Post by: jaffers on Wed, 09 September 2015, 12:30:11
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What is currently going on
This is not happening until further notice. The chainsaw has died and I'm not sure if it will ever breathe life again. Not something that I want to happen considering I have already spent $300 on materials and loads of research and organisation time into making this. But it is what it is. Don't save your money is all I'm saying
I have made the decision to postpone the group buy until January.
Primary reason: Working 6 days on 1 off to get things done before christmas, and been making the most of daylight i.e. 5 am wakeups, 7pm work finishes.
What does this mean:
- Can avoid the christmas time postage insanity (higher chance that things get lost in the mail)
- I can put together a well documented and well photographed BOS of the wrist rests being made and their journey from tree to desk
- I get more time, so due to being only one man I was going to limit the group buy to 50 wrist rests, this may change, the maximum will most likely be raised to 100
This will be taking place. There is no doubt about that, I've already spent well over $300 for this group buy. I am out here in the wilderness for three months, and we are coming up on the first month. I also have other projects that I need to get out of the way so its in my best interests to ship these out.
I think that's it, thanks for understanding.
I have made minor edits to the points below, mainly just cutting out what was not relevant anymore
I have unlimited supply to rosewood. I also have wood working tools. I'm going back to this unlimited supply of rosewood and wood working tools in around December/late November. So I was thinking, "hey, why not just cut a heap up for people." I'll make a few closer to the date for people to check out if people actually want any.
Expanding upon this...
OPTIONS
Anything to do with price is in AUD
Finishes
Below are the possible coatings that can be applied.
Sizes
Each wrist rest will be made entirely by hand. I am literally cutting down the tree, or grabbing some older more dry timber (depending on whether or not it has been all used), cutting it to size, planing it, and sanding it buy hand.
Because of this there is no limitation to size. You can have it however you want. Examples of what I mean are listed below
(http://i.imgur.com/5nOosLw.jpg)
This is not my photo, its just a representation of rounded bottom edges
Default Sizes are as follows, these are based off Royal Glam's wristrests:
Thickness: 1.9 cm
60% Wrist Rest: 29 x 8 cm ~ 308 grams
80% Wrist Rest: 35.5 x 8 cm ~ 377 grams
100% Wrist Rest: 44 x 8 cm ~ 468 grams
I can also make middle pieces for plank/atomic or whatever else you want. All I ask is for you to provide specifications.
I also realise that there will be many people will have the same keyboard (i.e. 60%'s: KBParadise V60, Poker 2/3 (is there a diffidence in dimensions? I do not own one of these), HHKB)
So to make people's lives easier, I will gather the dimensions of the more popular choices and have them available to simply select. I do not own every keyboard in the world so please can people post some dimensions for me so I can put them in form. When taking these measurement make sure to measure from the front of your keyboard. The manufacturer's details are of no use to me, they take them from the longest and highest point of the case, I can guarantee if put 3cm for thickness you will end up with very expensive shipping and a obscurely thick wrist rest More than one persons input would be nice. As they say cut once measure twice.
Pricing ~ What everyone is most concerned about
$20 AUD ~ The base itself is consistent no matter what size you choose. The only additional expense is the finish you choose.
Shipping
The average density of rosewood is 0.7 g/cm3. To get a rough estimate of how heavy your order is going to be simply find the volume using height (cm) x depth (cm) x width (cm) and multiply by .7 to get the weight in grams. Add 60-70 grams for packaging.
The order will be insured, a cost which I will cover.
For the status of shipping for US users please see the end of this post. I bit here soon with estimated prices ^-^
For members outside of the United States you can calculate shipping here:
http://auspost.com.au/apps/postage-calculator.html
Packaging
We all understand how rough the postal company is with packages, I will be experimenting to find the lightest packaging while keeping the content safe. Testing will be thorough.
Speaking of testing
Another thing I will be doing it testing the durability of each finish so again, people know what they are going to buy. Aesthetics are one thing but a resilient product is also going to be taken into consideration.
Sweat is going to be the biggest concern in the long run so I will be submitting the prototype wrist rests to a solution that I will concoct as close to sweat as I can. On top of that I will also be submitting the wrist rests to abrasion before and after the sweat test to try and see what long term use will do to it.
Freighting also carries effects such as extreme hot and cold environments so they will be submitted to those as well.
Timber is like leather. Upkeep can greatly increase the longevity of your product. This goes especially for wax users as it is a much more fragile finish. Its a very nice finish but it is fragile. It is recommended that wax is up kept once every 6 months. There is only so much I can do to create a good product.
Finally it will be covered by Jaffers Seal of Quality™ guarantee, if it splinters over a 3 year period I will make and ship you a new one (in the June - July/Chistmas period when the tools are available to build these) and send it to you free of charge.
The Process of Building
I will have a full thread in the 'Making Things together' section detailing the entire process from start to finish. It will include many macro shots of the surface finishes so that people can get a look at what they can expect.
Rough outline of the process:
This will go into much more detail in the build thread
Questions I expect to get
Q: How will payment work?
Paypal ONLY. You will have to submit your paypal email address and you will receive the invoice within 1 working day. ALL INVOICES MUST BE PAID WITHIN 3 WORKING DAYS OR THE ORDER WILL BE DISCARDED.
Q: Can I make a full case for a keyboard?
No. Unfortunately I do not have access to a CNC machine to mill out all the grooves required for a case. I am making middle pieces for planck etc as I do have a jigsaw and a drill. However if you wish to get a piece of rosewood to take to a local machinist to have this done for you I will happily send you a piece.
Q: Why not use the manufacturer's specifications of each keyboard to find dimensions?
Unfortunately keyboard manufacturer's do not give as thorough dimensions as they require us to do in engineering at university. For this reason I'd prefer you to give me the dimensions of the wrist rest you require so that it is flush fitting to your keyboard.
Q: How long will the group buy be open?
Three weeks. It will start when I finish the prototypes and get the photos up for you guys to have a look at.
Q: Do you work with wood as a trade?
No. There are many people on this forum that make they're money doing what I'm doing and the price you pay for they're product is justified as THEY MAKE A LIVING DOING IT. The time I am going to put into each one of these would not pass law for the hourly wage. That being said I have worked A LOT with wood over the years, and with the tools I'm using. I am proficient and have been paid to do what I am doing as side jobs in the past. Don't loose sleep over it.
Q: Why is it so cheap?
I am a uni student and I understand that a lot of us also are in tight financial situations. So I want to give EVERYONE an affordable product that with the quality that I would expect from a more premium item. Hey, I want to give back to you guys ;D
Q: Can there be a bulk order to the EU as there is one for the US?
As it stands right now from this interest check alone there are about 70% of the orders for shipment to the US, there is not enough demand to warrant a EU bulk order. Sorry guys. I will try keep that shipping as light as I can.
Q: Shipping for US geekhackers
As the majority of shipping will be for the US an express bulk order will be sent. This will significantly decrease the cost that you will endure. Australia post is HARSH. They will be shipped in bulk and then redistributed to their respective owners. Each item will be prepackaged with shipping labels applied which I will purchase before hand as to minimize handling time. The cost of the bulk order will be divided to each person dependent upon the weight of the total order. I will take responsibility of the weight of the box they are put in and the packaging material to protect the orders. Its only fair that you pay for what you ordered.
Q: When will we receive the wrist rests?
For all orders outside of the US I will begin work on your wrist rest the moment the invoice has been paid. For US orders work will begin at the end of the group buy period. At this time I will send out the US invoices so that shipping costs can be calculated correctly.
What does the timber actually look like?
Below is as close of a picture I can get to the rosewood I will be working with. More details on it can be found here: https://www.daf.qld.gov.au/forestry/using-wood-and-its-benefits/wood-properties-of-timber-trees/rose-mahogany
[img width=640 height=424]http://i.imgur.com/iRTtb4K.jpg/img]
Yep thats a photo of the actual wood this time
What I want from YOU!
Draft Form
The draft is up! I will stress again that this is not the actual order form and I just want feedback to clear up any confusion surrounding the possible options.
I am looking at getting prototypes done in the next two week and then the group buy will start!
http://goo.gl/forms/4sva4RfZE3
Final Summary
Welp. That was a lot. :p sorry for wall of text
First and foremost I don't want to be seen as "the guy who made those really ****ty wrist rests for cheap that one time". When I am dealing with YOUR money there isn't going to be any silly business, I've seen enough of the nightmare group buys and want ALL bases covered. I'm going to put in the work and make something that I would use as well and not just make some 'grab and run sheckles'.
Also I am going to be absolutely flat out with my other projects and with work so most of this will be done in my own personal time. This being said I am absolutely STOKED to be doing this, its going to be a lot of fun, I love making stuff. And I'm going to be making a lot more different stuff in the future as well!
I think I have just about hit everything I wanted to say in this thread, keep your eyes peeled for any updates.
Cheers, jaffers out ^:)
This is not happening until further notice. The chainsaw has died and I'm not sure if it will ever breathe life again. Not something that I want to happen considering I have already spent $300 on materials and loads of research and organisation time into making this. But it is what it is. Don't save your money is all I'm saying
Primary reason: Working 6 days on 1 off to get things done before christmas, and been making the most of daylight i.e. 5 am wakeups, 7pm work finishes.
What does this mean:
- Can avoid the christmas time postage insanity (higher chance that things get lost in the mail)
- I can put together a well documented and well photographed BOS of the wrist rests being made and their journey from tree to desk
- I get more time, so due to being only one man I was going to limit the group buy to 50 wrist rests, this may change, the maximum will most likely be raised to 100
This will be taking place. There is no doubt about that, I've already spent well over $300 for this group buy. I am out here in the wilderness for three months, and we are coming up on the first month. I also have other projects that I need to get out of the way so its in my best interests to ship these out.
I think that's it, thanks for understanding.
I have made minor edits to the points below, mainly just cutting out what was not relevant anymore
I have unlimited supply to rosewood. I also have wood working tools. I'm going back to this unlimited supply of rosewood and wood working tools in around December/late November. So I was thinking, "hey, why not just cut a heap up for people." I'll make a few closer to the date for people to check out if people actually want any.
Expanding upon this...
OPTIONS
Anything to do with price is in AUD
Finishes
- Flame finished ~ I have seen this done on lighter woods although I cannot find a picture that I find sufficient enough to reflect the result on rosewood. I too am curious about how this will turn out. + $2
Below are the possible coatings that can be applied.
Raw~ It's too damn hot here and the wood cracks too much.- Carnauba Wax ~ I'm using this wax because it has more of a durable finish. + $2
- Instead using a Tung Nut Based Oil ~ Again this is for more of a durable finish, its described as a kitchen timber oil, so it should be able to get a little more wear out of it. Matt finish + $2
- French polish ~ Basically shellac w/ a bit of varnish. This should allow for more of a durable finish + $2
Waxed with Beeswax (Australian beeswax, not that its any more premium. Beeswax is beeswax) + $2Oiled using Tung oil + $2Shellac coating (I will make a fresh mix of shellac and denatured alcohol) + $2Varnish(this has been crossed out as it tends to conjure a lot more than shellac, especially this time of year in Australia. It is approaching the wet season and I do not want to have a bunch of wrist rests turn out bad for people because the humidity kicked up and ruined the finish. I'm sorry about this. But the shellac should have a very similar finish)
Sizes
Each wrist rest will be made entirely by hand. I am literally cutting down the tree, or grabbing some older more dry timber (depending on whether or not it has been all used), cutting it to size, planing it, and sanding it buy hand.
Because of this there is no limitation to size. You can have it however you want. Examples of what I mean are listed below
- Height
- Depth (8cm seems appropriate)
- Length
- Radius of the edge
- Radius of the bottom edges ~ have a look at the image below for what I mean
- Angled or not
(http://i.imgur.com/5nOosLw.jpg)
This is not my photo, its just a representation of rounded bottom edges
Default Sizes are as follows, these are based off Royal Glam's wristrests:
Thickness: 1.9 cm
60% Wrist Rest: 29 x 8 cm ~ 308 grams
80% Wrist Rest: 35.5 x 8 cm ~ 377 grams
100% Wrist Rest: 44 x 8 cm ~ 468 grams
I can also make middle pieces for plank/atomic or whatever else you want. All I ask is for you to provide specifications.
I also realise that there will be many people will have the same keyboard (i.e. 60%'s: KBParadise V60, Poker 2/3 (is there a diffidence in dimensions? I do not own one of these), HHKB)
So to make people's lives easier, I will gather the dimensions of the more popular choices and have them available to simply select. I do not own every keyboard in the world so please can people post some dimensions for me so I can put them in form. When taking these measurement make sure to measure from the front of your keyboard. The manufacturer's details are of no use to me, they take them from the longest and highest point of the case, I can guarantee if put 3cm for thickness you will end up with very expensive shipping and a obscurely thick wrist rest More than one persons input would be nice. As they say cut once measure twice.
Pricing ~ What everyone is most concerned about
$20 AUD ~ The base itself is consistent no matter what size you choose. The only additional expense is the finish you choose.
Shipping
The average density of rosewood is 0.7 g/cm3. To get a rough estimate of how heavy your order is going to be simply find the volume using height (cm) x depth (cm) x width (cm) and multiply by .7 to get the weight in grams. Add 60-70 grams for packaging.
The order will be insured, a cost which I will cover.
For the status of shipping for US users please see the end of this post. I bit here soon with estimated prices ^-^
For members outside of the United States you can calculate shipping here:
http://auspost.com.au/apps/postage-calculator.html
Packaging
We all understand how rough the postal company is with packages, I will be experimenting to find the lightest packaging while keeping the content safe. Testing will be thorough.
Speaking of testing
Another thing I will be doing it testing the durability of each finish so again, people know what they are going to buy. Aesthetics are one thing but a resilient product is also going to be taken into consideration.
Sweat is going to be the biggest concern in the long run so I will be submitting the prototype wrist rests to a solution that I will concoct as close to sweat as I can. On top of that I will also be submitting the wrist rests to abrasion before and after the sweat test to try and see what long term use will do to it.
Freighting also carries effects such as extreme hot and cold environments so they will be submitted to those as well.
Timber is like leather. Upkeep can greatly increase the longevity of your product. This goes especially for wax users as it is a much more fragile finish. Its a very nice finish but it is fragile. It is recommended that wax is up kept once every 6 months. There is only so much I can do to create a good product.
Finally it will be covered by Jaffers Seal of Quality™ guarantee, if it splinters over a 3 year period I will make and ship you a new one (in the June - July/Chistmas period when the tools are available to build these) and send it to you free of charge.
The Process of Building
I will have a full thread in the 'Making Things together' section detailing the entire process from start to finish. It will include many macro shots of the surface finishes so that people can get a look at what they can expect.
Rough outline of the process:
- Cut the timber to approximate shape
- Oven bake to cook out excess moisture
- Final shaping
- Surface finishing ~ sanding from low grit all the way to as high of a grit as I can get my hands on
- Application of the finish
- Buffing/polishing
This will go into much more detail in the build thread
Questions I expect to get
Q: How will payment work?
Paypal ONLY. You will have to submit your paypal email address and you will receive the invoice within 1 working day. ALL INVOICES MUST BE PAID WITHIN 3 WORKING DAYS OR THE ORDER WILL BE DISCARDED.
Q: Can I make a full case for a keyboard?
No. Unfortunately I do not have access to a CNC machine to mill out all the grooves required for a case. I am making middle pieces for planck etc as I do have a jigsaw and a drill. However if you wish to get a piece of rosewood to take to a local machinist to have this done for you I will happily send you a piece.
Q: Why not use the manufacturer's specifications of each keyboard to find dimensions?
Unfortunately keyboard manufacturer's do not give as thorough dimensions as they require us to do in engineering at university. For this reason I'd prefer you to give me the dimensions of the wrist rest you require so that it is flush fitting to your keyboard.
Q: How long will the group buy be open?
Three weeks. It will start when I finish the prototypes and get the photos up for you guys to have a look at.
Q: Do you work with wood as a trade?
No. There are many people on this forum that make they're money doing what I'm doing and the price you pay for they're product is justified as THEY MAKE A LIVING DOING IT. The time I am going to put into each one of these would not pass law for the hourly wage. That being said I have worked A LOT with wood over the years, and with the tools I'm using. I am proficient and have been paid to do what I am doing as side jobs in the past. Don't loose sleep over it.
Q: Why is it so cheap?
I am a uni student and I understand that a lot of us also are in tight financial situations. So I want to give EVERYONE an affordable product that with the quality that I would expect from a more premium item. Hey, I want to give back to you guys ;D
Q: Can there be a bulk order to the EU as there is one for the US?
As it stands right now from this interest check alone there are about 70% of the orders for shipment to the US, there is not enough demand to warrant a EU bulk order. Sorry guys. I will try keep that shipping as light as I can.
Q: Shipping for US geekhackers
As the majority of shipping will be for the US an express bulk order will be sent. This will significantly decrease the cost that you will endure. Australia post is HARSH. They will be shipped in bulk and then redistributed to their respective owners. Each item will be prepackaged with shipping labels applied which I will purchase before hand as to minimize handling time. The cost of the bulk order will be divided to each person dependent upon the weight of the total order. I will take responsibility of the weight of the box they are put in and the packaging material to protect the orders. Its only fair that you pay for what you ordered.
Q: When will we receive the wrist rests?
For all orders outside of the US I will begin work on your wrist rest the moment the invoice has been paid. For US orders work will begin at the end of the group buy period. At this time I will send out the US invoices so that shipping costs can be calculated correctly.
What does the timber actually look like?
Below is as close of a picture I can get to the rosewood I will be working with. More details on it can be found here: https://www.daf.qld.gov.au/forestry/using-wood-and-its-benefits/wood-properties-of-timber-trees/rose-mahogany
[img width=640 height=424]http://i.imgur.com/iRTtb4K.jpg/img]
Yep thats a photo of the actual wood this time
What I want from YOU!
- Feedback on any of the points I've made or if I've missed anything
- Keyboard dimensions and your opinion on what are the more popular keyboads so I can make them a simple one click option
Draft Form
The draft is up! I will stress again that this is not the actual order form and I just want feedback to clear up any confusion surrounding the possible options.
I am looking at getting prototypes done in the next two week and then the group buy will start!
http://goo.gl/forms/4sva4RfZE3
Final Summary
Welp. That was a lot. :p sorry for wall of text
First and foremost I don't want to be seen as "the guy who made those really ****ty wrist rests for cheap that one time". When I am dealing with YOUR money there isn't going to be any silly business, I've seen enough of the nightmare group buys and want ALL bases covered. I'm going to put in the work and make something that I would use as well and not just make some 'grab and run sheckles'.
Also I am going to be absolutely flat out with my other projects and with work so most of this will be done in my own personal time. This being said I am absolutely STOKED to be doing this, its going to be a lot of fun, I love making stuff. And I'm going to be making a lot more different stuff in the future as well!
I think I have just about hit everything I wanted to say in this thread, keep your eyes peeled for any updates.
Cheers, jaffers out ^:)
Post by: E3E on Wed, 09 September 2015, 13:10:58
Definitely interested. This kind of wood looks really nice!
And yeah, I had to do a hell of a lot of work to get my Royal Glam triwood to look presentable and properly seal it from the elements.
Post by: VentureG on Wed, 09 September 2015, 13:24:08
Post by: jaffers on Wed, 09 September 2015, 13:28:12
Looks fantastic. I'd probably be up for one in 60%! It's probably impractical, but if you can also do one for a standalone number pad too, I'd dig that! Just to look nice on my desk if nothing else.
Definitely interested. This kind of wood looks really nice!
And yeah, I had to do a hell of a lot of work to get my Royal Glam triwood to look presentable and properly seal it from the elements.
I can do a number pad, at the end of the day, all I am doing it cutting up the wood, I don't have any oil/varnishes at the moment, but I can get them for people, or, if there is something very particular people want (i.e. dying the wood) they can get it raw! :)
Absolutely love rosewood. An infinite supply you say? Count me interestedYep, unlimited for our purposes. I just go out, cut down the tree with a chainsaw, bring it back and cut it up. The biggest expense will be shipping, hopefully, if there are enough orders, I can get someone to distribute them for me (i.e. the individual shipping costs from Australia would be quite high but if I can send the orders in bulk that would go a long way to cutting costs)
Post by: Data on Wed, 09 September 2015, 15:03:42
Post by: lunr on Wed, 09 September 2015, 15:38:50
Post by: SwissFTW on Wed, 09 September 2015, 16:11:18
Post by: Jersern on Wed, 09 September 2015, 17:08:40
Post by: Karura on Wed, 09 September 2015, 17:38:17
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Wed, 09 September 2015, 17:45:09
Wellll. I see that royal glam is charging ridiculous prices for a slab of wood (sorry Royal Glam, but the current drop is a single finished piece of wood and thats it) on massdrop. I have unlimited supply to rosewood. I also have wood working tools. I'm going back to this unlimited supply of rosewood and wood working tools in around December/late November. So I was thinking, "hey, why not just cut a heap up for people." I'll make a few closer to the date for people to check out if people actually want any.I'm in for 2 60%s
Price
$20 Aud round. That's for 40%, 60%, 75%, 80% 100% or whatever you want. Add $2 Aud if you want it finished in a oil/varnish or you can have it raw.
Essentially $20 ($14.05 USD) ~ $22 ($15.45 USD) + shipping (I don't know what I'm going to do for shipping yet)
Cheers!Show Image(http://australianburls.com/AustralianBurls/PenBlanks/HRB/HRBPBLOT1SIDE1.jpg)
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 09 September 2015, 18:06:25
Oh and an oil finish please.
Post by: just66in on Thu, 10 September 2015, 09:43:53
Post by: saturnotaku on Thu, 10 September 2015, 09:52:25
Post by: raymogi on Thu, 10 September 2015, 09:54:09
Post by: yomammary on Thu, 10 September 2015, 12:32:19
Post by: ika on Thu, 10 September 2015, 13:12:32
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 10 September 2015, 13:56:08
Post by: jaffers on Thu, 10 September 2015, 15:34:23
Would love to know shipping quote to USA, might grab a couple of these.
Interested. Would definitely be interested in some sort of finish. Interested to see what you end up with for a shipping situation internationally, as that could heavily effect your price point.
I have update the post with rough estimates on shipping, I'm being positive and hoping they are under 500 grams but you can put in any weight you want and calculate it.
If there are enough orders I might be able to get someone to receive a bulk order and distribute them to everyone.
Pretty interested in one, especially if you can go around the edges and round them out.
I was planning on breaking all the edges if you are worried about that, i aint gonna leave them so you get splinters in your fingers ahah
Post by: ika on Thu, 10 September 2015, 16:24:37
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 10 September 2015, 17:52:11
Post by: nobodyknowsmyname on Thu, 24 September 2015, 11:53:47
Post by: edsucks on Thu, 24 September 2015, 12:10:31
Really fair prices!
Post by: KitWasHere on Thu, 24 September 2015, 17:34:47
Rosewood is really nice though, I'd be in for a piece if it's dried out
Post by: jaffers on Tue, 29 September 2015, 01:47:57
Won't these warp a lot if they're coming from a fresh cut tree? I thought you have to cure wood for like a few years before it's somewhat stable.
Rosewood is really nice though, I'd be in for a piece if it's dried out
Generally speaking, if I was working with a softer wood I would let it dry out for a few years. Rosewood on the other hand is extremely dense and hard. Very dry to begin with, once you get a piece of a decent enough size to use for a wrist rest its already to the point where if it does warp, it will be very little. Take into account that wood warps because of moisture leaving the wood and causing it to shrink, it will only shrink by around .1 percent if that. It makes a bigger difference in long bits of soft wood but something a keyboard length? Won't matter. If you seal the wood with oil it takes longer for the moisture to leave and if you seal it with varnish it will pretty much retain it. On top of that, we use rosewood as fence posts and we have a few from around 5 years back laying about. So its already aged :p
Post by: mozimus on Wed, 14 October 2015, 22:13:40
Post by: SploogeFactory on Thu, 05 November 2015, 03:40:26
Post by: jaffers on Thu, 05 November 2015, 16:42:10
Another possible option for a finish ^:)
Post by: SploogeFactory on Thu, 05 November 2015, 22:45:25
Need that wrist rest flush on both sides like this though!
(https://i.imgur.com/MgCuW1S.jpg)
Post by: captaineleven on Thu, 05 November 2015, 23:28:47
Post by: SploogeFactory on Thu, 05 November 2015, 23:35:49
Post by: Cindori on Thu, 12 November 2015, 06:53:12
Post by: E3E on Thu, 12 November 2015, 07:21:39
Nice, so keen for this to go down.
Need that wrist rest flush on both sides like this though!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MgCuW1S.jpg)
The OCD is stong with this one!
Haha, I definitely agree though.
Post by: jaffers on Thu, 12 November 2015, 14:14:27
So OP. When are you ready to accept orders?
Once I am off uni! So I have one week left of exams, then I will make some prototypes so people know what they are buying and the different finishes. 2 - 3 weeks tops and I will put up the google form.
Post by: jaffers on Thu, 12 November 2015, 14:17:51
Post by: mobbo on Thu, 12 November 2015, 20:56:18
At the very latest I want to have these shipped by early January/late December. The order form will be open for 3 weeks and in that time I will be making the wristrest. The moment the invoice is paid I start work on them. If you live in a country outside of the US I will send out your order when I finish it. :)
Looking forward to grabbing a few :3
Post by: tr4ktor on Sat, 14 November 2015, 03:30:46
Post by: Steezus on Sat, 14 November 2015, 09:45:11
Post by: jaffers on Sat, 14 November 2015, 17:06:02
I would be interested in a middle piece for a Planck and a matching wrist rest. I've been thinking about having a middle piece with a built in wrist rest (i.e. as a single piece). Would that be possible? Also, rounded corners would be nice!
It is totally possible! So it that a middle piece for the plank with wrist rest as a single piece? Or did you want a separate wrist rest?
I've been lurking this thread for quite some time, I think I've finally decided that I want some. Probably going to pick up a few TKLs, a numpad if possible and one to fit the lightsaver/rs96 which is just an inch longer than TKL.
Too easy, keep in mind shipping might be a bit pricey for that if I can't sort out a US based distributor.
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 14 November 2015, 19:33:23
Post by: tr4ktor on Sun, 15 November 2015, 14:51:53
I would be interested in a middle piece for a Planck and a matching wrist rest. I've been thinking about having a middle piece with a built in wrist rest (i.e. as a single piece). Would that be possible? Also, rounded corners would be nice!
It is totally possible! So it that a middle piece for the plank with wrist rest as a single piece? Or did you want a separate wrist rest?
Middle piece and wrist rest as a single piece :D
Post by: cryptokey on Sun, 15 November 2015, 14:54:34
Dimensions of POK3R are 295*102*38mm
Post by: E3E on Sun, 15 November 2015, 15:11:25
Post by: jaffers on Mon, 16 November 2015, 02:30:12
Post by: SploogeFactory on Mon, 16 November 2015, 06:58:46
If people could start posting the dimensions of their keyboards that would be great. I will have a very customizable form to fill out when I finish up uni in about a week now for everyone's orders so you can get it made to your exact specifications. All I need now is height and width so I can get a better understanding on how shipping will fare.
I am currently looking for volunteers for people to help out with the American shipment, if you'd like to offer a hand out just PM me and we can discuss details there.
If anyone has the dimensions of a Pok3r, shouldn't be too hard to find even online but yeah would be appreciated.
Post by: jaffers on Tue, 17 November 2015, 04:20:04
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 17 November 2015, 04:27:46
I have seen this thread before when it first went up and I failed to make a post here, but I have now made the effort to do so.
I cannot wait to see samples of the different styles out there.
This is absolutely phenomenal and I cannot wait to see the updates roll out.
Post by: jaffers on Tue, 17 November 2015, 04:52:43
This project definitely intrigues me and the price is fantastic!
I have seen this thread before when it first went up and I failed to make a post here, but I have now made the effort to do so.
I cannot wait to see samples of the different styles out there.
This is absolutely phenomenal and I cannot wait to see the updates roll out.
Glad you think so man, I'm itching to get started on this. Hopefully the samples turn out as I hope
Post by: trees on Tue, 17 November 2015, 08:27:14
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 17 November 2015, 08:42:23
And I will buy two 60% waxed models. I love rosewood. My favorite pieces had interesting grain in the dark wood with some light toward the edges. So nice.
Post by: kurplop on Wed, 18 November 2015, 06:53:14
The picture shows an end grain cut and really shows the wood in all of its glory. Is that how you intend to orient them? Do you know of any issues with shrinkage cracks in rosewood? Is rosewood reliably strong (translate-split resistant) cut that way given the length to thickness ratio?
Do you know if there will be any concerns about customs? That is, will there be additional import taxes or difficulty shipping a wood that is on certain endangered species lists?
I don't know if these are concerns at all but thought it best to be proactive and ask rather than be disappointed later.
Post by: jaffers on Wed, 18 November 2015, 09:19:43
I think that the sample picture in the opening post is absolutely beautiful and would love to get some. I do have a few questions though.
The picture shows an end grain cut and really shows the wood in all of its glory. Is that how you intend to orient them? Do you know of any issues with shrinkage cracks in rosewood? Is rosewood reliably strong (translate-split resistant) cut that way given the length to thickness ratio?
Do you know if there will be any concerns about customs? That is, will there be additional import taxes or difficulty shipping a wood that is on certain endangered species lists?
I don't know if these are concerns at all but thought it best to be proactive and ask rather than be disappointed later.
That picture is not mine, its just an example of the rounding I was talking about.
Unless you live in the EU (where there might be VAT) than there shouldn't be any import taxes. Rosewood itself is EXTREMELY strong and we primarily use it as fence posts for the cattle station that I come from, termites don't touch it.
As far as cracking and shrinkage goes it is also an oily wood as apposed to watery, meaning there is little shrinkage to begin with. Its a hard wood, density of 0.7 g/cm^3 compared with pine which has a density of 0.56 g/cm^3
Its not at all endangered at all. It grows everywhere in Queensland.
Post by: linkshine on Wed, 18 November 2015, 11:12:56
Just lemme know what I can do. Definitely interested in helping and using one myself!
Post by: jaffers on Wed, 18 November 2015, 15:12:44
I can help with US orders. I'm in Arkansas as opposed to many of these "coasters" :P
Just lemme know what I can do. Definitely interested in helping and using one myself!
Hi Linkshine! Thanks for offering but I already have 2 people on opposite coasts distributing. Appreciate that you want to help out though!
Post by: linkshine on Wed, 18 November 2015, 15:20:10
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Post by: jaffers on Thu, 19 November 2015, 03:22:36
I am looking at getting prototypes done in the next two week and then the group buy will start!
http://goo.gl/forms/4sva4RfZE3
Post by: jaffers on Thu, 19 November 2015, 03:31:04
no worries brah, will just wait for the buy then!Show Image(http://cdn.head-fi.org/7/74/350x233px-LL-74b82652_lozGr_GIF_Collection_of_someone_eating_popcorn-s360x240-181194-580.gif)
Thanks again for offering a hand dude
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 19 November 2015, 08:22:08
The draft is up! I will stress again that this is not the actual order form and I just want feedback to clear up any confusion surrounding the possible options.
I am looking at getting prototypes done in the next two week and then the group buy will start!
http://goo.gl/forms/4sva4RfZE3
Nice. If you want it simpler you can lump all 60% boards together IMHO. Ditto for 87's.
I might have missed it; do you have a picture of flame finish vs plain?
Post by: jaffers on Fri, 20 November 2015, 00:10:05
The draft is up! I will stress again that this is not the actual order form and I just want feedback to clear up any confusion surrounding the possible options.
I am looking at getting prototypes done in the next two week and then the group buy will start!
http://goo.gl/forms/4sva4RfZE3
Nice. If you want it simpler you can lump all 60% boards together IMHO. Ditto for 87's.
I might have missed it; do you have a picture of flame finish vs plain?
No pictures for any thing yet, will be working on getting some prototypes done soon
Post by: Air tree on Fri, 20 November 2015, 05:26:11
Can't wait to see those prototypes. ^-^
Post by: henz on Fri, 20 November 2015, 05:27:18
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 20 November 2015, 09:32:00
Post by: jaffers on Sat, 21 November 2015, 07:30:52
Can there be an option for tung oil and then a shellac finish coating? That's if you have the real deal tung oil, if it's just a tung oil finish then I'll probably just go with that.
I'll see, I'm not sure how well the shellac will stick to the tung oil, but in any case you are probably just better going with a straight up shellac finish if that is the sort of thing you are looking for
Post by: jaffers on Sat, 21 November 2015, 22:41:38
(http://i.imgur.com/fFBKt7z.jpg)
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 22 November 2015, 11:17:05
Can there be an option for tung oil and then a shellac finish coating? That's if you have the real deal tung oil, if it's just a tung oil finish then I'll probably just go with that.
I'll see, I'm not sure how well the shellac will stick to the tung oil, but in any case you are probably just better going with a straight up shellac finish if that is the sort of thing you are looking for
Ok, I've seen some people use both if it is true tung oil and not just tung oil finish. The shellac coating is then just meant to make a more smooth, water resistant finish.
Post by: Sockets on Mon, 23 November 2015, 22:31:21
Post by: just66in on Sat, 05 December 2015, 02:40:18
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 06 December 2015, 15:36:46
Post by: jaffers on Sun, 06 December 2015, 23:56:04
Hello sir I hope the production of the prototypes are going well. No need to respond I just wanted to drop a little encouragement (background: I've been working on prototypes for one of my projects for a good year and a half now; I'm so thankful for the folks in my thread that drop a bit of encouragement now and then).
Looking forward on the prototypes. Been holding out all other wrist rest buys for this one ( and also mainly due to pricing :)) )
I can't wait to see the different finishes on the prototypes! Count me interested for a couple. ;D
Hi hi, yes I am here, and yes I am working on the prototypes! ;) Thanks for the interest
I've been very busy with work and haven't really gotten a break but things are progressing. Things come up that you just can't accommodate for, such as planer blades breaking etc... Especially being as far out of town as we are (50 mins, so 100 mins round trip just in travel), simply dropping by the store to pick up a new set isn't quick task.
I've also had a few issues with the heat (i.e. I didn't expect it to be anywhere near this hot) and so I have to work fast to get the ends of the wood sealed after I cut it down otherwise it will crack.
But when I reach a process that I believe is of high enough quality and efficient enough to deal with the orders the group buy will start (hopefully before the end of the week). Also to accommodate for the orders I am pre producing some wrist rests (unfinished of course) for sizes that will be in demand (i.e. 60%, TKL).
Here is a sneak peak (I guess?) Internet not fast enough to upload the raw, and I didn't use this cause it cracked (the heat man I tell you). Should give people an idea of what the grain will look like though
(http://i.imgur.com/iRTtb4K.jpg)
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 01:00:33
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 07 December 2015, 02:04:52
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 08 December 2015, 15:14:16
Post by: SploogeFactory on Wed, 09 December 2015, 04:04:43
Hello sir I hope the production of the prototypes are going well. No need to respond I just wanted to drop a little encouragement (background: I've been working on prototypes for one of my projects for a good year and a half now; I'm so thankful for the folks in my thread that drop a bit of encouragement now and then).Looking forward on the prototypes. Been holding out all other wrist rest buys for this one ( and also mainly due to pricing :)) )I can't wait to see the different finishes on the prototypes! Count me interested for a couple. ;D
Hi hi, yes I am here, and yes I am working on the prototypes! ;) Thanks for the interest
I've been very busy with work and haven't really gotten a break but things are progressing. Things come up that you just can't accommodate for, such as planer blades breaking etc... Especially being as far out of town as we are (50 mins, so 100 mins round trip just in travel), simply dropping by the store to pick up a new set isn't quick task.
I've also had a few issues with the heat (i.e. I didn't expect it to be anywhere near this hot) and so I have to work fast to get the ends of the wood sealed after I cut it down otherwise it will crack.
But when I reach a process that I believe is of high enough quality and efficient enough to deal with the orders the group buy will start (hopefully before the end of the week). Also to accommodate for the orders I am pre producing some wrist rests (unfinished of course) for sizes that will be in demand (i.e. 60%, TKL).
Here is a sneak peak (I guess?) Internet not fast enough to upload the raw, and I didn't use this cause it cracked (the heat man I tell you). Should give people an idea of what the grain will look like thoughShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/iRTtb4K.jpg)
Nice, wood looks rich as hell!
Post by: jaffers on Fri, 11 December 2015, 01:27:35
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 11 December 2015, 21:52:07
Post by: ileben on Sat, 12 December 2015, 03:22:56
Post by: jaffers on Sun, 13 December 2015, 18:41:46
In fine with waiting, and I understand the reasoning. But we need MOAR pretty wood pics to tide us over :-)
Running off 56 kb/s internet right now so I will upload when it gets a bit faster :/
Hey, I love this project, so cool to know it's coming from right under your hands, with you cutting the tree and everything :cool: I will definitely be getting one (or more) of these, once available. Also, I'm aussie too, so I'm happy I will be able to get away with cheap shipping for once ;D
YAY aussie orders are going to be so easy, no customs, cheap shipping, the lot. Thanks for your interest man
Post by: SploogeFactory on Mon, 14 December 2015, 00:35:29
(https://i.imgur.com/sTAFEBj.jpg) This is 29.3-29.4cm wide on the stock POK3R case
(https://i.imgur.com/LSzqiN9.jpg) Didn't realise this one wasn't flat, oh well we can safely say it would add another 1mm, so 13mm lip height
(https://i.imgur.com/vzgKG7r.jpg) This Royal Glam wrist rest is 8cm across the palm area, I think it needs another 1.5cm added to it for a comfortable 60% wrist rest. so 9.5cm would be good.
Hopefully some of this helps for you Jaffers and for others with stock POK3R cases. I'll be getting a custom Inanis case eventually so I will have to work with probably slightly wider dimension and probably a little taller lip height as well.
Post by: jaffers on Mon, 14 December 2015, 01:28:57
Here are some reference photos for stock POK3R case height and length also with a royal glam wrist rest for the width of the rest, imo the wrist rests might need to be about 1.5cm longer than this one.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sTAFEBj.jpg)This is 29.3-29.4cm wide on the stock POK3R caseShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/LSzqiN9.jpg)Didn't realise this one wasn't flat, oh well we can safely say it would add another 1mm, so 13mm lip heightShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/vzgKG7r.jpg)This Royal Glam wrist rest is 8cm across the palm area, I think it needs another 1.5cm added to it for a comfortable 60% wrist rest. so 9.5cm would be good.
Hopefully some of this helps for you Jaffers and for others with stock POK3R cases. I'll be getting a custom Inanis case eventually so I will have to work with probably slightly wider dimension and probably a little taller lip height as well.
Cheers dude! This helps a lot, especially feed back on a comfortable depth. I will be using your dimensions to help out.
Nice escape key too. Goes great with those caps. TBH its the best use of rainbow caps I've seen to date, even matching cable
Post by: SploogeFactory on Mon, 14 December 2015, 01:32:08
Here are some reference photos for stock POK3R case height and length also with a royal glam wrist rest for the width of the rest, imo the wrist rests might need to be about 1.5cm longer than this one.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sTAFEBj.jpg)This is 29.3-29.4cm wide on the stock POK3R caseShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/LSzqiN9.jpg)Didn't realise this one wasn't flat, oh well we can safely say it would add another 1mm, so 13mm lip heightShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/vzgKG7r.jpg)This Royal Glam wrist rest is 8cm across the palm area, I think it needs another 1.5cm added to it for a comfortable 60% wrist rest. so 9.5cm would be good.
Hopefully some of this helps for you Jaffers and for others with stock POK3R cases. I'll be getting a custom Inanis case eventually so I will have to work with probably slightly wider dimension and probably a little taller lip height as well.
Cheers dude! This helps a lot, especially feed back on a comfortable depth. I will be using your dimensions to help out.
Nice escape key too. Goes great with those caps. TBH its the best use of rainbow caps I've seen to date, even matching cable
No worries dude, and cheers!
I'll be using probably slightly different dimensions if I get a case by Inanis done, she's got a GB on Massdrop at the moment though so don't know how long that will take.
Post by: E3E on Thu, 17 December 2015, 07:01:11
21.82mm for the Hammer case
23.34mm for the Octagon
23.04mm for the Lightpad
Of course, I think an approximation would be best. Something around 21-22mm high at the highest point would probably work for all of these and most high profile aluminum cases on Korean customs.
I think the tapered slope is less important, by that, I mean the height of the lowest end of a sloped wrist rest. That's not as important, imo.
Royal Glam's standard measurements seem about perfect for my boards, but like Splooge highlights, they might not be good for lower profile boards like the Poker series. Especially not GONs. Those are very low profile, haha.
Post by: cseng on Thu, 17 December 2015, 10:32:46
Here are some reference photos for stock POK3R case height and length also with a royal glam wrist rest for the width of the rest, imo the wrist rests might need to be about 1.5cm longer than this one.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sTAFEBj.jpg)This is 29.3-29.4cm wide on the stock POK3R caseShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/LSzqiN9.jpg)Didn't realise this one wasn't flat, oh well we can safely say it would add another 1mm, so 13mm lip heightShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/vzgKG7r.jpg)This Royal Glam wrist rest is 8cm across the palm area, I think it needs another 1.5cm added to it for a comfortable 60% wrist rest. so 9.5cm would be good.
Hopefully some of this helps for you Jaffers and for others with stock POK3R cases. I'll be getting a custom Inanis case eventually so I will have to work with probably slightly wider dimension and probably a little taller lip height as well.
Looks great. :thumb:
Post by: SploogeFactory on Thu, 17 December 2015, 17:57:07
Would you also like some measurements for some of the higher profile cases?
21.82mm for the Hammer case
23.34mm for the Octagon
23.04mm for the Lightpad
Of course, I think an approximation would be best. Something around 21-22mm high at the highest point would probably work for all of these and most high profile aluminum cases on Korean customs.
I think the tapered slope is less important, by that, I mean the height of the lowest end of a sloped wrist rest. That's not as important, imo.
Royal Glam's standard measurements seem about perfect for my boards, but like Splooge highlights, they might not be good for lower profile boards like the Poker series. Especially not GONs. Those are very low profile, haha.
You're right about the case heights, I'd imagine a lot of people here have a wide array of cases, I might end up just going with the stock POK3R measurements, I'd rather have the wrist rest lip lower than the case lip than above it. The complication begins.
Post by: Jumie on Fri, 25 December 2015, 21:49:12
Post by: SploogeFactory on Fri, 08 January 2016, 08:17:17
Post by: jaffers on Fri, 08 January 2016, 08:48:01
lol wtf, I just saw your signature line? Ha I never typed that?
Yes you did, you said you drank metho but didn't swallow ;D
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 08 January 2016, 13:36:12
lol wtf, I just saw your signature line? Ha I never typed that?
Yes you did, you said you drank metho but didn't swallow ;D
Haha I was there to witness it, drunken Splooge did in fact say it. :p
Post by: SploogeFactory on Fri, 08 January 2016, 18:37:12
Oh lol, now I see. Yeah that was pretty dangerous.lol wtf, I just saw your signature line? Ha I never typed that?
Yes you did, you said you drank metho but didn't swallow ;D
Haha I was there to witness it, drunken Splooge did in fact say it.
Post by: ileben on Fri, 15 January 2016, 18:17:26
Post by: mc707 on Sat, 27 February 2016, 12:25:36
Post by: Steezus on Sat, 27 February 2016, 13:26:26
What happened to this? I signed up to this forum because I'm looking for a wrist rest for my Planck, but it seems this group buy died out because of a damaged chainsaw or something?
Well there was never a group buy, just an interest check. OP has delayed it until further notice because of the chainsaw dying and busy schedule. He'll start it back up whenever he is ready.
Post by: Ephemeral on Sat, 27 February 2016, 14:13:40
I hope this gets revived, that rosewood is gorgeous.
Post by: jaffers on Mon, 29 February 2016, 10:17:22