Mods, please delete this.
I'm trying to bid on it. ;)
Mods, please delete this.
I'm trying to bid on it. ;)
I don't think it works that way.
Ebay works hard to tell sellers to believe that desirable items will always find their proper prices in $0.01 start auctions.
lol, nice.
Wonder if I would've won it if this thread hadn't been made. :rolleyes:
lol, nice.
Wonder if I would've won it if this thread hadn't been made. :rolleyes:
I am quite surprised that it did not fetch at least $250, if not more, with the proper square badge on the right.True, but then agian, it got posted late, and it's untested and it's missing a few keys...
True, but then agian, it got posted late, and it's untested and it's missing a few keys...
Hope everybody had fun watching the drama!Lol way to make enemies with your first post!
1st post to gh, long time lurker, since I wasn't looking to purchase the board hopefully I gave somebody in the community a chance to. You don't see the grey boards that often, but when you see them in the wild you get the urge to buy or to share.
Wow, I didn't think it would go that high. I was gonna do a max bid of $100 but didn't bother as soon as I saw it was posted here.
I'm surprised no one has posted this one up yet: http://www.ebay.com/itm/271997909094?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
It just so happens to be the one I'm selling. :p
actually since i couldn't swipe this one up I might reconsider selling my beloved 1985 industrial...
Wow, I didn't think it would go that high. I was gonna do a max bid of $100 but didn't bother as soon as I saw it was posted here.Ah, but that's the other square badge industrial, the older 1388 with the Mandolin crystal. Yeah, that one's much more valuable as we all know 8) .
I'm surprised no one has posted this one up yet: http://www.ebay.com/itm/271997909094?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
It just so happens to be the one I'm selling. :p
actually since i couldn't swipe this one up I might reconsider selling my beloved 1985 industrial...
The cases aren't made out of grey plastic, they're painted grey. It's possible grey colouring detracts from the quality of the plastic. And I'm not sure Lexmark had the painting tooling in Lexington.Even easier for Unicomp to copy! I bet they have the resources to find out how the original coating was done or where it was outsourced to and bring these back or offer new cases for people that wanted to swap their m cases.
The cases aren't made out of grey plastic, they're painted grey. It's possible grey colouring detracts from the quality of the plastic. And I'm not sure Lexmark had the painting tooling in Lexington.
The cases aren't made out of grey plastic, they're painted grey.
I've seen pictures of ones where they are chipped ot scuffed; they're white beneath. So is mine.The cases aren't made out of grey plastic, they're painted grey.
Where did you hear that?
People sometimes try to pass off counterfeits with paint jobs, but you can always tell.
I've seen pictures of ones where they are chipped ot scuffed; they're white beneath. So is mine.The cases aren't made out of grey plastic, they're painted grey.
Where did you hear that?
People sometimes try to pass off counterfeits with paint jobs, but you can always tell.
Got pics of both sides of the controller? And the rest of the board for that matter...Yes I do, but I already posted them on GH and DT before so I'll link you to the topic instead :) . The discussion is more at home there than in Great Finds, anyway xD .
There's very few scuff marks on mine, but there's a noticeable one on the speaker grill
How about industrial gray instead?There's very few scuff marks on mine, but there's a noticeable one on the speaker grill
Color me flabbergasted.
I suspect that the early ones were painted and later ones are grey plastic. Didn't ETwentyNine post some pics of an early one with a broken lower case? I think that one was also white inside.
I found the post: http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/a-couple-of-model-m-s-i-m-curious-about-t5112.html
Specifically, this picShow Image(http://i1.minus.com/jy9lMsiBNyGiX.jpg)
Oh, I'm so sad I missed this auction. If only I could find a gray IBM, I wouldn't have to wash my hands before I used my keyboard. No matter what I'd been doing, I could sit right down and start typing without a thought for how grimy my fingers were. And since it was made for factory floors and auto garages, I'd be using it completely authentically. Such freedom from personal hygiene is certainly worth $200!
Okay, I'm being ironic. The only reason Industrial M's seem "rare" is because so incredibly many non-gray M's were made (like, 10 million?). It's only a relative kind of "rarity".
Reality check: Changing a keyboard's color does not change its intrinsic value. I think that anyone who's willing to pay $200 or more for a Model M just because it's gray must be (a.) suffering a kind of status-mad hysteria, or (b.) speculating on the hysterical people in (a.).
I may seem like a wet blanket—but to me, an M's value comes not from something as incidental as its color, but from its ingenious, enduring design.
My wife inherited a chrome Sunbeam toaster that works as well as it did in the '50s. It even lowers the bread for you and raises the toast when it's done. It's the Model M of toasters. Such things are impressive legacies from a time when people cared about quality as much as they cared about profits.
So IMHO, to claim a Model M is worth 4 or 5 times as much because it's gray instead of beige is to trivialize the greatness of all Model M's (and yes, regardless of how much more grime it can hide).
I can sit back and enjoy the Industrial Circus, but no way will I ever covet one of these drab, inflated p/n's. If someone wanted to give me one, I certainly wouldn't turn it down, any more than I'd turn down any fine MK. And I'd probably chuckle now and then over the bizarre esteem the keyboard-kollecting kommunity afforded it. So I guess it would have extra value to me—as a comedy device.
For me, and I assume most others who fall into the category of the "Industrial Circus", it's really not different than buying an expensive set of keycaps from, say, GMK for a Cherry MX board. It's worth it to me because I want to have my idea of the best IBM Model M experience, which is an early production model Industrial M. Your idea of the best IBM Model M experience might be different and that's just fine. I simply prefer the construction and typing experience of the earlier Model Ms in general, and I much prefer the color scheme of the Industrial M, so it becomes worth it to me to spend the premium on an early Model Industrial M. I would agree with you though; there's no other reason than that for anyone to buy one unless it's simply to put it in their collection as a display piece. You make a fair point about the inflated value of Industrials trivializing the greatness of the Model M design, but I would argue that the fact that certain Model M variants can fetch $200+ only heightens their greatness.
For me, and I assume most others who fall into the category of the "Industrial Circus", it's really not different than buying an expensive set of keycaps from, say, GMK for a Cherry MX board. It's worth it to me because I want to have my idea of the best IBM Model M experience, which is an early production model Industrial M. Your idea of the best IBM Model M experience might be different and that's just fine. I simply prefer the construction and typing experience of the earlier Model Ms in general, and I much prefer the color scheme of the Industrial M, so it becomes worth it to me to spend the premium on an early Model Industrial M. I would agree with you though; there's no other reason than that for anyone to buy one unless it's simply to put it in their collection as a display piece. You make a fair point about the inflated value of Industrials trivializing the greatness of the Model M design, but I would argue that the fact that certain Model M variants can fetch $200+ only heightens their greatness.
Then why are you selling it?
Then why are you selling it?For sale link?
For me, and I assume most others who fall into the category of the "Industrial Circus", it's really not different than buying an expensive set of keycaps from, say, GMK for a Cherry MX board. It's worth it to me because I want to have my idea of the best IBM Model M experience, which is an early production model Industrial M. Your idea of the best IBM Model M experience might be different and that's just fine. I simply prefer the construction and typing experience of the earlier Model Ms in general, and I much prefer the color scheme of the Industrial M, so it becomes worth it to me to spend the premium on an early Model Industrial M. I would agree with you though; there's no other reason than that for anyone to buy one unless it's simply to put it in their collection as a display piece. You make a fair point about the inflated value of Industrials trivializing the greatness of the Model M design, but I would argue that the fact that certain Model M variants can fetch $200+ only heightens their greatness.
Then why are you selling it?
I need a new car more than my Industrial M atm. :'(
I need a new car more than my Industrial M atm. :'(
Great! I need a new car too!I could help you guys find a good car in exhcange for a well-priced M industrial. I'm serious. I've bought cars all over the US and am really good at making sure it's not a lemon. :thumb:
Oh, I'm so sad I missed this auction. If only I could find a gray IBM, I wouldn't have to wash my hands before I used my keyboard. No matter what I'd been doing, I could sit right down and start typing without a thought for how grimy my fingers were. And since it was made for factory floors and auto garages, I'd be using it completely authentically. Such freedom from personal hygiene is certainly worth $200!
Okay, I'm being ironic. The only reason Industrial M's seem "rare" is because so incredibly many non-gray M's were made (like, 10 million?). It's only a relative kind of "rarity".
Reality check: Changing a keyboard's color does not change its intrinsic value. I think that anyone who's willing to pay $200 or more for a Model M just because it's gray must be (a.) suffering a kind of status-mad hysteria, or (b.) speculating on the hysterical people in (a.).
I may seem like a wet blanket—but to me, an M's value comes not from something as incidental as its color, but from its ingenious, enduring design.
My wife inherited a chrome Sunbeam toaster that works as well as it did in the '50s. It even lowers the bread for you and raises the toast when it's done. It's the Model M of toasters. Such things are impressive legacies from a time when people cared about quality as much as they cared about profits.
So IMHO, to claim a Model M is worth 4 or 5 times as much because it's gray instead of beige is to trivialize the greatness of all Model M's (and yes, regardless of how much more grime it can hide).
I can sit back and enjoy the Industrial Circus, but no way will I ever covet one of these drab, inflated p/n's. If someone wanted to give me one, I certainly wouldn't turn it down, any more than I'd turn down any fine MK. And I'd probably chuckle now and then over the bizarre esteem the keyboard-kollecting kommunity afforded it. So I guess it would have extra value to me—as a comedy device.
For me, and I assume most others who fall into the category of the "Industrial Circus", it's really not different than buying an expensive set of keycaps from, say, GMK for a Cherry MX board. It's worth it to me because I want to have my idea of the best IBM Model M experience, which is an early production model Industrial M. Your idea of the best IBM Model M experience might be different and that's just fine. I simply prefer the construction and typing experience of the earlier Model Ms in general, and I much prefer the color scheme of the Industrial M, so it becomes worth it to me to spend the premium on an early Model Industrial M. I would agree with you though; there's no other reason than that for anyone to buy one unless it's simply to put it in their collection as a display piece. You make a fair point about the inflated value of Industrials trivializing the greatness of the Model M design, but I would argue that the fact that certain Model M variants can fetch $200+ only heightens their greatness.
That's mine. And it's the only other painted industrial I've ever seen apart from chyros's. It is not standard for industrials to be painted.
I just think it's hilarious that people are willing to pay so much more dough for one of these simply because of its color...Knowing IBM, it was definitely more than just color--these were designed for a harsher environment than a regular M. So while there are changes that won't matter for a daily driver, I'm sure they do have some guts that make them beyond a regular M.
I thought they were made with heavier gauge steel inside, among some other differences.
That doesn't happen anymore. The average millennial stays with a company for 18 months before taking a job elsewhere. But can you blame them? With no pension plan and with employers cold-bloodedly laying people off, there's no reward for loyalty anymore.I thought they were made with heavier gauge steel inside, among some other differences.
Why do you think they were called "Industrial IBM" because they were frequently used in factories of all sorts.
There was once some ancient IBMs at our old Gold sorting facility until the company swapped them over for membrane garbage, that was water proof. The older IBMs were waterlogged due to the water cleaning pressure sprays, used to sort certain sizes of loads, when it entered the skips for manual sorting.
Everything now is computerized hence manual sorting, has now passed into history. Goes to show how long I've worked at the same place for decades.
It's no wonder keyboards are being made cheaper and cheaper. Why build them to last if the people typing on them don't last?Sad but true.
I thought they were made with heavier gauge steel inside, among some other differences.
It hides dirt and grass stains well.I hope no one is having to worry about grass stains when using a keyboard--that's an odd job for sure!