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Title: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: Bromono on Wed, 14 October 2015, 20:11:55
As this guy playing moonlight sonata on his pressure sensitive RealForce.

Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: jerue on Wed, 14 October 2015, 20:34:29
I will never be as cool as this guy with a pressure sensitive Realforce, forget the Sonata :P
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: Melvang on Wed, 14 October 2015, 20:49:09
That was pretty bad ass
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 14 October 2015, 20:52:26
What's next to the RF almost looks like a Ducky.
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: Melvang on Wed, 14 October 2015, 20:58:45
Would it be possible to do something like this with a Wacom?
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 14 October 2015, 20:59:27
Brb, burning all my keyboards. My collection is a lie.
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 14 October 2015, 21:05:19

Brb, burning all my keyboards. My collection is a lie.

You were wrong all along. Topre is love. Topre is life.
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 14 October 2015, 21:08:01
Chill fam
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 14 October 2015, 22:49:28
Well, it would be on a Realforce now wouldn't it.
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: Coreda on Wed, 14 October 2015, 23:02:32
This is a pressure based switch or just the regular Realforce? Doesn't sound much different than regular MIDI controllers.
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 15 October 2015, 04:39:21
Would it be possible to do something like this with a Wacom?

Nope, Wacom uses a single stylus / pressure device. A pressure sensitive capacitive multitouch trackpad could work, though, like this thing: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1152958674/the-sensel-morph-interaction-evolved

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74955.0

But you're better off buying a nice Roland midi controller keyboard. Right tool for the job works best every time.
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 15 October 2015, 06:40:00
Would it be possible to do something like this with a Wacom?

Nope, Wacom uses a single stylus / pressure device. A pressure sensitive capacitive multitouch trackpad could work, though, like this thing: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1152958674/the-sensel-morph-interaction-evolved

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74955.0

But you're better off buying a nice Roland midi controller keyboard. Right tool for the job works best every time.

I agree..

I've tried to play fur elise on a qwerty mapped with piano keys before,   while it will work.. and I could imagine pressure sensitivity working also.

It's was very difficult to get into the proper rhythm because the spacing is some ways at odds with the pacing of the music..


That' isn't to say it's IMPOSSIBLE,   just not yet practical.
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 15 October 2015, 06:48:52
What's next to the RF almost looks like a Ducky.

Thats the new backlit type heaven, I believe it will have clear mx compatible topre stems.
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 15 October 2015, 06:49:53
What's next to the RF almost looks like a Ducky.

Thats the new backlit type heaven, I believe it will have clear mx compatible topre stems.
Will it be cheaper than a Novatouch? Hmmmmm.
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: osi on Thu, 15 October 2015, 07:04:13
Chill fam

Breh
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: Bromono on Thu, 15 October 2015, 16:51:18
This is a pressure based switch or just the regular Realforce? Doesn't sound much different than regular MIDI controllers.

It is pressure based. It's new from Topre.

Just saw an article and saw the video and thought it was neat

Source: http://techreport.com/news/28415/topre-latest-keyboards-are-colorful-sensitive-to-pressure
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 15 October 2015, 17:06:24
This is a pressure based switch or just the regular Realforce? Doesn't sound much different than regular MIDI controllers.

It is pressure based. It's new from Topre.

Just saw an article and saw the video and thought it was neat

Source: http://techreport.com/news/28415/topre-latest-keyboards-are-colorful-sensitive-to-pressure

Isn't Topre an analog input (the switch triggers at a specific capacitance)?  Seems to me like you could make it "pressure sensitive" by reading the capacitance as a function of time and having faster inputs register as "higher pressure".  Which wouldn't require any new hardware, just a new controller.

But I dunno.  :))
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: njbair on Thu, 15 October 2015, 17:24:09
This is a pressure based switch or just the regular Realforce? Doesn't sound much different than regular MIDI controllers.

It is pressure based. It's new from Topre.

Just saw an article and saw the video and thought it was neat

Source: http://techreport.com/news/28415/topre-latest-keyboards-are-colorful-sensitive-to-pressure

Isn't Topre an analog input (the switch triggers at a specific capacitance)?  Seems to me like you could make it "pressure sensitive" by reading the capacitance as a function of time and having faster inputs register as "higher pressure".  Which wouldn't require any new hardware, just a new controller.

But I dunno.  :))
What we're all calling "pressure" is actually velocity, as it relates to the piano (and the MIDI standard). I can very slowly depress a piano key and keep going until I'm applying significant pressure, but the note will be quiet because it was played with a low velocity.

So while pressure is not a function of time, velocity absolutely is, and that's what we're really talking about here
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 15 October 2015, 17:32:25
This is a pressure based switch or just the regular Realforce? Doesn't sound much different than regular MIDI controllers.

It is pressure based. It's new from Topre.

Just saw an article and saw the video and thought it was neat

Source: http://techreport.com/news/28415/topre-latest-keyboards-are-colorful-sensitive-to-pressure

Isn't Topre an analog input (the switch triggers at a specific capacitance)?  Seems to me like you could make it "pressure sensitive" by reading the capacitance as a function of time and having faster inputs register as "higher pressure".  Which wouldn't require any new hardware, just a new controller.

But I dunno.  :))
What we're all calling "pressure" is actually velocity, as it relates to the piano (and the MIDI standard). I can very slowly depress a piano key and keep going until I'm applying significant pressure, but the note will be quiet because it was played with a low velocity.

So while pressure is not a function of time, velocity absolutely is, and that's what we're really talking about here

Well yes.  But my point was that, unlike an MX switch which is a discrete input, the Topre switch should be an analog continuous input so it's actually possible.  :thumb:

Good point about pressure vs speed on the piano, I was goofing that one up in my mind.  Aren't those MIDI pads pressure sensitive (tangential curiosity)?
Title: Re: You will never be as cool as this guy
Post by: njbair on Thu, 15 October 2015, 17:43:33
This is a pressure based switch or just the regular Realforce? Doesn't sound much different than regular MIDI controllers.

It is pressure based. It's new from Topre.

Just saw an article and saw the video and thought it was neat

Source: http://techreport.com/news/28415/topre-latest-keyboards-are-colorful-sensitive-to-pressure

Isn't Topre an analog input (the switch triggers at a specific capacitance)?  Seems to me like you could make it "pressure sensitive" by reading the capacitance as a function of time and having faster inputs register as "higher pressure".  Which wouldn't require any new hardware, just a new controller.

But I dunno.  :))
What we're all calling "pressure" is actually velocity, as it relates to the piano (and the MIDI standard). I can very slowly depress a piano key and keep going until I'm applying significant pressure, but the note will be quiet because it was played with a low velocity.

So while pressure is not a function of time, velocity absolutely is, and that's what we're really talking about here

Well yes.  But my point was that, unlike an MX switch which is a discrete input, the Topre switch should be an analog continuous input so it's actually possible.  :thumb:

Good point about pressure vs speed on the piano, I was goofing that one up in my mind.  Aren't those MIDI pads pressure sensitive (tangential curiosity)?
Actually the MIDI spec calls it velocity, as a parameter of the NOTE ON instruction with a value between 0 and 127. This makes sense for most emulated instruments, but there are some oddball instruments that use it for different effects. AFAIK the MIDI spec doesn't actually specify how it's supposed to be used.