches. Naming all boards will be a waste since it's just the same switch in a different case.
Post by: keshley on Thu, 03 September 2015, 08:35:47
Focus FK-2001 x2
IBM Model M x some large number I'm sure
HHKB Pro 2 x2
HHKB Lite
Various Dells
Pok3r (MX Brown)
Apple Standard Keyboard x a bunch
Apple Extended Keyboard x a few
IBM Model M2
Razer Blackwidow Tournament (2014) (Kailh Green)
Ducky Zero DK2108S (MX Black)
Logitech G15
Logitech G13
Razer Orbweaver (Kailh Green)
MS Natural Keyboard x2
MS Natural Keyboard Elite x2
A couple of MX Red boards... made by CM maybe?
Variety of scissor switch boards
Tandy something or other...
Commodore 64 x a few
Apple IIe
Apple Wireless Keyboard 1st Gen
That's about all that I can remember. There were some keyboards on video editing machines too, but I don't remember brands at all.
Post by: Neo.X on Thu, 03 September 2015, 15:49:34
Stock MX
Green
Clear
Brown
Red
Blue
Black
White
Mod MX
62g Clear
55g Black
55g vintage Brown
Stock ALPS
Simple White
Matias Quiet
Stock Topre
Var
all 45G
all 55G
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 03 September 2015, 15:58:28
All alps.
Most of Cherry and Cherry clones, expect the heavier stuff.
And more rubber dome than I can fathom.
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 03 September 2015, 16:00:26
Model M
Model M4-1
cheap Chinese mechanical w/ Red Kailh
cheap Chinese mechanical w/ stock MX Clears
QFR w/ MX Blues
Ducky DK1087 w/ MX Blues
Ducky YOTD w/ MX Blues
Poker (original) w/ MX Blues
Poker II w/ MX Blues
TG3-BL82 w/ MX Blacks (with and without splashguard)
Compaq MX11900 w/ MX Browns
SiiG Minitouch w/ White XMs
Focus KeyPro FK9000 w/ white ALPS
Chichony 5161 w/ white ALPS (exact type unknown)
Apple M0116 w/ Salmon ALPS
CM NovaTouch 45g Topre
I'm sure there's more but that's all I can remember off the top of my head atm...
generic rubber domes not mentioned
Post by: digi on Thu, 03 September 2015, 16:01:24
JD just post what you haven't tried
:)) :)) Much better idea
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 03 September 2015, 18:35:46
Model F
Model M
Model M4-1
cheap Chinese mechanical w/ Red Kailh
cheap Chinese mechanical w/ stock MX Clears
QFR w/ MX Blues
Ducky DK1087 w/ MX Blues
Ducky YOTD w/ MX Blues
Poker (original) w/ MX Blues
Poker II w/ MX Blues
TG3-BL82 w/ MX Blacks (with and without splashguard)
Compaq MX11900 w/ MX Browns
SiiG Minitouch w/ White XMs
Focus KeyPro FK9000 w/ white ALPS
Chichony 5161 w/ white ALPS (exact type unknown)
Apple M0116 w/ Salmon ALPS
CM NovaTouch 45g Topre
I'm sure there's more but that's all I can remember off the top of my head atm...
generic rubber domes not mentioned
Pretty sure that G80-11900 only came with Blacks. The G80-18000 came with Browns.
Post by: Magna224 on Thu, 03 September 2015, 19:22:25
Cherry G80-8200 (MX Clear)
Cherry G80-8113 (MX Clear)
Cherry G80-8200 (MX Brown)
Focus FK2001 (Blue ALPS)
Focus FK2001 (Simplified White ALPS)
SIIG Minitouch (Simplified White ALPS)
Noppoo Choc Mini (MX Black)
Dell AT101 (Simplified Black ALPS)
Model M (Buckling spring)
NMB 101 ( Tactile Space Invaders)
Packard Bell Branded 101 key (Clicky Futaba)
Ducky 1087XM (Clicky Simplified ALPS)
Realforce 103UB (55g Topre)
TG3 BL82 (MX Clear)
Chicony KB-5161 (White Cherry clones)
Ortek MCK-84 (Fukka ALPS)
Forward Electronics Keyboard (Complicated white ALPS)
Chicony KB-5591 (Monterey Blue)
Poker (MX Brown)
Poker (Ergo Clear)
Cherry G80-1000 (Vintage MX Black)
Wyse WY60 (MX Black)
Wang 724 (Complicated Black ALPS)
Mitsumi Keypad (Green tactile Mitsumi)
Apple M3501 (Dampened ALPS)
Keypad (Complicated white ALPS)
Quickfire Rapid (MX Blue)
Apple M3501 (Pink ALPS)
Mini Keyboard (MEI)
SIIG Suntouch Jr (Complicated white ALPS)
Post by: opensecret on Fri, 04 September 2015, 00:36:58
1950s: Royal Portable Manual Typewriter (belonged to my dad), Underwood manual office typewriter; Smith-Corona portable electric (like the one pictured under my username; that one got me through college and graduate school)
1960s and 1970s: The Smith Corona, then IBM electric and IBM selectric typewriters
1980s: keyboard on the original Osborne luggable (had a couple of those); Leading Edge keyboard (nice board; sorry I don’t still have it); whatever came with PC’s from Dell and Gateway, and my first Northgate Omnikey (I fell in love).
1990s: More Omnikeys, Avant Stellar (Omnikey knockoff, but not as good), 2 or 3 Thinkpad keyboards
2000s: Mostly Omnikeys except for Thinkpads and an iMac board.
2010s: See list below of current boards
Post by: mrdar206 on Fri, 04 September 2015, 01:00:31
Dell At 101 W alps black
IBM model M/ IBM SSK
V60 alps
Poker 2 Stock black/ Black custom with stock clear spring
Kmac 1 Clear 59g
Kmac 1.2 Custom vintage black - 62g
Kmac 2 custom vintage black 59g
Kmac happy Custom clear - 59g
The Cheat custom black 62g
The Cheat custom clear 59g
456gt custom vintage black 62g
360C custom black 60g sprit gold spring
356mini custom clear 62g
Duck poker/38gt custom clear 59g/ custom black 59g
DK saver custom vintage brown 55g
Post by: Tuha0jin on Fri, 04 September 2015, 03:01:20
HHKB Pro 2
Ducky Zero TKL DK2087
Filco Zero TKL
Ducky Mini
KBC Poker 2
Pok3r
IBM Model M
IBM Industrial SSK
Unicomp Ultra Classic
Ducky Shine 3 Tuhaojin
Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Evil Geniuses
And my custom 60% keyboard with Gateron Clears on modifier keys and Greetech Brown on the rest
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 04 September 2015, 06:04:15
? - a terminal keyboard that was really, really nice, can't remember what it was now
? - another terminal keyboard that was not as nice, some of the keys stuck a bit (on lots of different terminals)
Televideo 9xx terminal - kinda ok, but old, reasonable feel for its age
IBM probably beamspring - extremely heavy, extremely loud, connected to an old, heavy IBM terminal of questionable origin
NEC APC H4100E - one of my all time favourite keyboards, and one that I learned many of my programming skills using
VZ200 chicklet - no comment
Commodore 64 - a classic, but I seem to recall I didn't like the feel much
System 80 - ok, kinda plain, another one that I learned a lot of my programming skills using
Apple ][ - ok, can't remember much about it now
Apple ][c - seemed a bit small, although that might have just been the computer size back in the day
? - some really old HP terminal, very old keyboard, good feel for its age
HP 700/96 terminal - sticky keys, still got one of those terminals at work
VT220 terminal - nice big keyboard, but rubber dome, average
VT420 terminal - see VT220
Sun type 5 - nice square keys, good colours, keys were a bit sticky though
Link terminal - MX blacks - not vintage (according to the logos on the switches), but buttery smooth, still got that one and still use it
Apple white keyboard - broken space bar, so I didn't like it from the start, collected dirt inside the transparent case
Apple black keyboard - better than the white one, but very mushy
Apple aluminium keyboard - o for scissor switches, but one of the little bastards keep giving me little electric shocks
Ducky Shine 1 - MX blues, red backlighting, my first modern mechanical keyboard, very nice
Ducky Shine 1 - MX blues, green backlighting, see above, the green backlighting is nice
Ducky Shine 3 Yellow Edition - MX blacks, orange backlighting, feels gritty, the backlighting is orange to me, not yellow, disappoint, using it at work atm
QFR - MX black, nice and smooth, branded case, but doesn't bother me
QFS - MX green, fantastic, good clicky action, unbranded black case
CM Trigger - MX blues, broken (bought for repair or parts, still on my list of things to do, kinda works sometimes)
HHKB 2 Pro, white - most excellent, nice layout, very thock
Model M full size - * 2 pretty much the same, good solid feel, one is a bit inconsistent (rivets?)
Model M SSK - * 2 pretty much the same, Esc doesn't click on one, modifiers stick a bit on the other, good keyboards (using one to type this)
KeyCool 87 - MX red, whiter than white case and PBT keycaps, looks great, switches way too soft
IBM something rubber dome - good feel for a RD keyboard, managed to find a nib one somewhere, then threw it out
innumerable Dell rubber dome keyboard - meh
innumerable other generic rubber dome keyboard, some average, some bad, some absolutely atrocious
iPad onscreen keyboard - very light feel, no tactile feedback, reasonably spaces keys though, usable in an emergency
Digital something - rubber dome keyboard, but almost feels like a cross between Thorpe and MX red, very good as far as RD keyboards go (SO using it now)
CODE TKL - MX clear, newest keyboard, the switches are about the first ones I don't bottom out all the time, liking it so far!
There's probably a few more, but as far as memorable (and not so memorable) keyboards go, that's most of them. I'll update this if I can remember any more of them.
Edit 08-Sep-2015: added the CODE TKL MX clear
Post by: keshley on Fri, 04 September 2015, 07:04:12
Sun type 5 - nice square keys, good colours, keys were a bit sticky though
Oh, I totally forgot about all the Sun keyboards I've used... that takes me back a bit.
I used whatever would have come with an Ultra 10, 60, 80, and the old Sun Blade 100s. I think they all used the same keyboard, but the Sun Blade's matched the bluish color of the case. And probably USB. I don't remember them typing bad, but I do remember them having Control in its proper location between Tab and Shift.
Post by: edb5s on Fri, 04 September 2015, 07:16:34
1. TT eSPORTS Poseidon Z (proprietary "blue" switches)
2. Poker II - Blues
Just got the Poker and I'm loving it. The actual MX cherry switches are a noticeable step up in quality from the ones on my first keyboard. Looking to purchase something with browns or clears next to try that out.
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 04 September 2015, 07:38:34
2. Poker II - MX Black
3. Model F AT
4. KUL ES-87 - MX Red
5. LYN B.87 -Gateron Black
6. *TX1800 -Zealio Purple* One day... :(
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 04 September 2015, 07:48:45
Poker II with clears
Ergodox with clears
Ergodox with ergoclears
Hhkb pro 2 45g
BFace with **** lube new blacks
RF87 55g uniform
Duck Octagon with vintage clears
Duck viper with a mix of tactile linear and clicky
Duck viper with vintage lubed blacks
Cheat with ergoclears
BFace with lubed ergoclears
B87 with ergoclears
Koala with ergoclears
Ergodox with clears again
KMAC Mini with blues
KMAC Mini with greens
KMAC happy with 60g ergoclears
Duck Poker v2 with whites
360c with ergoclears
Old white alps board
Dolch PAC vintage blues
Dolch PAC vintage light spring blues
G80-3100 nib blacks, pretty nice but not vintage level
Desko MY board
Orange alps
K70 with browns
Post by: Shaussman on Fri, 04 September 2015, 09:46:56
Filco Majestouch 2 MX blue
Razer Blackwidow 2013 MX blue
Quickfire XT MX green
Corsair K70 MX red
TT Esports Poseidon Z Kailh blue
Not a ton, really. I'll probably pick up one of those Data911 boards soon so I have something small to carry around.
Post by: snarfarlarkus on Tue, 08 September 2015, 01:08:05
Corsair K90, K95
Steelseries 7G
IBM Model M 1390131
IBM Model F AT
IBM Model F XT
RF 87U 55G
Post by: Thumper_ on Tue, 08 September 2015, 01:13:19
Poker 2 browns
Ducky shine 3 tkl red
B.87 reds, browns, cleaRs, blacks, blue
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 08 September 2015, 06:00:56
First post here.
1. TT eSPORTS Poseidon Z (proprietary "blue" switches)
2. Poker II - Blues
Just got the Poker and I'm loving it. The actual MX cherry switches are a noticeable step up in quality from the ones on my first keyboard. Looking to purchase something with browns or clears next to try that out.
Welcome to Geekhack!
I can recommend clears, as I am quite enjoying typing on my new CODE keyboard :)
Post by: bocahgundul on Tue, 08 September 2015, 06:29:58
Leopold fc750r hate it
hhkb pro 2 **** IM GONNA JIZZ RITE NOW ITS JUST SO GOOD
Post by: apolotary on Tue, 08 September 2015, 07:03:12
v60 Cherry MX Green
Filco Minila Cherry MX Blue
Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry MX Blue
Cherry G80-11900 with Blacks
Ducky Shine Mini Cherry MX Brown
Leopold FC660C
Realforce 86u
Matias Mini Quiet Pro
Matias Mini Tactile Pro
Some strongman keyboard with Black Alps
Some Japanese keyboard with buckling springs whose manufacturer I don't really remember
Things I typed on in local shops:
HHKB Lite
HHKB Pro2
HHKB Pro2 type-S
Realforce 87u
Century Black Pawn with mixed switches
Filco Majestouch TKL with Browns
Some Razer crap
Post by: Tuntematon on Thu, 17 September 2015, 13:17:14
I'm going to try this by order used if my memory can serve me. I'll leave out the different model Ms I've found as well as all of the keyboards I have only tried at a store or someones house.
Cherry G80-8200 (MX Clear)
Cherry G80-8113 (MX Clear)
Cherry G80-8200 (MX Brown)
Focus FK2001 (Blue ALPS)
Focus FK2001 (Simplified White ALPS)
SIIG Minitouch (Simplified White ALPS)
Noppoo Choc Mini (MX Black)
Dell AT101 (Simplified Black ALPS)
Model M (Buckling spring)
NMB 101 ( Tactile Space Invaders)
Packard Bell Branded 101 key (Clicky Futaba)
Ducky 1087XM (Clicky Simplified ALPS)
Realforce 103UB (55g Topre)
TG3 BL82 (MX Clear)
Chicony KB-5161 (White Cherry clones)
Ortek MCK-84 (Fukka ALPS)
Forward Electronics Keyboard (Complicated white ALPS)
Chicony KB-5591 (Monterey Blue)
Poker (MX Brown)
Poker (Ergo Clear)
Cherry G80-1000 (Vintage MX Black)
Wyse WY60 (MX Black)
Wang 724 (Complicated Black ALPS)
Mitsumi Keypad (Green tactile Mitsumi)
Apple M3501 (Dampened ALPS)
Keypad (Complicated white ALPS)
Quickfire Rapid (MX Blue)
Apple M3501 (Pink ALPS)
Mini Keyboard (MEI)
SIIG Suntouch Jr (Complicated white ALPS)
Nice selection there, do you have a favourite?
Post by: njbair on Thu, 17 September 2015, 15:33:02
I own every keyboard I've tried, so here they are in the order they happen to be stacked on my shelves...
Ducky Shine III, MX blues
IBM Model M 1391401
Noppoo EC108-Pro, 45g
IBM Model M SSK
Cherry G81-3000 (bought it for the case)
Unitek K-258, white Alps
Varmilo VA87MR, Gateron blacks
Dolch PAC 1800, MX blues
Unicomp PC-122
Cherry G80-1800, MX blacks
AEKII, dampened cream Alps
Apple IIGS keyboard, orange Alps
IBM Model M-122
Infinity keyboard, standard layout, MX browns
Infinity keyboard, hacker layout, Matias Quiet Clicks
Custom Alps 60% (hasu PCB & nubbinator plate), orange Alps harvested from a IIGS
Post by: zzyjayfree on Sat, 19 September 2015, 01:11:15
Cherry G3800 Black
Post by: b3Rz3Rko on Mon, 21 September 2015, 23:33:27
Compaq MX - MX Brown
Wyse W50 - Vintage MX Black
Cherry G80-8113 - MX Clear and MX Brown
Corsair K70 - MX Red
Thermaltake Poseidon Z - Khail Blue
Razer BlackWidow - MX Blue and Razer (Khail) Green
Ergodox - MX Green and MX Brown
Unfortunately all of them are MX or MX clone, I'm on the lookout for alternative switches in the near future.
Post by: czarek on Tue, 22 September 2015, 07:40:17
Filco MJ2 87 with browns
Filco MJ2 104 with blues
CM QFR with reds
Cherry G80 2500s and 3000s with vintage blacks, standard blacks and vintage blues (including vintage NIBs)
Cherry G81 3000s with MY switch (new ones)
Model Fs (XT, AT, terminal) from 1985-1986
Model Ms (standard, terminal, space saving, including some NIBs) from 1986 to 1994
Unicomps (made in 2009-2011)
Dell AT101W with Alps black
Apple Extended II with Alps salmon
Alcatel keyboards with Acer switches
HHKB Pro II
RF 87UB-45g
RF 87UB-55g
Self made custom keyboards:
ErgoDox in acrylic and PVC cases with all kinds of cherry and gateron switch, also modified (different springs, lube) in any combination you can imagine, plate and PCB mounted, ABS, PBT, POM keycaps, you name it.
60% keyboards with the MX switches I like (vintage black on PCB and plate, cherry green, gateron blue on plate) and Alps variations (matias switches clicky and quiet, on plate obviously), tried those in acrylic, PVC, wooden and aluminium cases, with ABS double shots (tai hao and cherry vintage), PBT blanks, PBT DSA blanks, SA Round 5.
Numberpad with salmon alps plate mounted (basically cut off from AEII, controlled with arduino micro).
Out of those I only sort of use 4 keyboards:
1) ErgoDox with vintage MX Blacks modified with ligher springs from new MX blue switches, plate mounted, DCS PBT blanks and PVC case (rarely used nowadays)
2) GON's 60% with bluetooth, stock vintage MX Blacks (taken from NIB G80-2500), Round 5 SA keycaps, in layout similar to HHKB, it's encased in CNC aluminium from Massdrop (only used with iPad on the go)
3) IBM Model M 1390401 from 1988, only modification is red ESC key, doesn't need bolt mod yet as it only misses 3 rivets, one under space bar, 1 under arrows and 1 under numberpad 0 key (this one is used quite often)
4) RF 87UB-55G, completely stock, just awaits PBT spacebar from MassDrop (this one is used 99% time since I bought it last summer, IMO best keyboard money can buy today).
Post by: ideus on Tue, 22 September 2015, 07:46:12
Poker X
Leopold FC660M
Infinity
GON Nerd60 <- Settle at this... for now.
I build the Nerd from the ground up, including SMD soldering, tried different setups and I finally settle with the last one. I am considering to sell the others, but not sure yet.
For keycaps I have been bouncing in between Cherry GMK and DSA; I know, they are different animals, but I like both for different reasons. GMK for their quality, and grease feeling of the ABS, the DSA is the Granite and I like the clean layout, and the nice dry PBT feeling.
Post by: darkspider on Tue, 22 September 2015, 08:31:13
1.IBM Model M(1391401)
2.IBM Model M(1390131), known as early model
3.IBM Model M(42H1292)
4.IBM Model F AT
5.5576-A01, made by Japan IBM
6.Filco Majestouch Ninja TKL
In my country, we can easily try typing on keyboards in shops.
So I've tried a lot of other boards.
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 22 September 2015, 09:09:32
Post by: xtrafrood on Sun, 28 February 2016, 15:50:19
I've tried a few MX switches but but these are the keyboards that bring back the most memories.
Model F 122 was my first. I started my typing 'lessons' on a battleship
(It was paired with a Commodore 64.. don't ask me how, my Dad had a way with acquiring the most random stuff.)
I want to say I also used a Apple II keyboard paired with a 1991 Apple Classic. "Wash your hands before you play the game!" I played some Stunt Copter with a childhood buddy. I need to look in to specifications of that keyboard. I'm intrigued, Topre's influence?
Various amounts of IBM/DELL buckling spring boards over the years. In the mid-late 90s I would find piles of keyboards/computers at recycling centers. I want to say that I found a Model M board for the first computer I put together but that memory is a little hazy. It was a buckling spring keyboard but I'm not 100% sure on the exact specifications. I wasn't old enough to have an after school job so I had to be resourceful.
Post by: klennkellon on Sun, 28 February 2016, 16:50:43
2. Keycool 87 PBT with Kailh Reds
3. Focus FK-2001 with Complicated White ALPS.
Hoping to get a new MX/Gateron Blue board in the near future and a Model M.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 28 February 2016, 19:11:53
I am an old man who is not so adept anymore at adapting to new muscle memory, so non-standard layouts bother me.
Last, I use the numpad constantly and have little interest in TKLs and no interest at all in anything smaller.
That said, what I have used daily for 3 years or so, 90% of the time, is an ANSI-modded IBM Model F 122-key terminal with Soarer's Converter.
Beyond that, I have my "personal collection" of keyboards securely boxed away that I unearth and rotate in for a few days at a time, occasionally.
Here is that list:
IBM keyboards:
3 Model F 122-key terminals ANSI-modded in various configurations of inboard or outboard Teensy, paint, foam, etc
1 Model F AT in very good condition awaiting the ANSI+Alt space bar mod (but I keep hoping to find a cheap one to start cutting up)
* everything I need to built an XTant waiting for the time when I have the inspiration and motivation to put it together*
2 Model M 1390131 1986, with one straight stock and one heavily modded with everything I could think of
1 Model M SSK new-in-box but bolt-modded anyway because so many rivets were broken
~3 IBM KB8923 in both beige and black because these are good rubber domes
Northgate keyboards:
1 Omnikey 101 with transplanted blue Alps
~2 Omnikey carcasses where I wrecked the PCB attempting a transplantation operation and/or the case and keys were badly worn
Dell keyboards:
1 AT101W black case with transplanted orange Alps from AEK and PBT keycaps from old AT101 (except for bottom row)(includes weight bar modded in)
~2 AT101W beige because they are good keyboards and good donors
~2 Quiet Keys beige because they are my other favorite rubber domes
Apple keyboards:
1 each AEK and AEK2 in excellent condition boxed with an iMate - just because
1 AEK2 in decent condition awaiting some projects or to give up its caps
Filco keyboards:
1 Zero with transplanted blue Alps
1 Majestouch TKL with black Cherry and O-rings - my teenage son's gaming rig
Cherry keyboard:
1 G80-11900 beige with black switches and O-rings just in case
Ducky keyboard:
1 1087XM with transplanted orange Alps and most of a cap set from AEK2
NMB Hi-Tek keyboards:
1 RT-101+ with clicky Space Invaders which is very nice (+ another one that I would sell if it would draw a decent price)
1 Televideo keyboard with white linear Hi-Teks that is exquisite but has an impossible RJ connector that nobody can make work
SMK keyboards:
1 Chicony KB-5181 with blue Monterey
1 Laser with white SMK (MX-compatible) switches equally nice
somewhere I have a tiny Logitech for the DVR and a rubber dome Adesso with built-in touchpad that is OK
PS - although I have never owned a Topre keyboard, I do not disrespect Realforce and would get one if I really needed something quiet
Post by: 1391406 on Sun, 28 February 2016, 19:37:41
Chicony KB-5181 (Monterey Blues)
IBM Model M (1391401)
IBM XT Model F
IBM AT Model F
Dell AT101W
122-key IBM Model F
IBM Model M13
Apple Extended Keyboard
Apple Extended Keyboard II
MTEK K104NTC KB-6251/2
Logitech G710+
Logitech G910
Razer Black Widow Ultimate
Realforce 87U
Realforce 104U Silent
Type Heaven
Filco Majestouch (MX Brown)
Post by: klennkellon on Sun, 28 February 2016, 21:16:49
Unicomp Classic
Chicony KB-5181 (Monterey Blues)
IBM Model M (1391401)
IBM XT Model F
IBM AT Model F
Dell AT101W
122-key IBM Model F
IBM Model M13
Apple Extended Keyboard
Apple Extended Keyboard II
MTEK K104NTC KB-6251/2
Logitech G710+
Logitech G910
Razer Black Widow Ultimate
Realforce 87U
Realforce 104U Silent
Type Heaven
Filco Majestouch (MX Brown)
How would you compare the Unicomp with the actual Model M's?
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 28 February 2016, 21:42:45
How would you compare the Unicomp with the actual Model M's?
The case of the Unicomp certainly doesn't compare to the M, much more flexible and less sturdy feeling IMO.
Post by: klennkellon on Sun, 28 February 2016, 21:44:58
How would you compare the Unicomp with the actual Model M's?
The case of the Unicomp certainly doesn't compare to the M, much more flexible and less sturdy feeling IMO.
I see, thanks.
I take it the overall key-feel and the keycaps are still about the same, though?
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 28 February 2016, 22:02:49
Filco Majestouch 2 (Limited Edition) in Vortex case (very different from normal Filco) - Blues, Jailhouse Blues
Magicforce/Smary86 Goate/Oatemu Blues, Goate/Oatemu Jailhouse Blues
Logitech G910
Logitech Illuminated
Logitech G15
Cooler Master QFR - reds
Daz Ultimate (Costar) - browns
IBM Model M - 1986, 1991, 1993
IBM Model M13
IBM KB-8923
KBT/Vortex Race Limited Edition - Red, blues, Clears, Ergo Clears, blacks
Razer Black Widow Ultimate (original) Blues
Chicony KB-5181
Dell AT101W
Apple Extended Keyboard
Apple Extended Keyboard II
Apple USB Keyboard (M2452)
Apple Pro Keyboard (M7803)
Apple Keyboard (A1048)
Apple Wireless Keyboard (A1016)
Apple Wireless Keyboard (A1255)
Apple Wireless Keyboard (A1314)
Apple Wireless Keyboard (A1314)
Apple Wireless Keyboard (MLA22LL/A)
Post by: robscomputer on Sun, 28 February 2016, 22:30:20
Logitech G15 v1 (was playing MMORPG's and this sparked my interest in "expensive" keyboards, rubber dome with a LCD screen)
Logitech G15 v2 (second version wasn't built as well as the first, less G keys)
Creative Labs Fatal1ty (Gaming keyboard but it's really a scissor switch with back lighting, actually works well for it's profile)
Compaq MX11800 (I found this at work on a server rack, really liked the feel of the keys, this was before I knew about mechanical keyboards. Left this behind after I went to another job, I'm sure all of these were tossed in the trash)
Razer Blackwidow (First mechanical keyboard, but I tried using this at work and way too loud. Cherry Blues I believe?)
Unicomp Customizer 104 (Working at another job, found this in the storage closet. It was super loud but fun to type on, finally bought one for myself but it's rarely used)
Corsair (Forgot the version but it was their first version, really didn't like how they only had mechanical switches for the main keys)
WASD 104 v1 - Cherry Browns (My first proper mechanical keyboard, I really liked the custom colors here, it was my daily driver for years)
Deck 82 Key - Cherry Blacks (I was looking for a smaller keyboard and loved the look of this but really using it was totally different. Nothing IMHO worked on this board, keys felt weird, case was too tall, Blacks were too stiff. Shame.)
WASD 104 v1 - Cherry Reds w/o-rings (Reds were super popular so I tried this as another keyboard, I actually didn't like it as much as the Browns, rarely used)
Filco Stealth Ninja Majestouch-2 - Cherry Browns (First ten keyless board, I used this heavily as well, worn the ABS keycaps till they shined.)
Code WASD TKL - Cherry Clear (I wanted something with back lighting but in TKL format. The Clears were not my favorite, they felt too heavy and typing all day wasn't too idea. Also even after hours of use, the keys never felt right, like it was too tight on the down press, and the stabilizers were too loose. )
Realforce 87U variable - (After reading about the Torpe keyboards, I made the plunge and bought it. Honestly I thought they are nice, especially for the office but the keys felt too light, ironically I bought a 30 gram keyboard later which is even lighter, go figure. )
Pok3r - Cherry Browns PBT keycaps - (This is my favorite feeling Cherry Browns keyboard, while the format doesn't work well with my work, I do some programming so extensive use of the ESC keys, layers is just a pain to use. But this is one of my keepers.)
HHKB Type-S - (After buying the Realforce, I was of course going to buy the HHKB. I opted for the Type-S, but honestly didn't feel any quieter than the Realforce. The big difference is the build, the HHKB felt really cheap, plus it had the whistle when I typed. It wasn't bad but I sold as it didn't IMHO was worth the price. Rather have another Realforce.)
Ducky Year of the Horse - Cherry Browns (Saw this on Massdrop and the case is what sold me, machined vs cast metal. This keyboard feels really nice but I'm not a fan of layers so it's not used very often, changed the caps to DSA profile and looks good collecting dust. )
Ducky Fire 69 - Various Cherry switches (This was an interesting keyboard but it's not really useful if you know what switch you prefer. Just felt weird when you forget one key is a Cherry Brown then the other is a Cherry Green.)
Ducky Shine 4 Massdrop Edition Cherry Clears w/ PBT - (A favorite in my collection, really enjoy these keycaps, Ducky PBT, but the case feels slightly flexing with use. It's still a good board that I used at work for a few months.)
Ducky Shine 5 - Cherry Browns - (Slight improvement from the Shine 4, but feels very solid and the ABS key caps are nice and thick. Personally huge improvement from the key caps on the Year of the Horse.)
Realforce Ducky Taiwan version 45 gram - (My current keyboard at home, I'm not sure if I'm going to bring this to work or the 30 gram. I like the color combination here, but not sure about the silenced feature. It's been a while since I had a Realforce keyboard.)
Realforce Ducky Taiwan version 30 gram - (I bought this for work, since it's lighter would be easier to go all day typing out on IRC or commands. I was a bit worried it would be too light, but it's ok. Just a very light switch (dome? switch? both?) and it's really quiet. Again, when it's at work, I can't hammer away on a loud board without bothering people.)
I haven't tried out any tuned keyboards or those Korean customs, also never tried any 40% Plank style boards. They are all on my long list of buys. :)
Post by: 1391406 on Mon, 29 February 2016, 00:21:08
How would you compare the Unicomp with the actual Model M's?
The case of the Unicomp certainly doesn't compare to the M, much more flexible and less sturdy feeling IMO.
I see, thanks.
I take it the overall key-feel and the keycaps are still about the same, though?
The key-feel is basically the same. I mean, if I wanted to be really picky, the Unicomp feels slightly more scratchy to me, but nothing obvious. The keycap material seems slightly flimsier, but Unicomp enthusiasts will probably tell you they don't notice a difference.
On another note, the Unicomp case I had creaked and was flexible compared to the IBM Model M cases, in my opinion. The surface of the case also has some cosmetic defects that resemble what look like smudge marks.
Overall, I'd never buy another Unicomp keyboard unless IBM Model M's were rare and expensive. They're fine if all you care about is mainly typing feel, though.
Post by: Blaise170 on Mon, 29 February 2016, 00:32:49
Current (as of 05 February 2016):
Alps Glidepoint (Alps SKFS)
Amtelco KB163 (Cherry MX Black)
Apple Adjustable (Alps SKFS)
Apple M0110 (Alps SKCC Cream)
Avid ADB "Lunar" (Cherry M8)
BOS Model M 122 (Buckling Spring)
Cherry ML4100 (Cherry ML)
Cooler Master QuickFire XT (Cherry MX Blue & Green)
Focus FK-8000 (Alps SKCL Yellow + Futaba Lock + Hua Jie AK-CN2)
Grass Valley VPE-141 (Cherry MX Black)
IBM 6112884 (Alps SKCC Green)
KBP V60 (Alps SKCM Blue)
Keycool RGB 104 (Kailh Blue)
NeXT 2237 (Alps SKCM Black)
NTC KB-6851EA (Alps SKCM White)
Rapoo V500 (Cherry MX Black)
SHARP X68000 (NMB)
Zenith Data Systems ZA-3034-NP (Alps LP)
Previous:
Acer 6311-C (Acer)
Apple Extended Keyboard II (Alps SKCM Cream)
Apple M0116 (Alps SKCM Salmon & Alps SKCM Orange)
Archer C16 (Mitsumi Hybrid + Mitsumi Vintage Lock)
Cherry G80-8113LRCUS (Cherry MX Clear)
Chicony KB-5161 (Alps SKCM Blue)
Chicony KB-5581 (Cherry MX Blue)
Das Professional S (Cherry MX Red)
Datalux TOGUW (MEI)
Ducky Shine 3 (Cherry MX Green & Blue)
E-Element 104 RGB (Outemu Blue)
Focus FK-2001 (Alps SKCM White)
Fujitsu FKB4700-101 (Fujitsu Peerless)
Gateway Anykey (Maxi)
Harris-Lanier C2400 (Keytronic Foam and Foil)
IBM Model F Bigfoot (Buckling Spring)
IBM Model F XT (Buckling Spring)
IBM Model M2 (Buckling Spring)
IBM Model M 104 (Buckling Spring)
IBM Model M 122 (Buckling Spring)
Leading Edge DC-2010 (Alps SKCM Blue)
OQ STB-20A (White Alps Clone)
Panasonic PBSHA-1ZA (Leaf Spring Membrane)
Razer Blackwidow Chroma (Razer Orange)
Razer Blackwidow Ultimate (Razer Green)
SGI Granite (Alps SKCM Cream Damped)
Solidtek KB-6600 (Alps SKBM White)
Thermaltake Poseidon Z (Kailh Brown & Blue)
Ultra KB-5181 (SMK Blue)
WYSE ASCII (Vintage Cherry MX Black)
WYSE Gate Array (Vintage Cherry MX Black)
WYSE LAN (Vintage Cherry MX Black)
WYSE WY-60 (Vintage Cherry MX Black)
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 29 February 2016, 00:33:16
G80-2100, mx blacks
ESA-3000-HASRO, mx blacks, that one kinda sucks
G80-5000, in iso and ansi, but i prefer ansi honestly
poker 1, mx reds, used it for the last 1.5 years whilst watching geekhack from afar
g81-8904, ys are ****ed up, dont put yourself through hell with these switches, they suck
too tired to post the rest..tried a bunch of vintage cherries basically and they're all the same
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 29 February 2016, 03:30:22
This thread definitely needed a bump :D
Post by: davkol on Mon, 29 February 2016, 04:44:18
Different people report different things. Especially in terms of feel. For example, my 2012 EnduraPro is smoother, softer and less pingy than one of my 1991 IBM Model Ms; my 2013 Classic isn't as nice.How would you compare the Unicomp with the actual Model M's?
The case of the Unicomp certainly doesn't compare to the M, much more flexible and less sturdy feeling IMO.
I see, thanks.
I take it the overall key-feel and the keycaps are still about the same, though?
Generally, attention to detail has degraded over time, thus keycaps look worse.
Post by: keshley on Tue, 01 March 2016, 06:54:03
In no particular order...
Focus FK-2001 x2
IBM Model M x some large number I'm sure
HHKB Pro 2 x2
HHKB Lite
Various Dells
Pok3r (MX Brown)
Apple Standard Keyboard x a bunch
Apple Extended Keyboard x a few
IBM Model M2
Razer Blackwidow Tournament (2014) (Kailh Green)
Ducky Zero DK2108S (MX Black)
Logitech G15
Logitech G13
Razer Orbweaver (Kailh Green)
MS Natural Keyboard x2
MS Natural Keyboard Elite x2
A couple of MX Red boards... made by CM maybe?
Variety of scissor switch boards
Tandy something or other...
Commodore 64 x a few
Apple IIe
Apple Wireless Keyboard 1st Gen
That's about all that I can remember. There were some keyboards on video editing machines too, but I don't remember brands at all.
Adding to the list...
Realforce 87u
Realforce 104ug
Realforce 23u
CM Novatouch x2
Post by: ideus on Tue, 01 March 2016, 07:35:34
Kishaver (BS)
Ducky (ALPS)
Poker X (MX Reds)
Leopold FC660M (MX Browns)
Infinity (MX Clears)
Custom build based on Nerd60 (MX Clears, Zealios, Blacks) (In use currently)
... A short list of a modest user that is in the company of top level keyboard collectors.
Post by: Red October on Tue, 01 March 2016, 17:05:41
Apple 658-4081. Discreet keyswitches I do not recognize. Has a very unusual flattened keycap, but is seemingly full-travel. Soft touch to the keys and ever so slightly tactile. Very compact layout which omits the cursor control block and function keys, but retains the numpad. Oddly placed, locking Caps Lock key, Control key where Linux users expect it. ADB pass-through.
Apple Extended Keyboard. Frankly, I used it in the latter years of grammar school and not since. I remember it being decent, however.
BOSCOM (Unicomp Mfr.) 122-key host-attached terminal emulator keyboard. Nice black color with grey keys. Classic IBM buckling spring technology. Not quite as good as an IBM-produced keyboard, but still very good. Eventually developed sticky keys (physically, not electrically). Good layout, but some keys difficult to utilize in Windows environment.
Burroughs TP-110. Great looking small keyboard, no cursor control block or numpad (if you like that sort of thing), but somewhat stiff keys with no click.
ComputerLab International KPV5B05. Another 122-key Host-attached etc. keyboard, Windows key mapping different to the BOSCOM for some reason, and not as nice (for instance, escape is over in the numpad, not the left-most block. Nice all-black scheme with multicolored legends, but only a rubber dome mechanism. About as tactile as such a thing can get, but still not good.
Data General G6488M-N. Mysterious PS/2 but not PS/2 keyboard. Scandinavian layout, what seems to be a buckling spring switch with a very, very light click. Toggle keys have their pilot lights in the keycaps, not on the upper right corner.
DEC (Digital Equipment Corp.) VT-100 keyboard. Uses what I understand to be called a "Stackpole" switch (do they blow up? ;) ). Nice smooth spherical keycaps, minimalist layout, mediocre action.
DEC LK-201 (VT-220 keyboard). Good layout, terrible feel.
Dell AT101W. Very nice keyboard. Alps green switches, IIRC, slightly clicky, soft press energy, only downside in my mind is the presence of winkeys. Nice black color, they also came in beige.
Gateway Anykey. Nice layout, fully programmable. Tends to turn funny colors and switches are nothing to write home about.
Honeywell/Bull 60164180-001. Interesting layout with extra keys, but the action is disappointing. Somewhat tactile but very mushy. Has a 5-pin DIN plug but does not use standard protocol, may be an XT-compatible or may be some moon interface.
IBM Japan 6112884. Very nice keyboard, has spherical keycaps in classic IBM colors, uses green Alps switches. Makes a lot of noise, including a volume-adjustable beeper (which can be adjusted low enough to be off). Has a lot of re-legendable keycaps, but layout is very non-standard, with numpad right next to main block and no cursor control block, although with a Hasu's converter you can make it up however you want. Activation force is very light, coming from a model M I find myself inadvertently activating keys with some frequency. A lot of the standard keys are in strange places, backspace is very small and far away. Has no top row. Extremely sturdy construction.
IBM Displaywriter keyboard. Uses the legendary beamspring switch technology, very much a typist's keyboard. Spherical keycaps. Absolutely huge, bigger than a 122-key keyboard and too tall to fit in a keyboard drawer.
IBM Model F. Very nice keyboard, probably what most people remember as the classic IBM clicky keyboard. I have several in different layouts. They make a very nice sound when typed on.
IBM Model M. Only slightly worse than an F, many people won't notice the difference. A little quieter, a little stiffer. Common and good and available in so many layouts. Does not support many simultaneous keypresses! Keys interchange between models M and F and allow for extensive customization, especially from and onto terminal boards.
IBM Model M5-II. A Model M with a trackball on the top right corner. Great keyboard to plug into a KVM or use from your lap. Rare and costly to lay hands on, like most unusual M variants. You can build a fine collection of nothing but model Ms.
KeySourceInternational unknown POS (Point of sale you charlatan) keyboard. Unusual layout, severe Cherry Black keyswitches with action similar to the Burroughs.
Zenith Data Systems ZKB-2R. Doesn't seem like a standout but has unusual features, starting with simply being from a company which didn't make many personal computers. It has a switch to select AT or XT compatibility modes, a toggle-able beeper, and pilots for toggle keys on the keycaps like the Data General. Uses Alps green switches with different stems to the IBM but a similar, light feel. Good, sturdy keyboards that long outlasted the mediocre computers they came with.
This isn't complete, I have and have used more (especially the terrible rubber dome keyboards that are as a plague upon the Earth), including a Hewlett/Packard with very unusual slanted keycaps (and a pedestrian rubber dome mechanism) and a spillproof rubber membrane keyboard mainly useful for threatening to replace people's keyboards with if they break another keyboard -think a full-size Timex Sinclair...