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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: Freyth on Fri, 30 October 2009, 09:15:03
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Alright, so I already have the Model M and the Filco and the HHKB. But I'd like to know what other keyboards out there are worth getting, maybe not at an exorbitant price like an M15 but something within a reasonable range like ~$200 or below.
I'm starting to grow bored of the 3 keyboards. Don't get me wrong, they are great, solid keyboards but I need some variation in my keyboard arsenal and I'm looking for some good/ great keyboards to add to my collection.
Hope you guys here can entertain me with more than a couple of suggestions. Thanks in advance!
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Get a Model F AT.
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I'm kind of confused, what exactly are you looking for. If you just want suggestions with no spec's than a good place to go would be the review section and see what boards are favorites or have unique features.
You have been a member for over a year and a half, and there have been hundreds of boards discussed since you joined. Something over that span of time must have caught your attention. Go with your interests and share with the group when you find something unique. You have a good base, from here is should just be choosing layouts and features.
Have fun with your collection, and let us know when you find something.
Later........
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It doesn't look like you have any ALPS 'boards (assuming your Filco is Cherry-based), so you might want to check one out. Find a Northgate if you want a quality one, or a Dell AT-101W for an inexpensive model.
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within a reasonable range like ~$200 or below.
Sorry, but if you pay $200 for a keyboard you've got issues. Especially when you have plenty of other perfectly fine keyboards.
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Sorry, but if you pay $200 for a keyboard you've got issues.
There are a lot of people on this forum that need help.
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Nope. I made the computer screen turn blue a few times yesterday, but that's not a problem!
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Knock on wood, but I have not a single BSOD since moving to Windows 7. Any driver crashes are handled by the OS, and Windows will restart the driver, as well.
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Sorry, but if you pay $200 for a keyboard you've got issues. Especially when you have plenty of other perfectly fine keyboards.
It's funny how people think Webwit is the biggest troll on the forum. At least Webwit has intelligent points hidden within the vitriol.
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It's funny how people think Webwit is the biggest troll on the forum. At least Webwit has intelligent points hidden within the vitriol.
This, and he's probably got the most invested in keyboards on the entire forum. He's also got the most exotic collection here.
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Sorry, but if you pay $200 for a keyboard you've got issues. Especially when you have plenty of other perfectly fine keyboards.
I have issues and I don't want to fix them..
You may have issues for NOT spending $200 on a keyboard =]..
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I'd just not feel right if my keyboard was worth more than my computer.
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I'd just not feel right if my keyboard was worth more than my computer.
How do I explain this...
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I'd just not feel right if my keyboard was worth more than my computer.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Ditto...
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Now I feel bad, if you were close by, geographically speaking, I would give a PC, I really mean that. =]
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Wow....
I may have been a member for over a year and a half but really I was only reading the forums for about 3 months or so and that was when the forum was at its infant stage - so not many keyboards then for me to look out for. And I have tried looking through many threads here that seem to ramble on about a keyboard of different variations and honestly, it is kind of confusing - considering the number of keyboards + the number of variations they have.
I came here seeking suggestions on good keyboards, if I didn't lay down the 'specs' that I wanted then naturally seeing that I'm a "seasoned" member I wouldn't mind any suggestions at all.
And really? I thought you guys were keyboard enthusiasts and spending a considerable amount of money on a keyboard would be "okay". Guess I was wrong... about you guys being enthusiasts. But honestly, however much I wanted to spend on a keyboard is no damn business of yours and your judgement was unwarranted as is the sarcasm in this thread. If you can't bear to spend however much other people are willing to spend on a keyboard, why deprive others of the pleasure?
I thought this forum was meant for keyboard enthusiasts to gather and to discuss anything related to keyboards together with a friendly atmosphere. Perhaps that was true in the beginning but I can't see that now - the place is just filled with so much hostility. I certainly won't be coming back here often to this forum as it seems that there is no reason for me in doing so as I'm sure you would agree.
Thanks, though, to those who have given me a couple of keyboards for my consideration.
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You shouldn't take comments here too seriously - there is a lot of friendly ribbing going on. Rest assured the vast majority of people here have spent more on keyboards than most other people would consider sane.
It would help us make suggestions if we knew what you have and what you spend time doing (gaming or whatever.) Which Filco do you have? If you haven't tried boards with brown and blue Cherry switches, they would be an obvious next thing to try.
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Wow....
I may have been a member for over a year and a half but really I was only reading the forums for about 3 months or so and that was when the forum was at its infant stage - so not many keyboards then for me to look out for. And I have tried looking through many threads here that seem to ramble on about a keyboard of different variations and honestly, it is kind of confusing - considering the number of keyboards + the number of variations they have.
I came here seeking suggestions on good keyboards, if I didn't lay down the 'specs' that I wanted then naturally seeing that I'm a "seasoned" member I wouldn't mind any suggestions at all.
And really? I thought you guys were keyboard enthusiasts and spending a considerable amount of money on a keyboard would be "okay". Guess I was wrong... about you guys being enthusiasts. But honestly, however much I wanted to spend on a keyboard is no damn business of yours and your judgement was unwarranted as is the sarcasm in this thread. If you can't bear to spend however much other people are willing to spend on a keyboard, why deprive others of the pleasure?
I thought this forum was meant for keyboard enthusiasts to gather and to discuss anything related to keyboards together with a friendly atmosphere. Perhaps that was true in the beginning but I can't see that now - the place is just filled with so much hostility. I certainly won't be coming back here often to this forum as it seems that there is no reason for me in doing so as I'm sure you would agree.
Thanks, though, to those who have given me a couple of keyboards for my consideration.
I wouldn't tar everyone on the forum with the same brush, especially based on one person whose sole purpose in life appears to be the need to assert his smugness on the internet based on how **** his computers are.
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Get a Model F AT.
Having read the original post, I second this. Those things are anything but boring.
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I've heard that people like the feel of the Model F's. There's a lot on ebay for over $100, but if you want to get one, I'd wait. I've seen plenty go for much cheaper.
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I thought this forum was meant for keyboard enthusiasts to gather and to discuss anything related to keyboards together with a friendly atmosphere. Perhaps that was true in the beginning but I can't see that now -
seconding.... i actually agree with you. This isnt the same place it was one year ago. Sorry, but thats what I think. Just my opinion but at least I'm not alone in that impression. So I think you're absolutely right about that. I too dont think its for simple enthusiasts any more. I think we changed for good sometime this last summer. Both "structurally" and in terms of the activities of some of the leading members.
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Microsoft Windows is not da bomb. He is a major troll but sometimes I think he doesn't realize it.
really rippy? You sure mwindows too isnt simply being "outspoken" (as you put it)?
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Hey welly, I found the perfect switch (http://www.assistireland.ie/eng/Products_Directory/Computers/Hardware/Input_Devices/IntegraSwitch%C2%AE.shortcut.html) for you.
webwit, I cant figure out if this is "vitriol" or "intelligence" or being "outspoken". Can you help me out? Which is it?
anyone? bueller?
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Wow....
I may have been a member for over a year and a half but really I was only reading the forums for about 3 months or so and that was when the forum was at its infant stage - so not many keyboards then for me to look out for. And I have tried looking through many threads here that seem to ramble on about a keyboard of different variations and honestly, it is kind of confusing - considering the number of keyboards + the number of variations they have.
I came here seeking suggestions on good keyboards, if I didn't lay down the 'specs' that I wanted then naturally seeing that I'm a "seasoned" member I wouldn't mind any suggestions at all.
And really? I thought you guys were keyboard enthusiasts and spending a considerable amount of money on a keyboard would be "okay". Guess I was wrong... about you guys being enthusiasts. But honestly, however much I wanted to spend on a keyboard is no damn business of yours and your judgement was unwarranted as is the sarcasm in this thread. If you can't bear to spend however much other people are willing to spend on a keyboard, why deprive others of the pleasure?
I thought this forum was meant for keyboard enthusiasts to gather and to discuss anything related to keyboards together with a friendly atmosphere. Perhaps that was true in the beginning but I can't see that now - the place is just filled with so much hostility. I certainly won't be coming back here often to this forum as it seems that there is no reason for me in doing so as I'm sure you would agree.
Thanks, though, to those who have given me a couple of keyboards for my consideration.
Well being one of the big spenders here I understand where you are coming from. There are not many of us around here that are willing to pay $200+ for a keyboard.
As far as good keyboards go I think you have had a few suggestions worth following up on. But the real question is do you want more of what you have or something different.
In the category of more of the same:
Model M's - Depending on which one you have you may want to look at getting a Space saver, a M13 or a Model F AT if you can find one that is.
Topre Boards - All kinds of options here but most of them are out of your $200 price range:
87U, 87UBK55 (55g uniform keys), 103U(B), 101U ect..
Then you have the harder to find and maybe more expensive you could look at the µTRON or the MD01B0 (neat little board by the way)
Cherry boards - You have a Filco is it the blue or brown version? get the other version, Compaq MX11800 (nice board) and many other options
And something different:
Alps - You have not tried this one yet so depending on which of your current boards you like the best, click White Alps, no click Black Alps. For White Alps defiantly take a look at Northgate boards to see most if not all the Nothgate options take a look at northgate-keyboard-repair.com (http://www.northgate-keyboard-repair.com/) they are a little expensive but they are top notch. For Blacks the Dell or the ABS.
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I thought this forum was meant for keyboard enthusiasts to gather and to discuss anything related to keyboards together with a friendly atmosphere. Perhaps that was true in the beginning but I can't see that now - the place is just filled with so much hostility. I certainly won't be coming back here often to this forum as it seems that there is no reason for me in doing so as I'm sure you would agree.
seconding.... i actually agree with you. This isnt the same place it was one year ago. Sorry, but thats what I think. Just my opinion but at least I'm not alone in that impression. So I think you're absolutely right about that. I too dont think its for simple enthusiasts any more. I think we changed for good sometime this last summer. Both "structurally" and in terms of the activities of some of the leading members.
I hate to but I do agree with both of you. But I think there is still some redeeming value here as well.
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chloe was the true switch kitten. I wonder where she went off to.
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Actually, I think she did.
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Wow....
I may have been a member for over a year and a half but really I was only reading the forums for about 3 months or so and that was when the forum was at its infant stage - so not many keyboards then for me to look out for. And I have tried looking through many threads here that seem to ramble on about a keyboard of different variations and honestly, it is kind of confusing - considering the number of keyboards + the number of variations they have.
I came here seeking suggestions on good keyboards, if I didn't lay down the 'specs' that I wanted then naturally seeing that I'm a "seasoned" member I wouldn't mind any suggestions at all.
And really? I thought you guys were keyboard enthusiasts and spending a considerable amount of money on a keyboard would be "okay". Guess I was wrong... about you guys being enthusiasts. But honestly, however much I wanted to spend on a keyboard is no damn business of yours and your judgement was unwarranted as is the sarcasm in this thread. If you can't bear to spend however much other people are willing to spend on a keyboard, why deprive others of the pleasure?
I thought this forum was meant for keyboard enthusiasts to gather and to discuss anything related to keyboards together with a friendly atmosphere. Perhaps that was true in the beginning but I can't see that now - the place is just filled with so much hostility. I certainly won't be coming back here often to this forum as it seems that there is no reason for me in doing so as I'm sure you would agree.
Thanks, though, to those who have given me a couple of keyboards for my consideration.
Don't let the forum sway your thoughts on spending a good chunk of coin for keyboards. You got a lot of true blue old balky ALPS switch lovers, who wouldn't pay more than $30 for a mechanical. I've been here since March, and two months after signing up I bought a $250 keyboard. Four months after that, I bought another one, in white.
Unfortunately, in your situation, with an M, a Filco and an HHKB. You've probably touched all the best switches (unless your Filco is a FUKKA switch). It's tough to top your current collection. People had some good things to say about Model F's. Perhaps try finding an AEK II?
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Don't let the forum sway your thoughts on spending a good chunk of coin for keyboards.
I'll admit that I'm sufficiently content with the good old Model M to be disinclined to chase after Topre because it might be slightly better. (But that Japanese keyboard with cupped keys and a Topre membrane turned me slightly envious, especially after I figured out how one could deal with the layout of such a keyboard.)
But I'm learning many interesting things here, and may attempt to produce something of merit through a keyboard mod someday in the future.
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I hate to but I do agree with both of you. But I think there is still some redeeming value here as well.
Things have certainly taken a nosedive in the past while, but I'd like to think that trend would be reversed one way or another.
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webwit, I cant figure out if this is "vitriol" or "intelligence" or being "outspoken". Can you help me out? Which is it?
anyone? bueller?
: ) life is like a box of webwit. you never know what you are going to get.
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For me, I've been more interested in finding the best of what I can get. By no means can I afford a $200 keyboard. But it's always good to know about these things because it can be quite surprising what other people get rid of. Before I started posting here, I never knew how good those clunky old Dell keyboards actually were.
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: ) life is like a box of webwit. you never know what you are going to get.
That is nothing short of classic.
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I'll admit that I'm sufficiently content with the good old Model M to be disinclined to chase after Topre because it might be slightly better. (But that Japanese keyboard with cupped keys and a Topre membrane turned me slightly envious, especially after I figured out how one could deal with the layout of such a keyboard.)
But I'm learning many interesting things here, and may attempt to produce something of merit through a keyboard mod someday in the future.
That depends on what you mean by sufficiently content. The topres are very nice, I had an HHKB for awhile. But I like the BS better. Am using a fukka now but really, the BS keyboards are in a class by themselves.
Sometimes you don't really appreciate what you have, its that other one you don't have that gnaws at you. ( I am well acquainted with the gnawing )
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I'll admit that I'm sufficiently content with the good old Model M to be disinclined to chase after Topre because it might be slightly better. (But that Japanese keyboard with cupped keys and a Topre membrane turned me slightly envious, especially after I figured out how one could deal with the layout of such a keyboard.)
But I'm learning many interesting things here, and may attempt to produce something of merit through a keyboard mod someday in the future.
I'm assuming you mean this board:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5502&stc=1&d=1257061090)
And not to nitpick but the Topre's do not have a membrane in them. But yea that board is nice. I really need to take some time and do a good review of it. But what is really cool is that the keys will fit on a current model Topre like the 87U.
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Anyone who's been actually reading geekhack posts for a year knows the banter is lighthearted, not meant to knock the chips off anyone's shoulder. Without a curmudgeon answering my questions, I'd think this was a kiss-ass high school forum.
If it wasn't for the personalities behind the tech, I'd have left and never come back. How much keyboard physics/engineering can one give without expressing an opinion? Not bloody much. How much can we take without needing an opinion? Same answer. Without a real world opinion, none of the numbers mean jack.
There's the URL bar at the top of the browser. Anyone who doesn't like this site can type something to go to another. YMMV. Mine does. Grumble.
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Anyone who's been actually reading geekhack posts for a year knows the banter is lighthearted, not meant to knock the chips off anyone's shoulder. Without a curmudgeon answering my questions, I'd think this was a kiss-ass high school forum.
If it wasn't for the personalities behind the tech, I'd have left and never come back. How much keyboard physics/engineering can one give without expressing an opinion? Not bloody much. How much can we take without needing an opinion? Same answer. Without a real world opinion, none of the numbers mean jack.
There's the URL bar at the top of the browser. Anyone who doesn't like this site can type something to go to another. YMMV. Mine does. Grumble.
By the way, great quote.
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I don't really see what's changed, fundamentally, since a year and a half ago. We, obviously, have new members which changes the personality a lot. We still look for the best keyboards and share what we find. Personally, I think the forum was more liberal, so to speak, in it's infancy when we were all still trying to figure it all out, so maybe that's been a difference. I think any changes we have seen here has just been a natural evolution as our membership grows. More varied opinions and more mindshare is just going to change that.
I hope that as we get "smarter," we maintain our family-like relationship. Personally, I still try to give first-hand assistance to members even if I have heard the same question 384 times (how many "Can you recommend me a new keyboard?" threads have we had). I am proud that we don't have the "search for it" attitude, and when we do point someone elsewhere, we provide the direct link to the wiki article, post, etc. to make sure people feel welcome and show that we here to help. I mean, I'll always be a jack-ass, but it's all in fun and games and I really enjoy seeing new members get involved and contribute.
We miss you Chloe and Sandy. Come back soon.
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Especially the "always a jack-ass" part.
I figured I would include something everyone could support.
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Ms. Keyboard posts?
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Still don't see how someone can get pissed off at posts like Ms. Keyboard's. Those hands are so sexy.
Now my posts and yours. That's a different matter. Lacking in taste I'd say.
Ms. Keyboard posts?
I keed!
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Now, now..... We have like one female Geekhacker here and she might not like being called a switch kitten.
She adopted that as her title (before you could change it yourself). Another member did come up with it, though (not me, I'm not that clever).
Plus I get the feeling her BF or husband slices smartasses with katanas and then shoots them for good measure.
I would bet on it. I do the same for my GF. I like baseball bats, though.
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I am sorry if this sudden change in topic is my fault, but I did not actually think my post would cause this kind of discussion. I was not being sarcastic when I commented on asking for more information, but instead I was trying to get away from a generic question to a more specific one. Looking through the posts does not take long to come up with a thread of the same topic, maybe just a couple of weeks older information.
I am one of the newest members, and everyone here has been helpful, and I am truly sorry if my presence has caused a "change" in the flow of topics and discussions, but that was never my intention. I guess no more heavy doses of caffeine before chiming in on questions.
I have noticed that there seems to be some discontent amongst members recently, and I would like to think that this is "mostly" fun and jest. I will do my best to keep any form of bullying or sarcasm out of my posts so that this does not originate with me in the future.
Now with that all said, can't we all share a margarita and group hug? First round is on me!
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I don't think your post caused any problems. I think there are some other members who are more "opinionated" on certain topics and state those opinions as facts or in some other negative connotation which, as always, stirs up emotions. Opinions are always good as they can provide different perspectives on a particular subject, but occasionally, they have started some pretty unecessary arguments, flame-wars, etc.
I'll get the second round of margaritas (that sounds good right now).
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Don't apologize. It's all ItlnStln's fault.
Just doing what I do best. Start some **** on a Friday and see how it all shakes out Monday morning.
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On the rocks, just the way I like them......Thanks!
Don't worry about the flower and straws, at least it did not have an umbrella.
Later......
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Nice pic of a Margarita, the colour looks very similar to the liquid in my IBM mug, and your drink probably taste much better than my amber nectar. :tea:
I try to get out more, but I'm afraid my trembling knees might give way. My slow fingers are having problems typing atm too
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Nice pic of a Margarita, the colour looks very similar to the liquid in my IBM mug, and your drink probably taste much better than my amber nectar. :tea:
I try to get out more, but I'm afraid my trembling knees might give way. My slow fingers are having problems typing atm too
Drink enough of those margaritas, and you'll be filling up that IBM mug for sure.
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Wish I was young enough to have one of these Margaritas (http://www.facebook.com/pages/margarita-g/95405751339), but since I am old, I'll just cuddle this Model (http://www.dansdata.com/images/clicky2/spacesaver1280.jpg) in bed to keep warm instead, I wish, the 'board not the broad. :redface:
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Dude, you know that cat on the left is shaggin' all three of those chicks...
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Dude, you know that cat on the left is shaggin' all three of those chicks...
A little booze, a little BINGO, a little booty. Good times.
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Sorry, but if you pay $200 for a keyboard you've got issues. Especially when you have plenty of other perfectly fine keyboards.
Many of us who post here, on a website devoted, strangely enough, to KEYBOARDS, have spent $200 and more for some of the keyboards in our collections. We already know we have issues which is why we can all relate.
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I hang out on car forums where I tell people I really love vintage cars, but repeatedly remind everyone that I'd never spend more than $200 on a car and I only buy from scrap yards. And anyone else has issues. Also I drive a Dodge.
Well put. Dare I say, even witty :)
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Sorry, but if you pay $200 for a keyboard you've got issues. Especially when you have plenty of other perfectly fine keyboards.
On second thought, you are right. But anyone who voluntarily chooses the name Microsoft Windows and who uses the Windows box as an avatar probably has bigger issues than the rest of us.
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On second thought, you are right. But anyone who voluntarily chooses the name Microsoft Windows and who uses the Windows box as an avatar probably has bigger issues than the rest of us.
I like Windows.
It's a vital part of my favourite PC metaphor:
A computer is just a $1200 Playskool Busy Box for adults.
It doesn't do anything practical, but makes noises and has a lot of knobs and doodads to fiddle with.
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On second thought, you are right. But anyone who voluntarily chooses the name Microsoft Windows and who uses the Windows box as an avatar probably has bigger issues than the rest of us.
How does being a Windows user give you more issues than spending hundreds of dollars on a computer keyboard?
People can buy what they want with their own money, but computer keyboards only cost so much to produce. Just about none of the keyboards people talk about here cost even $50 to produce. So why do people pay hundreds of dollars for them? The manufacturers are charging outrageous prices.
Personally, I always like to look for the used/refurbished models for many things. They're a lot cheaper and are basically the same thing in the same condition (not if used; many used things may have dings and/or scratches). If the feel of a keyboard is what's the most important, then a few scratches shouldn't matter too much.
I personally can't afford to spend that much on computer keyboards, but I know of many other things that money can get.
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How does typing on a $200 keyboard give you issues?
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People can buy what they want with their own money, but computer keyboards only cost so much to produce. Just about none of the keyboards people talk about here cost even $50 to produce. So why do people pay hundreds of dollars for them? The manufacturers are charging outrageous prices.
Marketing and selling a product costs money too. Then there is profit which for some reason you expect to be close to zero.
Personally, I always like to look for the used/refurbished models for many things. They're a lot cheaper and are basically the same thing in the same condition (not if used; many used things may have dings and/or scratches).
If everybody did that there would be no used things.
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Just about none of the keyboards people talk about here cost even $50 to produce. So why do people pay hundreds of dollars for them?
Welcome to how the world works. Oh by the way, that logic also applies to everything else, like food for example. I suggest you stick it to the man and only eat food that is at least 15 years old. Refurbished food is also good too.
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Oh by the way, that logic also applies to everything else, like food for example.
Or some well known operating system...
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Welcome to how the world works. Oh by the way, that logic also applies to everything else, like food for example. I suggest you stick it to the man and only eat food that is at least 15 years old. Refurbished food is also good too.
Computers aren't completely like food you know. They don't rot, they don't get moldy, nor do people cook them on their stoves.
However, I was simply putting forth a less costly alternative to buying expensive computer products. Purchasing refurbished and used models is a valid way to save a lot of money.
Computers have also changed now. In 2000, a 10-year-old computer would get you just about nowhere. That was because back then, especially in the 1990's, computer hardware went through significant advances. Software did too. New software needed new hardware. However, that has changed now.
Right now, I am typing this on a 15-year old keyboard and looking at a 17-year-old monitor, which is connected to a 9-year-old computer. If I had been doing that in 2000, I'd be using a computer from 1991, a keyboard from 1985, and a monitor from 1983. That set-up would probably not even work!
The reason behind people being able to get much more use out of their old computers is the fact that computers began to change around 2000. New software stopped needing new hardware. Hardware from about 2000 or later does just about everything the average computer user needs. Using a computer from 2000, I can communicate with people thousands of miles away in a second. I can type papers, perform calculations at the speed of light, and play most games. You couldn't do that a decade ago.
I've seen quite a few of you guys criticizing me because I do not have a new computer. But I don't do advanced picture editing. I'm not a gamer. I basically use e-mail, play Solitaire, talk on forums, and type things. So why would I need a new computer when mine does that perfectly well? If I can get something that works fine for free, I'm happy.
Before you trash that old computer, take a second look at it. Chances are it can live a new life if you simple update some components. The best way to recycle an old computer is to fix it up and find a use for it!
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you might want to look into the newer cell phones if that is all you expect from a computer
im all for doing things frugally, or at least considering money as part of the decision. and i wish that i could do the whole "live in a cave and experience everything 10 years late for 1% of the cost" thing, too...
but yeah, i enjoy new hardware
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There is a valid point to saving money by going the used route, but it can limit you. I'm all for it, but personally I couldn't do it with my main computer. (as i type this on a keyboard I found at work, the computer my parents handed me down this summer and a monitor that is at least 10 years old)
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I don't play games but I do encode XviD and I like to be able to scroll through image-heavy webpages without the system turning into a slideshow. I have newer machines because waiting around for the machine to catch up with me is a tedious process.
Newer hardware can often be more energy efficient, too. I like the fact that sleep/hibernate actually works -- something that cannot be said for a machine made in 2000 running Windows 2000 or XP.
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Hibernation works fine in Windows 2000.
About power consumption:
Contrary to popular belief, older desktops actually consume much less electricity than newer ones. Mine has a 115-watt power supply. Any new desktop would have a 300+ watt power supply in order to power faster components.
Personally, I've never really noticed images being slow to load on web pages. I'd say that's more dependent on your internet speed than computer hardware.
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Contrary to popular belief, older desktops actually consume much less electricity than newer ones. Mine has a 115-watt power supply.
While I miss the days when CPUs didn't need fans, I do enjoy the luxury of things happening instantly on new PCs. 115W won't even power a decent video card today.
If you're willing to forego the speed of the latest systems you could build a quiet and low power modern machine with careful choices of components, and maybe underclocking.
Some aspects of old PCs are not great. Hard drives for example have improved enormously. I probably have some old 5.25" full-height drives knocking around that used more power than the PC I'm on right now.
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Ah, the uTron. Tempting indeed...
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That is a worthy keyboard. Antidote, indeed.
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There are many people dying of hunger through lack of resources. Those who are more fortunate to have more than enough cash to spend, that's their own business. Those who are comfortable with their old equipment and not wanting to boast about how much cash they have to waste is also their own business. We live in a Democracy :usa:, freedom of speech, free to keep up with the Jones etc etc etc. Everyone is born equal but some people are more equal than others, we should consider ourselves very lucky. If when my Time comes from the Calling of my Lord and Saviour, I would be going as everyone's equal. :angel:
:focus: But enough of all that..... I would like to know if there are any Model M's with Chinese layout ? That would be My Worthy Keyboard (more than likely not your choice) , I had always wanted one , this is what I seek and that's why I'm here.
Reason ? I is an old Oriental.
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Computers aren't completely like food you know. They don't rot, they don't get moldy
You obviously haven't seen some of the old PCs I have seen...
I've seen quite a few of you guys criticizing me because I do not have a new computer.
Woah, blatant misrepresentation of facts.
The problem that I (and several others by the looks of it) have is that most of your posts are to the effect of "I have an ancient PC, lol". Then when people are discussing what mouse/keyboard/miscellaneous hardware item to get, you barge in with stuff like "Just use an old two-button serial mouse" (in threads about trackballs usually) or "The Model M is the best keyboard ever because I pulled it out of skip". This stuff is just repetitive, and adds nothing to the quality of the discussion.
The culmination of this idiotic trend is when you insinuated that someone had 'issues' because they were prepared to spend up to $200 on a keyboard, and then you have to cheek to turn around and accuse us of not respecting your taste in hardware. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
The truth is that no one really cares what PC you run. If you can make a 10 year old system work for you, then that's great. But there's no need to rub it in everyone's face at every available opportunity and act like it makes you a better person.
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:focus: But enough of all that..... I would like to know if there are any Model M's with Chinese layout ? That would be My Worthy Keyboard (more than likely not your choice) , I had always wanted one , this is what I seek and that's why I'm here.
Reason ? I is an old Oriental.
The Japanese had their own special Buckling Spring board (5576-A01). Not sure about the Chinese. I have seen some Korean Model Ms though.
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The reason behind people being able to get much more use out of their old computers is the fact that computers began to change around 2000. New software stopped needing new hardware. Hardware from about 2000 or later does just about everything the average computer user needs. Using a computer from 2000, I can communicate with people thousands of miles away in a second. I can type papers, perform calculations at the speed of light, and play most games. You couldn't do that a decade ago.
while i actually agree with your basic premise- as long as all your doing is surfing the internet & basic word processing- your statement that u can 'play most games is ludicrous, unles youare talking about most games from 200 & even then i would have doubts. an above average computer back then needed a 300w psu. wich means your comp was probably below average. that translates into poor/very poor performance on just about everything nowdays.
if you are happy with very slow performance, poor iq( personally i think this is the area you are lossing the most in), good for you. im here to tell u it isnt much to be proud of, & getting on other people because they want out of the stone age is ridiculous.
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I was merely trying to say that we should be content as we are very fortunate in relation to others in this World (why else would I mention Hunger and Death ?), and criticism/belittling should not be given to others who opt for different priorities in equipment. If I seemed to be impertinent, I apologise. I had not intended to offend.
I will tell my Lord to judge me, there is nothing to hide (maybe a Keyboard or two behind my back) :ohwell:
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while i actually agree with your basic premise- as long as all your doing is surfing the internet & basic word processing- your statement that u can 'play most games is ludicrous, unles youare talking about most games from 200 & even then i would have doubts. an above average computer back then needed a 300w psu. wich means your comp was probably below average. that translates into poor/very poor performance on just about everything nowdays.
if you are happy with very slow performance, poor iq( personally i think this is the area you are lossing the most in), good for you. im here to tell u it isnt much to be proud of, & getting on other people because they want out of the stone age is ridiculous.
It depends on what definition of "game" you have. It varies to quite a degree. I'll tell you that there are plenty of games that would make my computers blow up, but there are also lots of simple online games.
An older computer can do things beyond basic work processing as well. You'll be surprised what Office 97 can do!
I'm not too proud of my computers. But I do just about the same stuff that many other people do on their brandy new computers, minus the nice-looking windows and "Start" menu.
By no means are older computers for everyone. Some people play more advanced games as a hobby. Some others like Photoshop. Some just want what's new. There's nothing wrong with that.
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This thread needs antidote.
Why is it every time I think I'm about to get over the desire to get that board you show up and post it all over the site? Now I have the fight the urge to just get it and be done with it all over again. Man I want one of those boards. I have my cupped Topre now I need one of those. Man you ruined my day.
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the "well what about other people" thing is a flawed argument. how could you EVER not feel guilty buying a car over $1000 (if you even need it in the first place)? ramen noodles will sustain life. etc etc etc. think of all the politicians that spend thousands just on LUNCH. it is hopeless to try to say that one style of living is selfish because there is another that is not as nice.
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:focus: But enough of all that..... I would like to know if there are any Model M's with Chinese layout ? That would be My Worthy Keyboard (more than likely not your choice) , I had always wanted one , this is what I seek and that's why I'm here.
Reason ? I is an old Oriental.
Do you mean one like this attachment?
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That pic would suggest J888www could get a "regular" Model M and just replace the keycaps (if he can find them).
Thanks for stopping by, Sandy.
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Do you mean one like this attachment?
Yea I see those on Yahoo Japan every now and then and keep thinking I should get one.
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Tyvm Sandy. Just had a thought, maybe I'm searching sites from the wrong country. Took me this long to think of it , only realised after reading QUOTE "Yea I see those on Yahoo Japan every now and then and keep thinking I should get one" , maybe more luck with searching Taiwan or HK sites.
Edit: Found layout (http://www.gcishopping.com/images/chinese-keyboard-black-usb_l.jpg), but not the type of keyboard, maybe still hope