Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:12:47
BACKGROUND
Hi guys! I'm new to mechanical keyboards, about a couple of months into it. After learning of custom kits I wanted to create my own. This theme, oddly enough, started because the only Ducky Shine 2 on stock at the shop was one with green LEDs. So I wondered what looks good with green? Violet of course, courtesy of the Joker! The colors match Eva 001's and after some initial feedback I figured, why not make it work for both? I hope you guys like it as much as I do!
Thanks a lot to Wilba for his template, and livingspeedbump for his awesome assistance!
POLLS ARE DONE
SET INFO
Set will be SA ABS, doubleshot using RDE for purple, VAT for green, OAS for orange, RN for red, and WFR/WA for white.
(http://i.imgur.com/xYmRhbR.jpg)
I'm now trying to finalize the novelties.
PROGRESS & UPDATES
- IC Started on 9/18/15
- Updated novelties on 9/19/15
- Poll started, updated novelties render on 9/21/15
- Poll reset, SA profile and purple on green mods chosen on 9/22/15
- Poll closed, set name is "Troubled Minds"and legend process is doubleshot on 9/23/15
- Designed new novelties, adjusted colors on 9/24/15 and 9/25/15
- Finalized novelty kits (almost), updated 2D mockups on 9/26/15
- Poll for row numbering started on 10/03/15
- Exploring group buy options on 10/07/15
- Updated mockups to the more accurate colors on 10/14/2015
- Added ErgoDox Kit on 10/22/2015
SET RENDERS & CHILD DEALS (None are final!)
Base Kit
(http://i.imgur.com/di9HbS5.png)
Numpad Kit
(http://i.imgur.com/GaEkfAD.png)
Novelties (Joker & EVA themed)
(http://i.imgur.com/feMLYKL.png)
ISO kit
(http://i.imgur.com/ZUB5EbV.png)
International Kit
(http://i.imgur.com/j87vjQa.png)
Adapter Kit
(http://i.imgur.com/0nS9gQp.png)
DVORAK/Colemak Kit
(http://i.imgur.com/ENALBYK.png)
Color Modifier Kit
(http://i.imgur.com/HoDgRCZ.png)
Planck/Atomic Kit
(http://i.imgur.com/M98LBya.png)
Ergodox Kit
(http://i.imgur.com/UlSJCrl.png)
Novelty Mockups
(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/VICgruc.jpg)
ErgoDox Mockup
(http://i.imgur.com/7MGAIsi.png)
Thanks for looking! Please leave any input/advice you have in the thread! I'm open to working with what the community wants! :thumb:
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:14:01
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:14:02
Post by: romevi on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:14:30
Finally. I've been meaning to run this set for over a year but if someone else wants to do it, I'm happy so long as it gets done. You have my support, order, and help if you need it.
lol, didn't you stop Matt3o's from running because of the Eva set?!
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:15:53
Finally. I've been meaning to run this set for over a year but if someone else wants to do it, I'm happy so long as it gets done. You have my support, order, and help if you need it.
Yeeeee finally came out :D
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:16:33
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:17:37
Finally. I've been meaning to run this set for over a year but if someone else wants to do it, I'm happy so long as it gets done. You have my support, order, and help if you need it.
lol, didn't you stop Matt3o's from running because of the Eva set?!
Well he was going to help me run the buy but I just never got around to it and of course he moved onto other projects. I don't recall ever saying "no you can't do it cuz I plan to", but I was a bit more motivated back then to design the set.
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:19:32
Finally. I've been meaning to run this set for over a year but if someone else wants to do it, I'm happy so long as it gets done. You have my support, order, and help if you need it.
Thanks! I've watched Evangelion but that was years ago and I'm not up to date so if you have ideas for the Eva kit please feel free to share!
Post by: romevi on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:19:56
Finally. I've been meaning to run this set for over a year but if someone else wants to do it, I'm happy so long as it gets done. You have my support, order, and help if you need it.
lol, didn't you stop Matt3o's from running because of the Eva set?!
Well he was going to help me run the buy but I just never got around to it and of course he moved onto other projects. I don't recall ever saying "no you can't do it cuz I plan to", but I was a bit more motivated back then to design the set.
Yeah, didn't mean you halted it, but I remember reading a comment saying that if you go with it then he won't delve into the Joker theme, or something like that.
OP, this looks great, and I love the graphic caps. I have a friend who's OBSESSED with Heath Ledger's Joker, and this may be a great way to get him into mechanical keyboards.
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:24:11
Finally. I've been meaning to run this set for over a year but if someone else wants to do it, I'm happy so long as it gets done. You have my support, order, and help if you need it.
lol, didn't you stop Matt3o's from running because of the Eva set?!
Well he was going to help me run the buy but I just never got around to it and of course he moved onto other projects. I don't recall ever saying "no you can't do it cuz I plan to", but I was a bit more motivated back then to design the set.
Yeah, didn't mean you halted it, but I remember reading a comment saying that if you go with it then he won't delve into the Joker theme, or something like that.
OP, this looks great, and I love the graphic caps. I have a friend who's OBSESSED with Heath Ledger's Joker, and this may be a great way to get him into mechanical keyboards.
Yeah that probably happened. I was ready to go ahead with the gb at any moment back then, but then Feng did his Eva set and there was a ton of other stuff (I think granite? not sure) going on as well so the timing was bad. Then I got busy and lost motivation to do it. Again I'm sure I said this before during Matt3o's IC, in the end I just want it to get done!
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:27:23
Finally. I've been meaning to run this set for over a year but if someone else wants to do it, I'm happy so long as it gets done. You have my support, order, and help if you need it.
lol, didn't you stop Matt3o's from running because of the Eva set?!
Well he was going to help me run the buy but I just never got around to it and of course he moved onto other projects. I don't recall ever saying "no you can't do it cuz I plan to", but I was a bit more motivated back then to design the set.
Yeah, didn't mean you halted it, but I remember reading a comment saying that if you go with it then he won't delve into the Joker theme, or something like that.
OP, this looks great, and I love the graphic caps. I have a friend who's OBSESSED with Heath Ledger's Joker, and this may be a great way to get him into mechanical keyboards.
Thanks a lot, the set's name is supposed to be "The Killling Joke" but the Eva kit complicates it a bit, so I'll have to come up with a new one.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:30:37
Hmm... Unit Clown? Unit Joker? Unit Jester?
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:33:31
Potential problems: well, copyright. SP won't deal with any of the copyrighted logos, so a lot of the novelty caps are a no go.
Personal problems: I'm not a fan of the red legends on the mods, but maybe it's just me. Would prefer the purple
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 18 September 2015, 16:39:11
Just got home.
Potential problems: well, copyright. SP won't deal with any of the copyrighted logos, so a lot of the novelty caps are a no go.
Personal problems: I'm not a fan of the red legends on the mods, but maybe it's just me. Would prefer the purple
Yeah that was a concern for me too, but someone told me some logos push through, some don't. Best way I guess is to try and work from there, I'll be racking my head trying to come up with alternatives. Thanks!
edit:
Maybe something like these as replacement:
(http://i.imgur.com/hWS3xUD.png)
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 18 September 2015, 17:40:23
(http://i.imgur.com/F5vhbiP.png)
Post by: just66in on Fri, 18 September 2015, 19:18:42
I personally prefer the alternative 1.25 white mod on the right (not the one with the circular shade around the eye)
Post by: switchnollie on Fri, 18 September 2015, 19:56:05
Great job, I'll be watching this one :)
Post by: trenzafeeds on Fri, 18 September 2015, 20:04:11
Edit: upon looking at the renders again, I realized how little orange is in it. I'd really just like to see more white in the base kit. Right now it's too dark for my taste, and the color white is integral to my image of the joker.
Post by: KnivesM on Fri, 18 September 2015, 20:15:32
Personally I like the red on green but it'd probably look good with purple too. Could probably do a poll for that and the profile.
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Fri, 18 September 2015, 20:27:06
I'll be keeping an eye on this for sure.
Post by: FunkMasterJ on Sat, 19 September 2015, 00:47:49
Post by: zzyjayfree on Sat, 19 September 2015, 01:56:04
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 19 September 2015, 01:57:41
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 19 September 2015, 03:21:18
edit:
Here are some updated renders for a couple of alternate color schemes. Personally I prefer the original colors and I hope we can all have what we want, but I'm not sure how offering lots of color mods will affect pricing and if it's worth it. I have to say though these colors work for me too.
(http://i.imgur.com/HdlgmPI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zgT4jAf.jpg)
Post by: romevi on Sat, 19 September 2015, 07:16:13
Post by: SL89 on Sat, 19 September 2015, 07:25:37
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Sat, 19 September 2015, 07:34:28
Post by: Coreda on Sat, 19 September 2015, 07:35:25
As others have mentioned those renders look like photos, wish more used them :)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 19 September 2015, 07:35:41
What the heck? How are these renders? They look so real...I think it's a composite, like Danger Zone. Basically photoshopping a pic of a real SA set and just changing the colors.
Post by: Coreda on Sat, 19 September 2015, 07:39:04
I think it's a composite, like Danger Zone. Basically photoshopping a pic of a real SA set and just changing the colors.
For the case and outer area maybe, but if you look at the alternate purple number row / white number row posted just a couple above, there are different surrounding key reflections.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 19 September 2015, 07:39:24
Looks interesting. I do have to say that I highly doubt that SP will be able to make some of the drippy legends. They're likely too small for SP to produce. Hit up Melissa and see what she says.You're right. For doubleshot legends SP can't go smaller than 0.02". I had to rework the Alps mountain logo to fit this constraint.
Now if you do printed legends, you can get much more detail and its cheaper. If course, then you'll have printed legends...
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 19 September 2015, 07:43:03
Post by: just66in on Sat, 19 September 2015, 07:45:20
The white honestly don't really work for me in that render (white spacebar and number row).
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 19 September 2015, 08:04:43
I've updated some of the novelties, I prefer the red legends too as I imagine somehow when Joker says something there will be blood, but I understand a lot of people want their sets to be consistent.
(http://i.imgur.com/ILfHG56.png)
There are only 2 Magi... :-[
Should there be more? I mean as far as I know there are 2 versions (Ver. 1.x and 2.x), but if you mean the three Magis themselves I'll see if I can incorporate Melchior, Balthasar and Casper.
You should change the ~ and \| keys to match the alphas.
I've included alternate colors for those keys in the base kit :)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 19 September 2015, 08:09:17
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Sat, 19 September 2015, 08:11:53
Those are renders done in 3D Max using V-Ray. I'm much more comfortable working with sets in 3D done say, Illustrator or Photoshop.Completely missed those. Thanks.
I've updated some of the novelties, I prefer the red legends too as I imagine somehow when Joker says something there will be blood, but I understand a lot of people want their sets to be consistent.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ILfHG56.png)There are only 2 Magi... :-[
Should there be more? I mean as far as I know there are 2 versions (Ver. 1.x and 2.x), but if you mean the three Magis themselves I'll see if I can incorporate Melchior, Balthasar and Casper.You should change the ~ and \| keys to match the alphas.
I've included alternate colors for those keys in the base kit :)
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 19 September 2015, 08:23:09
I'm noticing a few caps with more than two colors. OP, what is your plan for the legends? Doubleshot? Dye sub? Pad printed?
That's one of the things I want to ask here, would you prefer caps with more than two colors (maybe dyesub) or do you want doubleshot with simpler legends? The profiles, legends, etc are not set in stone. I can replace the color of the text in the "gun key" so that leaves Joker's face and the Eva 01 badge with multi-colors.
(http://i.imgur.com/LIZzlme.png)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 19 September 2015, 08:33:22
I'm not familiar with the process and capabilities of SP's SA tooling, but I can tell you for DCS, each custom doubleshot legend costs $45 to cut (one-time cost per key width, row profile doesn't matter). Dye sub legends obviously don't need to be cut but usually people only do dye sub if the caps are PBT, and I don't think SA caps are available in PBT (at least not in all sizes).I'm noticing a few caps with more than two colors. OP, what is your plan for the legends? Doubleshot? Dye sub? Pad printed?
That's one of the things I want to ask here, would you prefer caps with more than two colors (maybe dyesub) or do you want doubleshot with simpler legends? The profiles, legends, etc are not set in stone. I can replace the color of the text in the "gun key" so that leaves Joker's face and the Eva 01 badge with multi-colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LIZzlme.png)
So you're probably looking at ABS doubleshot, which again is going to get pricey with all these custom legends, and you're limited to two colors (cap color and legend color).
Pad printing may be an option but I don't think anybody would be willing to make that tradeoff just for more colorful legends.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 19 September 2015, 08:53:10
I'm not familiar with the process and capabilities of SP's SA tooling, but I can tell you for DCS, each custom doubleshot legend costs $45 to cut (one-time cost per key width, row profile doesn't matter). Dye sub legends obviously don't need to be cut but usually people only do dye sub if the caps are PBT, and I don't think SA caps are available in PBT (at least not in all sizes).I'm noticing a few caps with more than two colors. OP, what is your plan for the legends? Doubleshot? Dye sub? Pad printed?
That's one of the things I want to ask here, would you prefer caps with more than two colors (maybe dyesub) or do you want doubleshot with simpler legends? The profiles, legends, etc are not set in stone. I can replace the color of the text in the "gun key" so that leaves Joker's face and the Eva 01 badge with multi-colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LIZzlme.png)
So you're probably looking at ABS doubleshot, which again is going to get pricey with all these custom legends, and you're limited to two colors (cap color and legend color).
Pad printing may be an option but I don't think anybody would be willing to make that tradeoff just for more colorful legends.
Thanks a lot for the great info, I'm leaning towards SA ABS doubleshot. I will update the legends to meet the 0.02" limitation.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 19 September 2015, 10:18:52
Good deal.I'm not familiar with the process and capabilities of SP's SA tooling, but I can tell you for DCS, each custom doubleshot legend costs $45 to cut (one-time cost per key width, row profile doesn't matter). Dye sub legends obviously don't need to be cut but usually people only do dye sub if the caps are PBT, and I don't think SA caps are available in PBT (at least not in all sizes).I'm noticing a few caps with more than two colors. OP, what is your plan for the legends? Doubleshot? Dye sub? Pad printed?
That's one of the things I want to ask here, would you prefer caps with more than two colors (maybe dyesub) or do you want doubleshot with simpler legends? The profiles, legends, etc are not set in stone. I can replace the color of the text in the "gun key" so that leaves Joker's face and the Eva 01 badge with multi-colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LIZzlme.png)
So you're probably looking at ABS doubleshot, which again is going to get pricey with all these custom legends, and you're limited to two colors (cap color and legend color).
Pad printing may be an option but I don't think anybody would be willing to make that tradeoff just for more colorful legends.
Thanks a lot for the great info, I'm leaning towards SA ABS doubleshot. I will update the legends to meet the 0.02" limitation.
Word of advice: remember these legends are going to be tiny, so don't worry too much about lost detail as you modify them. Focus on what they look like zoomed out (esp. if you have a retina display).
Post by: zabuza1997 on Sat, 19 September 2015, 12:28:28
Post by: Phever on Sat, 19 September 2015, 12:44:30
Post by: KnivesM on Sat, 19 September 2015, 13:37:24
Loving the look of this set, will definitely be ordering a set for a friend if they do drop. Personally would rather have doubleshot legends, but I know very little about how much that would affect the cost of the set. Would take dyesub if that meant the novelties wouldn't be $200. Good luck!Couldn't do the alphas/some novelties with Dyesub, so unless it gets changed drastically that's not a option.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 19 September 2015, 14:01:24
Loving the look of this set, will definitely be ordering a set for a friend if they do drop. Personally would rather have doubleshot legends, but I know very little about how much that would affect the cost of the set. Would take dyesub if that meant the novelties wouldn't be $200. Good luck!It really depends on demand. SP will usually make as few as 25 sets. I count 14 novelty legends, that's 14 * $45 = $630. That adds $25 to the price of each novelty set. But if 35 novelty sets sell, it's only an extra $18 each. At 50 sets, it's less than $13 per set.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 19 September 2015, 17:20:12
Post by: maskey on Sat, 19 September 2015, 17:23:14
Post by: Glissant on Sat, 19 September 2015, 17:26:21
Edit: And since some new renders are there with purple that turns me back on =p
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 19 September 2015, 18:37:47
Would be interested, but the red on green instead of purple on green turned me off. That green and purple combination is too good not to keep throughout the set in my opinion.
Edit: And since some new renders are there with purple that turns me back on =p
Purple on green seems to be more popular at the moment. :)
I've updated some renders and the Joker face to follow the 0.02" limitation which is approx. 0.5mm if I'm not mistaken.
(http://i.imgur.com/UQryQGe.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TmtIWto.png)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 19 September 2015, 18:54:36
I'll say this: even if your set doesn't take off I'd say you have a promising future in doing group buy renders.
Post by: romevi on Sat, 19 September 2015, 18:56:57
I have some key set designs in mind; I may have to contract you!
Edit:
No more red clown lips?
Post by: just66in on Sat, 19 September 2015, 18:58:15
Post by: Invaderevan on Sat, 19 September 2015, 19:18:36
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 19 September 2015, 20:44:57
That looks much better with the purple.
I'll say this: even if your set doesn't take off I'd say you have a promising future in doing group buy renders.
Thanks! I'm glad people like the renders I've done :)
Seriously, these are the best renders I've seen. I thought it was a complete set when first I saw it.
I have some key set designs in mind; I may have to contract you!
Edit:
No more red clown lips?
It's a choice between multi-colored print/dyesub legends or doubleshot, I'll be putting up a poll for the specs/details when I figure out how to!
Whichever color combination it'll be (red on green or purple on green), the theme base color is already too good not to come back and just take a look :)) great, great job thesiscamper!
I love this, I would definitely pick up a full set of caps. Keep up the good work!
Thanks! I'll be refining the kits, if you have suggestions feel free to share them! :thumb:
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 20 September 2015, 03:50:33
(http://i.imgur.com/DTlsy6s.png)
Post by: just66in on Sun, 20 September 2015, 10:25:37
I really like the red NERV logo on white keycap so I tried to incorporate geekhack into the logo and avoid copyright issues. Here's an initial design I came up with:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DTlsy6s.png)
Neat! Took me several seconds to spot the difference though haha
Post by: apathy3cs on Sun, 20 September 2015, 13:08:57
Post by: Kompanion on Sun, 20 September 2015, 13:54:52
But I would definitely be down for a set of these drop! I'm in love with the green/purple colorway!
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 20 September 2015, 14:04:54
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 20 September 2015, 17:25:59
Edit:
Also "Troubled Minds" or "Disturbed" :)
Post by: Sifo on Sun, 20 September 2015, 17:42:13
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 20 September 2015, 19:00:29
I suggest "Come Sweet Death" for no particular reason.
I'll add that to the poll once I have it set up, thanks!
Edit:
Poll is up, you can find it here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1TvP_kT4kRe2BaJSv0yAZyYHrAHDHCWwt7LKMvCLhh4Q/viewform?usp=send_form
Post by: Sifo on Sun, 20 September 2015, 23:18:02
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 20 September 2015, 23:51:48
The actual reason for why I suggested Come Sweet Death is because an iconic song played in The End of Evangelion is called Komm Susser Tod (put the accent on the U), which translates to come sweet death. Thought it'd be a little fitting for the joker theme too.
I'm not familiar with that bit of info but found the name fitting anyway, since death kinda surrounds both characters. Any of the three chosen is fine with me! :)
Post by: just66in on Mon, 21 September 2015, 07:08:18
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 21 September 2015, 07:36:59
Just to be clear, the SA choice is meant to be "fully contoured" as in 1-1-2-3-4-4 instead of all 3s or any other combination. Sorry if it confused anybody.
Post by: cwils0n on Mon, 21 September 2015, 09:17:04
Post by: njbair on Mon, 21 September 2015, 12:27:01
The actual reason for why I suggested Come Sweet Death is because an iconic song played in The End of Evangelion is called Komm Susser Tod (put the accent on the U), which translates to come sweet death. Thought it'd be a little fitting for the joker theme too.
Reminds me of Last Caress.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 22 September 2015, 03:57:19
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 22 September 2015, 04:20:31
This set looks amazing!
Thanks!
I hope you guys don't mind, but I'm going to reset the poll and require a sign in, not all the questions though, it's clear SA profile and purple on green mods are the clear winners.
edit:
Link to the updated poll: http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q (http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q) I'm very sorry for the trouble.
Post by: simonyunhe on Tue, 22 September 2015, 04:33:30
Cool, now we can focus on novelty keys. Looking forward to see the new mockups.This set looks amazing!
Thanks!
I hope you guys don't mind, but I'm going to reset the poll and require a sign in, not all the questions though, it's clear SA profile and purple on green mods is the clear winner.
edit:
Link to the updated poll: http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q (http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q) I'm very sorry for the trouble.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 22 September 2015, 05:06:59
Cool, now we can focus on novelty keys. Looking forward to see the new mockups.This set looks amazing!
Thanks!
I hope you guys don't mind, but I'm going to reset the poll and require a sign in, not all the questions though, it's clear SA profile and purple on green mods are the clear winners.
edit:
Link to the updated poll: http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q (http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q) I'm very sorry for the trouble.
I will be updating the mockups, I'm planning to show renders with both Joker and Eva novelties.
Can anyone confirm if SP does dye-subbed SA PBT caps now? I've read that they can do this now but I can't confirm, I've sent an email to them but still waiting for a response.
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 22 September 2015, 05:11:17
Post by: just66in on Tue, 22 September 2015, 06:45:16
This set looks amazing!
Thanks!
I hope you guys don't mind, but I'm going to reset the poll and require a sign in, not all the questions though, it's clear SA profile and purple on green mods are the clear winners.
edit:
Link to the updated poll: http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q (http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q) I'm very sorry for the trouble.
Updated poll taken :thumb:
Post by: njbair on Tue, 22 September 2015, 07:36:19
I recently read somewhere on GH that SP can only do PBT SA in like 1U and 1.5U sizes, not enough for a whole board. And making new molds for other sizes is prohibitively expensive (thousands of dollars per size).Cool, now we can focus on novelty keys. Looking forward to see the new mockups.This set looks amazing!
Thanks!
I hope you guys don't mind, but I'm going to reset the poll and require a sign in, not all the questions though, it's clear SA profile and purple on green mods are the clear winners.
edit:
Link to the updated poll: http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q (http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q) I'm very sorry for the trouble.
I will be updating the mockups, I'm planning to show renders with both Joker and Eva novelties.
Can anyone confirm if SP does dye-subbed SA PBT caps now? I've read that they can do this now but I can't confirm, I've sent an email to them but still waiting for a response.
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 22 September 2015, 07:43:45
Absolutely in for this set. That purple, green, and red in your base kit pic is absolutely cool. Absolutely love the jokes scattered on the keys. I was thinking the arrow keys could stay purple in the base kit and then offer all green arrows in the extra kit that way they could be mixed and matched.
Any chances for support for Logi/Corsair "non standard bottom" row?
Post by: simonyunhe on Tue, 22 September 2015, 07:55:57
Oh. My. Gawd. Are you from outer space??? This set is crazy sic!!!I'm also think about the arrow key and for non standard keyboard the main problem is the 6.5x spacebar.
Absolutely in for this set. That purple, green, and red in your base kit pic is absolutely cool. Absolutely love the jokes scattered on the keys. I was thinking the arrow keys could stay purple in the base kit and then offer all green arrows in the extra kit that way they could be mixed and matched.
Any chances for support for Logi/Corsair "non standard bottom" row?
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 22 September 2015, 08:10:37
I recently read somewhere on GH that SP can only do PBT SA in like 1U and 1.5U sizes, not enough for a whole board. And making new molds for other sizes is prohibitively expensive (thousands of dollars per size).
Thanks for that, if that is true then the mixed legend process for novelties with multiple colors is most likely a no-go. I guess we'll have to wait for more official info.
Oh. My. Gawd. Are you from outer space??? This set is crazy sic!!!
Absolutely in for this set. That purple, green, and red in your base kit pic is absolutely cool. Absolutely love the jokes scattered on the keys. I was thinking the arrow keys could stay purple in the base kit and then offer all green arrows in the extra kit that way they could be mixed and matched.
Any chances for support for Logi/Corsair "non standard bottom" row?
Well the initial results for the colors show that purple on green is more popular than red on green, I can add it as an alternate color mod until we know the pricing, then you can decide if it's worth it. I can also add support for non-standard rows, but in the end I'll let you decide if the price justifies adding them. Thanks, I'm glad people are liking this set :)
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 22 September 2015, 09:18:35
(http://i.imgur.com/5IkcLPx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/IdllETa.jpg)
I'll be focusing on this for now, this was originally a Joker set so pardon me if you think the Eva kit leaves a lot to be desired.
By the way, colors are based on SP ABS swatches, RDE for the violet, VAT for the greens, OAS/OBC for orange, and either RA or RN for the reds.
Post by: njbair on Tue, 22 September 2015, 10:16:22
I really feel the Eva kit needs a lot of work, but this is where we're at right now:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5IkcLPx.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IdllETa.jpg)
I'll be focusing on this for now, this was originally a Joker set so pardon me if you think the Eva kit leaves a lot to be desired.
By the way, colors are based on SP ABS swatches, RDE for the violet, VAT for the greens, OAS/OBC for orange, and either RA or RN for the reds.
I like it with the orange accents.
BTW, I don't know what Eva is, but what if you went with a basic base kit and separate add-on packs for Eva and Joker? That way you could appeal to both.
Just trying to be helpful, I'm not even sure I'd have a use for a set like this but it's been interesting to watch it evolve over the past few days.
Post by: simonyunhe on Tue, 22 September 2015, 11:01:45
Eva is from Japanese comic, somethinglikethis.I really feel the Eva kit needs a lot of work, but this is where we're at right now:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5IkcLPx.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IdllETa.jpg)
I'll be focusing on this for now, this was originally a Joker set so pardon me if you think the Eva kit leaves a lot to be desired.
By the way, colors are based on SP ABS swatches, RDE for the violet, VAT for the greens, OAS/OBC for orange, and either RA or RN for the reds.
I like it with the orange accents.
BTW, I don't know what Eva is, but what if you went with a basic base kit and separate add-on packs for Eva and Joker? That way you could appeal to both.
Just trying to be helpful, I'm not even sure I'd have a use for a set like this but it's been interesting to watch it evolve over the past few days.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/22/281862405d6a723bd40a14d26e34615e.jpg)
Post by: romevi on Tue, 22 September 2015, 11:04:50
Eva is from Japanese comic, somethinglikethis.I really feel the Eva kit needs a lot of work, but this is where we're at right now:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5IkcLPx.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IdllETa.jpg)
I'll be focusing on this for now, this was originally a Joker set so pardon me if you think the Eva kit leaves a lot to be desired.
By the way, colors are based on SP ABS swatches, RDE for the violet, VAT for the greens, OAS/OBC for orange, and either RA or RN for the reds.
I like it with the orange accents.
BTW, I don't know what Eva is, but what if you went with a basic base kit and separate add-on packs for Eva and Joker? That way you could appeal to both.
Just trying to be helpful, I'm not even sure I'd have a use for a set like this but it's been interesting to watch it evolve over the past few days.Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/22/281862405d6a723bd40a14d26e34615e.jpg)
It's from an anime, but the manga was adapted to spike interest before the pilot episode.
It's very good. I'm pretty critical about my Chinese cartoons, and I liked Evangelion a lot. One of the best endings I've seen.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 22 September 2015, 15:30:08
I really feel the Eva kit needs a lot of work, but this is where we're at right now:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5IkcLPx.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IdllETa.jpg)
I'll be focusing on this for now, this was originally a Joker set so pardon me if you think the Eva kit leaves a lot to be desired.
By the way, colors are based on SP ABS swatches, RDE for the violet, VAT for the greens, OAS/OBC for orange, and either RA or RN for the reds.
I like it with the orange accents.
BTW, I don't know what Eva is, but what if you went with a basic base kit and separate add-on packs for Eva and Joker? That way you could appeal to both.
Just trying to be helpful, I'm not even sure I'd have a use for a set like this but it's been interesting to watch it evolve over the past few days.
Yes we can treat them as separate kits if it makes more sense, you can have the base kit without the novelties if you just want the colorway. :)
Melissa answered, she said SP doesn't do SA PBT nor sublimate them so unless you guys have other suggestions it seems multi-colored novelties is a no-go.
Post by: njbair on Tue, 22 September 2015, 15:31:27
I really feel the Eva kit needs a lot of work, but this is where we're at right now:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5IkcLPx.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IdllETa.jpg)
I'll be focusing on this for now, this was originally a Joker set so pardon me if you think the Eva kit leaves a lot to be desired.
By the way, colors are based on SP ABS swatches, RDE for the violet, VAT for the greens, OAS/OBC for orange, and either RA or RN for the reds.
I like it with the orange accents.
BTW, I don't know what Eva is, but what if you went with a basic base kit and separate add-on packs for Eva and Joker? That way you could appeal to both.
Just trying to be helpful, I'm not even sure I'd have a use for a set like this but it's been interesting to watch it evolve over the past few days.
Yes we can treat them as separate kits if it makes more sense, you can have the base kit without the novelties if you just want the colorway. :)
Melissa answered, she said SP doesn't do SA PBT nor sublimate them so unless you guys have other suggestions it seems multi-colored novelties is a no-go.
Stick with SA ABS doubleshot. Multi-colored legends aren't that big a deal really.
Post by: JinDesu on Tue, 22 September 2015, 15:39:30
Post by: romevi on Tue, 22 September 2015, 15:48:30
Down for the Joker set in any form.
Wow, really? "Any"? Even this?
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Post by: katushkin on Tue, 22 September 2015, 16:43:06
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 22 September 2015, 17:15:48
Looks really really good. If only it wasn't SA.
Same
Post by: KnivesM on Tue, 22 September 2015, 17:22:52
Looks really really good. If only it wasn't SA.Wish it was Cherry as I know I like that, but I'm going to buy it to give SA a chance as I love the themes.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 22 September 2015, 17:35:54
Looks really really good. If only it wasn't SA.
Same
I'm not really attached to the profile but the poll had it almost 3-to1 for SA, but at least it's the profile you dislike and not the design! :D
Wish it was Cherry as I know I like that, but I'm going to buy it to give SA a chance as I love the themes.
Thanks for giving it a chance! I want to improve this further and I'm open to suggestions. :thumb:
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 22 September 2015, 17:36:16
Looks really really good. If only it wasn't SA.Wish it was Cherry as I know I like that, but I'm going to buy it to give SA a chance as I love the themes.
I've got the Nuclear SA set already which is really nice, I just want a different profile set.
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 22 September 2015, 18:34:49
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 22 September 2015, 19:10:40
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 23 September 2015, 08:52:01
Is there a need for us to update our poll answers? I tried today but the poll said it was taken down by the OP.
Post by: JinDesu on Wed, 23 September 2015, 09:21:29
Down for the Joker set in any form.
Wow, really? "Any"? Even this?
(Attachment Link)
Well to be fair, the any is restricted to any of the ones the OP mentioned lol...
....jesus, whatever you linked is a monstrosity....
Post by: romevi on Wed, 23 September 2015, 09:34:10
Holy s**t, that's perfect. OP, I'm totally down.
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 23 September 2015, 09:44:04
Post by: Data on Wed, 23 September 2015, 09:56:18
Post by: cwils0n on Wed, 23 September 2015, 12:47:56
I love the Joker side of this set. I like Eva too but I'm not feeling it as much on this one. The "comic book" novelty legends really nailed it for me.
I feel the same way. I was among the apparent few who actually preferred the red on green modifiers. For me, that made it seem even more joker-ish. I'll still buy a set even if it only comes with purple on green though.
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Wed, 23 September 2015, 13:42:25
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 23 September 2015, 15:03:57
"Troubled Minds."
Holy s**t, that's perfect. OP, I'm totally down.
I actually preferred "Double Trouble" as it's less serious, but "Troubled Minds" is very fitting :)
I chose mixed set in the poll when it was up before, but I wasn't thinking "mixed" meant PBT and ABS. ABS is a fine profile to go with. I'm typing on SP's DSA ABS keys now and they are far better than the stock ABS most times on any of my MX boards.
Is there a need for us to update our poll answers? I tried today but the poll said it was taken down by the OP.
There's no need to update the poll, especially since the only way to have multi-colored legends is through pad printing.
I love the Joker side of this set. I like Eva too but I'm not feeling it as much on this one. The "comic book" novelty legends really nailed it for me.
Yeah I need to improve the Eva kit, honestly it's been years since I first watched it and I'm kinda stumped with the novelties. I'll be focusing on the Eva kit, I've made some initial changes:
(http://i.imgur.com/vBMSzYi.png)
I've updated the GH/Eva logo to follow the 0.02" limitation more accurately. I've moved the Unit 1 key to R4 to replace the Eva unit head for now, and replaced the words MAGI and MAGI 2 with an icon that represents the OS based on this image: http://ayay.co.uk/backgrounds/anime/neon_genesis_evangelion/magi-system-2b.jpg (http://ayay.co.uk/backgrounds/anime/neon_genesis_evangelion/magi-system-2b.jpg)
I'll probably replace/remove the progressive knife.
Edit:
I'm thinking of using "Lose CTRL" in the Eva Kit, but in Japanese. However google translate came up with this "自制心を失います", I thought it would just be two characters.. heh.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 23 September 2015, 16:09:49
"Troubled Minds."
Holy s**t, that's perfect. OP, I'm totally down.
I actually preferred "Double Trouble" as it's less serious, but "Troubled Minds" is very fitting :)I chose mixed set in the poll when it was up before, but I wasn't thinking "mixed" meant PBT and ABS. ABS is a fine profile to go with. I'm typing on SP's DSA ABS keys now and they are far better than the stock ABS most times on any of my MX boards.
Is there a need for us to update our poll answers? I tried today but the poll said it was taken down by the OP.
There's no need to update the poll, especially since the only way to have multi-colored legends is through pad printing.I love the Joker side of this set. I like Eva too but I'm not feeling it as much on this one. The "comic book" novelty legends really nailed it for me.
Yeah I need to improve the Eva kit, honestly it's been years since I first watched it and I'm kinda stumped with the novelties. I'll be focusing on the Eva kit, I've made some initial changes:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vBMSzYi.png)
I've updated the GH/Eva logo to follow the 0.02" limitation more accurately. I've moved the Unit 1 key to R4 to replace the Eva unit head for now, and replaced the words MAGI and MAGI 2 with an icon that represents the OS based on this image: http://ayay.co.uk/backgrounds/anime/neon_genesis_evangelion/magi-system-2b.jpg (http://ayay.co.uk/backgrounds/anime/neon_genesis_evangelion/magi-system-2b.jpg)
I'll probably replace/remove the progressive knife.
Edit:
I'm thinking of using "Lose CTRL" in the Eva Kit, but in Japanese. However google translate came up with this "自制心を失います", I thought it would just be two characters.. heh.
"Double Trouble" is okay, but I like "Troubled Minds" as Evangelion is a pretty serious show, especially considering the show's motifs and Anno's battle against depression.
And as for Joker, we all know his take on seriousness in The Dark Knight.
Any way you can make any Hamill references on the board? He's my favorite Joker.
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 23 September 2015, 18:19:18
Any way you can make any Hamill references on the board? He's my favorite Joker.
I'll have to see about that, but I'll be working on the Eva kit for now :)
Post by: just66in on Wed, 23 September 2015, 20:20:56
"Troubled Minds."
Holy s**t, that's perfect. OP, I'm totally down.
I actually preferred "Double Trouble" as it's less serious, but "Troubled Minds" is very fitting :)I chose mixed set in the poll when it was up before, but I wasn't thinking "mixed" meant PBT and ABS. ABS is a fine profile to go with. I'm typing on SP's DSA ABS keys now and they are far better than the stock ABS most times on any of my MX boards.
Is there a need for us to update our poll answers? I tried today but the poll said it was taken down by the OP.
There's no need to update the poll, especially since the only way to have multi-colored legends is through pad printing.I love the Joker side of this set. I like Eva too but I'm not feeling it as much on this one. The "comic book" novelty legends really nailed it for me.
Yeah I need to improve the Eva kit, honestly it's been years since I first watched it and I'm kinda stumped with the novelties. I'll be focusing on the Eva kit, I've made some initial changes:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vBMSzYi.png)
I've updated the GH/Eva logo to follow the 0.02" limitation more accurately. I've moved the Unit 1 key to R4 to replace the Eva unit head for now, and replaced the words MAGI and MAGI 2 with an icon that represents the OS based on this image: http://ayay.co.uk/backgrounds/anime/neon_genesis_evangelion/magi-system-2b.jpg (http://ayay.co.uk/backgrounds/anime/neon_genesis_evangelion/magi-system-2b.jpg)
I'll probably replace/remove the progressive knife.
Edit:
I'm thinking of using "Lose CTRL" in the Eva Kit, but in Japanese. However google translate came up with this "自制心を失います", I thought it would just be two characters.. heh.
Good thinking but man that's one long translated "lose control". How about using just 1 word like control, lose or maybe forgotten (忘れ)?
Post by: simonyunhe on Wed, 23 September 2015, 21:49:18
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/23/5dc88104fdc1bb77b8456a351e626d6a.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/23/a57ade2720dca0eab707414c1ad5bec8.jpg)
Post by: simonyunhe on Wed, 23 September 2015, 21:58:10
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/23/1cb1aa41698848cbdcd6e593b02192cb.jpg)
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 23 September 2015, 22:03:14
Find another one.Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/23/1cb1aa41698848cbdcd6e593b02192cb.jpg)
Nice find, thanks!
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 24 September 2015, 15:17:41
Changes so far, there are two "Seele" keys as the original may be unfamiliar enough that we can use it "as is".
Edit:
I don't think the joker face with all black color looks recognizable, the red grin is better. I'll have to find the perfect grin, I tried the cartoony ones with the teeth but the result was... not nice.
Post by: Fire Brand on Thu, 24 September 2015, 15:33:09
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/fire_brand15/11311585_1628070620792545_262771704_n.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/fire_brand15/media/11311585_1628070620792545_262771704_n.jpg.html)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EZ1yHrD.png)
Changes so far, there are two "Seele" keys as the original may be unfamiliar enough that we can use it "as is".
Edit:
I don't think the joker face with all black color looks recognizable, the red grin is better. I'll have to find the perfect grin, I tried the cartoony ones with the teeth but the result was... not nice.
Excellent
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 24 September 2015, 15:43:48
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 24 September 2015, 15:44:28
(http://i.imgur.com/BCUrZWq.png)
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 24 September 2015, 16:09:20
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EZ1yHrD.png)
Changes so far, there are two "Seele" keys as the original may be unfamiliar enough that we can use it "as is".
Edit:
I don't think the joker face with all black color looks recognizable, the red grin is better. I'll have to find the perfect grin, I tried the cartoony ones with the teeth but the result was... not nice.
I think some of those symbols are a little too intricate for the mold. There is some rule about size/weight of characters.
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 24 September 2015, 16:17:29
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EZ1yHrD.png)
Changes so far, there are two "Seele" keys as the original may be unfamiliar enough that we can use it "as is".
Edit:
I don't think the joker face with all black color looks recognizable, the red grin is better. I'll have to find the perfect grin, I tried the cartoony ones with the teeth but the result was... not nice.
I think some of those symbols are a little too intricate for the mold. There is some rule about size/weight of characters.
Yep, 0.02", I just dish out initial ideas then adjust it to the limitation if I think it's worth working on :)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 24 September 2015, 16:31:45
Maybe I should use a different face... what do you guys think?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BCUrZWq.png)
Ooh, yeah. I like that! The eyes are very much Hamill while the mouth is Ledger. Great combo!
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 24 September 2015, 16:36:04
Maybe I should use a different face... what do you guys think?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BCUrZWq.png)
Ooh, yeah. I like that! The eyes are very much Hamill while the mouth is Ledger. Great combo!
Yeah I think I 'll go with that face, even in black and white it is recognizable :thumb:
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 24 September 2015, 16:54:27
What about red on white? Would make more sense.Show Image(http://img01.deviantart.net/a460/i/2005/167/c/c/a_joker__s_grin_by_thekid23.jpg)
Yeah I tried that, maybe it was the reference I got wrong but it didn't work out too well. I didin't want to make it too cartoony, I wanted the more serious/gruesome Glasgow smile. Just doing the red lips with a wide grin looked "meh", but trying to add teeth made it "bleh".
edit:
adjusted the image to remove the small details
(http://i.imgur.com/1vRmg0b.png)
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 24 September 2015, 17:16:53
What about red on white? Would make more sense.Show Image(http://img01.deviantart.net/a460/i/2005/167/c/c/a_joker__s_grin_by_thekid23.jpg)
Yeah I tried that, maybe it was the reference I got wrong but it didn't work out too well. I didin't want to make it too cartoony, I wanted the more serious/gruesome Glasgow smile. Just doing the red lips with a wide grin looked "meh", but trying to add teeth made it "bleh".
edit:
adjusted the image to remove the small detailsShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/1vRmg0b.png)
What if you made it where his mouth was open, like he's laughing. I don't how difficult it would be but something like
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 24 September 2015, 17:59:41
Just an update:
(http://i.imgur.com/Wddn8Zp.jpg)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 24 September 2015, 18:24:50
I tried something similar to that, but the monochromatic red doesn't really translate well for me, red teeth and all. I'll try it again later with a different grin.Looking fantabulous.
Just an update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Wddn8Zp.jpg)
But I agree that, if the other mods are going to have red legends, the face should be red in uniform.
Your call, though. You've already got a sale from me!
Edit:
Not sure where you are with the IC, but I hope you keep the Eva interchangeability. The fact that I can have two sets in one is whack.
The good kind.
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 24 September 2015, 18:28:44
I tried something similar to that, but the monochromatic red doesn't really translate well for me, red teeth and all. I'll try it again later with a different grin.Looking fantabulous.
Just an update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Wddn8Zp.jpg)
But I agree that, if the other mods are going to have red legends, the face should be red in uniform.
Your call, though. You've already got a sale from me!
Edit:
Not sure where you are with the IC, but I hope you keep the Eva interchangeability. The fact that I can have two sets in one is whack.
The good kind.
Thanks! I'll need to take a break and organize my thoughts. Here's an update to the Eva kit:
(http://i.imgur.com/wYlPH3k.jpg)
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 September 2015, 19:29:36
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zgT4jAf.jpg)
REALLY love this colour-way.
Always remember to keep it simple, stupid, because those key-sets that have a minimum of TWO colours last for ages on any keyboard but those key-sets that scream multiple colours, get tossed into the trash fairly quickly.
Hope this one goes into SP's molds soon and finally having Purple and Green, is so good on many levels....... he he he.
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 24 September 2015, 19:33:22
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zgT4jAf.jpg)
REALLY love this colour-way.
Always remember to keep it simple, stupid, because those key-sets that have a minimum of TWO colours last for ages on any keyboard but those key-sets that scream multiple colours, get tossed into the trash fairly quickly.
Hope this one goes into SP's molds soon and finally having Purple and Green, is so good on many levels....... he he he.
Sadly even if we were to push to a GB immediately it would still take awhile to get the caps since SP is flooded with SA sets. Hence why Danger Zone has an estimated delivery date of Feb 2, 2016 on Massdrop.
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 24 September 2015, 19:39:22
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zgT4jAf.jpg)
REALLY love this colour-way.
Always remember to keep it simple, stupid, because those key-sets that have a minimum of TWO colours last for ages on any keyboard but those key-sets that scream multiple colours, get tossed into the trash fairly quickly.
Hope this one goes into SP's molds soon and finally having Purple and Green, is so good on many levels....... he he he.
Point well taken, thanks! The base kit has all the clean and simple colors and I figured the novelty kits can each have an identity of their own. I will keep your advice in mind though! :)
Good point about the production queue, but better to start it now than later I guess!
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 September 2015, 20:44:56
Good point about the production queue, but better to start it now than later I guess!
Yeah from now on SP won't be able to make anything for this year at all.
This colour-way is strictly for next year, which would be better for timing of all shipments because you don't want to post anything around Christmas time.
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 24 September 2015, 20:53:17
Good point about the production queue, but better to start it now than later I guess!
Yeah from now on SP won't be able to make anything for this year at all.
This colour-way is strictly for next year, which would be better for timing of all shipments because you don't want to post anything around Christmas time.
Exactly, and hopefully by that time the design has been tweaked to almost perfection :)
Post by: KnivesM on Thu, 24 September 2015, 23:49:50
I tried something similar to that, but the monochromatic red doesn't really translate well for me, red teeth and all. I'll try it again later with a different grin.Looking fantabulous.
Just an update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Wddn8Zp.jpg)
But I agree that, if the other mods are going to have red legends, the face should be red in uniform.
Your call, though. You've already got a sale from me!
Edit:
Not sure where you are with the IC, but I hope you keep the Eva interchangeability. The fact that I can have two sets in one is whack.
The good kind.
Thanks! I'll need to take a break and organize my thoughts. Here's an update to the Eva kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wYlPH3k.jpg)
I'll probably replace/remove the progressive knife.Awe, I liked the knife too, the new keys look nice though. Maybe a little out of place though with the color difference.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 25 September 2015, 00:08:36
I preferred the knife, too. :(I tried something similar to that, but the monochromatic red doesn't really translate well for me, red teeth and all. I'll try it again later with a different grin.Looking fantabulous.
Just an update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Wddn8Zp.jpg)
But I agree that, if the other mods are going to have red legends, the face should be red in uniform.
Your call, though. You've already got a sale from me!
Edit:
Not sure where you are with the IC, but I hope you keep the Eva interchangeability. The fact that I can have two sets in one is whack.
The good kind.
Thanks! I'll need to take a break and organize my thoughts. Here's an update to the Eva kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wYlPH3k.jpg)I'll probably replace/remove the progressive knife.Awe, I liked the knife too, the new keys look nice though. Maybe a little out of place though with the color difference.
Maybe don't get too crazy with the black keys. As old-man Elrick said: the fewer the colors, the better. I realize some black is used for Joker, but as for the actual caps it's a bit unfocused with the green, purple, and orange, and then clashing that with the black mods.
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 25 September 2015, 00:28:31
I tried something similar to that, but the monochromatic red doesn't really translate well for me, red teeth and all. I'll try it again later with a different grin.Looking fantabulous.
Just an update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Wddn8Zp.jpg)
But I agree that, if the other mods are going to have red legends, the face should be red in uniform.
Your call, though. You've already got a sale from me!
Edit:
Not sure where you are with the IC, but I hope you keep the Eva interchangeability. The fact that I can have two sets in one is whack.
The good kind.
Thanks! I'll need to take a break and organize my thoughts. Here's an update to the Eva kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wYlPH3k.jpg)I'll probably replace/remove the progressive knife.Awe, I liked the knife too, the new keys look nice though. Maybe a little out of place though with the color difference.
I was thinking which novelty I should drop to limit the number (and price), I didn't know anyone liked it and I have to round off the edges because 0.02". It's easy enough to bring back, I got backup files :D
After thinking about the colors I guess I got a little (a lot) too carried away and will limit the colors, here's an idea for the HAHA key, not sure if going to the edges is possible/okay:
(http://i.imgur.com/ArbBkLk.png)
Post by: andCoffee on Fri, 25 September 2015, 00:42:41
Or if you want to take relevant text, one of the recent movies was called "You Can (Not) Advance" so (Not) Advance might make a decent replacement for backspace.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 25 September 2015, 00:43:21
Both are pretty good. The one on the left makes me think he's giggling, while the one on the right makes me think he's bursting out laughing.I tried something similar to that, but the monochromatic red doesn't really translate well for me, red teeth and all. I'll try it again later with a different grin.Looking fantabulous.
Just an update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Wddn8Zp.jpg)
But I agree that, if the other mods are going to have red legends, the face should be red in uniform.
Your call, though. You've already got a sale from me!
Edit:
Not sure where you are with the IC, but I hope you keep the Eva interchangeability. The fact that I can have two sets in one is whack.
The good kind.
Thanks! I'll need to take a break and organize my thoughts. Here's an update to the Eva kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wYlPH3k.jpg)I'll probably replace/remove the progressive knife.Awe, I liked the knife too, the new keys look nice though. Maybe a little out of place though with the color difference.
I was thinking which novelty I should drop to limit the number (and price), I didn't know anyone liked it and I have to round off the edges because 0.02". It's easy enough to bring back, I got backup files :D
After thinking about the colors I guess I got a little (a lot) too carried away and will limit the colors, here's an idea for the HAHA key, not sure if going to the edges is possible/okay:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ArbBkLk.png)
Post by: romevi on Fri, 25 September 2015, 00:44:59
The Lance Of Longinus might be better than the knife as a backspace.Wait, is he doing show or movie? Or both?
Or if you want to take relevant text, one of the recent movies was called "You Can (Not) Advance" so (Not) Advance might make a decent replacement for backspace.
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 25 September 2015, 00:50:40
The Lance Of Longinus might be better than the knife as a backspace.
Or if you want to take relevant text, one of the recent movies was called "You Can (Not) Advance" so (Not) Advance might make a decent replacement for backspace.
I've made one with the spearhead only since it's too long and I didn't like how it turned out because of the loss of detail, maybe I'll try again.
Both are pretty good. The one on the left makes me think he's giggling, while the one on the right makes me think he's bursting out laughing.
I think I'll go with the one on the right, since I'll have to round off the tips and corners of the old one and it won't have the same visual effect.
Post by: KnivesM on Fri, 25 September 2015, 01:15:16
Those both look nice, would be cool to get the knife back as well. With the off colors you can always do a child pack with out of theme colors for people who want to use them regardless of the color or on another sets, so don't scrap them just yet. I like the novelties and colors on some just clashes a bit with the current color scheme, would still buy them in a child pack to go on other sets.I tried something similar to that, but the monochromatic red doesn't really translate well for me, red teeth and all. I'll try it again later with a different grin.Looking fantabulous.
Just an update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Wddn8Zp.jpg)
But I agree that, if the other mods are going to have red legends, the face should be red in uniform.
Your call, though. You've already got a sale from me!
Edit:
Not sure where you are with the IC, but I hope you keep the Eva interchangeability. The fact that I can have two sets in one is whack.
The good kind.
Thanks! I'll need to take a break and organize my thoughts. Here's an update to the Eva kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wYlPH3k.jpg)I'll probably replace/remove the progressive knife.Awe, I liked the knife too, the new keys look nice though. Maybe a little out of place though with the color difference.
I was thinking which novelty I should drop to limit the number (and price), I didn't know anyone liked it and I have to round off the edges because 0.02". It's easy enough to bring back, I got backup files :D
After thinking about the colors I guess I got a little (a lot) too carried away and will limit the colors, here's an idea for the HAHA key, not sure if going to the edges is possible/okay:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ArbBkLk.png)
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 25 September 2015, 01:27:46
Those both look nice, would be cool to get the knife back as well. With the off colors you can always do a child pack with out of theme colors for people who want to use them regardless of the color or on another sets, so don't scrap them just yet. I like the novelties and colors on some just clashes a bit with the current color scheme, would still buy them in a child pack to go on other sets.
I've gone back to the simplest colors for now, then decide which one needs to be changed. I kept the Magi icon since it kinda replaces the Win key, I've also returned the Eva head since it's his kit anyway. I might use an orange cap for the Unit 1 badge since it looked good earlier. Oh, and I returned the knife, I really thought nobody cared :D
(http://i.imgur.com/WjBCHjS.png)
Post by: simonyunhe on Fri, 25 September 2015, 02:39:29
This one looks much better and thanks for bring the Eva head back. LOL!Those both look nice, would be cool to get the knife back as well. With the off colors you can always do a child pack with out of theme colors for people who want to use them regardless of the color or on another sets, so don't scrap them just yet. I like the novelties and colors on some just clashes a bit with the current color scheme, would still buy them in a child pack to go on other sets.
I've gone back to the simplest colors for now, then decide which one needs to be changed. I kept the Magi icon since it kinda replaces the Win key, I've also returned the Eva head since it's his kit anyway. I might use an orange cap for the Unit 1 badge since it looked good earlier. Oh, and I returned the knife, I really thought nobody cared :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/WjBCHjS.png)
Post by: Hexterdude on Fri, 25 September 2015, 02:50:14
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 25 September 2015, 05:07:05
I've gone back to the simplest colors for now, then decide which one needs to be changed. I kept the Magi icon since it kinda replaces the Win key, I've also returned the Eva head since it's his kit anyway. I might use an orange cap for the Unit 1 badge since it looked good earlier. Oh, and I returned the knife, I really thought nobody cared :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/WjBCHjS.png)
Very nice.
Yeah, keep it simple and the crowds will rush in because the combo of Purple and Green hasn't been done yet here on Geekhack hence you shall be the First one, to trademark it for yourself.
Just be careful with any possible Trademark issues, concerning your icons because SP won't make them unless they're all publicly available or you created them from scratch.
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 25 September 2015, 06:25:30
I've gone back to the simplest colors for now, then decide which one needs to be changed. I kept the Magi icon since it kinda replaces the Win key, I've also returned the Eva head since it's his kit anyway. I might use an orange cap for the Unit 1 badge since it looked good earlier. Oh, and I returned the knife, I really thought nobody cared :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/WjBCHjS.png)
Very nice.
Yeah, keep it simple and the crowds will rush in because the combo of Purple and Green hasn't been done yet here on Geekhack hence you shall be the First one, to trademark it for yourself.
Just be careful with any possible Trademark issues, concerning your icons because SP won't make them unless they're all publicly available or you created them from scratch.
Yeah, thanks for the great advice about the colors, it's been pointed out to me before but I strayed again :D
I've drawn the novelties from scratch based on various references :)
Post by: just66in on Fri, 25 September 2015, 08:30:22
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 25 September 2015, 08:42:56
Post by: Data on Fri, 25 September 2015, 08:47:37
I tried something similar to that, but the monochromatic red doesn't really translate well for me, red teeth and all. I'll try it again later with a different grin.Looking fantabulous.
Just an update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Wddn8Zp.jpg)
But I agree that, if the other mods are going to have red legends, the face should be red in uniform.
Your call, though. You've already got a sale from me!
Edit:
Not sure where you are with the IC, but I hope you keep the Eva interchangeability. The fact that I can have two sets in one is whack.
The good kind.
Thanks! I'll need to take a break and organize my thoughts. Here's an update to the Eva kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wYlPH3k.jpg)I'll probably replace/remove the progressive knife.Awe, I liked the knife too, the new keys look nice though. Maybe a little out of place though with the color difference.
I was thinking which novelty I should drop to limit the number (and price), I didn't know anyone liked it and I have to round off the edges because 0.02". It's easy enough to bring back, I got backup files :D
After thinking about the colors I guess I got a little (a lot) too carried away and will limit the colors, here's an idea for the HAHA key, not sure if going to the edges is possible/okay:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ArbBkLk.png)
It's possible to print to the edge of the cap with dye sublimation, but it's very difficult to get it perfectly aligned. Read the thread on the Galaxy Class key set for a great example of SP's extreme difficulty with that process. Dye sub will also limit your color options -- since you're using a very bright green base color it shouldn't be an issue. It's impossible (for SP at least) to do a doubleshot legend that way. They have very strict guidelines for custom legends, I'm sure you've already seen them.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 25 September 2015, 08:52:19
I'm just thinking that some people may voice that they prefer one over the other and won't like having to get both sets in one if they want just one.
Doesn't matter for me, though. Gonna use both anyway.
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 25 September 2015, 08:54:44
It's possible to print to the edge of the cap with dye sublimation, but it's very difficult to get it perfectly aligned. Read the thread on the Galaxy Class key set for a great example of SP's extreme difficulty with that process. Dye sub will also limit your color options -- since you're using a very bright green base color it shouldn't be an issue. It's impossible (for SP at least) to do a doubleshot legend that way. They have very strict guidelines for custom legends, I'm sure you've already seen them.
I haven't seen the guidelines, I'm just going by the info I get from others. I'll be looking for a copy. I think a little offset from the edge would be okay, thanks for the heads up! :)
edit:
Also, just a thought, but would it be better to split the novelties into Eva and Joker? I've never run a GB, so I don't know how that goes.
I'm just thinking that some people may voice that they prefer one over the other and won't like having to get both sets in one if they want just one.
Doesn't matter for me, though. Gonna use both anyway.
That's the plan, to split the Joker and Eva sets unless it actually does more harm than good. People should be able to buy even just the base kit without the novelties so they can just enjoy the colorway if the novelties don't interest them :)
Post by: Data on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:08:45
It's possible to print to the edge of the cap with dye sublimation, but it's very difficult to get it perfectly aligned. Read the thread on the Galaxy Class key set for a great example of SP's extreme difficulty with that process. Dye sub will also limit your color options -- since you're using a very bright green base color it shouldn't be an issue. It's impossible (for SP at least) to do a doubleshot legend that way. They have very strict guidelines for custom legends, I'm sure you've already seen them.
I haven't seen the guidelines, I'm just going by the info I get from others. I'll be looking for a copy. I think a little offset from the edge would be okay, thanks for the heads up! :)
There's a PDF floating around here somewhere that has all the rules for legends. I'll see if I can find it.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:31:55
That's the plan, to split the Joker and Eva sets unless it actually does more harm than good. People should be able to buy even just the base kit without the novelties so they can just enjoy the colorway if the novelties don't interest them :)
Sorry, I meant splitting the Joker and Eva sets into two child deals instead of making them one. This way if people want to get Joker and not Eva, or vice versa, that'll appease those who may not want both.
Not sure if that'll clash with your "Troubled Minds" theme, though.
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:52:32
There's a PDF floating around here somewhere that has all the rules for legends. I'll see if I can find it.
Thanks, I'm trying to look for it too.
Sorry, I meant splitting the Joker and Eva sets into two child deals instead of making them one. This way if people want to get Joker and not Eva, or vice versa, that'll appease those who may not want both.
Not sure if that'll clash with your "Troubled Minds" theme, though.
That's what I meant too, sorry for the confusion. I meant separate child deals :)
I'm going to replace the Eva head, here's an initial mockup. Old one on the right, new one on the left.
(http://i.imgur.com/kZezgnJ.png)
Post by: romevi on Fri, 25 September 2015, 10:07:09
There's a PDF floating around here somewhere that has all the rules for legends. I'll see if I can find it.
Thanks, I'm trying to look for it too.Sorry, I meant splitting the Joker and Eva sets into two child deals instead of making them one. This way if people want to get Joker and not Eva, or vice versa, that'll appease those who may not want both.
Not sure if that'll clash with your "Troubled Minds" theme, though.
That's what I meant too, sorry for the confusion. I meant separate child deals :)
I'm going to replace the Eva head, here's an initial mockup. Old one on the right, new one on the left.I will probably make the eyes smallerDone:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kZezgnJ.png)
My feedback never ends!
I like the one on the right more... :-X
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 25 September 2015, 10:12:38
There's a PDF floating around here somewhere that has all the rules for legends. I'll see if I can find it.
Thanks, I'm trying to look for it too.Sorry, I meant splitting the Joker and Eva sets into two child deals instead of making them one. This way if people want to get Joker and not Eva, or vice versa, that'll appease those who may not want both.
Not sure if that'll clash with your "Troubled Minds" theme, though.
That's what I meant too, sorry for the confusion. I meant separate child deals :)
I'm going to replace the Eva head, here's an initial mockup. Old one on the right, new one on the left.I will probably make the eyes smallerDone:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kZezgnJ.png)
My feedback never ends!
I like the one on the right more... :-X
My problem with that one is it doesn't look a lot like Eva 01, I'll try to tweak the new one later :)
Post by: JinDesu on Fri, 25 September 2015, 10:49:37
Post by: just66in on Fri, 25 September 2015, 11:58:48
There's a PDF floating around here somewhere that has all the rules for legends. I'll see if I can find it.
Thanks, I'm trying to look for it too.Sorry, I meant splitting the Joker and Eva sets into two child deals instead of making them one. This way if people want to get Joker and not Eva, or vice versa, that'll appease those who may not want both.
Not sure if that'll clash with your "Troubled Minds" theme, though.
That's what I meant too, sorry for the confusion. I meant separate child deals :)
I'm going to replace the Eva head, here's an initial mockup. Old one on the right, new one on the left.I will probably make the eyes smallerDone:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kZezgnJ.png)
I prefer the newer detailed mockup (left) though.
Post by: TheMalacoda on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:21:08
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EZ1yHrD.png)
Changes so far, there are two "Seele" keys as the original may be unfamiliar enough that we can use it "as is".
Edit:
I don't think the joker face with all black color looks recognizable, the red grin is better. I'll have to find the perfect grin, I tried the cartoony ones with the teeth but the result was... not nice.
Ok. The Seele logo ones make me moist because it makes me think of Lilith on the cross in Central Dogma which is a major Eva visual for me, but I understand the black and red keys being the only ones like that is an issue. Is there another way we can incorporate the angels in this? Perhaps a green on purple (for visibility) silhouette of Adam's embyro[attach=2]?
Or one of the better known angels like Sachiel[attach=1]?
And speaking of Sachiel, what do the kanji look like for the word "Berserk"? I know some other ones have been rejected, but was it due to SP limitations or did we just not feel it?
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:42:15
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EZ1yHrD.png)
Changes so far, there are two "Seele" keys as the original may be unfamiliar enough that we can use it "as is".
Edit:
I don't think the joker face with all black color looks recognizable, the red grin is better. I'll have to find the perfect grin, I tried the cartoony ones with the teeth but the result was... not nice.
Ok. The Seele logo ones make me moist because it makes me think of Lilith on the cross in Central Dogma which is a major Eva visual for me, but I understand the black and red keys being the only ones like that is an issue. Is there another way we can incorporate the angels in this? Perhaps a green on purple (for visibility) silhouette of Adam's embyro (Attachment Link) ?
Or one of the better known angels like Sachiel (Attachment Link) ?
And speaking of Sachiel, what do the kanji look like for the word "Berserk"? I know some other ones have been rejected, but was it due to SP limitations or did we just not feel it?
As suggested by simonyunhe it's "暴走" like what HolyOOPS uses. I don't know what to do with it, I can't style as it may change the meaning because I can't read it, and the japanese characters are so detailed... I tried looking for alternate fonts than the one that shipped with Windows but it was not a priority so I dropped it. HolyOOPS also has a Sachiel key I believe, that's why I didn't push the idea of the angels.
Post by: TheMalacoda on Fri, 25 September 2015, 16:32:01
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EZ1yHrD.png)
Changes so far, there are two "Seele" keys as the original may be unfamiliar enough that we can use it "as is".
Edit:
I don't think the joker face with all black color looks recognizable, the red grin is better. I'll have to find the perfect grin, I tried the cartoony ones with the teeth but the result was... not nice.
Ok. The Seele logo ones make me moist because it makes me think of Lilith on the cross in Central Dogma which is a major Eva visual for me, but I understand the black and red keys being the only ones like that is an issue. Is there another way we can incorporate the angels in this? Perhaps a green on purple (for visibility) silhouette of Adam's embyro (Attachment Link) ?
Or one of the better known angels like Sachiel (Attachment Link) ?
And speaking of Sachiel, what do the kanji look like for the word "Berserk"? I know some other ones have been rejected, but was it due to SP limitations or did we just not feel it?
As suggested by simonyunhe it's "暴走" like what HolyOOPS uses. I don't know what to do with it, I can't style as it may change the meaning because I can't read it, and the japanese characters are so detailed... I tried looking for alternate fonts than the one that shipped with Windows but it was not a priority so I dropped it. HolyOOPS also has a Sachiel key I believe, that's why I didn't push the idea of the angels.
Lol wow. For some reason my brain did not connect "out of control" with "berserk" but it's obvious now. Awkward.
Yes HolyOOPS does have a Sachiel keycap, but there's other angels that are equally as iconic: Adam, Lillith, that one that Unit 01 eats whose name escapes me, Kaworu/Tabris, Ramiel. I doubt it's feasible because of the line width restrictions, but something that calls back to the Sephirotic System would be awesome too.
Anyway I love how this is turning out and I am definitely down for at least one of everything.
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 25 September 2015, 16:37:29
Lol wow. For some reason my brain did not connect "out of control" with "berserk" but it's obvious now. Awkward.
Yes HolyOOPS does have a Sachiel keycap, but there's other angels that are equally as iconic: Adam, Lillith, that one that Unit 01 eats whose name escapes me, Kaworu/Tabris, Ramiel. I doubt it's feasible because of the line width restrictions, but something that calls back to the Sephirotic System would be awesome too.
Anyway I love how this is turning out and I am definitely down for at least one of everything.
Thanks for the support, I'll see what I can do about the angels since at the moment the Joker kit has more novelties. Here's an update on where we are now for the Eva kit.
(http://i.imgur.com/ebYvu20.jpg)
I'll have to ask the Eva fans, would you like the Unit 1 badge to be on an orange keycap or a green one for consistency?
edit:
I made the Magi icon a bit smaller, thoughts? Oops, that red esc key was accidentally uploaded I was playing with the colors.
(http://i.imgur.com/Rz0WByN.jpg)
edited edit:
Some reference images for the angels:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/11/f2/23/11f223d142989c431f43aa10213f0a3c.jpg)
This one looks simple enough:
(http://wiki.evageeks.org/images/thumb/e/e8/OP_angel_sachiel_face_clean.jpg/180px-OP_angel_sachiel_face_clean.jpg)
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 25 September 2015, 19:16:19
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 25 September 2015, 19:34:08
I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon. The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.
I felt it was sticking out too much and made the size closer to the other legends.
edit:
Joker kit update:
(http://i.imgur.com/hlthvmT.jpg)
The "HAHA" key isn't final, if SP says it's not possible I'll revert to the old design.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Fri, 25 September 2015, 20:48:46
I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon. The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.
I felt it was sticking out too much and made the size closer to the other legends.
edit:
Joker kit update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hlthvmT.jpg)
The "HAHA" key isn't final, if SP says it's not possible I'll revert to the old design.
Damn, that's looking really nice.
Post by: just66in on Fri, 25 September 2015, 22:18:43
I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon. The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.
I felt it was sticking out too much and made the size closer to the other legends.
edit:
Joker kit update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hlthvmT.jpg)
The "HAHA" key isn't final, if SP says it's not possible I'll revert to the old design.
I'll be praying day & night that the updated Joker kit can be achieved by SP.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 25 September 2015, 22:19:46
I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon. The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.
I felt it was sticking out too much and made the size closer to the other legends.
edit:
Joker kit update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hlthvmT.jpg)
The "HAHA" key isn't final, if SP says it's not possible I'll revert to the old design.
Damn, that's looking really nice.
Totally concur. The JOKER key-set alone is the WINNER here without any doubt.
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 25 September 2015, 23:22:22
I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon. The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.
I felt it was sticking out too much and made the size closer to the other legends.
edit:
Joker kit update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hlthvmT.jpg)
The "HAHA" key isn't final, if SP says it's not possible I'll revert to the old design.
Ahhh, I see your point. From that perspective, I can see the positives of the smaller design. Honestly, it's not that huge a difference that I'd probably notice on a day-to-day basis. I think it's more that you asked specifically about it and I took specific notice of it.
That said, I'm digging the HaHa keys so much that they're my first choice so long as they get made :D
Post by: romevi on Sat, 26 September 2015, 00:16:10
I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon. The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.
I felt it was sticking out too much and made the size closer to the other legends.
edit:
Joker kit update:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hlthvmT.jpg)
The "HAHA" key isn't final, if SP says it's not possible I'll revert to the old design.
Ahhh, I see your point. From that perspective, I can see the positives of the smaller design. Honestly, it's not that huge a difference that I'd probably notice on a day-to-day basis. I think it's more that you asked specifically about it and I took specific notice of it.
That said, I'm digging the HaHa keys so much that they're my first choice so long as they get made :D
I love the new HAHA keys. Maybe embolden the other novelties so they seem more alike? Not taking up the whole front like the HAHA ones, of course, but maybe just a smidge.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 26 September 2015, 00:58:08
Ahhh, I see your point. From that perspective, I can see the positives of the smaller design. Honestly, it's not that huge a difference that I'd probably notice on a day-to-day basis. I think it's more that you asked specifically about it and I took specific notice of it.
That said, I'm digging the HaHa keys so much that they're my first choice so long as they get made :D
Sorry I should've said why I changed it. I hope the HAHA keys are possible too :)
I love the new HAHA keys. Maybe embolden the other novelties so they seem more alike? Not taking up the whole front like the HAHA ones, of course, but maybe just a smidge.
Yeah I think I changed the ones in the 2D mock-up but haven't updated the ones in the 3D, thanks!
Post by: Zorberema on Sat, 26 September 2015, 11:58:00
Post by: TheMalacoda on Sat, 26 September 2015, 13:38:37
Lol wow. For some reason my brain did not connect "out of control" with "berserk" but it's obvious now. Awkward.
Yes HolyOOPS does have a Sachiel keycap, but there's other angels that are equally as iconic: Adam, Lillith, that one that Unit 01 eats whose name escapes me, Kaworu/Tabris, Ramiel. I doubt it's feasible because of the line width restrictions, but something that calls back to the Sephirotic System would be awesome too.
Anyway I love how this is turning out and I am definitely down for at least one of everything.
Thanks for the support, I'll see what I can do about the angels since at the moment the Joker kit has more novelties. Here's an update on where we are now for the Eva kit.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ebYvu20.jpg)
I'll have to ask the Eva fans, would you like the Unit 1 badge to be on an orange keycap or a green one for consistency?
edit:
I made the Magi icon a bit smaller, thoughts? Oops, that red esc key was accidentally uploaded I was playing with the colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Rz0WByN.jpg)
edited edit:
Some reference images for the angels:Show Image(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/11/f2/23/11f223d142989c431f43aa10213f0a3c.jpg)
This one looks simple enough:Show Image(http://wiki.evageeks.org/images/thumb/e/e8/OP_angel_sachiel_face_clean.jpg/180px-OP_angel_sachiel_face_clean.jpg)
I still really love Sachiel for this since he's the first angel we see. It's also the first time we see Unit 01 go berserk, the first time Shinji gets in the robot, and the first time we get a glimmer of what it really means physically and mentally to pilot an Eva. However, the long nosed version of him is probably a bit too close to HolyOOPS version and maybe a bit long anyway. Like if you shrunk it to fit it would get distorted? I think the very last one you posted, the simple mask might be enough? With the cracks visible too would be even sweeter but line width rears its ugly head again.
I'm also digging the slightly smaller Magi and the orange Unit 01 keys. I even like the red escape with the white Nerv/GH logo you posted by accident. I think I may like that more than red logo on white... But then I seem to be the only person with opinions right now lol.
Post by: WhitePlate on Sat, 26 September 2015, 13:42:11
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 26 September 2015, 13:44:42
I still really love Sachiel for this since he's the first angel we see. It's also the first time we see Unit 01 go berserk, the first time Shinji gets in the robot, and the first time we get a glimmer of what it really means physically and mentally to pilot an Eva. However, the long nosed version of him is probably a bit too close to HolyOOPS version and maybe a bit long anyway. Like if you shrunk it to fit it would get distorted? I think the very last one you posted, the simple mask might be enough? With the cracks visible too would be even sweeter but line width rears its ugly head again.
I'm also digging the slightly smaller Magi and the orange Unit 01 keys. I even like the red escape with the white Nerv/GH logo you posted by accident. I think I may like that more than red logo on white... But then I seem to be the only person with opinions right now lol.
And this is why I never watch anime.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 26 September 2015, 14:28:23
Looks really awesome! Really awesome that you've chosen to split up the ISO and international kit for the UK buyers, and also those who use planck! On that note; will you add a planck kit? :)
Yes, I'm planning to add planck but I decided it would be better to have a finalized design before working on it :)
I still really love Sachiel for this since he's the first angel we see. It's also the first time we see Unit 01 go berserk, the first time Shinji gets in the robot, and the first time we get a glimmer of what it really means physically and mentally to pilot an Eva. However, the long nosed version of him is probably a bit too close to HolyOOPS version and maybe a bit long anyway. Like if you shrunk it to fit it would get distorted? I think the very last one you posted, the simple mask might be enough? With the cracks visible too would be even sweeter but line width rears its ugly head again.
I'm also digging the slightly smaller Magi and the orange Unit 01 keys. I even like the red escape with the white Nerv/GH logo you posted by accident. I think I may like that more than red logo on white... But then I seem to be the only person with opinions right now lol.
That's great since I'm planning to use that last image with the shorter "beak". I wanted to kinda separate the Joker from the Eva kit that's why I decided to use a white keycap, we'll see if there's more feedback, thanks!
edit:
I got a page of the "file requirements when ordering custom legends", not sure if there's more. Apparently, spacing needs to be 0.02" to 0.035", but the lines can be as thin as 0.012". Also the legend area seems to need a margin of about 0.12", I'll do a mockup later of what the HAHA key looks like with this new info.
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 26 September 2015, 14:38:18
Post by: Niomosy on Sat, 26 September 2015, 23:19:01
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 28 September 2015, 06:22:00
This would bring the total number of novelties to 18, 9 for each kit/theme. Is that too much?
Post by: just66in on Mon, 28 September 2015, 07:04:53
Post by: ideus on Mon, 28 September 2015, 07:38:08
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vEylukd.jpg)
BACKGROUND
Hi guys! I'm new to mechanical keyboards, about a couple of months into it. After learning of custom kits I wanted to create my own. This theme, oddly enough, started because the only Ducky Shine 2 on stock at the shop was one with green LEDs. So I wondered what looks good with green? Violet of course, courtesy of the Joker! The colors match Eva 001's and after some initial feedback I figured, why not make it work for both? I hope you guys like it as much as I do!
Thanks a lot to Wilba for his template, and livingspeedbump for his awesome assistance!
LINK TO THE POLL: http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q (http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q)
SET INFOAlthough the renders are SA profile, there are no details that are set in stone yet!I know SP currently has a few SA sets in the works and that making this SA would have a shipping date quite far in the future (probably April/May?)
Set will be SA ABS, doubleshot using RDE for purple, VAT for green, OAS for orange, RN for red, and WFR/WA for white.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xYmRhbR.jpg)
I'm now trying to finalize the novelties.
PROGRESS & UPDATES
- IC Started on 9/18/15
- Updated novelties on 9/19/15
- Poll started, updated novelties render on 9/21/15
- Poll reset, SA profile and purple on green mods chosen on 9/22/15
- Poll closed, set name is "Troubled Minds"and legend process is doubleshot on 9/23/15
- Designed new novelties, adjusted colors on 9/24/15 and 9/25/15
- Finalized novelty kits (almost), updated 2D mockups on 9/26/15
SET RENDERS & CHILD DEALS (None are final!)
Base KitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/TfpXKKF.png)
Numpad KitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/gRFsJ7h.png)
Novelties (Joker & EVA themed)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2Jrvg8o.png)
ISO kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/2dZHal2.png)
International KitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/nbBF1Xe.png)
Adapter KitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/GvEvlfc.png)
DVORAK/Colemak KitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/JEMuhRR.png)
Color Modifier KitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Rky7bxL.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/snQp6IQ.jpg)
Thanks for looking! Please leave any input/advice you have in the thread! I'm open to working with what the community wants! :thumb: [/q]
Your renders are top of the line.
The control replacement for the capslock should go along with the capslock replacement for the bottom left corner, so maybe you should include also the 1.5u version of it, as well.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 28 September 2015, 08:18:09
Looking good!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0zC8zNT.png)
This would bring the total number of novelties to 18, 9 for each kit/theme. Is that too much?
Not sure how others feel, but maybe keep the Joker face cap white instead of green? Not sure how badly that clashed, but I figured white to go with his clown face.
Post by: simonyunhe on Mon, 28 September 2015, 08:30:20
+1Looking good!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0zC8zNT.png)
This would bring the total number of novelties to 18, 9 for each kit/theme. Is that too much?
Not sure how others feel, but maybe keep the Joker face cap white instead of green? Not sure how badly that clashed, but I figured white to go with his clown face.
I also think about the white Joker face.
The new legend looks beautiful and I don't mind add one more novelty.
By the way, these kits are becoming better and better. Really into this one.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 28 September 2015, 14:46:26
Your renders are top of the line.
The control replacement for the capslock should go along with the capslock replacement for the bottom left corner, so maybe you should include also the 1.5u version of it, as well.
Thanks! Can you clarify which kit you mean? I'm not very familiar with the keyboard layouts yet.
Looking good!
Not sure how others feel, but maybe keep the Joker face cap white instead of green? Not sure how badly that clashed, but I figured white to go with his clown face.
+1
I also think about the white Joker face.
The new legend looks beautiful and I don't mind add one more novelty.
By the way, these kits are becoming better and better. Really into this one.
I agree but it's one of the things I'm not sure about. If I change it I'll have to change the legend color to probably black and maybe after that I'd feel the same way about the other keys and change the colors too like before. Another thing I'm thinking about is which novelties go in pairs? Currently I'm thinking the Joker and Eva face shouldn't be a pair, so if they have just one key each it's easier to change the keycap/legend color as they won't affect the mood of the whole set by much. That would bring the total number of novelty keys to 16.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 28 September 2015, 15:00:08
Your renders are top of the line.
The control replacement for the capslock should go along with the capslock replacement for the bottom left corner, so maybe you should include also the 1.5u version of it, as well.
Thanks! Can you clarify which kit you mean? I'm not very familiar with the keyboard layouts yet.Looking good!
Not sure how others feel, but maybe keep the Joker face cap white instead of green? Not sure how badly that clashed, but I figured white to go with his clown face.+1
I also think about the white Joker face.
The new legend looks beautiful and I don't mind add one more novelty.
By the way, these kits are becoming better and better. Really into this one.
I agree but it's one of the things I'm not sure about. If I change it I'll have to change the legend color to probably black and maybe after that I'd feel the same way about the other keys and change the colors too like before. Another thing I'm thinking about is which novelties go in pairs? Currently I'm thinking the Joker and Eva face shouldn't be a pair, so if they have just one key each it's easier to change the keycap/legend color as they won't affect the mood of the whole set by much. That would bring the total number of novelty keys to 16.
As for the Joker face cap, I think the black-on-white looked best, even if it clashed a bit with the rest of the keys. But I think it standing out is a good thing, so long as the other caps remain purple and green (except, of course, the Esc, Backspace, and/or Enter). To me the render of the purple-on-green Joker face looked a bit odd, but maybe it'll be better in person.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 28 September 2015, 18:22:39
As for the Joker face cap, I think the black-on-white looked best, even if it clashed a bit with the rest of the keys. But I think it standing out is a good thing, so long as the other caps remain purple and green (except, of course, the Esc, Backspace, and/or Enter). To me the render of the purple-on-green Joker face looked a bit odd, but maybe it'll be better in person.
What I'm planning to do is just include one Joker face, black on white (and just one Eva head), like I said it shouldn't affect the overall look much and a white keycap is also more faithful to the character. That would also bring down the number of novelties to 8 each kit. I'll update the 2D mockups later, thanks!
Post by: cwils0n on Tue, 29 September 2015, 06:41:55
Really great job by the way.
Post by: just66in on Tue, 29 September 2015, 07:16:44
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 29 September 2015, 07:36:38
(http://i.imgur.com/fzLTImN.png)
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 29 September 2015, 08:11:02
I'll render a 3D mockup when I have time, for now here's a 2D mockup:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fzLTImN.png)
I need this in my life. Good job!! :thumb:
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 29 September 2015, 08:12:57
I'll render a 3D mockup when I have time, for now here's a 2D mockup:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fzLTImN.png)
I have no idea what's happening at the top, but I love the bottom.
Post by: kokokoy on Tue, 29 September 2015, 09:52:30
I'll render a 3D mockup when I have time, for now here's a 2D mockup:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fzLTImN.png)
Dang!!!
Post by: sth on Tue, 29 September 2015, 09:57:31
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 29 September 2015, 10:06:38
i want this for alps, cylindricals :D
Alps SA profile - we can dream
Post by: TheMalacoda on Tue, 29 September 2015, 12:17:48
I'll render a 3D mockup when I have time, for now here's a 2D mockup:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fzLTImN.png)
It's so good I die!
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 29 September 2015, 14:49:22
(http://i.imgur.com/DmqFVnZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/P2nlogx.jpg)
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 29 September 2015, 15:22:07
Here's an update guys, let me know what you think :)
Oh my...
Post by: romevi on Tue, 29 September 2015, 15:25:57
Here's an update guys, let me know what you think :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DmqFVnZ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P2nlogx.jpg)
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Post by: admgc on Wed, 30 September 2015, 01:25:10
Seriously, these are the best renders I've seen. I thought it was a complete set when first I saw it.
Same here - fantastic renders. Good work!
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 September 2015, 05:46:48
Here's an update guys, let me know what you think :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DmqFVnZ.jpg)
My love will always be with the JOKER, grew up with him, appreciated his efforts to constantly foil the caped crusader.
You've done really good with this, taken this famous colour-way into a whole new experience for fans everywhere. Major comic stores should be selling your key-caps, that is how good your design currently is.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 30 September 2015, 05:52:56
Here's an update guys, let me know what you think :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DmqFVnZ.jpg)
My love will always be with the JOKER, grew up with him, appreciated his efforts to constantly foil the caped crusader.
You've done really good with this, taken this famous colour-way into a whole new experience for fans everywhere. Major comic stores should be selling your key-caps, that is how good your design currently is.
I can tell that this is going to be a set that future geekhackers /keyboard enthusiasts are going to go crazy trying to find and will never stop begging for a round 2 :))
Post by: just66in on Wed, 30 September 2015, 06:39:19
Here's an update guys, let me know what you think :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DmqFVnZ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P2nlogx.jpg)
:eek:
It's perfect!
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 30 September 2015, 07:11:22
Post by: cwils0n on Wed, 30 September 2015, 07:18:26
Here's an update guys, let me know what you think :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DmqFVnZ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P2nlogx.jpg)
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/clapping_joker_batman_dark_knight.gif)
Honestly, one of the best sets I've seen.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 30 September 2015, 07:42:55
This. I'm considering ordering TWO sets of everything!Here's an update guys, let me know what you think :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DmqFVnZ.jpg)
My love will always be with the JOKER, grew up with him, appreciated his efforts to constantly foil the caped crusader.
You've done really good with this, taken this famous colour-way into a whole new experience for fans everywhere. Major comic stores should be selling your key-caps, that is how good your design currently is.
I can tell that this is going to be a set that future geekhackers /keyboard enthusiasts are going to go crazy trying to find and will never stop begging for a round 2 :))
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 30 September 2015, 08:47:31
This. I'm considering ordering TWO sets of everything!Here's an update guys, let me know what you think :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DmqFVnZ.jpg)
My love will always be with the JOKER, grew up with him, appreciated his efforts to constantly foil the caped crusader.
You've done really good with this, taken this famous colour-way into a whole new experience for fans everywhere. Major comic stores should be selling your key-caps, that is how good your design currently is.
I can tell that this is going to be a set that future geekhackers /keyboard enthusiasts are going to go crazy trying to find and will never stop begging for a round 2 :))
All the best sets deserve at least two orders
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 September 2015, 18:27:56
This. I'm considering ordering TWO sets of everything!Here's an update guys, let me know what you think :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DmqFVnZ.jpg)
My love will always be with the JOKER, grew up with him, appreciated his efforts to constantly foil the caped crusader.
You've done really good with this, taken this famous colour-way into a whole new experience for fans everywhere. Major comic stores should be selling your key-caps, that is how good your design currently is.
I can tell that this is going to be a set that future geekhackers /keyboard enthusiasts are going to go crazy trying to find and will never stop begging for a round 2 :))
As a minimum, you always order TWO of EVERYTHING when you're here on Geekhack 8) .
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 30 September 2015, 18:55:20
This. I'm considering ordering TWO sets of everything!Here's an update guys, let me know what you think :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DmqFVnZ.jpg)
My love will always be with the JOKER, grew up with him, appreciated his efforts to constantly foil the caped crusader.
You've done really good with this, taken this famous colour-way into a whole new experience for fans everywhere. Major comic stores should be selling your key-caps, that is how good your design currently is.
I can tell that this is going to be a set that future geekhackers /keyboard enthusiasts are going to go crazy trying to find and will never stop begging for a round 2 :))
As a minimum, you always order TWO of EVERYTHING when you're here on Geekhack 8) .
I wish I could order two of everything, I'm on that broke college budget right now. I'm still scheming everyday on how to spend my money on keyboards lol. :p
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 01 October 2015, 15:30:21
(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 01 October 2015, 15:45:42
Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
Looks awesome! But this might be the closest we'll ever get to a real SA Row 4 shift.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 01 October 2015, 15:48:18
Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
How the ass do you get these renders?!
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 01 October 2015, 15:54:31
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 01 October 2015, 16:02:41
Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
Looks awesome! But this might be the closest we'll ever get to a real SA Row 4 shift.
Well, we could 3D print our own :)
Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
How the ass do you get these renders?!
It is my line of work, and those are just drafts, you can clearly see the noise. Cleaning it up will take a lot longer :)
Stoked for this GB. Finally gonna pickup a set of SA. Great renders really help too :D
I'm glad you guys like it, hopefully this becomes a reality.
Here's a render for the Eva kit:
(http://i.imgur.com/VICgruc.jpg)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 01 October 2015, 16:03:55
Stoked for this GB. Finally gonna pickup a set of SA. Great renders really help too :D
You can see more of his work in the Alpine Winter OP. Good stuff!
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 01 October 2015, 17:30:04
Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
Looks awesome! But this might be the closest we'll ever get to a real SA Row 4 shift.
Well, we could 3D print our own :)Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
How the ass do you get these renders?!
It is my line of work, and those are just drafts, you can clearly see the noise. Cleaning it up will take a lot longer :)Stoked for this GB. Finally gonna pickup a set of SA. Great renders really help too :D
I'm glad you guys like it, hopefully this becomes a reality.
Here's a render for the Eva kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VICgruc.jpg)
Holy crap these renders have become amazing in the last month or so
Post by: njbair on Thu, 01 October 2015, 17:34:57
Soon it will become expected that all group buys include lifelike renders.Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
Looks awesome! But this might be the closest we'll ever get to a real SA Row 4 shift.
Well, we could 3D print our own :)Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
How the ass do you get these renders?!
It is my line of work, and those are just drafts, you can clearly see the noise. Cleaning it up will take a lot longer :)Stoked for this GB. Finally gonna pickup a set of SA. Great renders really help too :D
I'm glad you guys like it, hopefully this becomes a reality.
Here's a render for the Eva kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VICgruc.jpg)
Holy crap these renders have become amazing in the last month or so
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 01 October 2015, 17:42:09
Soon it will become expected that all group buys include lifelike renders.Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
Looks awesome! But this might be the closest we'll ever get to a real SA Row 4 shift.
Well, we could 3D print our own :)Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
How the ass do you get these renders?!
It is my line of work, and those are just drafts, you can clearly see the noise. Cleaning it up will take a lot longer :)Stoked for this GB. Finally gonna pickup a set of SA. Great renders really help too :D
I'm glad you guys like it, hopefully this becomes a reality.
Here's a render for the Eva kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VICgruc.jpg)
Holy crap these renders have become amazing in the last month or so
So far I've only seen the renders for SA profile sets - they don't exist in Cherry profile yet do they?
edit: spelling
Post by: njbair on Thu, 01 October 2015, 17:44:24
Check out Alpine Winter in my sig. I've got some DCS renders that thesiscamper made for me.Soon it will become expected that all group buys include lifelike renders.Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
Looks awesome! But this might be the closest we'll ever get to a real SA Row 4 shift.
Well, we could 3D print our own :)Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y6ra6SR.jpg)
How the ass do you get these renders?!
It is my line of work, and those are just drafts, you can clearly see the noise. Cleaning it up will take a lot longer :)Stoked for this GB. Finally gonna pickup a set of SA. Great renders really help too :D
I'm glad you guys like it, hopefully this becomes a reality.
Here's a render for the Eva kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VICgruc.jpg)
Holy crap these renders have become amazing in the last month or so
So far I've only seen the renders for SA profile sets - they doesn't exist in Cherry profile yet do they?
BTW I think Danger Zone is actually a Photoshop composite, not a true 3D render.
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 01 October 2015, 17:50:02
So far I've only seen the renders for SA profile sets - they doesn't exist in Cherry profile yet do they?
I have models for DSA, SA, OEM and just recently I made DCS for njbair. I believe Cherry is very close to the last two I mentioned, I've been rendering SA almost exclusively because that's the profile for this set. At the moment sphericals fascinate me because I haven't seen one in person, I've only ever seen cylindrical keys all my life.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 01 October 2015, 17:54:33
I feel like if someone's seen your renders, they've seen spherical caps.So far I've only seen the renders for SA profile sets - they doesn't exist in Cherry profile yet do they?
I have models for DSA, SA, OEM and just recently I made DCS for njbair. I believe Cherry is very close to the last two I mentioned, I've been rendering SA almost exclusively because that's the profile for this set. At the moment sphericals fascinate me because I haven't seen one in person, I've only ever seen cylindrical keys all my life.
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 01 October 2015, 18:04:12
I feel like if someone's seen your renders, they've seen spherical caps.So far I've only seen the renders for SA profile sets - they doesn't exist in Cherry profile yet do they?
I have models for DSA, SA, OEM and just recently I made DCS for njbair. I believe Cherry is very close to the last two I mentioned, I've been rendering SA almost exclusively because that's the profile for this set. At the moment sphericals fascinate me because I haven't seen one in person, I've only ever seen cylindrical keys all my life.
Thanks for the compliment! By the way I'm intrigued by the Alps/Matias switches, maybe we can design another set for Alps one of these days :)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 01 October 2015, 18:11:11
Sounds like fun, but I think it will be a while before I'm ready to lead another GB.I feel like if someone's seen your renders, they've seen spherical caps.So far I've only seen the renders for SA profile sets - they doesn't exist in Cherry profile yet do they?
I have models for DSA, SA, OEM and just recently I made DCS for njbair. I believe Cherry is very close to the last two I mentioned, I've been rendering SA almost exclusively because that's the profile for this set. At the moment sphericals fascinate me because I haven't seen one in person, I've only ever seen cylindrical keys all my life.
Thanks for the compliment! By the way I'm intrigued by the Alps/Matias switches, maybe we can design another set for Alps one of these days :)
Just curious, do your 3D models actually have switches and stems?
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 01 October 2015, 18:13:00
Sounds like fun, but I think it will be a while before I'm ready to lead another GB.I feel like if someone's seen your renders, they've seen spherical caps.So far I've only seen the renders for SA profile sets - they doesn't exist in Cherry profile yet do they?
I have models for DSA, SA, OEM and just recently I made DCS for njbair. I believe Cherry is very close to the last two I mentioned, I've been rendering SA almost exclusively because that's the profile for this set. At the moment sphericals fascinate me because I haven't seen one in person, I've only ever seen cylindrical keys all my life.
Thanks for the compliment! By the way I'm intrigued by the Alps/Matias switches, maybe we can design another set for Alps one of these days :)
Just curious, do your 3D models actually have switches and stems?
Not these ones, but the ones I did for Alpine Winter have switches and stabilizers, no stems though.
Post by: Hexterdude on Fri, 02 October 2015, 03:06:42
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 02 October 2015, 03:24:56
Do you plan on releasing two sets of keycaps (1 Eva and 1 Joker) or do you plan on 1 big set?
Basekit with the basic colorway, and separate child deals for Joker and Eva so you can get both of them or only one of them. That's the current plan anyway.
Post by: Hexterdude on Fri, 02 October 2015, 03:37:00
Do you plan on releasing two sets of keycaps (1 Eva and 1 Joker) or do you plan on 1 big set?
Basekit with the basic colorway, and separate child deals for Joker and Eva so you can get both of them or only one of them. That's the current plan anyway.
Do you plan on making the keys have the same back-lit effect as the EVA Noctilucous PBT 104-Keyset?
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 02 October 2015, 04:02:12
Nope it's doubleshot so no backlit legends.Do you plan on releasing two sets of keycaps (1 Eva and 1 Joker) or do you plan on 1 big set?
Basekit with the basic colorway, and separate child deals for Joker and Eva so you can get both of them or only one of them. That's the current plan anyway.
Do you plan on making the keys have the same back-lit effect as the EVA Noctilucous PBT 104-Keyset?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 02 October 2015, 04:49:15
Do you plan on releasing two sets of keycaps (1 Eva and 1 Joker) or do you plan on 1 big set?
Basekit with the basic colorway, and separate child deals for Joker and Eva so you can get both of them or only one of them. That's the current plan anyway.
Wallet is now waiting for this, so don't tease her for too long before she loses interest and chases another key-set elsewhere 8) .
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 02 October 2015, 05:43:06
I'm just waiting for Melissa's confirmation that the HaHa key is possible, that's the only thing holding this back right now :)Do you plan on releasing two sets of keycaps (1 Eva and 1 Joker) or do you plan on 1 big set?
Basekit with the basic colorway, and separate child deals for Joker and Eva so you can get both of them or only one of them. That's the current plan anyway.
Wallet is now waiting for this, so don't tease her for too long before she loses interest and chases another key-set elsewhere 8) .
Post by: just66in on Fri, 02 October 2015, 06:57:30
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 02 October 2015, 07:34:00
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:00:28
So this is 1-1-2-3-3-4? Or are the renders wrong...?1-1-2-3-4-4, I just based the models on Googled images and accuracy was not high on the list when I first did it. I'm constantly improving the model so if you have suggestions to make them better that would be great :)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:33:14
Take a look at Hack'd by Geeks, which used a full-contour profile: 3-1-2-3-4-3.So this is 1-1-2-3-3-4? Or are the renders wrong...?1-1-2-3-4-4, I just based the models on Googled images and accuracy was not high on the list when I first did it. I'm constantly improving the model so if you have suggestions to make them better that would be great :)
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:35:43
(http://i.imgur.com/FnYkdGm.jpg)
Post by: nosage on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:43:02
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:43:22
Gorgeous set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FnYkdGm.jpg)
Can confirm. Am a geek.
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 02 October 2015, 09:36:51
I honestly have no idea how one would be better than the other and "used" 1-1-2-3-4-4 for this set because it made the most sense for a beginner like me, as in "this is how this profile was intended to be used".Take a look at Hack'd by Geeks, which used a full-contour profile: 3-1-2-3-4-3.So this is 1-1-2-3-3-4? Or are the renders wrong...?1-1-2-3-4-4, I just based the models on Googled images and accuracy was not high on the list when I first did it. I'm constantly improving the model so if you have suggestions to make them better that would be great :)
I'd like to know the pros and cons of either layout.
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 02 October 2015, 09:37:50
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 02 October 2015, 09:43:14
Having 4 at the bottom will hurt your thumbs.
That is a very compelling argument :D
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 02 October 2015, 09:43:51
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 09:51:21
Having 4 at the bottom will hurt your thumbs.Pretty much. SA is a very steep profile. I don't know how it was designed to be used, but having flat keys on the bottom row instead of pointy ones is definitely more finger-friendly.
Row 3 on the function row is nice because you get more novelties in row 3, and that's usually the row where keyboard bling goes.
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 02 October 2015, 10:33:48
Having 4 at the bottom will hurt your thumbs.Pretty much. SA is a very steep profile. I don't know how it was designed to be used, but having flat keys on the bottom row instead of pointy ones is definitely more finger-friendly.
Row 3 on the function row is nice because you get more novelties in row 3, and that's usually the row where keyboard bling goes.
Unless someone else presents a convincing argument for other layout/s I guess it will be 3-1-2-3-4-3, thanks a lot!
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 02 October 2015, 11:02:29
Having 4 at the bottom will hurt your thumbs.
As a Penumbra set user (1-2-3-3-3-4) who keeps their board very flat I can say that: No, it won't. The spacebar is Row 3 no matter what you choose for the other bottom row caps and symmetrical and is a lot nicer to use than DCS profile or even Cherry profile. In fact since I use my pinkies for Ctrl and Fn, I find I prefer Row 4 mods on the bottom row. However, I don't use Alt much, but I still find the angle of Row 4 subtle enough so my thumbs don't hit the edge.
jdcarpe, the designer of the Hack'd by Geeks set said that if he knew at the time that SP could do Row 4 bottom row mods, Hack'd would have had them.
Having the Fn row and number row with the same profile allows you to use the Esc on the number row for 60% boards, but it's just one extra cap if you choose to have them different. I don't really like how R3 Fn row looks if you have R1 number row, so I prefer to have them both R1 personally.
1-1-2-3-4-4 is a standard across all "normal" sculpted profiles (OEM, Cherry, DCS, etc), so I don't see why it shouldn't also be used for SA. IMHO, the only reason to use R3 on the top row is for novelties...
It's mostly personal preference, really. I think most would be happy with either 3-1-2-3-4-3 OR 1-1-2-3-4-4 OR 3-1-2-3-4-4... As long as the centre part is 1-2-3-4.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 11:07:57
Having 4 at the bottom will hurt your thumbs.
As a Penumbra set user (1-2-3-3-3-4) who keeps their board very flat I can say that: No, it won't. The spacebar is Row 3 no matter what you choose for the other bottom row caps and symmetrical and is a lot nicer to use than DCS profile or even Cherry profile. In fact since I use my pinkies for Ctrl and Fn, I find I prefer Row 4 mods on the bottom row. However, I don't use Alt much, but I still find the angle of Row 4 subtle enough so my thumbs don't hit the edge.
jdcarpe, the designer of the Hack'd by Geeks set said that if he knew at the time that SP could do Row 4 bottom row mods, Hack'd would have had them.
Having the Fn row and number row with the same profile allows you to use the Esc on the number row for 60% boards, but it's just one extra cap if you choose to have them different. I don't really like how R3 Fn row looks if you have R1 number row, so I prefer to have them both R1 personally.
1-1-2-3-4-4 is a standard across all "normal" sculpted profiles (OEM, Cherry, DCS, etc), so I don't see why it shouldn't also be used for SA. IMHO, the only reason to use R3 on the top row is for novelties...
It's mostly personal preference, really. I think most would be happy with either 3-1-2-3-4-3 OR 1-1-2-3-4-4 OR 3-1-2-3-4-4... As long as the centre part is 1-2-3-4.
These are good points, too.
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 02 October 2015, 11:10:39
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 02 October 2015, 11:23:56
All Row 3: Nuclear Data, 1976, Symbiosis, Danger Zone
1-2-3-3-3-4: Commando, Penumbra
1-1-2-3-4-3: Round 5 Sphericals (7bit's massive GB)
3-1-2-3-4-3: Round 4 Sphericals, PuLSE SA, Hack'd by Geeks, Modern Selectric
1-1-2-3-4-4: Jukebox, Retro SA, Carbon
I use Penumbra and Hack'd by Geeks on my "daily driver" boards.
As an example to compare to the image above of Hack'd, here's one of Retro so you can see how the R1 F keys look:
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71636.0;attach=111462;image)
Post by: romevi on Fri, 02 October 2015, 11:27:53
For reference:
All Row 3: Nuclear Data, 1976, Symbiosis, Danger Zone
1-2-3-3-3-4: Commando, Penumbra
1-1-2-3-4-3: Round 5 Sphericals (7bit's massive GB)
3-1-2-3-4-3: Round 4 Sphericals, PuLSE SA, Hack'd by Geeks, Modern Selectric
1-1-2-3-4-4: Jukebox, Retro SA, Carbon
I use Penumbra and Hack'd by Geeks on my "daily driver" boards.
As an example to compare to the image above of Hack'd, here's one of Retro so you can see how the R1 F keys look:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71636.0;attach=111462;image)
I love my Retro SA set, but yeah, I can't stand those huge 1 Esc/Fn row caps. They look really weird and awkward.
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 02 October 2015, 12:35:25
Having 4 at the bottom will hurt your thumbs.
As a Penumbra set user (1-2-3-3-3-4) who keeps their board very flat I can say that: No, it won't. The spacebar is Row 3 no matter what you choose for the other bottom row caps and symmetrical and is a lot nicer to use than DCS profile or even Cherry profile. In fact since I use my pinkies for Ctrl and Fn, I find I prefer Row 4 mods on the bottom row. However, I don't use Alt much, but I still find the angle of Row 4 subtle enough so my thumbs don't hit the edge.
Out of curiosity, how would a row 4 space bar work out for those like me that have a negative tilt on their keyboards? I put a wrist wrest under the front of mine so it's raised in the front. Row 4 space bars would seem to have a greater likelihood of problems there.
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 02 October 2015, 13:00:38
Having 4 at the bottom will hurt your thumbs.
As a Penumbra set user (1-2-3-3-3-4) who keeps their board very flat I can say that: No, it won't. The spacebar is Row 3 no matter what you choose for the other bottom row caps and symmetrical and is a lot nicer to use than DCS profile or even Cherry profile. In fact since I use my pinkies for Ctrl and Fn, I find I prefer Row 4 mods on the bottom row. However, I don't use Alt much, but I still find the angle of Row 4 subtle enough so my thumbs don't hit the edge.
Out of curiosity, how would a row 4 space bar work out for those like me that have a negative tilt on their keyboards? I put a wrist wrest under the front of mine so it's raised in the front. Row 4 space bars would seem to have a greater likelihood of problems there.
SP doesn't make Row 4 spacebars for SA profile. I have a problem even with slight positive tilt and DCS Row 4 spacebars (I think these are the ones that led to the spaceflipping - flipping the spacebar upside down- phenomenon?), but Cherry profile is a bit shallower angle, similar to SA Row 4 and that's acceptable to me up to completely flat. I think you'll be fine with the standard Row 3 SA spacebar and negative tilt, although you may prefer Row 3 mods to Row 4.
Here's a better picture to see the profile angles:
(http://i.imgur.com/yx6NTVt.jpg)
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 02 October 2015, 13:13:44
Having 4 at the bottom will hurt your thumbs.
As a Penumbra set user (1-2-3-3-3-4) who keeps their board very flat I can say that: No, it won't. The spacebar is Row 3 no matter what you choose for the other bottom row caps and symmetrical and is a lot nicer to use than DCS profile or even Cherry profile. In fact since I use my pinkies for Ctrl and Fn, I find I prefer Row 4 mods on the bottom row. However, I don't use Alt much, but I still find the angle of Row 4 subtle enough so my thumbs don't hit the edge.
Out of curiosity, how would a row 4 space bar work out for those like me that have a negative tilt on their keyboards? I put a wrist wrest under the front of mine so it's raised in the front. Row 4 space bars would seem to have a greater likelihood of problems there.
SP doesn't make Row 4 spacebars for SA profile. I have a problem even with slight positive tilt and DCS Row 4 spacebars, but Cherry profile is a bit shallower angle, similar to SA Row 4 and that's acceptable to me up to completely flat. I think you'll be fine with the standard Row 3 SA spacebar and negative tilt, although you may prefer Row 3 mods to Row 4.
Here's a better picture to see the profile angles:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yx6NTVt.jpg)
Great info and the picture does help. I wasn't sure on how SP handled the spacebars so I figured I'd ask the generic question. Good to know that it's row 3. I was also suspecting that row 3 would be easier on a negative tilt keyboard than row 4 but thought I'd ask.
Post by: Data on Fri, 02 October 2015, 13:56:39
For reference:
All Row 3: Nuclear Data, 1976, Symbiosis, Danger Zone
1-2-3-3-3-4: Commando, Penumbra
1-1-2-3-4-3: Round 5 Sphericals (7bit's massive GB)
3-1-2-3-4-3: Round 4 Sphericals, PuLSE SA, Hack'd by Geeks, Modern Selectric
1-1-2-3-4-4: Jukebox, Retro SA, Carbon
I use Penumbra and Hack'd by Geeks on my "daily driver" boards.
As an example to compare to the image above of Hack'd, here's one of Retro so you can see how the R1 F keys look:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71636.0;attach=111462;image)
Nice.
I wonder how 1-2-2-3-3-4 would look/feel.
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 02 October 2015, 15:28:58
Thank you for the very informative reply! Unfortunately I'm more confused which one to use now, I've been leaning towards 1-1-2-3-4-4 from the beginning until a few hours ago, then 3-1-2-3-4-3, but now I'm not sure again. It's a very subjective topic that I can't relate to because I have no experience with it.Having 4 at the bottom will hurt your thumbs.
As a Penumbra set user (1-2-3-3-3-4) who keeps their board very flat I can say that: No, it won't. The spacebar is Row 3 no matter what you choose for the other bottom row caps and symmetrical and is a lot nicer to use than DCS profile or even Cherry profile. In fact since I use my pinkies for Ctrl and Fn, I find I prefer Row 4 mods on the bottom row. However, I don't use Alt much, but I still find the angle of Row 4 subtle enough so my thumbs don't hit the edge.
jdcarpe, the designer of the Hack'd by Geeks set said that if he knew at the time that SP could do Row 4 bottom row mods, Hack'd would have had them.
Having the Fn row and number row with the same profile allows you to use the Esc on the number row for 60% boards, but it's just one extra cap if you choose to have them different. I don't really like how R3 Fn row looks if you have R1 number row, so I prefer to have them both R1 personally.
1-1-2-3-4-4 is a standard across all "normal" sculpted profiles (OEM, Cherry, DCS, etc), so I don't see why it shouldn't also be used for SA. IMHO, the only reason to use R3 on the top row is for novelties...
It's mostly personal preference, really. I think most would be happy with either 3-1-2-3-4-3 OR 1-1-2-3-4-4 OR 3-1-2-3-4-4... As long as the centre part is 1-2-3-4.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 02 October 2015, 15:31:07
Thank you for the very informative reply! Unfortunately I'm more confused which one to use now, I've been leaning towards 1-1-2-3-4-4 from the beginning until a few hours ago, then 3-1-2-3-4-3, but now I'm not sure again. It's a very subjective topic that I can't relate to because I have no experience with it.Having 4 at the bottom will hurt your thumbs.
As a Penumbra set user (1-2-3-3-3-4) who keeps their board very flat I can say that: No, it won't. The spacebar is Row 3 no matter what you choose for the other bottom row caps and symmetrical and is a lot nicer to use than DCS profile or even Cherry profile. In fact since I use my pinkies for Ctrl and Fn, I find I prefer Row 4 mods on the bottom row. However, I don't use Alt much, but I still find the angle of Row 4 subtle enough so my thumbs don't hit the edge.
jdcarpe, the designer of the Hack'd by Geeks set said that if he knew at the time that SP could do Row 4 bottom row mods, Hack'd would have had them.
Having the Fn row and number row with the same profile allows you to use the Esc on the number row for 60% boards, but it's just one extra cap if you choose to have them different. I don't really like how R3 Fn row looks if you have R1 number row, so I prefer to have them both R1 personally.
1-1-2-3-4-4 is a standard across all "normal" sculpted profiles (OEM, Cherry, DCS, etc), so I don't see why it shouldn't also be used for SA. IMHO, the only reason to use R3 on the top row is for novelties...
It's mostly personal preference, really. I think most would be happy with either 3-1-2-3-4-3 OR 1-1-2-3-4-4 OR 3-1-2-3-4-4... As long as the centre part is 1-2-3-4.
3-1-2-3-4-3 Seems like the "best" option, but all I have in SA profile is Retro SA.
Maybe do a poll?
Update:
Anyone have a HiPro? Their row layout seems similar to the above.
[attach=1]
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 02 October 2015, 16:49:10
Post by: just66in on Fri, 02 October 2015, 19:56:07
FYI, Melissa is not at work, she said the answer to my query won't come until Monday.
Thanks for the update. I can't share any opinion on other SA height profiles as similarly to you, have know tried 112344 and I can see how the spacebar row being height 3 wld actually avoid the cornered contoured height 4.
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 02 October 2015, 23:21:22
FYI, Melissa is not at work, she said the answer to my query won't come until Monday.
Thanks for the update. I can't share any opinion on other SA height profiles as similarly to you, have know tried 112344 and I can see how the spacebar row being height 3 wld actually avoid the cornered contoured height 4.
After Oobly chimed in I believe no thumbs would be hurt by R4 bottom rows, especially if you raise the rear feet or use a palm rest. Most people would only ever use the thumb on the spacebar (R3 either way) and Alt keys. I haven't decided yet, but leaning toward the more traditional 1-1-2-3-4-4 again.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 02 October 2015, 23:28:59
Gorgeous set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FnYkdGm.jpg)
On a plain Filco it makes it look really unique and every stranger will stop to look at your NEW keyboard.
The essence of Geekhack, transforming everyone's keyboard into a Utopian Dream ;) .
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 03 October 2015, 02:10:41
http://goo.gl/forms/IP9ZGg9BkV (http://goo.gl/forms/IP9ZGg9BkV)
Post by: Oobly on Sat, 03 October 2015, 02:35:12
I think the poll is a good idea.
Post by: just66in on Sat, 03 October 2015, 03:30:48
Poll is up for row numbering, login required :thumb:
http://goo.gl/forms/IP9ZGg9BkV (http://goo.gl/forms/IP9ZGg9BkV)
Thanks for another poll. I'm definitely leaning to 112344 as I don't face any existing issue with my SA in that height. On the other hand, I've never owned a 312343 haha. The theme basically, gosh, its too "sick" to miss. I'll have them in ANY profile order under the SA family :D
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 03 October 2015, 05:01:06
Another option (although it could be controversial) is to use Row 3 Alt keys and Row 4 for the other bottom row mods, but that limits the 1.25x novelty cap usage a bit.
I think the poll is a good idea.
A Poll is the quickest way of finding out what the majority wants in their profile pick. After all what's the point of making a key-set when no one wants that profile in the first place ;) .
Geekhack is where democracy triumphs.........
Post by: keyboardia1 on Sun, 04 October 2015, 04:07:25
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 04 October 2015, 05:19:01
Quick question: Any chance of adding the ISO enter key and left shift key to the international set? I love the UK but subsidizing british keysets gets pretty costly ...
If it makes more sense then yes we can add those, at the moment this is copied from the Jukebox template.
Does the international set use the ISO enter and left shift key exclusively? Would you recommend how Carbon bundled them, or the way MiTo has a separate child for ISO in Sci-Fi?
Post by: keyboardia1 on Sun, 04 October 2015, 06:40:15
The way it was handled in the Sci-Fi set seems to be the fairest option, as in: nobody has to pay for keys they wont use.Quick question: Any chance of adding the ISO enter key and left shift key to the international set? I love the UK but subsidizing british keysets gets pretty costly ...
If it makes more sense then yes we can add those, at the moment this is copied from the Jukebox template.
Does the international set use the ISO enter and left shift key exclusively? Would you recommend how Carbon bundled them, or the way MiTo has a separate child for ISO in Sci-Fi?
On the other hand if there is a MOQ for the individual kits it could become a problem. If that's the case i'd argue that the carbon way would be better.
The problem with the curent setup: Unless you want an english ISO keyset you have to buy both the ISO kit and the international kit, even though you only really need two keys from the ISO kit. However, i assume that more people will want the UK ISO kit than the international kit. So it might be a good thing to offer both (depending on MOQs), so you wont piss off anyone who "just" wants an english-only ISO keyset.
But I'm certainly interested what other europeans have to say about this.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 04 October 2015, 06:45:34
The way it was handled in the Sci-Fi set seems to be the fairest option, as in: nobody has to pay for keys they wont use.Quick question: Any chance of adding the ISO enter key and left shift key to the international set? I love the UK but subsidizing british keysets gets pretty costly ...
If it makes more sense then yes we can add those, at the moment this is copied from the Jukebox template.
Does the international set use the ISO enter and left shift key exclusively? Would you recommend how Carbon bundled them, or the way MiTo has a separate child for ISO in Sci-Fi?
On the other hand if there is a MOQ for the individual kits it could become a problem. If that's the case i'd argue that the carbon way would be better.
The problem with the curent setup: Unless you want an english ISO keyset you have to buy both the ISO kit and the international kit, even though you only really need two keys from the ISO kit. However, i assume that more people will want the UK ISO kit than the international kit. So it might be a good thing to offer both (depending on MOQs), so you wont piss off anyone who "just" wants an english-only ISO keyset.
But I'm certainly interested what other europeans have to say about this.
Yeah maybe an Iso enter and left shift for both UK and International kits? It woud be great if other Europeans share their thoughts :)
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 05 October 2015, 04:53:48
At this stage I'm not really sure what is the best option to suggest. The real need is to increase the number of euro people knowing about the deals but I have no idea how to go about getting that to happen, and then maybe one day there might be a solid plan that works for each group buy.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 05 October 2015, 05:53:59
The ISO/Euro problem is hard to solve. I thought modern selectric did an very interesting option on ISO and other deals but most ended up not tipping.
At this stage I'm not really sure what is the best option to suggest. The real need is to increase the number of euro people knowing about the deals but I have no idea how to go about getting that to happen, and then maybe one day there might be a solid plan that works for each group buy.
One thing I'd like to avoid that keyboardia1 pointed out, is people buying keys they don't really need. We'll try to figure that out as we go, thanks!
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 05 October 2015, 05:55:37
I like having the Enter and Shift in the "base" ISO kit only (the UK version) and not including them in the International kit. That way you do have to buy both to get say a Finnish ISO layout covered, but if the International doesn't tip you at least have the fallback option of having all the keys you need to cover your ISO board, albeit with UK legends. It's expensive for those who want the full ISO layout for their region, but those who really want it will pay. I don't see a better solution, since separate kits per region probably won't meet MOQ, and if you have Enter and Shift in both kits and someone orders just the international kit and it doesn't hit MOQ, they're stuck with an ANSI set to put on an ISO board...
Having the UK caps is good for resale, too, so most European buyers won't mind having to get the extra UK caps just to have the Enter and Shift (it's only a few dollars extra - $4 or so - and you increase the resale options).
For instance, in the Retro SA buy I ordered both the "base" ISO and International kits. Fortunately they both hit MOQ and were produced, but I'd still have been happy with having the UK legends in case it didn't. As it is, I now have a set I can resell (but I won't :) I like it too much) to anyone in EU (incl. UK) or the States and it'll have the correct legends.
I actually mostly use ANSI layout now, though, and a fair number of other EU keyboard enthusiasts do the same if they're interested in aftermarket caps since it gives so many more options and it's rare that International kits hit their MOQ and many sets don't even have the International kit (like Danger Zone, for instance).
TLDR: Having a "base" ISO kit in UK legends and a bigger "international" kit with the special legends per region, but no Enter or Shift is the best option, IMHO.
Either that or separate kits like in Sci-Fi, but it's a big risk. For those who order a kit that doesn't hit MOQ they'd have an ISO Enter and Shift (since they're their own kit), but would have 2 empty spots on their board and wrong legends on others. If you could somehow guarantee MOQ on all language packs then that would be nice from a buyer's perspective, but a nightmare from a GB organiser's perspective. Of course this could also be handled by a custom GB system where people can choose fallback options, such as: "If this kit doesn't tip, would you like the UK kit added to your order?", but you'd have to run the whole GB yourself then (traditional-style, with sorting, packing and mailing the sets yourself), as I don't think Massdrop, PMK or any other GB system has an option like that.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 05 October 2015, 06:31:25
It's a tough one..
I like having the Enter and Shift in the "base" ISO kit only (the UK version) and not including them in the International kit. That way you do have to buy both to get say a Finnish ISO layout covered, but if the International doesn't tip you at least have the fallback option of having all the keys you need to cover your ISO board, albeit with UK legends. It's expensive for those who want the full ISO layout for their region, but those who really want it will pay. I don't see a better solution, since separate kits per region probably won't meet MOQ, and if you have Enter and Shift in both kits and someone orders just the international kit and it doesn't hit MOQ, they're stuck with an ANSI set to put on an ISO board...
Having the UK caps is good for resale, too, so most European buyers won't mind having to get the extra UK caps just to have the Enter and Shift (it's only a few dollars extra - $4 or so - and you increase the resale options).
For instance, in the Retro SA buy I ordered both the "base" ISO and International kits. Fortunately they both hit MOQ and were produced, but I'd still have been happy with having the UK legends in case it didn't. As it is, I now have a set I can resell (but I won't :) I like it too much) to anyone in EU (incl. UK) or the States and it'll have the correct legends.
I actually mostly use ANSI layout now, though, and a fair number of other EU keyboard enthusiasts do the same if they're interested in aftermarket caps since it gives so many more options and it's rare that International kits hit their MOQ and many sets don't even have the International kit (like Danger Zone, for instance).
TLDR: Having a "base" ISO kit in UK legends and a bigger "international" kit with the special legends per region, but no Enter or Shift is the best option, IMHO.
Either that or separate kits like in Sci-Fi, but it's a big risk. For those who order a kit that doesn't hit MOQ they'd have an ISO Enter and Shift (since they're their own kit), but would have 2 empty spots on their board and wrong legends on others. If you could somehow guarantee MOQ on all language packs then that would be nice from a buyer's perspective, but a nightmare from a GB organiser's perspective. Of course this could also be handled by a custom GB system where people can choose fallback options, such as: "If this kit doesn't tip, would you like the UK kit added to your order?", but you'd have to run the whole GB yourself then (traditional-style, with sorting, packing and mailing the sets yourself), as I don't think Massdrop, PMK or any other GB system has an option like that.
Thank you again for making it more understandable for us, having a few keys you won't use is so much better than missing some keys. It's very unlikely that I will be organizing a group buy myself, so I guess that excludes the "fallback" option. If anyone else has any idea please feel free to share, thanks!
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 05 October 2015, 14:01:51
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Also, at the moment 1-1-2-3-4-4 has an overwhelming lead in the poll. Thanks a lot for participating guys, now I just need to figure out how to move to the next phase :)
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 05 October 2015, 16:54:26
Great news guys! Melissa has confirmed that the new HAHA key should work, there's a very small distance from the edge but the main look will stay the same. I've attached an image for the design, the red box is the keycap itself, the green box is the "edge" of the top face where legends go, the blue box is the "first wall" of the shot where legends without islands can start, and the yellow box is where islands can be injected.
(Attachment Link)
Also, at the moment 1-1-2-3-4-4 has an overwhelming lead in the poll. Thanks a lot for participating guys, now I just need to figure out how to move to the next phase :)
Awesome news!
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 17:23:10
Great news guys! Melissa has confirmed that the new HAHA key should work, there's a very small distance from the edge but the main look will stay the same. I've attached an image for the design, the red box is the keycap itself, the green box is the "edge" of the top face where legends go, the blue box is the "first wall" of the shot where legends without islands can start, and the yellow box is where islands can be injected.This is the kind of good detailed manufacturing info I love to see. Thanks for sharing.
(Attachment Link)
Also, at the moment 1-1-2-3-4-4 has an overwhelming lead in the poll. Thanks a lot for participating guys, now I just need to figure out how to move to the next phase :)
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 05 October 2015, 20:59:59
Interesting to see 112344 win out. I'm not overly picky so long as the main board is 1234. I'll roll with the top/bottom rows however they end up seeing as the space bar is R3.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 05 October 2015, 21:10:55
Here are images for comparison, RDE has more red than what I originally thought:
Old colors:
(http://i.imgur.com/ra0sjK6.jpg)
New colors:
(http://i.imgur.com/SWJerE3.jpg)
Swatch:
(http://i.imgur.com/WTjkbvx.jpg)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 05 October 2015, 21:48:31
Another important update, I've been basing the colors from photos of swatches from SP's website and Oobly pointed out that it's inaccurate. So using more accurate data, the colors will change, especially the purple keys.
Here are images for comparison, RDE has more red than what I originally thought:
Old colors:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ra0sjK6.jpg)
New colors:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SWJerE3.jpg)
Swatch:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WTjkbvx.jpg)
Well at least they look more PURPLE than before, I'm actually liking this new colour a lot more. You know why, because it can go with more warm coloured keyboards like Beiges and Creams.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 05 October 2015, 22:11:50
Another important update, I've been basing the colors from photos of swatches from SP's website and Oobly pointed out that it's inaccurate. So using more accurate data, the colors will change, especially the purple keys.
Here are images for comparison, RDE has more red than what I originally thought:
Old colors:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ra0sjK6.jpg)
New colors:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SWJerE3.jpg)
Swatch:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WTjkbvx.jpg)
Well at least they look more PURPLE than before, I'm actually liking this new colour a lot more. You know why, because it can go with more warm coloured keyboards like Beiges and Creams.
That's good to know, I'll be updating the mockups later to reflect the new colors, maybe this weekend :thumb:
Post by: My_Thoughts on Tue, 06 October 2015, 07:49:24
Hi. The ISO kit us usually the UK extra/changed keys and Enter etc. Since there are keys with 3 symbols in the International Kit, could you consider changing the ISO 4 to be the 3 symbol 4 $ € key? Thanks :)
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_images/filco_tenkeyless_brown_uk_large.jpg
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 06 October 2015, 07:50:24
edit:
Scrapped this idea.
Post by: AdmiralSquid on Tue, 06 October 2015, 11:49:21
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 06 October 2015, 14:14:49
ISO kit comments
Hi. The ISO kit us usually the UK extra/changed keys and Enter etc. Since there are keys with 3 symbols in the International Kit, could you consider changing the ISO 4 to be the 3 symbol 4 $ € key? Thanks :)
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_images/filco_tenkeyless_brown_uk_large.jpg
Sure, if that's the standard I wouldn't mind changing it as long as the others agree :)
Looking really good! Reminds me of the old batman animated series joker. Have you decided what medium you are going to do this GB in?
Probably through Massdrop of PMK, it will be a logistics nightmare if I try to do this on my own from where I am. Plus I'm new to the community and mech kb in general, and I wouldn't trust myself to do a very good job.
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 06 October 2015, 14:19:26
Personally, I don't blame you wanting to go one of these routes. Going it alone seems like a massive ordeal.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 06 October 2015, 14:29:35
Both work. I've not used PMK's site so I can't comment on that. They do have submissions up and running now so it's a possibility. That said, SA sets have had some solid success on Massdrop lately; namely Carbon and Danger Zone.
Personally, I don't blame you wanting to go one of these routes. Going it alone seems like a massive ordeal.
I'm from the Philippines, and that in itself complicates everything about staging a group buy. I wouldn't want anyone else to endure our customs agency and postal services :)
edit:
I closed the poll, there hasn't been any vote for quite some time. Chosen row numbering is 1-1-2-3-4-4, thanks to everyone who participated :)
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 06 October 2015, 17:20:39
Both work. I've not used PMK's site so I can't comment on that. They do have submissions up and running now so it's a possibility. That said, SA sets have had some solid success on Massdrop lately; namely Carbon and Danger Zone.
Personally, I don't blame you wanting to go one of these routes. Going it alone seems like a massive ordeal.
I'm from the Philippines, and that in itself complicates everything about staging a group buy. I wouldn't want anyone else to endure our customs agency and postal services :)
edit:
I closed the poll, there hasn't been any vote for quite some time. Chosen row numbering is 1-1-2-3-4-4, thanks to everyone who participated :)
That would, indeed, complicate things. It's why I'm glad for services like MassDrop and PMK being able to handle these things. 112344 should be interesting for me. The F keys as row 1 will probably turn out well given I normally have a negative tilt on my keyboard.
Post by: simonyunhe on Tue, 06 October 2015, 18:59:16
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 06 October 2015, 19:09:26
The new PMK site is "LIVE" now! ;)
I miss the OLD site, when you had a time deadline to front up with the money before it ends BUT now there's nothing, no deadline, no numbers showing any MOQs and you're left wondering, what is happening.
Prefer the older method because the time and amount of kits sold were easily seen by everyone who wanted to be in the Group Buy.
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 06 October 2015, 19:45:52
Right now, it's somewhat cloudy. You submit an IC and they determine which ones get put up for vote - I assume it's to confirm any copyright issues but there's simply no info indicating that. Then it's, "checks with the most votes will move to production." That's a bit vague. Beyond that, they seem to have goofed on the link to the legal PDF. It's http://pimpmykeyboard.com/product_images/Keyset-Designs--License-Royalty-Payments.pdf where they had it as pimpmykeyboard-com.mybigcommerce.com which doesn't resolve for me.
Looks like there's still some work to be done there.
Personally, being able to use PayPal on Massdrop has been quite nice since my miscellaneous fund is normally stored there.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 06 October 2015, 19:59:28
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 06 October 2015, 20:05:57
I'm currently in discussion with Massdrop for this set, I'll give you an update as soon as I have some news :)
Eagerly awaiting for this outcome :thumb: .
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 06 October 2015, 20:14:28
I'm currently in discussion with Massdrop for this set, I'll give you an update as soon as I have some news :)
Great news! Out of curiosity, how does that work? Typically, stuff just gets submitted via the voting system. Submission via the support form? That's what they'd mentioned for becoming a vendor, at least. Not sure if that's the case here.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 06 October 2015, 21:24:06
I'm currently in discussion with Massdrop for this set, I'll give you an update as soon as I have some news :)
Great news! Out of curiosity, how does that work? Typically, stuff just gets submitted via the voting system. Submission via the support form? That's what they'd mentioned for becoming a vendor, at least. Not sure if that's the case here.
Yeah I filled out a support form and they saw this IC thread, which somehow acts as a voting platform in itself :)
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 06 October 2015, 22:29:21
I'm currently in discussion with Massdrop for this set, I'll give you an update as soon as I have some news :)
Great news! Out of curiosity, how does that work? Typically, stuff just gets submitted via the voting system. Submission via the support form? That's what they'd mentioned for becoming a vendor, at least. Not sure if that's the case here.
Yeah I filled out a support form and they saw this IC thread, which somehow acts as a voting platform in itself :)
Nice!
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 06 October 2015, 23:55:28
I'm currently in discussion with Massdrop for this set, I'll give you an update as soon as I have some news :)
Great news! Out of curiosity, how does that work? Typically, stuff just gets submitted via the voting system. Submission via the support form? That's what they'd mentioned for becoming a vendor, at least. Not sure if that's the case here.
Yeah I filled out a support form and they saw this IC thread, which somehow acts as a voting platform in itself :)
That's pretty cool. Is there still a vote that goes up on MassDrop? I imagine that would be helpful as there's probably a lot more people that can vote there. Regardless, things are sounding positive all around.
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 07 October 2015, 00:08:53
That's pretty cool. Is there still a vote that goes up on MassDrop? I imagine that would be helpful as there's probably a lot more people that can vote there. Regardless, things are sounding positive all around.
I can't really say at the moment, once I know more I'll give you guys an update. :thumb:
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 07 October 2015, 04:07:16
1. No "limited edition" Group Buys. When you sign the form to use PMK for your set you give them the rights to produce it whenever they choose, so the sets have less rarity value and less perceived actual value. This will probably end up resulting in a lot less sales than they hope / expect.
2. No time limits / deadlines / production schedules, etc. No group feeling / community involvement.
3. They set the prices, it's not based on MOQ, so there's no incentive to get more people to order and no hype or sense of achievement when kits meets MOQ. There's no way for us to tell if a set is a "success" or not.
It just smacks of business for profit with no real community involvement to me and tries to get designers hooked in with a 5% profit. Essentially they pay us a royalty for us to design and market their product for them.
I prefer Massdrop for GB's and will probably continue to do so and not buy sets from PMK unless it's a really GREAT one that I just have to have.
I'm very interested in the Massdrop process, thank you for sharing how it works and please continue to do so :)
If they could implement a fallback solution for kits that don't meet MOQ it'd be just about perfect for GB's. I think that's the ideal solution for small ISO kits. Something like "If this kit doesn't meet MOQ, I'd like to replace it with: <dropdown with default 'none' option>". Should be relatively easy to implement and perhaps it would be useful for some other kinds of drops for them, too.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 07 October 2015, 04:59:30
I don't really like the new PMK system, for a number of reasons:
1. No "limited edition" Group Buys. When you sign the form to use PMK for your set you give them the rights to produce it whenever they choose, so the sets have less rarity value and less perceived actual value. This will probably end up resulting in a lot less sales than they hope / expect.
2. No time limits / deadlines / production schedules, etc. No group feeling / community involvement.
3. They set the prices, it's not based on MOQ, so there's no incentive to get more people to order and no hype or sense of achievement when kits meets MOQ. There's no way for us to tell if a set is a "success" or not.
It just smacks of business for profit with no real community involvement to me and tries to get designers hooked in with a 5% profit. Essentially they pay us a royalty for us to design and market their product for them.
I prefer Massdrop for GB's and will probably continue to do so and not buy sets from PMK unless it's a really GREAT one that I just have to have.
I'm very interested in the Massdrop process, thank you for sharing how it works and please continue to do so :)
If they could implement a fallback solution for kits that don't meet MOQ it'd be just about perfect for GB's. I think that's the ideal solution for small ISO kits. Something like "If this kit doesn't meet MOQ, I'd like to replace it with: <dropdown with default 'none' option>". Should be relatively easy to implement and perhaps it would be useful for some other kinds of drops for them, too.
This is a good reason why PMK should be avoided - they are basically just getting free IP and profiting off other people's hard work
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 07 October 2015, 05:21:24
If they could implement a fallback solution for kits that don't meet MOQ it'd be just about perfect for GB's. I think that's the ideal solution for small ISO kits. Something like "If this kit doesn't meet MOQ, I'd like to replace it with: <dropdown with default 'none' option>". Should be relatively easy to implement and perhaps it would be useful for some other kinds of drops for them, too.
I'll ask about the fallback option, and I agree with your points. I'm new to the community, and I would like to experience the same excitement and achievement you get from "successful" group buys. :thumb:
Post by: Zorberema on Wed, 07 October 2015, 06:09:23
I don't really like the new PMK system, for a number of reasons:
1. No "limited edition" Group Buys. When you sign the form to use PMK for your set you give them the rights to produce it whenever they choose, so the sets have less rarity value and less perceived actual value. This will probably end up resulting in a lot less sales than they hope / expect.
2. No time limits / deadlines / production schedules, etc. No group feeling / community involvement.
3. They set the prices, it's not based on MOQ, so there's no incentive to get more people to order and no hype or sense of achievement when kits meets MOQ. There's no way for us to tell if a set is a "success" or not.
It just smacks of business for profit with no real community involvement to me and tries to get designers hooked in with a 5% profit. Essentially they pay us a royalty for us to design and market their product for them.
I prefer Massdrop for GB's and will probably continue to do so and not buy sets from PMK unless it's a really GREAT one that I just have to have.
I'm very interested in the Massdrop process, thank you for sharing how it works and please continue to do so :)
If they could implement a fallback solution for kits that don't meet MOQ it'd be just about perfect for GB's. I think that's the ideal solution for small ISO kits. Something like "If this kit doesn't meet MOQ, I'd like to replace it with: <dropdown with default 'none' option>". Should be relatively easy to implement and perhaps it would be useful for some other kinds of drops for them, too.
This is a good reason why PMK should be avoided - they are basically just getting free IP and profiting off other people's hard work
The thing is, massdrop GB's still goes through signature plastic! The only difference is that it is on the massdrop site instead of SP's own; pimpmykeyboard. The reason it has been on massdrop was because of renovations of PMK, so it's not like the terms for the makers of the set gets better on massdrop! Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I've understood it :)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 07 October 2015, 07:18:32
The thing is, massdrop GB's still goes through signature plastic! The only difference is that it is on the massdrop site instead of SP's own; pimpmykeyboard. The reason it has been on massdrop was because of renovations of PMK, so it's not like the terms for the makers of the set gets better on massdrop! Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I've understood it :)
Nothing to do with who is better other than this vital FACT - MASSDROP simply supplies a lot more order numbers than relying upon PMK's webstore.
Has been proven in the past where they (PMK) could barely get 300 tops to meet a basic moq yet on MassDrop it reaches that number in a day or two. Whether you despise MassDrop or not they have included Key-caps within their warehouse inventory and we the collectors that should be rejoicing.
More order numbers will always win over everything else in life, almost like a perverse version of democracy - where people hand over their money on which key-set shall be made.
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 07 October 2015, 07:24:58
I don't really like the new PMK system, for a number of reasons:
1. No "limited edition" Group Buys. When you sign the form to use PMK for your set you give them the rights to produce it whenever they choose, so the sets have less rarity value and less perceived actual value. This will probably end up resulting in a lot less sales than they hope / expect.
2. No time limits / deadlines / production schedules, etc. No group feeling / community involvement.
3. They set the prices, it's not based on MOQ, so there's no incentive to get more people to order and no hype or sense of achievement when kits meets MOQ. There's no way for us to tell if a set is a "success" or not.
It just smacks of business for profit with no real community involvement to me and tries to get designers hooked in with a 5% profit. Essentially they pay us a royalty for us to design and market their product for them.
I prefer Massdrop for GB's and will probably continue to do so and not buy sets from PMK unless it's a really GREAT one that I just have to have.
I'm very interested in the Massdrop process, thank you for sharing how it works and please continue to do so :)
If they could implement a fallback solution for kits that don't meet MOQ it'd be just about perfect for GB's. I think that's the ideal solution for small ISO kits. Something like "If this kit doesn't meet MOQ, I'd like to replace it with: <dropdown with default 'none' option>". Should be relatively easy to implement and perhaps it would be useful for some other kinds of drops for them, too.
This is a good reason why PMK should be avoided - they are basically just getting free IP and profiting off other people's hard work
The thing is, massdrop GB's still goes through signature plastic! The only difference is that it is on the massdrop site instead of SP's own; pimpmykeyboard. The reason it has been on massdrop was because of renovations of PMK, so it's not like the terms for the makers of the set gets better on massdrop! Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I've understood it :)
Yes, the sets will still be made by Signature Plastics, but there are a number of important differences:
Massdrop:
1. We get quotes from SP for different tiers for different kits.
2. We take orders for the kits.
3. We place a single mass order with SP to make the sets.
The set design "belongs" to the designer and SP does not have rights to make them for other clients.
PMK:
1. Design a set and sign the agreements including the rights for SP to make your design for anyone.
2. If PMK approves it goes to Interest Check stage.
3. The most popular sets from the Interest Checks will be made by SP and sold on their website at a fixed price, with no dependence on number of orders and no time limits. They decide if and when to make the sets.
The set design "belongs" to SP and they give 5% royalty of the sales to the designer.
So yes, the terms for the designer are better on Massdrop. Massdrop does not have the rights to run the set again without the designer's permission.
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 07 October 2015, 07:30:37
The set design "belongs" to the designer and SP does not have rights to make them for other clients.
How can we confirm this? Is it because the set went through Massdrop and PMK did not deal directly with the designer so the rights stay with the designer?
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 07 October 2015, 07:48:43
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 07 October 2015, 07:55:06
No, it's because the contracts are different. In the PMK case the contract is signed first, then the set goes through IC and GB. With MD, the IC happens before anything, then there's an agreement with MD, then the GB happens, and FINALLY the contract with SP for a single purchase of X keysets is signed. There is no lasting agreement between either the designer and MD or the designer or SP - it's just a normal purchase.
Ahh yeah that's what I meant, the designer didn't deal directly so there's no contract between them and PMK. Anyway that's good to know beforehand, I'm learning a lot from you guys. Thanks! :)
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 07 October 2015, 07:56:11
There might be a contract, but not like you mean, yes. I mean no. Whatever, we're agreed 😂
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 07 October 2015, 07:58:24
There might be a contract, but not like you mean, yes. I mean no. Whatever, we're agreed 😂
Hmm.. well, I kinda got the gist of it... PMK = they own rights; MD = designer retains rights :D
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 07 October 2015, 07:58:48
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 07 October 2015, 08:23:09
"Under the license, Signature Plastics has the right to:
a. decide whether or not to produce and sell keysets from the submitted design;
b. make modifications to the keyset configurations;
c. determine the quantity of keysets to produce and sell;
d. schedule when the keysets will be produced and sold;
e. establish the selling price of the keysets produced from the design;
f. use the design for marketing and promotional campaigns."
You need to sign this document when submitting your design for an Interest Check for the PMK website.
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 07 October 2015, 08:51:58
From the "Keyset-Designs-License-Royalty_Payments.pdf":
"Under the license, Signature Plastics has the right to:
a. decide whether or not to produce and sell keysets from the submitted design;
b. make modifications to the keyset configurations;
c. determine the quantity of keysets to produce and sell;
d. schedule when the keysets will be produced and sold;
e. establish the selling price of the keysets produced from the design;
f. use the design for marketing and promotional campaigns."
You need to sign this document when submitting your design for an Interest Check for the PMK website.
Haven't really checked the site fully, just a peek at the new layout. I guess now there's not reason to...
Anyway, here's a mockup my friend did for the set, I'm planning on using something like this from now on :)
(http://imgur.com/lwrYqEj.jpg)
Post by: Zorberema on Wed, 07 October 2015, 08:53:07
From the "Keyset-Designs-License-Royalty_Payments.pdf":
"Under the license, Signature Plastics has the right to:
a. decide whether or not to produce and sell keysets from the submitted design;
b. make modifications to the keyset configurations;
c. determine the quantity of keysets to produce and sell;
d. schedule when the keysets will be produced and sold;
e. establish the selling price of the keysets produced from the design;
f. use the design for marketing and promotional campaigns."
You need to sign this document when submitting your design for an Interest Check for the PMK website.
I don't really like the new PMK system, for a number of reasons:
1. No "limited edition" Group Buys. When you sign the form to use Yes, the sets will still be made by Signature Plastics, but there are a number of important differences:
Massdrop:
1. We get quotes from SP for different tiers for different kits.
2. We take orders for the kits.
3. We place a single mass order with SP to make the sets.
The set design "belongs" to the designer and SP does not have rights to make them for other clients.
PMK:
1. Design a set and sign the agreements including the rights for SP to make your design for anyone.
2. If PMK approves it goes to Interest Check stage.
3. The most popular sets from the Interest Checks will be made by SP and sold on their website at a fixed price, with no dependence on number of orders and no time limits. They decide if and when to make the sets.
The set design "belongs" to SP and they give 5% royalty of the sales to the designer.
So yes, the terms for the designer are better on Massdrop. Massdrop does not have the rights to run the set again without the designer's permission.
Then I completely agree that massdrop is better! Didn't know there were different terms for PMK, it's good that massdrop has come in with a better alternative!
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 07 October 2015, 11:43:36
There might be a contract, but not like you mean, yes. I mean no. Whatever, we're agreed 😂
Hmm.. well, I kinda got the gist of it... PMK = they own rights; MD = designer retains rights :D
I think there's some kinks in that. The colorway itself, if I recall correctly, has no legal protection. A single color might be trademarked by large corporations as "their" corporate color and even then, only within their industry, but there are trademark fees associated with that. A colorway itself wouldn't fall under copyright protection. Some novelties might fall under copyright, though.
I think what SP is trying to do is simply avoid any confusion on the matter.
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 07 October 2015, 11:50:34
I don't really like the new PMK system, for a number of reasons:
1. No "limited edition" Group Buys. When you sign the form to use PMK for your set you give them the rights to produce it whenever they choose, so the sets have less rarity value and less perceived actual value. This will probably end up resulting in a lot less sales than they hope / expect.
2. No time limits / deadlines / production schedules, etc. No group feeling / community involvement.
3. They set the prices, it's not based on MOQ, so there's no incentive to get more people to order and no hype or sense of achievement when kits meets MOQ. There's no way for us to tell if a set is a "success" or not.
It just smacks of business for profit with no real community involvement to me and tries to get designers hooked in with a 5% profit. Essentially they pay us a royalty for us to design and market their product for them.
I prefer Massdrop for GB's and will probably continue to do so and not buy sets from PMK unless it's a really GREAT one that I just have to have.
I'm very interested in the Massdrop process, thank you for sharing how it works and please continue to do so :)
If they could implement a fallback solution for kits that don't meet MOQ it'd be just about perfect for GB's. I think that's the ideal solution for small ISO kits. Something like "If this kit doesn't meet MOQ, I'd like to replace it with: <dropdown with default 'none' option>". Should be relatively easy to implement and perhaps it would be useful for some other kinds of drops for them, too.
This is a good reason why PMK should be avoided - they are basically just getting free IP and profiting off other people's hard work
The thing is, massdrop GB's still goes through signature plastic! The only difference is that it is on the massdrop site instead of SP's own; pimpmykeyboard. The reason it has been on massdrop was because of renovations of PMK, so it's not like the terms for the makers of the set gets better on massdrop! Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I've understood it :)
Yes, the sets will still be made by Signature Plastics, but there are a number of important differences:
Massdrop:
1. We get quotes from SP for different tiers for different kits.
2. We take orders for the kits.
3. We place a single mass order with SP to make the sets.
The set design "belongs" to the designer and SP does not have rights to make them for other clients.
PMK:
1. Design a set and sign the agreements including the rights for SP to make your design for anyone.
2. If PMK approves it goes to Interest Check stage.
3. The most popular sets from the Interest Checks will be made by SP and sold on their website at a fixed price, with no dependence on number of orders and no time limits. They decide if and when to make the sets.
The set design "belongs" to SP and they give 5% royalty of the sales to the designer.
So yes, the terms for the designer are better on Massdrop. Massdrop does not have the rights to run the set again without the designer's permission.
Do you have more on that? At least, from what I've read, a colorway is not a legally protected item in the US. Someone could just submit a similar colorway under another name as far as I'm aware.
Post by: MaNiFeX on Wed, 07 October 2015, 12:29:38
Do you have more on that? At least, from what I've read, a colorway is not a legally protected item in the US. Someone could just submit a similar colorway under another name as far as I'm aware.
Plus, the word 'joker' especially if lower case does not denote anything that can be copyrighted. Plus, the joker shows up on every pack of cards that's out there, regardless of colorway. I'm sure if someone did a lime and purple card deck with jokers in it, nobody could say ****. Not sure about it here, but as long as there's not copyrighted imagery, should be fine.
I'm totally interested, BTW. :))
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 07 October 2015, 12:33:37
Do you have more on that? At least, from what I've read, a colorway is not a legally protected item in the US. Someone could just submit a similar colorway under another name as far as I'm aware.I mean legally they could, but they'd be crucified by the community most likely (which some would still risk), and there's always the chance that MD/SP wouldn't be willing to do it. But yes, the only thing the designer really technically "owns" is any custom doubleshot molds they buy.
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 07 October 2015, 12:53:57
Do you have more on that? At least, from what I've read, a colorway is not a legally protected item in the US. Someone could just submit a similar colorway under another name as far as I'm aware.I mean legally they could, but they'd be crucified by the community most likely (which some would still risk), and there's always the chance that MD/SP wouldn't be willing to do it. But yes, the only thing the designer really technically "owns" is any custom doubleshot molds they buy.
Okay, that's what I thought to be the case. Actually, the designer would also own the various images created for the IC as, I believe, that does fall under copyright protection as a finished work.
Honestly, I thought it smart of PMK to put in the legal paperwork on that. It avoids any confusion on the part of the community. I just hope they get their site together better. Another thought is that they might extend that to any buys done via MD where MD would require you to sign the SP agreement.
Sorry for the tangent everyone. That's been bugging me and I've wanted to know more about it so started asking questions and looking into it elsewhere.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled IC; and one where I've got the money set aside.
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 07 October 2015, 14:18:11
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 07 October 2015, 14:37:44
Do you have more on that? At least, from what I've read, a colorway is not a legally protected item in the US. Someone could just submit a similar colorway under another name as far as I'm aware.I mean legally they could, but they'd be crucified by the community most likely (which some would still risk), and there's always the chance that MD/SP wouldn't be willing to do it. But yes, the only thing the designer really technically "owns" is any custom doubleshot molds they buy.
Okay, that's what I thought to be the case. Actually, the designer would also own the various images created for the IC as, I believe, that does fall under copyright protection as a finished work.
Honestly, I thought it smart of PMK to put in the legal paperwork on that. It avoids any confusion on the part of the community. I just hope they get their site together better. Another thought is that they might extend that to any buys done via MD where MD would require you to sign the SP agreement.
Sorry for the tangent everyone. That's been bugging me and I've wanted to know more about it so started asking questions and looking into it elsewhere.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled IC; and one where I've got the money set aside.
Massdrop isn't doing anything special, it's SP that have changed the rules for the new PMK site and the way it works. Used to be that a designer would run a GB through PMK and SP would make it, but not have the rights to sell more without permission from the designer, just like with Massdrop currently.
PuLSE, Skull Squadron DSA and original Retro were all run through the old PMK and are all "limited edition" sets that SP does not have rights to run themselves. MiTo and Matt3o will not allow them to be run again, they're one-off and more valuable for that.
The new document hands over everything to SP, so they can do what they want with the design. The designer doesn't retain anything except the right to run the same design with another manufacturer. They still own it in that sense, but have licensed it to SP.
I'll put it this way: If one person lays down a few colours of paint on a canvas in a particular pattern that can be recognised and someone else comes along and copies it and tries to sell it, it's called plagiarism and it's fairly easy to spot and companies like SP don't want to be caught doing it. It's bad for business all round. But they do want the profits that come from selling a good design whenever demand for it is high. Hence the way they're running the new PMK. Any designer who values their design would not give SP as much freedom as the license document gives them, IMHO.
They're tempting designers to sign with the 5% royalty, though. Some will go for it, I'm sure, but I think the sets that become legends will not be run through the new PMK. Most designers don't design keycap sets for profit, they do it for seeing their vision become a reality. It's more art than business.
However they get run, SP still profits from every set they sell. I think they're being overly greedy with the new system.
They wouldn't force all their customers to sign an agreement like that, and technically MD is just another customer placing an order for caps. It's just their own GB system that they can do this with. If they do go so far as to make MD / designers sign such an agreement for a large order of sets, I think most designers would simply stop using SP as a manufacturer for their designs, and probably a number of their regular customers, too.
</rant>
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 07 October 2015, 14:38:31
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 07 October 2015, 14:52:07
engicoder has given SP permission to run 1976 themselves, so they can actually call it "1976" ;)
Oh right, I was just thinking about Niomosy's post, and the really unique colorways and how PMK can release them without paying designers anything. :)
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 07 October 2015, 15:17:49
On the flip side, the wonderful news to me is that these claims of, "one time run only," are gone. I prefer that. Should anyone have missed out on a one time run of something, their only chance is in what may well be an overpriced aftermarket. Get too many one time runs going and you'll find more people getting in on the original group buy simply to flip them for a profit later; just look at what things people are willing to flip over on Reddit's /f/flipping forum.
Personally, I see the SP 5% commission as SP trying to ensure things go well with the designs as they aren't under any legal obligation to do so and can just run any colorway on keycaps they want - novelties might be another matter as has been mentioned.
Post by: FuriousGeorge on Wed, 07 October 2015, 15:55:07
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 07 October 2015, 16:04:43
I guess I just don't understand why it's a problem if SP re-runs sets to meet demand. Do people really feel better about themselves if they have different colored keys on their keyboard that other people can't buy?
I don't have any custom sets at the moment, just two Tai Hao doubleshot, but like any collector's hobby you have a feeling of satisfaction knowing you have a limited edition set. Not that I'm presumptuous enough to limit my set to a single run and call it a limited edition set, but it doesn't feel right to just hand over complete control to PMK. Do note they can modify the design at will too.
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 07 October 2015, 16:10:12
I guess I just don't understand why it's a problem if SP re-runs sets to meet demand. Do people really feel better about themselves if they have different colored keys on their keyboard that other people can't buy?
I don't have any custom sets at the moment, just two Tai Hao doubleshot, but like any collector's hobby you have a feeling of satisfaction knowing you have a limited edition set. Not that I'm presumptuous enough to limit my set to a single run and call it a limited edition set, but it doesn't feel right to just hand over complete control to PMK. Do note they can modify the design at will too.
The main reason why I would ever worrying about signing it over to PMK is them altering the sets. I don't like the fact that they would end up with complete control over the set. I feel like once sets start losing interest/sales they'll just alter a few caps or change the set around in hopes of squeezing more money out of the design.
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 07 October 2015, 16:10:42
Let's just say that as a designer, I will not be using PMK for any of my own sets. Of course it's up to any designer to choose for themselves.
Once you design a set as a complete colourway and create and publish mockups, the design is automatically copyrighted according to US law, since it's a recognisable art work. Someone else could come up with the exact same scheme, but the first to publish gets covered legally.
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 07 October 2015, 16:20:51
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 07 October 2015, 17:39:15
Back we go to the IC itself and waiting to see what happens with MassDrop on it.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 07 October 2015, 21:15:45
Well, they *are* the ones making the caps.I don't really like the new PMK system, for a number of reasons:
1. No "limited edition" Group Buys. When you sign the form to use PMK for your set you give them the rights to produce it whenever they choose, so the sets have less rarity value and less perceived actual value. This will probably end up resulting in a lot less sales than they hope / expect.
2. No time limits / deadlines / production schedules, etc. No group feeling / community involvement.
3. They set the prices, it's not based on MOQ, so there's no incentive to get more people to order and no hype or sense of achievement when kits meets MOQ. There's no way for us to tell if a set is a "success" or not.
It just smacks of business for profit with no real community involvement to me and tries to get designers hooked in with a 5% profit. Essentially they pay us a royalty for us to design and market their product for them.
I prefer Massdrop for GB's and will probably continue to do so and not buy sets from PMK unless it's a really GREAT one that I just have to have.
I'm very interested in the Massdrop process, thank you for sharing how it works and please continue to do so :)
If they could implement a fallback solution for kits that don't meet MOQ it'd be just about perfect for GB's. I think that's the ideal solution for small ISO kits. Something like "If this kit doesn't meet MOQ, I'd like to replace it with: <dropdown with default 'none' option>". Should be relatively easy to implement and perhaps it would be useful for some other kinds of drops for them, too.
This is a good reason why PMK should be avoided - they are basically just getting free IP and profiting off other people's hard work
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 08 October 2015, 00:40:56
....Well, they *are* the ones making the caps.
This is a good reason why PMK should be avoided - they are basically just getting free IP and profiting off other people's hard work
Yes, that's their business. Making keycaps by commission. They make profit from any set they sell. We are their client when we order a bunch of caps made to our design. It doesn't mean it's fair for them to make and sell other people's designs at their own discretion and price, when all the design work and promotion have been done by the designer. That's like a factory that's commissioned by Volkswagen to make 100 Golfs making more at their own discretion and selling them themselves at whatever price they choose. Ethical, or not?
IMO, the number of runs of a set should be the designer's choice. A set that's sold "off-the-shelf" will never feel as special as a set that only gets made on rare occasions. Massdrop handles this pretty well with their request system. If enough people are requesting a set design, they will approach the designer to see if they can run the set again. It's up to the designer at that point.
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 09 October 2015, 14:28:01
Do you have more on that? At least, from what I've read, a colorway is not a legally protected item in the US. Someone could just submit a similar colorway under another name as far as I'm aware.I mean legally they could, but they'd be crucified by the community most likely (which some would still risk), and there's always the chance that MD/SP wouldn't be willing to do it. But yes, the only thing the designer really technically "owns" is any custom doubleshot molds they buy.
Okay, that's what I thought to be the case. Actually, the designer would also own the various images created for the IC as, I believe, that does fall under copyright protection as a finished work.
Honestly, I thought it smart of PMK to put in the legal paperwork on that. It avoids any confusion on the part of the community. I just hope they get their site together better. Another thought is that they might extend that to any buys done via MD where MD would require you to sign the SP agreement.This has gone too off-topic, IMO.
Let's just say that as a designer, I will not be using PMK for any of my own sets. Of course it's up to any designer to choose for themselves.
Once you design a set as a complete colourway and create and publish mockups, the design is automatically copyrighted according to US law, since it's a recognisable art work. Someone else could come up with the exact same scheme, but the first to publish gets covered legally.
Sorry for the tangent everyone. That's been bugging me and I've wanted to know more about it so started asking questions and looking into it elsewhere.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled IC; and one where I've got the money set aside.
Do you have more on this? I'm going to redirect us to a new thread specific to this topic (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75941.new#new) to avoid additional clutter here and get this topic back on focus. Also, there's a topic specific to PMK up on the keyboard site. I'd love for you to chime in there as we seem to have differing opinions on them and I'd love to hear more of your take on it. It's a fascinating discussion.
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 12 October 2015, 13:43:55
....
and here my wife normally praises my patience. I guess it has its limits ;)
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 12 October 2015, 17:36:11
Quick bumpy back up. Any news by chance?
....
and here my wife normally praises my patience. I guess it has its limits ;)
Unfortunately I have no update, I'm clueless myself.
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 12 October 2015, 17:53:47
Quick bumpy back up. Any news by chance?
....
and here my wife normally praises my patience. I guess it has its limits ;)
Unfortunately I have no update, I'm clueless myself.
No worries. Thought I'd check in and try to get us back on topic. Sounds like we're waiting on MassDrop for now.
Post by: just66in on Mon, 12 October 2015, 20:44:03
Post by: dutC4 on Mon, 12 October 2015, 20:48:55
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 12 October 2015, 21:27:28
This really took off..
The GOOD stuff always will......... :thumb:
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 14 October 2015, 07:20:33
(http://i.imgur.com/VNT1IqL.png)
Also, I made a short video, but you must forgive me I don't have video editing skills (yet). :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DBA_-t69ac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DBA_-t69ac)
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 14 October 2015, 07:30:06
Looks great! Perhaps add a FN2, that's the only thing I can think of. Oh, and Meta.
Post by: kokokoy on Wed, 14 October 2015, 07:31:43
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 14 October 2015, 07:33:10
Planck and Atomic, I assume? Having 2U backspace, enter and shft is not normal for planck. Just call it the Ortho-pack or something, those who need it will know.
Looks great! Perhaps add a FN2, that's the only thing I can think of. Oh, and Meta.
Ahh yes, Planck/Atomic Kit. I assume FN2 and Meta are R4 keys? Is FN2 the same as FUNC, if so should I just add another FUNC key? Thanks a lot!
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 14 October 2015, 07:35:00
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 14 October 2015, 07:38:59
Well, some people use FN and FN2 instead of raise and lower, since they don't switch layers but just use the FN key like normal Pok3r-style modifiers. But yeah, add a Func key and a meta key, and I think both should be R4, but you WILL get people who have weird layouts, so you'll never please anyone.
I see, that helps a lot. Thanks, I'll update the kit.
Damn! The vid made this IC completely insane!
Glad you like it, it took almost a day and a half to render that short, low res video :))
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 14 October 2015, 08:01:58
I made a mockup for Planck, if anyone can give feedback if what I did is right/wrong that would be great.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VNT1IqL.png)
Also, I made a short video, but you must forgive me I don't have video editing skills (yet). :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DBA_-t69ac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DBA_-t69ac)
S&@# just got real!!
Post by: MohammedSmith on Wed, 14 October 2015, 08:45:02
Post by: romevi on Wed, 14 October 2015, 08:49:10
Update:
Looks like Granite Round 4, too. :confused:
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 14 October 2015, 08:54:21
Best
Interest check
Bar none
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 14 October 2015, 09:53:46
Post by: MyBoolean on Wed, 14 October 2015, 10:54:06
Post by: just66in on Wed, 14 October 2015, 14:26:43
I made a mockup for Planck, if anyone can give feedback if what I did is right/wrong that would be great.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VNT1IqL.png)
Also, I made a short video, but you must forgive me I don't have video editing skills (yet). :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DBA_-t69ac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DBA_-t69ac)
Woah! :cool: You've really brought IC threads to a whole new level. Once again, very well done thesiscamper :thumb:
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 14 October 2015, 15:38:48
Post by: Hexterdude on Wed, 14 October 2015, 15:46:44
Great news everyone, after a chat with the guys at Massdrop things are definitely moving along and Troubled Minds is set to launch mid-November. There are a couple of sets in the pipeline but if things go smoothly we'll be going live soon!The hype is real, I'm so happy that all your hard work is paying off. I'm going to buy this as soon as it drops
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 14 October 2015, 15:49:35
Great news everyone, after a chat with the guys at Massdrop things are definitely moving along and Troubled Minds is set to launch mid-November. There are a couple of sets in the pipeline but if things go smoothly we'll be going live soon!Gosh i am ready cant miss those colors!
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 14 October 2015, 16:00:09
Great news everyone, after a chat with the guys at Massdrop things are definitely moving along and Troubled Minds is set to launch mid-November. There are a couple of sets in the pipeline but if things go smoothly we'll be going live soon!The hype is real, I'm so happy that all your hard work is paying off. I'm going to buy this as soon as it drops
This sounds cheesy but it's a labor of love, I really enjoyed working on this set :)
Great news everyone, after a chat with the guys at Massdrop things are definitely moving along and Troubled Minds is set to launch mid-November. There are a couple of sets in the pipeline but if things go smoothly we'll be going live soon!Gosh i am ready cant miss those colors!
I love your designs and I'm really happy you like this. :thumb:
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 14 October 2015, 16:01:59
Post by: cwils0n on Wed, 14 October 2015, 16:16:53
I'd also like to chime in and say that this will become one of those memorable sets.
Post by: linkshine on Wed, 14 October 2015, 19:17:04
Post by: njbair on Wed, 14 October 2015, 20:04:10
Post by: Data on Wed, 14 October 2015, 21:27:21
I made a mockup for Planck, if anyone can give feedback if what I did is right/wrong that would be great.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VNT1IqL.png)
Also, I made a short video, but you must forgive me I don't have video editing skills (yet). :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DBA_-t69ac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DBA_-t69ac)
Nice kit. Backspace is already a 2u, Row 1 key in the base kit so you might be doubling up there unless you intended to offer the alphas separately from the mods. Might also want to try a purple 2u spacebar. :thumb:
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 14 October 2015, 22:44:21
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 15 October 2015, 01:27:54
This is one of those sets that makes you consider buying a new board just to use it on.
I'm racking up some Amazon gift card money so a Novatouch might just be the ticket here.
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 15 October 2015, 02:43:25
Great news everyone, after a chat with the guys at Massdrop things are definitely moving along and Troubled Minds is set to launch mid-November. There are a couple of sets in the pipeline but if things go smoothly we'll be going live soon!That was fast. I've been pimping Massdrop for a while, but honestly they do a better job of promoting themselves by just doing a great job for us, and in my opinion they are.
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 15 October 2015, 03:31:44
Great news everyone, after a chat with the guys at Massdrop things are definitely moving along and Troubled Minds is set to launch mid-November. There are a couple of sets in the pipeline but if things go smoothly we'll be going live soon!That was fast. I've been pimping Massdrop for a while, but honestly they do a better job of promoting themselves by just doing a great job for us, and in my opinion they are.
Looking forward to seeing this key-set soon on MassDrop ;D .
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 15 October 2015, 04:57:57
Nice kit. Backspace is already a 2u, Row 1 key in the base kit so you might be doubling up there unless you intended to offer the alphas separately from the mods. Might also want to try a purple 2u spacebar. :thumb:
You're right, I'll change that backspace for now replace it with a purple spacebar, thanks! :thumb:
Post by: just66in on Thu, 15 October 2015, 10:24:19
Great news everyone, after a chat with the guys at Massdrop things are definitely moving along and Troubled Minds is set to launch mid-November. There are a couple of sets in the pipeline but if things go smoothly we'll be going live soon!
This calls for another keyboard :p
Post by: cwils0n on Thu, 15 October 2015, 11:07:25
(http://i.imgur.com/j6ABLaA.jpg)
If not, I'll still be getting this set and slapping it on my sprit 60%.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 15 October 2015, 12:15:37
I can't remember if this has been answered, but are there plans for an Ergodox set? I think the color combo will go great with my next build:What case is that?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j6ABLaA.jpg)
If not, I'll still be getting this set and slapping it on my sprit 60%.
Post by: cwils0n on Thu, 15 October 2015, 12:21:52
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/3edl2m/ustxhlaser_cutter_acrylic_experience_cutting/
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 15 October 2015, 14:02:16
Great news everyone, after a chat with the guys at Massdrop things are definitely moving along and Troubled Minds is set to launch mid-November. There are a couple of sets in the pipeline but if things go smoothly we'll be going live soon!
Fantastic news. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for the drop to start, then. SP is definitely going to be busy with SA caps for a while to come, it seems.
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 15 October 2015, 15:37:48
I can't remember if this has been answered, but are there plans for an Ergodox set? I think the color combo will go great with my next build:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j6ABLaA.jpg)
If not, I'll still be getting this set and slapping it on my sprit 60%.
I can make a mock-up for it yes, if you can show me what you think is a great Ergodox Kit or tell me what is included I'll make it right away.
Post by: Pwner on Thu, 15 October 2015, 16:06:03
Post by: cwils0n on Thu, 15 October 2015, 16:24:21
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/415b971e5bee7e418de3 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/415b971e5bee7e418de3)
And here's a render someone made:
(http://i.imgur.com/dVDj4sw.jpg)
If possible,it would be pretty awesome to have some "HAHA" keys for either the 2u keys on the thumb clusters or perhaps one of the side 1.5u mods.
Post by: KoalaKaiser on Thu, 15 October 2015, 16:26:43
Post by: Hexterdude on Thu, 15 October 2015, 16:28:12
Count me in once it's done! Makes me want to rewatch Evangelion!Dude its the 20th anniversary and the re watch Is going on. What are you doing?
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 15 October 2015, 16:48:57
Here's the ergodox layout from the Carbon SA set:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/415b971e5bee7e418de3 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/415b971e5bee7e418de3)
And here's a render someone made:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dVDj4sw.jpg)
If possible,it would be pretty awesome to have some "HAHA" keys for either the 2u keys on the thumb clusters or perhaps one of the side 1.5u mods.
Thanks I was looking at Carbon's kit myself. I think the HAHA keys would look better in the thumb clusters as a 2u, but I'll have to add an Eva key too to balance it.
Post by: KoalaKaiser on Fri, 16 October 2015, 18:47:40
Count me in once it's done! Makes me want to rewatch Evangelion!Dude its the 20th anniversary and the re watch Is going on. What are you doing?
Sadly I sleep all day from working night shifts. I'll power through it on my next day off.
Post by: gadzkun on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:30:47
its a nice set! im in for sure :cool:
Post by: rrrsss on Sat, 17 October 2015, 07:28:38
Post by: NOLAnuffsaid on Wed, 21 October 2015, 13:18:59
Post by: faizerdude on Wed, 21 October 2015, 14:27:32
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 21 October 2015, 14:40:46
so you make this gb in massdrop..
its a nice set! im in for sure :cool:
a very good looking set. i'm interested.
I'm definitely interested!
I am very looking forward to this set. How much more work is left? I am not very informed on these processes.
Thanks for the support! Not much work is left, just waiting for updates from SP, there are keysets currently in the pipeline and we're just waiting our turn. :)
Anyway, I finally made a mockup for the ErgoDox layout:
(http://i.imgur.com/UlSJCrl.png)
edit:
uploaded correct ErgoDox layout
Post by: zip_ana_dublecup on Wed, 21 October 2015, 17:24:24
Post by: Butter on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:24:59
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:26:55
Awesome set any idea when will the group buy start?
Edit: Oops misread the initial post
Answer is sometime mid November but delivery date for caps won't be til sometime in 2016(Danger Zone scheduled for delivery date of February 2016) if anybody is still looking.
Post by: theginginator on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:27:59
Awesome set any idea when will the group buy start?
I believe he said it would be on Massdrop mid November sometime :thumb:
Post by: Butter on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:37:24
Awesome set any idea when will the group buy start?there are keysets currently in the pipeline and we're just waiting our turn. :)
Just a few posts right above you. :p
Edit: Oops meant to add that current previous SA group buys such as Danger Zone have a February delivery date. So I'm assuming anytime after that.
Didn't see that ;D any thing after November will be great since that thanksgiving dinner is gonna cost me some keyboard money.
Post by: Hexterdude on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:42:43
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:48:33
Awesome set any idea when will the group buy start?Currently the plan is to launch sometime in mid-November on Massdrop. :)
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:54:03
Post by: kaiwwww on Wed, 28 October 2015, 00:08:51
My wallet is so ready!nice Many of China's waiting for you to open GB
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 28 October 2015, 02:15:58
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 28 October 2015, 03:22:46
Not too long a wait for ordering. Unfortunately, we can't say the same about the wait for the caps themselves.Yes this is correct, although according to Melissa they're still receiving orders for SA up to now. I hope everybody realizes there will be a long wait for the shipment.
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 28 October 2015, 05:15:47
Post by: just66in on Wed, 28 October 2015, 08:57:49
Not too long a wait for ordering. Unfortunately, we can't say the same about the wait for the caps themselves.Yes this is correct, although according to Melissa they're still receiving orders for SA up to now. I hope everybody realizes there will be a long wait for the shipment.
Definitely worth every wait.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 28 October 2015, 08:59:33
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 28 October 2015, 09:01:27
Not too long a wait for ordering. Unfortunately, we can't say the same about the wait for the caps themselves.Yes this is correct, although according to Melissa they're still receiving orders for SA up to now. I hope everybody realizes there will be a long wait for the shipment.
Definitely worth every wait.
This is gonna be a great set. I ordered Danger Zone a while back. So I'm prepared to wait.
Post by: Ir0n on Wed, 28 October 2015, 12:44:08
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 28 October 2015, 12:48:39
Oh my.. these are amazing! now where is the UNIT0/2 set? :p Nice workWe need a button saying "get in the goddam robot shinji"
Also Put some clothes back on Diana :I the moon sucks
Post by: Ir0n on Wed, 28 October 2015, 12:59:23
Oh my.. these are amazing! now where is the UNIT0/2 set? :p Nice workWe need a button saying "get in the goddam robot shinji"
Also Put some clothes back on Diana :I the moon sucks
"Get in the robot shinji" across the space bar..that'd make it a must buy..no one could refuse!
And hey now...She's no more naked than your pants-less goat man you heathen ;<
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 28 October 2015, 15:16:20
My initial design for the Joker set had "Why so serious?" in the space bar, but was told it wasn't possible at the moment... At least for SP I think.Oh my.. these are amazing! now where is the UNIT0/2 set?We need a button saying "get in the goddam robot shinji"Nice work
Also Put some clothes back on Diana :I the moon sucks
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 28 October 2015, 16:43:21
He's only Naked because he's missing the scarf :/Oh my.. these are amazing! now where is the UNIT0/2 set? :p Nice workWe need a button saying "get in the goddam robot shinji"
Also Put some clothes back on Diana :I the moon sucks
"Get in the robot shinji" across the space bar..that'd make it a must buy..no one could refuse!
And hey now...She's no more naked than your pants-less goat man you heathen ;<
Post by: Butter on Wed, 28 October 2015, 18:02:56
My wallet is so ready!
Thanks, my wallet is not ready, but got to get it anyway :D
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 29 October 2015, 06:23:28
My wallet is so ready!
Thanks, my wallet is not ready, but got to get it anyway :D
My wallet is crying but my credit card is ready :)
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 29 October 2015, 09:33:20
My initial design for the Joker set had "Why so serious?" in the space bar, but was told it wasn't possible at the moment... At least for SP I think.Oh my.. these are amazing! now where is the UNIT0/2 set?We need a button saying "get in the goddam robot shinji"
Also Put some clothes back on Diana :I the moon sucks
AFAIK they could pad print it onto the front or top, but they don't have capability to doubleshot SA spacebars.
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 29 October 2015, 09:58:39
My initial design for the Joker set had "Why so serious?" in the space bar, but was told it wasn't possible at the moment... At least for SP I think.Oh my.. these are amazing! now where is the UNIT0/2 set?We need a button saying "get in the goddam robot shinji"
Also Put some clothes back on Diana :I the moon sucks
AFAIK they could pad print it onto the front or top, but they don't have capability to doubleshot SA spacebars.
I think pad print would be horrible on a spacebar and wear off super fast as well
Post by: romevi on Thu, 29 October 2015, 10:03:52
My initial design for the Joker set had "Why so serious?" in the space bar, but was told it wasn't possible at the moment... At least for SP I think.Oh my.. these are amazing! now where is the UNIT0/2 set?We need a button saying "get in the goddam robot shinji"
Also Put some clothes back on Diana :I the moon sucks
AFAIK they could pad print it onto the front or top, but they don't have capability to doubleshot SA spacebars.
I think pad print would be horrible on a spacebar and wear off super fast as well
I'd prefer a blank spacebar.
Post by: lashiel on Thu, 29 October 2015, 11:01:32
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 30 October 2015, 14:11:03
My initial design for the Joker set had "Why so serious?" in the space bar, but was told it wasn't possible at the moment... At least for SP I think.Oh my.. these are amazing! now where is the UNIT0/2 set?We need a button saying "get in the goddam robot shinji"
Also Put some clothes back on Diana :I the moon sucks
AFAIK they could pad print it onto the front or top, but they don't have capability to doubleshot SA spacebars.
I think pad print would be horrible on a spacebar and wear off super fast as well
Not if it's front printed ;)
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 30 October 2015, 18:11:37
(http://i.imgur.com/7MGAIsi.png)
:thumb:
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Fri, 30 October 2015, 18:33:46
Post by: Xonar on Fri, 30 October 2015, 22:56:12
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 30 October 2015, 23:20:00
I know R1 isn't even here yet, and while I'm super excited for being able to deck out my boards in Unit-01 colors, I'm already envisioning a R2 run through JTK because of all the possibilities like doubleshot spacebars, more custom legends,If there's demand for R2 I'll be more than happy to oblige, I have ideas for new novelties floating in my head already.the best profileCHERRY PROFILE, etc... Just a thought. ;)
Post by: mrgoldenzombie on Sat, 31 October 2015, 00:28:25
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 31 October 2015, 01:13:16
Is it just me or when I see this I automatically think of buzz lighter
It started as a Joker set, then somebody told me they see Eva. Somebody else told me he sees Devastator from the OG Transformers series, but yeah, Buzz Lightyear uses this colorway too. :)
Post by: Niomosy on Sat, 31 October 2015, 01:17:23
Post by: My_Thoughts on Sat, 31 October 2015, 13:17:07
Is it just me or when I see this I automatically think of buzz lighter
It started as a Joker set, then somebody told me they see Eva. Somebody else told me he sees Devastator from the OG Transformers series, but yeah, Buzz Lightyear uses this colorway too. :)
This should mean more sales and easier to hit those lower prices for everyone :)
Post by: alexjd99 on Sat, 31 October 2015, 14:57:36
Made a render for ErgoDox:Making me want to get an ergodox just for this setShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/7MGAIsi.png)
:thumb:
RIP wallet
Post by: Niomosy on Sat, 31 October 2015, 15:51:48
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 31 October 2015, 16:03:15
I'd forgotten about Devastator using that color scheme. Odd seeing as I have one on my book shelf. A Decepticon log would be awesome though I suspect Hasbro wouldn't care for that.
Yeah, I also missed the link to Buzz Lightyear even though he's more recent.
Anyway, do you guys have an idea what finish Penumbra is? If I'm not mistaken, there's three choices (gloss, semi-matte, and matte), but it's usually not mentioned in keyset discussions. I think Penumbra is semi-matte but I could be wrong, I like it's finish though.
Post by: Steezus on Sat, 31 October 2015, 16:13:25
Seems like JTK's going to get pretty busy very quickly.
JTK only does cherry profile at the time being.
Post by: Niomosy on Sat, 31 October 2015, 17:00:25
Seems like JTK's going to get pretty busy very quickly.
JTK only does cherry profile at the time being.
True but people are excited for that since the current options have various limitations or issues. That said, I'm curious to see Matt3o's work on the PBT spherical profile. Still lots to do there but another exciting project.
Post by: kozarrat on Sat, 31 October 2015, 17:41:31
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 31 October 2015, 17:43:18
okay take my money! How do I make sure I don't miss the group buy?
There's no specific date yet, so I guess you'll have to subscribe to Massdrop and check the mails they send, or check this thread from time to time especially around mid-November. :)
Post by: cwils0n on Mon, 02 November 2015, 08:15:21
I'd forgotten about Devastator using that color scheme. Odd seeing as I have one on my book shelf. A Decepticon log would be awesome though I suspect Hasbro wouldn't care for that.
Yeah, I also missed the link to Buzz Lightyear even though he's more recent.
Anyway, do you guys have an idea what finish Penumbra is? If I'm not mistaken, there's three choices (gloss, semi-matte, and matte), but it's usually not mentioned in keyset discussions. I think Penumbra is semi-matte but I could be wrong, I like it's finish though.
I believe Penumbra was semi-matte. Also, thanks for the ergodox render...looks like I'll be purchasing quite a few add-on sets.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 02 November 2015, 13:09:21
Thanks, it's very likely we're going semi-matte for this. Glad you liked the ErgoDox mockup!I'd forgotten about Devastator using that color scheme. Odd seeing as I have one on my book shelf. A Decepticon log would be awesome though I suspect Hasbro wouldn't care for that.
Yeah, I also missed the link to Buzz Lightyear even though he's more recent.
Anyway, do you guys have an idea what finish Penumbra is? If I'm not mistaken, there's three choices (gloss, semi-matte, and matte), but it's usually not mentioned in keyset discussions. I think Penumbra is semi-matte but I could be wrong, I like it's finish though.
I believe Penumbra was semi-matte. Also, thanks for the ergodox render...looks like I'll be purchasing quite a few add-on sets.
Post by: keyboardia1 on Mon, 02 November 2015, 14:37:36
sounds good to me. can't wait!Thanks, it's very likely we're going semi-matte for this. Glad you liked the ErgoDox mockup!I'd forgotten about Devastator using that color scheme. Odd seeing as I have one on my book shelf. A Decepticon log would be awesome though I suspect Hasbro wouldn't care for that.
Yeah, I also missed the link to Buzz Lightyear even though he's more recent.
Anyway, do you guys have an idea what finish Penumbra is? If I'm not mistaken, there's three choices (gloss, semi-matte, and matte), but it's usually not mentioned in keyset discussions. I think Penumbra is semi-matte but I could be wrong, I like it's finish though.
I believe Penumbra was semi-matte. Also, thanks for the ergodox render...looks like I'll be purchasing quite a few add-on sets.
Post by: mrgoldenzombie on Mon, 02 November 2015, 15:56:06
Those are renders done in 3D Max using V-Ray. I'm much more comfortable working with sets in 3D than say, Illustrator or Photoshop.
I've updated some of the novelties, I prefer the red legends too as I imagine somehow when Joker says something there will be blood, but I understand a lot of people want their sets to be consistent.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ILfHG56.png)There are only 2 Magi... :-[I really like the DIE cap
Should there be more? I mean as far as I know there are 2 versions (Ver. 1.x and 2.x), but if you mean the three Magis themselves I'll see if I can incorporate Melchior, Balthasar and Casper.You should change the ~ and \| keys to match the alphas.
I've included alternate colors for those keys in the base kit :)
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 02 November 2015, 16:46:54
okay take my money! How do I make sure I don't miss the group buy?
There's no specific date yet, so I guess you'll have to subscribe to Massdrop and check the mails they send, or check this thread from time to time especially around mid-November. :)
Heh, I'm already carefully reading every Massdrop email I get ;)
Post by: gadzkun on Tue, 03 November 2015, 02:46:06
okay take my money! How do I make sure I don't miss the group buy?
There's no specific date yet, so I guess you'll have to subscribe to Massdrop and check the mails they send, or check this thread from time to time especially around mid-November. :)
Heh, I'm already carefully reading every Massdrop email I get ;)
hahhaha dont worry you wont miss it,, just stay tune mid november at massdrop..
Post by: keyboardia1 on Tue, 03 November 2015, 02:49:05
Base Kit
Novelties (Joker & EVA themed)
ISO kit
International Kit
Adapter Kit
Planck/Atomic Kit
Oh well, at least i'll be poor and happy ;D
Post by: gadzkun on Tue, 03 November 2015, 04:47:51
Just realized there's also a planck kit. Man this is going to make me poor:
Base Kit
Novelties (Joker & EVA themed)
ISO kit
International Kit
Adapter Kit
Planck/Atomic Kit
Oh well, at least i'll be poor and happy ;D
agreed ;D
Post by: Glenmael on Tue, 03 November 2015, 05:32:15
okay take my money! How do I make sure I don't miss the group buy?
There's no specific date yet, so I guess you'll have to subscribe to Massdrop and check the mails they send, or check this thread from time to time especially around mid-November. :)
Heh, I'm already carefully reading every Massdrop email I get ;)
hahhaha dont worry you wont miss it,, just stay tune mid november at massdrop..
So many sets on MD these days, I hope this gets managed well.
Post by: braidn on Tue, 03 November 2015, 07:05:00
Post by: zzyjayfree on Tue, 03 November 2015, 10:31:08
Post by: romevi on Tue, 03 November 2015, 10:34:44
GB any soon?
Later this month on Massdrop.
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 03 November 2015, 14:31:14
okay take my money! How do I make sure I don't miss the group buy?
There's no specific date yet, so I guess you'll have to subscribe to Massdrop and check the mails they send, or check this thread from time to time especially around mid-November. :)
Heh, I'm already carefully reading every Massdrop email I get ;)
hahhaha dont worry you wont miss it,, just stay tune mid november at massdrop..
So many sets on MD these days, I hope this gets managed well.
MassDrop needs to be better with putting up accurate pricing so they don't end up in a mess like another buy that's going right now. The base kit seems to be TKL so we're at a very good starting point.
Post by: Glenmael on Tue, 03 November 2015, 15:02:58
okay take my money! How do I make sure I don't miss the group buy?
There's no specific date yet, so I guess you'll have to subscribe to Massdrop and check the mails they send, or check this thread from time to time especially around mid-November. :)
Heh, I'm already carefully reading every Massdrop email I get ;)
hahhaha dont worry you wont miss it,, just stay tune mid november at massdrop..
So many sets on MD these days, I hope this gets managed well.
MassDrop needs to be better with putting up accurate pricing so they don't end up in a mess like another buy that's going right now. The base kit seems to be TKL so we're at a very good starting point.
Spot on. I have no idea what is going on with the current Otaku set, anyhow do not want to derail this thread!
I'm in when this drops! :)
Post by: braidn on Tue, 03 November 2015, 16:25:25
Post by: Glenmael on Tue, 03 November 2015, 17:17:05
and then their derailed Elemento Mito buy a few weeks ago... They are definitely all over the place.
They are generally good at listening to the community, let us wait and see :)
Post by: Kliwon on Tue, 03 November 2015, 20:13:30
Eva & Joker \ ^_^ /
Post by: chromatically on Tue, 03 November 2015, 20:18:50
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 03 November 2015, 20:30:00
oh god yes please. is this happening? i'm in for an ergodox set at least...
We're pretty much in countdown mode now, I believe. Everyone's just waiting for those Massdrop emails to go out with this one listed.
Post by: chromatically on Tue, 03 November 2015, 20:57:08
oh god yes please. is this happening? i'm in for an ergodox set at least...
We're pretty much in countdown mode now, I believe. Everyone's just waiting for those Massdrop emails to go out with this one listed.
(http://i.imgur.com/WCIGc5t.gif)
thank you to everyone who put this together. fantastic work! can't wait to see this on my board :)
Post by: lashiel on Tue, 03 November 2015, 23:47:07
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 04 November 2015, 02:28:59
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 04 November 2015, 03:35:49
Thank you for the enthusiasm guys, it won't be long now. :D
I for one can't wait! This set makes me want to get an Ergodox and a Planck just to show it off in different configurations!
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 04 November 2015, 04:14:11
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76674.0
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 04 November 2015, 04:16:49
Not sure if you saw this but SA profile Row 4 Shift molds are ReadyYes, Oobly has been sending us with SA designs updates via pm. Great timing for coming sculpted sets! :)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76674.0
Post by: romevi on Fri, 06 November 2015, 23:46:50
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 06 November 2015, 23:50:35
So, any idea of when we should expect this to pop up on MD? :)Should be around next week. I'm currently updating the mockups, improved the 3d models and legends. I also might be able to use an improved 2d mockup if time permits. :)
Post by: Jedi on Sat, 07 November 2015, 00:27:35
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 07 November 2015, 00:31:13
Well there goes my wallet. You've done an excellent job with everything on this project. You're gonna do even better when this gets out. Next week is gonna be HUGE.
Thank you for the kind words, here's the updated renders for the Joker set:
(http://i.imgur.com/631OP5n.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/I3Adsmg.png)
Post by: Hexterdude on Sat, 07 November 2015, 00:37:26
Well there goes my wallet. You've done an excellent job with everything on this project. You're gonna do even better when this gets out. Next week is gonna be HUGE.
Thank you for the kind words, here's the updated renders for the Joker set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/631OP5n.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/I3Adsmg.png)
This looks great! Is there an updated one for the eva?
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 07 November 2015, 00:38:28
Well there goes my wallet. You've done an excellent job with everything on this project. You're gonna do even better when this gets out. Next week is gonna be HUGE.
Thank you for the kind words, here's the updated renders for the Joker set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/631OP5n.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/I3Adsmg.png)
This looks great! Is there an updated one for the eva?
Yes I'll render an update for the Eva kit too, I just need to do something first. :)
Post by: gadzkun on Sat, 07 November 2015, 01:53:29
Well there goes my wallet. You've done an excellent job with everything on this project. You're gonna do even better when this gets out. Next week is gonna be HUGE.
Thank you for the kind words, here's the updated renders for the Joker set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/631OP5n.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/I3Adsmg.png)
hmmm the ESC (DIE) it should be RED colored rigth? :thumb:
oh and for INS - PGDN should be purple. :D
(http://i.imgur.com/1aXUd0R.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/feMLYKL.png)
or a new render its the final design??
Post by: xondat on Sat, 07 November 2015, 01:59:18
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 07 November 2015, 02:18:46
You're right, I don't even know my own set anymore. :DWell there goes my wallet. You've done an excellent job with everything on this project. You're gonna do even better when this gets out. Next week is gonna be HUGE.
Thank you for the kind words, here's the updated renders for the Joker set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/631OP5n.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/I3Adsmg.png)
hmmm the ESC (DIE) it should be RED colored rigth? :thumb:
oh and for INS - PGDN should be purple. :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/1aXUd0R.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/feMLYKL.png)
I'll update those later, thanks!
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 07 November 2015, 03:20:40
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/631OP5n.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/I3Adsmg.png)
It positively looks EVIL and that is always superb in anyone's language 8) .
So far this is the perfect Purple and Green Colour way yet devised and it maybe the first one that cracks over a 1000 in a couple of days on MassDrop.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 07 November 2015, 04:53:24
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/631OP5n.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/I3Adsmg.png)
It positively looks EVIL and that is always superb in anyone's language 8) .
So far this is the perfect Purple and Green Colour way yet devised and it maybe the first one that cracks over a 1000 in a couple of days on MassDrop.
Haha thanks, but honestly I wil be extremely happy to reach a hundred orders.
Here's the updated Joker renders (again), I'll be doing the Eva in a bit.
(http://i.imgur.com/0OwSQUG.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/jCwpns7.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/vpQCE88.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/k2yggHH.png)
edit:
added Eva renders
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 07 November 2015, 06:12:17
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/631OP5n.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/I3Adsmg.png)
Love the unique "J" it makes me want this key-set even MORE :p .
Has to be the most appropriate key-set for these times and may last forever more, thanks for doing all this and proving that with a little uniqueness in key-caps can go a long way.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 07 November 2015, 06:14:33
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 07 November 2015, 06:35:44
Base Kit
(http://i.imgur.com/di9HbS5.png)
Color Modifier Kit
(http://i.imgur.com/HoDgRCZ.png)
Post by: TalkingTree on Sat, 07 November 2015, 07:25:28
Edit: typo.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 07 November 2015, 08:03:21
Rather than a color modifier you could go for a reserve scheme. Green alphas and purple mods.
I think in it's current scheme, this set has a nice balance. The green might seem too overpowering.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 07 November 2015, 19:11:11
Rather than a color modifier you could go for a reverse scheme. Green alphas and purple mods.
Edit: typo.
I'm not sure about that, the split will affect MOQ and pricing, not to mention green alphas will have less contrast with the novelties. You'll end up with a green set with a handful of purple keys... offering novelties in both purple and green will split the sets and affect the pricing and MOQ some more I guess.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 08 November 2015, 02:22:39
Rather than a color modifier you could go for a reserve scheme. Green alphas and purple mods.
I think in it's current scheme, this set has a nice balance. The green might seem too overpowering.
This is a scheme based on the "Joker" and trust me he's no pvssy when it comes to all out lunacy, maybe why I love that character above all the other fantasy types coming from Hollywood these days.
Capture his style and his absolute crazy manner because this is what makes this key-set shine for me personally. When you go "SAFE" it then becomes another PG10 edition only suitable for kiddie links and retired old pensioners.
You want to step out in style and not be hampered by the minority wanting something quiet and morose. When you're dead go that way but whilst your alive, go for the MADNESS :p .
Post by: gadzkun on Sun, 08 November 2015, 04:11:56
i take a pic from skidata adapter pack :)
Quote
Show Image(http://s.kaskus.id/images/2015/11/08/8205554_20151108054405.png)
trouble minds adapter pack is almost suport many layout just missing that a bit of keys :)
ahhh i cant wait for this GB
*Edited
Like this i think its nice :p
(http://s.kaskus.id/images/2015/11/08/8205554_20151108054115.png)
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 08 November 2015, 04:32:48
for the adapter pack can you add R1 "End, PgDn, Del" in adapter pack for more layout support like 1800 ^^
trouble minds adapter pack is almost suport many layout just missing that 3 keys :)
i take a pic from skidata adapter pack :)Show Image(http://s.kaskus.id/images/2015/11/08/8205554_20151108052210.png)
ahhh i cant wait for this GB
I suppose I can, I just hope the other non-standard guys don't mind.
(http://i.imgur.com/VTJSSkS.png)
Post by: gadzkun on Sun, 08 November 2015, 04:37:19
I suppose I can, I just hope the other non-standard guys don't mind.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VTJSSkS.png)
hahhahahha you can add for 75% too if they mind xD
like this
(http://s.kaskus.id/images/2015/11/08/8205554_20151108054115.png)
*Edited
hmmm
75%
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Show Image(http://s.kaskus.id/images/2015/11/08/8205554_20151108062259.jpg)
1800
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Show Image(http://s.kaskus.id/images/2015/11/08/8205554_20151108062541.jpg)
aw so nice!~ dam i cant wait any longer :p
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 08 November 2015, 06:52:12
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 08 November 2015, 06:55:38
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 08 November 2015, 07:04:40
I really can't decide if I'm going to buy this... I ordered Carbon and Round 5a already, which will hopefully be here before this kit were made, which counts against it. The colors honestly couldn't be used at work, which counts against it. But then it's frakking awesome, and that counts heavily in favor...I missed both sets, learned about them a little too late. You still have around a week to decide, and at least you already have two awesome sets to look forward to. :)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 08 November 2015, 17:52:31
The colors honestly couldn't be used at work, which counts against it. But then it's frakking awesome, and that counts heavily in favor...
It's always a good time to buy decent key-sets, especially this Colour-way here.
Also what place do you work at that would scowl at these babies? All you have to do is get that boss of yours to turn that frown upside down and enjoy the MADNESS ;D .
Post by: Otesanek on Mon, 09 November 2015, 02:29:01
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 09 November 2015, 02:31:24
This is so amazing. I really like this set. If I am already signed up on Massdrop will I automatically be notified when the group buy is started?If you're currently receiving email updates then yes, if not I think you need to subscribe.
Post by: Otesanek on Mon, 09 November 2015, 03:17:05
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 09 November 2015, 04:39:26
I am definitely receiving email updates from Massdrop, I was wondering if there was some other section I needed to subscribe to. I am fairly new to this community... How do group buys like this work? Are there going to be a finite amount of sets made? Or are they produced based on the amount of people who buy in? Sorry if these are dumb questions, I just really want to purchase this set.
Yes, amount produced is based on amount of orders received, and if I'm not mistaken Massdrop orders extra kits. I think there have been cases where some people missed a drop but were able to buy extra kits from Massdrop. As long as your account in Massdrop is subscribed to the mechanical keyboard community you should be able to receive updates relevant to it.
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 09 November 2015, 13:03:26
Now to decide if I should get that RK930 55g or just wait for a NovaTouch 45g.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 09 November 2015, 16:59:13
Now to decide if I should get that RK930 55g or just wait for a NovaTouch 45g.
No choice really, GET the 55g RK930 because it stands out as the FIRST all 55g that can take any type of key-caps that were ever made or ever likely to be made :thumb: .
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 09 November 2015, 17:07:42
Now to decide if I should get that RK930 55g or just wait for a NovaTouch 45g.
No choice really, GET the 55g RK930 because it stands out as the FIRST all 55g that can take any type of key-caps that were ever made or ever likely to be made :thumb: .
I'm an MX reds kind of guy so I'm somewhat concerned about the 55g RK. Though I'm still mighty tempted.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 10 November 2015, 15:06:54
Post by: saturnotaku on Tue, 10 November 2015, 15:11:38
I'm an MX reds kind of guy so I'm somewhat concerned about the 55g RK. Though I'm still mighty tempted.
Having used both a 55g Realforce and RK, the latter feels lighter. I'd say the RK is closer to 45-50g, and it's a keyboard I very highly recommend.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 10 November 2015, 15:15:01
I'm currently trying to figure out which legends have issues with the tooling and will be adjusting them later. SP's way of communicating needs improvement, like saying some legends won't work but not pointing out which ones, or which part of the legend is problematic. So we have to mail back and forth for this piece of information that should've been given in the first email. The time zone difference adds to the delay, so I'll maybe email an update this morning, get it the next day, and I'll send an update and wait the next day.Rats. I've been checking MD occasionally since yesterday.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 10 November 2015, 19:01:44
Having used both a 55g Realforce and RK, the latter feels lighter. I'd say the RK is closer to 45-50g, and it's a keyboard I very highly recommend.
You've heard it folks, time to step up to some decent Thorpie action even if you have limpy wrists and weak fingers because this keyboard will make a man of you 8) .
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 10 November 2015, 19:37:15
I'm an MX reds kind of guy so I'm somewhat concerned about the 55g RK. Though I'm still mighty tempted.
Having used both a 55g Realforce and RK, the latter feels lighter. I'd say the RK is closer to 45-50g, and it's a keyboard I very highly recommend.
Solid. 45g feels a bit light for me on reds but blacks were good but definitely a bit heavy for full-day use. Sounds like this might be worth trying out.
Damn. The RK, Troubled Minds set, the upcoming Dasher and possibly Dancer sets, plus potentially picking up an Axios. RIP my wallet. At least I'm relatively prepared for it, though ;)
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 10 November 2015, 21:12:39
No more red clown lips?
Not possible with doubleshot SA
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 10 November 2015, 23:51:20
Post by: Glenmael on Tue, 10 November 2015, 23:54:09
This is launching earlier than I expected, around midnight Pacific Time. I think that's 2 hours away :)
Ah when the Otaku drop finishes I see :D
Post by: njbair on Tue, 10 November 2015, 23:57:53
This is launching earlier than I expected, around midnight Pacific Time. I think that's 2 hours away :)Awesome news! RIP Massdrop servers.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 10 November 2015, 23:58:50
This is launching earlier than I expected, around midnight Pacific Time. I think that's 2 hours away :)Oh, YES.
Post by: gadzkun on Wed, 11 November 2015, 00:00:47
(http://s.kaskus.id/images/2015/11/08/8205554_20151108054115.png)
can you add
R2 = PGUP
R3 = PGDN
R4 = END
for adapter pack?
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 00:12:00
is still possible to make some change?I can't promise that, sorry. I'll ask though :)Show Image(http://s.kaskus.id/images/2015/11/08/8205554_20151108054115.png)
can you add
R2 = PGUP
R3 = PGDN
R4 = END
for adapter pack?
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 11 November 2015, 00:12:58
This is launching earlier than I expected, around midnight Pacific Time. I think that's 2 hours away :)
Ah when the Otaku drop finishes I see :D
Well damn. Guess I'm staying up a bit later than I'd expected (like maybe 5 minutes longer :P )
This is launching earlier than I expected, around midnight Pacific Time. I think that's 2 hours away :)
This is launching earlier than I expected, around midnight Pacific Time. I think that's 2 hours away :)
Well damn. I guess I'll stay up a bit longer than expected to jump in on this (a whole 5 minutes or so longer! :P ).
Ah when the Otaku drop finishes I see :D
I think MD wants to erase the memory of the Otaku ordeal.
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 11 November 2015, 00:15:07
This is launching earlier than I expected, around midnight Pacific Time. I think that's 2 hours away :)
Ah when the Otaku drop finishes I see :D
Well damn. Guess I'm staying up a bit later than I'd expected (like maybe 5 minutes longer :P )This is launching earlier than I expected, around midnight Pacific Time. I think that's 2 hours away :)This is launching earlier than I expected, around midnight Pacific Time. I think that's 2 hours away :)
Well damn. I guess I'll stay up a bit longer than expected to jump in on this (a whole 5 minutes or so longer! :P ).
Ah when the Otaku drop finishes I see :D
I think MD wants to erase the memory of the Otaku ordeal.
Yeah :(
I jumped on as I actually like the idea of 'blank-non-blanks' (I cannot read Katakana or hiragana)
Post by: gadzkun on Wed, 11 November 2015, 00:20:09
I can't promise that, sorry. I'll ask though :)
ahhh now its time to pray then ^-^
Yeah :(
I jumped on as I actually like the idea of 'blank-non-blanks' (I cannot read Katakana or hiragana)
i cant read and write it too but the main problem is really pricy..
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 11 November 2015, 00:21:54
I can't promise that, sorry. I'll ask though :)
ahhh now its time to pray then ^-^Yeah :(
I jumped on as I actually like the idea of 'blank-non-blanks' (I cannot read Katakana or hiragana)
i cant read and write it too but the main problem is really pricy..
Yeah it is/was pricey, it was just poorly managed (by MD).
Post by: gadzkun on Wed, 11 November 2015, 00:35:49
Yeah it is/was pricey, it was just poorly managed (by MD).
i was interested at first, but really 60% set = gmk set hahahha i cant afford that
back to topic when the GB released in MD
will the price drop details released on this thread like carbon set
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 01:41:32
I'm not sure I really thought it would be next week.Yeah it is/was pricey, it was just poorly managed (by MD).
i was interested at first, but really 60% set = gmk set hahahha i cant afford that
back to topic when the GB released in MD
will the price drop details released on this thread like carbon set
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 01:59:43
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 11 November 2015, 02:00:22
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 02:03:25
Hmmm, midnight. Perhaps I missed it but I don't yet see it. Maybe it will drop at some point later this morning?It's up :)
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 11 November 2015, 02:04:49
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/troubled-minds-sa-keycap-set
Post by: Hexterdude on Wed, 11 November 2015, 02:05:01
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 02:10:42
Found it. Odd, I had to go into Discover and scroll all the way down. They need to improve that system a bit. Link for those that might need it:My bad I posted too early, just so excited :D
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/troubled-minds-sa-keycap-set
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 11 November 2015, 02:14:54
Quote
To avoid errors/confusion with the current checkout system, we will be changing the drop points manually for this drop. We are paying attention to the number of each child deal being bought as well. If they reach certain quantities, we will adjust their prices accordingly. You may notice fluctuations in your checkout price as we make these adjustments on the back end, but you will not be charged more for anything.
That's odd. That's part of the problem from Otaku. I would have thought MD would learn from that but apparently not.
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 02:19:08
I'm in. Got the base + numpad for now but I'll keep checking pricing and hopefully pick up the novelties as well. Also noticed this which cracks me up.I'm guessing posting the lowest possible price presents a problem when it doesn't reach MOQ. Will it be better if all drop points are displayed in the main page from the beginning? I'll ask.QuoteTo avoid errors/confusion with the current checkout system, we will be changing the drop points manually for this drop. We are paying attention to the number of each child deal being bought as well. If they reach certain quantities, we will adjust their prices accordingly. You may notice fluctuations in your checkout price as we make these adjustments on the back end, but you will not be charged more for anything.
That's odd. That's part of the problem from Otaku. I would have thought MD would learn from that but apparently not.
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 11 November 2015, 02:24:54
I'm in. Got the base + numpad for now but I'll keep checking pricing and hopefully pick up the novelties as well. Also noticed this which cracks me up.I'm guessing posting the lowest possible price presents a problem when it doesn't reach MOQ. Will it be better if all drop points are displayed in the main page from the beginning? I'll ask.QuoteTo avoid errors/confusion with the current checkout system, we will be changing the drop points manually for this drop. We are paying attention to the number of each child deal being bought as well. If they reach certain quantities, we will adjust their prices accordingly. You may notice fluctuations in your checkout price as we make these adjustments on the back end, but you will not be charged more for anything.
That's odd. That's part of the problem from Otaku. I would have thought MD would learn from that but apparently not.
Yeah, I think a lot of people are used to seeing multiple price points on many MD runs. It gives a clearer concept that the price will drop should more people buy in. It seems to provide a bit more comfort for some people to buy in.
Fortunately, your starting price points were pretty solid so I'm hopeful that the results will be good.
Post by: kokokoy on Wed, 11 November 2015, 02:58:04
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 11 November 2015, 03:00:09
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 11 November 2015, 03:36:55
Post by: kaiwwww on Wed, 11 November 2015, 03:44:33
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 03:45:39
Nice. I'm ordering in the morning when I get off work. Have to figure out what child sets I'm going to add. Nice work on this one @thesiscamper!!Thank you!
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 11 November 2015, 04:56:11
EVA 01 / Joker Kit 39.99$ Too expensive
Join! it can only get cheaper :)
Post by: gadzkun on Wed, 11 November 2015, 05:06:40
Numpad $25.99
Eva 01/Joker Kit $39.99
Non-Standard $38.99
Total $183.96
ahhh but still i really love this set! join!
*should prepare a noodle for this whole month
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 05:09:09
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 11 November 2015, 07:30:37
From our posts on reddit I thought there was a chance of the green face being included :(
Still going to order though :)
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 11 November 2015, 08:39:13
Post by: cwils0n on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:00:19
Base Kit $78.99
Numpad $25.99
Eva 01/Joker Kit $39.99
Non-Standard $38.99
Total $183.96
ahhh but still i really love this set! join!
*should prepare a noodle for this whole month
I got the base + ergodox + Eva 01/Joker kit and I'm at $173.96...worth every penny, methinks. I do hope we see a price reduction for at least the base set though. This is the most I've spent on a keyset so far, although my Carbon purchase was nearly the same price. I think this will mark the end of my keycap spending for a good while.
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:02:28
Post by: romevi on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:16:33
Is there anyway that Massdrop could split the Eva/Joker novelty kit into their own their kits. I can't bring myself together to spend an additional $39.99 on a kit that I will only ever use half the keys for. Still a great set though, congrats on getting the GB started thesiscamper. :thumb:
Buy the set and I may interested in your leftovers.
Post by: lashiel on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:22:57
Is there anyway that Massdrop could split the Eva/Joker novelty kit into their own their kits. I can't bring myself together to spend an additional $39.99 on a kit that I will only ever use half the keys for. Still a great set though, congrats on getting the GB started thesiscamper. :thumb:
I know that generally the philosophy is you combine smaller sets to reach MOQ, and to avoid higher costs sometimes related to that. So, it's probably actually cheaper this way. But thesiscamper should feel free to comment. I'm actually in the same boat as you, in that I have no intention of using the Joker keys. But I really want the EVA ones.
Congrats on successfully making it to MD thesis! I'm in for almost one of everything.
Post by: kozarrat on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:26:09
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:35:39
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:37:25
Exactly, splitting child packs like that just lead to higher prices for each, and issues reaching MOQ.Is there anyway that Massdrop could split the Eva/Joker novelty kit into their own their kits. I can't bring myself together to spend an additional $39.99 on a kit that I will only ever use half the keys for. Still a great set though, congrats on getting the GB started thesiscamper. :thumb:
I know that generally the philosophy is you combine smaller sets to reach MOQ, and to avoid higher costs sometimes related to that. So, it's probably actually cheaper this way. But thesiscamper should feel free to comment. I'm actually in the same boat as you, in that I have no intention of using the Joker keys. But I really want the EVA ones.
Congrats on successfully making it to MD thesis! I'm in for almost one of everything.
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:46:50
Post by: gadzkun on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:52:59
Base Kit $78.99
Numpad $25.99
Eva 01/Joker Kit $39.99
Non-Standard $38.99
Total $183.96
ahhh but still i really love this set! join!
*should prepare a noodle for this whole month
I got the base + ergodox + Eva 01/Joker kit and I'm at $173.96...worth every penny, methinks. I do hope we see a price reduction for at least the base set though. This is the most I've spent on a keyset so far, although my Carbon purchase was nearly the same price. I think this will mark the end of my keycap spending for a good while.
yeah its a good set if you really like a theme. since im a fan of joker thou. cant miss it xD
but that Estimated ship date is Mar 9, 2016.
hahhahaha now i should just try to forget i buy it.. :))
im glad its on massdrop thou so i dont need to PM and ask about update of my package.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:56:12
Base Kit $78.99
Numpad $25.99
Eva 01/Joker Kit $39.99
Non-Standard $38.99
Total $183.96
ahhh but still i really love this set! join!
*should prepare a noodle for this whole month
I got the base + ergodox + Eva 01/Joker kit and I'm at $173.96...worth every penny, methinks. I do hope we see a price reduction for at least the base set though. This is the most I've spent on a keyset so far, although my Carbon purchase was nearly the same price. I think this will mark the end of my keycap spending for a good while.
yeah its a good set if you really like a theme. since im a fan of joker thou. cant miss it xD
but that Estimated ship date is Mar 9, 2016.
hahhahaha now i should just try to forget i buy it.. :))
im glad its on massdrop thou so i dont need to PM and ask about update of my package.
The best thing for GBs is to join, forget, then get a nice surprise in the mail months later!
Unless you suddenly remember two years later about your order and haven't gotten anything...
Post by: FuriousGeorge on Wed, 11 November 2015, 10:34:44
Post by: lashiel on Wed, 11 November 2015, 11:18:07
By the time you finally get it you've long forgotten about the payment and it's like you're getting free caps in the mail. Right? :)
Yep. The money's long gone by that point. :p
Post by: chromatically on Wed, 11 November 2015, 11:19:25
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:00:40
Is there anyway that Massdrop could split the Eva/Joker novelty kit into their own their kits. I can't bring myself together to spend an additional $39.99 on a kit that I will only ever use half the keys for. Still a great set though, congrats on getting the GB started thesiscamper. :thumb:
Is there anyway that Massdrop could split the Eva/Joker novelty kit into their own their kits. I can't bring myself together to spend an additional $39.99 on a kit that I will only ever use half the keys for. Still a great set though, congrats on getting the GB started thesiscamper. :thumb:
I know that generally the philosophy is you combine smaller sets to reach MOQ, and to avoid higher costs sometimes related to that. So, it's probably actually cheaper this way. But thesiscamper should feel free to comment. I'm actually in the same boat as you, in that I have no intention of using the Joker keys. But I really want the EVA ones.
Congrats on successfully making it to MD thesis! I'm in for almost one of everything.
This is basically the reasoning I was told, splitting up the kits will result in higher prices while joining them together will make the chances of reaching MOQ or the next drop point higher.
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:02:36
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:02:57
Any chance we see a 6u space bar for this? *grumbles to self about weird fc660 layout*
Sorry, but SP doesn't have the molds for it. I was going to add 6.5u too but here is the list of spacebars they do for SA:
For SA Spacebars, we currently make:
4 Unit
4.5 Unit
6.2/6.25 unit
7 Unit
8 Unit
9 Unit
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:05:08
So, just saw this pop up on MD, and I think the mockups and renders are actually incorrect, because I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as an R4 SA spacebar. This was just being discussed on DT last week, and the only spacebar molds they have are R3, so your bottom row would be like Retro SA with a drop from Alt(Gr) to the spacebar.
You're right, the spacebar is R3, the 3D render is R3 but the 2D mockup shows the spacebar beside the R4.. it's going to be R3 though. I will see about changing that.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:05:43
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:09:44
Thesiscamper, perhaps we should now move this discussion to the GroupBuy section to bring the party to the rest of the crowd?
Hi, I'll ask a mod. Thanks!
Post by: chromatically on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:22:33
Any chance we see a 6u space bar for this? *grumbles to self about weird fc660 layout*
Sorry, but SP doesn't have the molds for it. I was going to add 6.5u too but here is the list of spacebars they do for SA:
For SA Spacebars, we currently make:
4 Unit
4.5 Unit
6.2/6.25 unit
7 Unit
8 Unit
9 Unit
any chance of 6u being made? SP should do it, there's DOZENS of 6u space bar users... DOZENS of us. I may buy enough to meet any MOQ myself :p
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:27:14
I forgot: Will the Shifts be R4?
Yes, I didn't know SP was doing R3 shifts for past sets and I designed this with R4 shifts in mind, the mockups show they're R4 so they should be R4. I'll be reiterating this point with Massdrop and Melissa so we don't have a nasty surprise later on. :thumb:
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:27:37
Post by: gadzkun on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:47:49
The best thing for GBs is to join, forget, then get a nice surprise in the mail months later!
Unless you suddenly remember two years later about your order and haven't gotten anything...
thats what happen to my friend.
lucky my friend wallet seems unlimited for this hobbies.
but for me i will only make a safe buy for sure :)
I'm in for the base set, alternate colors, and the EVA/Joker set, but this combined with the SKIDATA+ set means I have spent way more than I should of on keysets, so now I have to be done!
i did the same thing as you. i had plan for my 1st duck custom keyboard but hope it wont happen soon. but already spent too much on keyset xD
the keyset temptation is over 9000.
Post by: Data on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:59:55
I forgot: Will the Shifts be R4?
Yes, I didn't know SP was doing R3 shifts for past sets and I designed this with R4 shifts in mind, the mockups show they're R4 so they should be R4. I'll be reiterating this point with Massdrop and Melissa so we don't have a nasty surprise later on. :thumb:
Please let us know what they say. There was some word that SP was investing in the R4 Shift molds because there was so much demand for the SA profile, but I don't know if anything was official. If they followed through with it then I know a lot of GB organizers and keyset designers who will be very happy to hear it. It will be nice to finally have confirmation.
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 11 November 2015, 14:03:54
Quote from: gadzcun
i did the same thing as you. i had plan for my 1st duck custom keyboard but hope it wont happen soon. but already spent too much on keyset xD
the keyset temptation is over 9000.
I know the feeling, I have plans for a b.87 in the near future but it looks like I am going to have to sell some stuff to finance that, otherwise it will be on the back-burner until I get all of the keysets I am in GBs for.
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 14:20:45
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 11 November 2015, 14:32:35
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 11 November 2015, 14:37:31
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 14:46:47
Seems reasonable to move it over to the GB section, though probably include a link here as the last post prior to lockup.
I'll see about that later in the day.
Anyway, legends only have minor fixes left and I've addressed them all just now. If there will be more adjustments to be made they should be fairly minor, so yay for us!
Post by: romevi on Wed, 11 November 2015, 14:57:08
Seems reasonable to move it over to the GB section, though probably include a link here as the last post prior to lockup.
I'll see about that later in the day.
Anyway, legends only have minor fixes left and I've addressed them all just now. If there will be more adjustments to be made they should be fairly minor, so yay for us!
Someone mentioned this on MD:
Will the stylized "J" be scooped?
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 11 November 2015, 15:13:00
Seems reasonable to move it over to the GB section, though probably include a link here as the last post prior to lockup.
I'll see about that later in the day.
Anyway, legends only have minor fixes left and I've addressed them all just now. If there will be more adjustments to be made they should be fairly minor, so yay for us!
Someone mentioned this on MD:
Will the stylized "J" be scooped?
I'll make clarifications for this later, it has been suggested that extra keys (like the ones for Cherry earlier) can be added in an extra kit like Danger Zone's goose pack.
Post by: meevilsheep on Wed, 11 November 2015, 17:24:24
Post by: rpeterclark on Wed, 11 November 2015, 17:35:14
Wow.. just wow... nice work thesiscamper. Nice to see that the base set and Joker kit almost hit the first price drop after 1 day. Will definitely join this GB, just need to finish some $$ related things.
No kidding, I was refreshing the page throughout the day and the orders were just climbing. More than 75% of the way there on the first day for the base and joker/eva kits. Fantastic!
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 11 November 2015, 17:55:53
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 12 November 2015, 00:22:12
I forgot: Will the Shifts be R4?
Yes, I didn't know SP was doing R3 shifts for past sets and I designed this with R4 shifts in mind, the mockups show they're R4 so they should be R4. I'll be reiterating this point with Massdrop and Melissa so we don't have a nasty surprise later on. :thumb:
Please let us know what they say. There was some word that SP was investing in the R4 Shift molds because there was so much demand for the SA profile, but I don't know if anything was official. If they followed through with it then I know a lot of GB organizers and keyset designers who will be very happy to hear it. It will be nice to finally have confirmation.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76674.0
They haven't posted about it on their vendor subforum yet (as I advised them to), but I have it straight from Melissa that they are ready for use and designers can put them in any new set designs.
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 12 November 2015, 03:10:07
They haven't posted about it on their vendor subforum yet (as I advised them to), but I have it straight from Melissa that they are ready for use and designers can put them in any new set designs.
Thanks Oobly, much appreciated. Melissa is still letting us addicts know what's happening with her organization, simply brilliant 8) .
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 12 November 2015, 03:24:52
http://www.massdrop.community/mechkeys/troubled-minds/
that the ISO unlock point is 50! Is there any possibility if this does not tip it can be run again with a tip point of 25?
Also thanks for making/updating this page. It's a pity the massdrop site does not show this sort of thing
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 12 November 2015, 03:42:23
I just noticed hereI will ask, the MOQs were set higher to make the prices more attractive. I will try to make an ISO render this weekend so ISO guys know what it will look like. I also plan to make renders for Planck (already have an ErgoDox mockup).
http://www.massdrop.community/mechkeys/troubled-minds/
that the ISO unlock point is 50! Is there any possibility if this does not tip it can be run again with a tip point of 25?
Also thanks for making/updating this page. It's a pity the massdrop site does not show this sort of thing
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 12 November 2015, 05:27:38
I just noticed hereI will ask, the MOQs were set higher to make the prices more attractive. I will try to make an ISO render this weekend so ISO guys know what it will look like. I also plan to make renders for Planck (already have an ErgoDox mockup).
http://www.massdrop.community/mechkeys/troubled-minds/
that the ISO unlock point is 50! Is there any possibility if this does not tip it can be run again with a tip point of 25?
Also thanks for making/updating this page. It's a pity the massdrop site does not show this sort of thing
Thanks. From memory modern selectric sold about 30 ISO sets, and I think the tip point was 25.
Post by: Hexterdude on Thu, 12 November 2015, 05:32:39
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 12 November 2015, 05:39:08
Will this set ever be offered again or is it a 1 time deal?
If there's enough demand I will offer it again, but it won't be anytime soon. There are plenty of other SA sets in the works, and I'll probably do an IC for the Unit 02 set before I consider running this again. That's several months away, maybe even a year or more :)
Post by: Hexterdude on Thu, 12 November 2015, 05:40:37
Will this set ever be offered again or is it a 1 time deal?
If there's enough demand I will offer it again, but it won't be anytime soon. There are plenty of other SA sets in the works, and I'll probably do an IC for the Unit 02 set before I consider running this again. That's several months away, maybe even a year or more :)
Damn, so many things to buy yet so little money :(
Post by: Glenmael on Thu, 12 November 2015, 05:49:06
Will this set ever be offered again or is it a 1 time deal?
If there's enough demand I will offer it again, but it won't be anytime soon. There are plenty of other SA sets in the works, and I'll probably do an IC for the Unit 02 set before I consider running this again. That's several months away, maybe even a year or more :)
Damn, so many things to buy yet so little money :(
You and me both :')
Post by: Pwner on Thu, 12 November 2015, 05:49:51
Can't wait to see some real pictures.
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 12 November 2015, 06:17:17
Great work on this thesis and congrats on it's already good success!
Can't wait to see some real pictures.
Thank you! I hope my renders will look similar to the real ones. :))
By the way, I submitted a GB thread, so if it gets approved I might lock this thread, or a mod will. :thumb:
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Thu, 12 November 2015, 06:34:46
Will this set ever be offered again or is it a 1 time deal?
If there's enough demand I will offer it again, but it won't be anytime soon. There are plenty of other SA sets in the works, and I'll probably do an IC for the Unit 02 set before I consider running this again. That's several months away, maybe even a year or more :)
I wonder if its possible to have it appear on PMK continuously, even though you did it through massdrop. Might get a small royalty to boot.
Post by: thesiscamper on Thu, 12 November 2015, 06:40:09
Will this set ever be offered again or is it a 1 time deal?
If there's enough demand I will offer it again, but it won't be anytime soon. There are plenty of other SA sets in the works, and I'll probably do an IC for the Unit 02 set before I consider running this again. That's several months away, maybe even a year or more :)
I wonder if its possible to have it appear on PMK continuously, even though you did it through massdrop. Might get a small royalty to boot.
Is that how PMK works now? Most of the sets there are out of stock, and I think the ones in stock are just left overs from earlier runs, I can't be sure though, but I will consider that when we have a better idea how their new site works.
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 12 November 2015, 07:14:18
Will this set ever be offered again or is it a 1 time deal?
If there's enough demand I will offer it again, but it won't be anytime soon. There are plenty of other SA sets in the works, and I'll probably do an IC for the Unit 02 set before I consider running this again. That's several months away, maybe even a year or more :)
I wonder if its possible to have it appear on PMK continuously, even though you did it through massdrop. Might get a small royalty to boot.
Is that how PMK works now? Most of the sets there are out of stock, and I think the ones in stock are just left overs from earlier runs, I can't be sure though, but I will consider that when we have a better idea how their new site works.
I believe the new PMK plan it to try to keep most sets in stock
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Thu, 12 November 2015, 07:52:01
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Thu, 12 November 2015, 08:05:20
Will this set ever be offered again or is it a 1 time deal?
If there's enough demand I will offer it again, but it won't be anytime soon. There are plenty of other SA sets in the works, and I'll probably do an IC for the Unit 02 set before I consider running this again. That's several months away, maybe even a year or more :)
I wonder if its possible to have it appear on PMK continuously, even though you did it through massdrop. Might get a small royalty to boot.
Is that how PMK works now? Most of the sets there are out of stock, and I think the ones in stock are just left overs from earlier runs, I can't be sure though, but I will consider that when we have a better idea how their new site works.
It's how new sets on PMK work. The problem is they haven't added the feature to actually add anything yet.
Post by: JinDesu on Thu, 12 November 2015, 08:16:00
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 12 November 2015, 08:19:34
Here's to expecting more and MORE PEOPLE JOIN THIS GROUP BUY so we can al enjoy the lower price point and then we can all say "yep, there's another "troubled mind" sick ass keyboard on GH!
Post by: Waateva on Thu, 12 November 2015, 08:44:53
Will this set ever be offered again or is it a 1 time deal?
If there's enough demand I will offer it again, but it won't be anytime soon. There are plenty of other SA sets in the works, and I'll probably do an IC for the Unit 02 set before I consider running this again. That's several months away, maybe even a year or more :)
I wonder if its possible to have it appear on PMK continuously, even though you did it through massdrop. Might get a small royalty to boot.
Is that how PMK works now? Most of the sets there are out of stock, and I think the ones in stock are just left overs from earlier runs, I can't be sure though, but I will consider that when we have a better idea how their new site works.
I believe the new PMK plan it to try to keep most sets in stock
Now they just need to restock the Nuclear set and I'll be a happy camper! And yes, I do know that it was available again a couple weeks ago, but it sold out in like 20 minutes :(
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Thu, 12 November 2015, 10:02:30
Will this set ever be offered again or is it a 1 time deal?
If there's enough demand I will offer it again, but it won't be anytime soon. There are plenty of other SA sets in the works, and I'll probably do an IC for the Unit 02 set before I consider running this again. That's several months away, maybe even a year or more :)
I wonder if its possible to have it appear on PMK continuously, even though you did it through massdrop. Might get a small royalty to boot.
Is that how PMK works now? Most of the sets there are out of stock, and I think the ones in stock are just left overs from earlier runs, I can't be sure though, but I will consider that when we have a better idea how their new site works.
I believe the new PMK plan it to try to keep most sets in stock
Now they just need to restock the Nuclear set and I'll be a happy camper! And yes, I do know that it was available again a couple weeks ago, but it sold out in like 20 minutes :(
I know. I wanted to jump on it, but it went so fast. :(
Post by: Butter on Thu, 12 November 2015, 10:19:13
Post by: redbanshee on Thu, 12 November 2015, 10:22:58
WANT!
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 12 November 2015, 10:25:30
http://www.massdrop.community/mechkeys/troubled-minds/
the base set will drop to $71.99 when massdrop update the prices for today. I would assume some of the other sets should be due to drop as well such as numpad as 299 base sets have been sold.
Post by: rpeterclark on Thu, 12 November 2015, 10:28:31
According to here:
http://www.massdrop.community/mechkeys/troubled-minds/
the base set will drop to $71.99 when massdrop update the prices for today. I would assume some of the other sets should be due to drop as well such as numpad as 299 base sets have been sold.
That's 299 sets of any type, not just base sets.
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 12 November 2015, 11:11:28
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76967.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76967.0)