This popped up a few hours ago, and it should probably have it's own thread. :)I was hoping it was going to be cheaper but after seeing how intricate some of it looks the price dosnt seem too horrible I'd like to see what the price drop at 100 units is :eek:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hhkb-cnc-aluminum-case
I hope they do a round two and refine the case a bit, the shape of it is somewhat more KMAC than HHKB.Knowing massdrop the price drop will be like $10 :P
I'd rather hold out for a round two than what it currently is, to be honest.
Maybe if the price drop at a 100 is large enough...
I wish it sloped from back to front, and had some chamfering or other finishing along the edges. Nevertheless, it is an impressive product and a good price point.
I wish it sloped from back to front, and had some chamfering or other finishing along the edges. Nevertheless, it is an impressive product and a good price point.
Exactly!
I hate boxy looking aluminium case, just like the Digilog case.
Digilog in person isn't that bad actually. I had one. I think this is more dramatic since it's smaller
Someone take one for the team and report back! :thumb:Livingspeedbump will surely post a review on the case once he gets it, I assume.
Someone take one for the team and report back! :thumb:Livingspeedbump will surely post a review on the case once he gets it, I assume.
Just curious, who thought this would be a good idea? :/Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016133937_661488d1888b45b7.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)
Needs more curves.
Someone take one for the team and report back! :thumb:Livingspeedbump will surely post a review on the case once he gets it, I assume.
Just curious, who thought this would be a good idea? :/Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016133937_661488d1888b45b7.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)
Needs more curves.
Been waiting on this forever, and now I'm just disappointed. It looks terrible and costs an arm and a leg.. I'm sure a few will sell since it's new, but I wanted one with the same shape as the stock case..
Been waiting on this forever, and now I'm just disappointed. It looks terrible and costs an arm and a leg.. I'm sure a few will sell since it's new, but I wanted one with the same shape as the stock case..
Pretty much everyone wants one in the shape of the stockcase!
Yeah! The angle made it one of my favorite keyboards. The cnc case looks like ass
Been waiting on this forever, and now I'm just disappointed. It looks terrible and costs an arm and a leg.. I'm sure a few will sell since it's new, but I wanted one with the same shape as the stock case..
Pretty much everyone wants one in the shape of the stockcase!
Someone take one for the team and report back! :thumb:Livingspeedbump will surely post a review on the case once he gets it, I assume.
Just curious, who thought this would be a good idea? :/Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016133937_661488d1888b45b7.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)
Needs more curves.
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ayyyyy a keyboard that doubles as a PC caseShow Image(https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/laugh.gif)
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jesus, it looks like someone could build a house with them. legit bricks of aluminum.
I'm wondering how it would be with a pair of typical feet like other flat aluminum cases have. you would surely have to use a wrist rest this thing too.
Someone take one for the team and report back! :thumb:Livingspeedbump will surely post a review on the case once he gets it, I assume.
Just curious, who thought this would be a good idea? :/Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016133937_661488d1888b45b7.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)
Needs more curves.
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Can't we just put some feet in the bottom to give it a curve?
I actualy really like the case.
Can't we just put some feet in the bottom to give it a curve?Massdrop> It [...] comes with feet to allow for a flat or a tilted profile.
I find this highly amusing that everyone was whining wanting a HHKB metal type case for aaaaaages only for one to be made one comes out and no-one wants to buy it, lol just lol
Okay let me rephrase that then;I find this highly amusing that everyone was whining wanting a HHKB metal type case for aaaaaages only for one to be made one comes out and no-one wants to buy it, lol just lol
I find it amusing that 10 people say it is ugly and you immediately lump them in with "everyone" and "no-one".
I find it amusing that you are "lol"ing.
Okay let me rephrase that then;I find this highly amusing that everyone was whining wanting a HHKB metal type case for aaaaaages only for one to be made one comes out and no-one wants to buy it, lol just lol
I find it amusing that 10 people say it is ugly and you immediately lump them in with "everyone" and "no-one".
I find it amusing that you are "lol"ing.
I find it funny that the ones who have been very vocal about wanting a metal HhKb case are now saying when one is avalible they don't want it and it's ugly.
^this makes me laugh what did you all expect for the first case? It's pretty impressive to see it
I restate my opinion of "lol" as I still am
it's very cool that it got made, but People won't buy something just because it's made, it actually has to look somewhere close to what people want, plus we haven't seen any reviews , typing tests, or anything else.Okay let me rephrase that then;I find this highly amusing that everyone was whining wanting a HHKB metal type case for aaaaaages only for one to be made one comes out and no-one wants to buy it, lol just lol
I find it amusing that 10 people say it is ugly and you immediately lump them in with "everyone" and "no-one".
I find it amusing that you are "lol"ing.
I find it funny that the ones who have been very vocal about wanting a metal HhKb case are now saying when one is avalible they don't want it and it's ugly.
^this makes me laugh what did you all expect for the first case? It's pretty impressive to see it
I restate my opinion of "lol" as I still am
Okay let me rephrase that then;I find this highly amusing that everyone was whining wanting a HHKB metal type case for aaaaaages only for one to be made one comes out and no-one wants to buy it, lol just lol
I find it amusing that 10 people say it is ugly and you immediately lump them in with "everyone" and "no-one".
I find it amusing that you are "lol"ing.
I find it funny that the ones who have been very vocal about wanting a metal HhKb case are now saying when one is avalible they don't want it and it's ugly.
^this makes me laugh what did you all expect for the first case? It's pretty impressive to see it
I restate my opinion of "lol" as I still am
I don't see your logic, honestly. Just because people want a type of thing doesn't mean they should want whatever thing that gets made. And this is actually a big deal because it likely kills any chance of us seeing a community-made case, something that actually would have feedback put into its design. I mean, it already killed mistakemistake's project so I'm not even theorizing in that regard.
Personally, I'll mull over this since the brick is ugly (even if you can slope it with feet, it's still really thick), the hub placement seems weird and I really don't want to drop $200 without knowing how it affects the typing experience. I don't like MD having rushed into this.
Is it safe to say it's a brick because that's the cheapest shape to have made?
Is it safe to say it's a brick because that's the cheapest shape to have made?I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but making an incline and shaving off and smoothing off the edges of the case really add a lot of cost?
Have there been shots of the inside?This is the best shots we got.
I'm curious how the internals are mounted that might shine some light on design choice
Is it safe to say it's a brick because that's the cheapest shape to have made?I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but making an incline and shaving off and smoothing off the edges of the case really add a lot of cost?
I wish it sloped from back to front, and had some chamfering or other finishing along the edges. Nevertheless, it is an impressive product and a good price point.
Exactly!
I hate boxy looking aluminium case, just like the Digilog case.
You would need more than 3-axis cnc machine to fully replicate the hhkb case. Designing the 3D model wouldn't be easy as well. Plus you would need thicker alu plate at the beginning to achieve those curves which easily adds more to the total costs of producing one.Is it safe to say it's a brick because that's the cheapest shape to have made?I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but making an incline and shaving off and smoothing off the edges of the case really add a lot of cost?
I'd be a bit warmer even if there was less of the extra girth on the edges, it looks off.
That's the thing though, if MD had worked with the community they could have been explaining what would happen if they were to go with a more HHKB-like design. Tell us about the pricing/production time differences and there could have been a vote or something. Maybe people would have been fine with increased price/production time, but we won't know now.
-snip-Its pretty impressive something like this has even been made as many interest checks for this and ideas have already failed in the past so that impresses me, I personally don't mind the look of it my opinion I just find it nice and am impressed a HHKB case HAS BEEN MADE, not theorised as all the others but actually made, that in its self is impressing no matter what anyone says.
Right on. And Air Tree, too.
How is this thing "pretty impressive", Fire Brand? What about it impresses you? Can you please stop your "lol"ing for two seconds and explain who EXACTLY has "been very vocal" about a metal case and shouldn't be unhappy that this thing is an abomination.
Or just post a pic of one of your toys. You can always fall back on that.
By the way the description says it comes with feet for a flat or tilted profile.
I quite like it. Actually I'd probably like a naked HHKB plastic case too :))
But I would prefer one in a similar shape to the conventional HHKB case - I have become too accustomed to mine as it is.
By the way the description says it comes with feet for a flat or tilted profile.
I quite like it. Actually I'd probably like a naked HHKB plastic case too :))
But I would prefer one in a similar shape to the conventional HHKB case - I have become too accustomed to mine as it is.
The funny thing is, if I bought this and transplanted a working HHKB into it, the first thing I'll do is hunt down all those mangina's in this thread and bash their fvcking heads in with my new keyboard brick. I would choose a RED colour to mask all the blood that will be covering it ;D .
By the way the description says it comes with feet for a flat or tilted profile.
I quite like it. Actually I'd probably like a naked HHKB plastic case too :))
But I would prefer one in a similar shape to the conventional HHKB case - I have become too accustomed to mine as it is.
The funny thing is, if I bought this and transplanted a working HHKB into it, the first thing I'll do is hunt down all those mangina's in this thread and bash their fvcking heads in with my new keyboard brick. I would choose a RED colour to mask all the blood that will be covering it ;D .
By the way the description says it comes with feet for a flat or tilted profile.
I quite like it. Actually I'd probably like a naked HHKB plastic case too :))
But I would prefer one in a similar shape to the conventional HHKB case - I have become too accustomed to mine as it is.
The funny thing is, if I bought this and transplanted a working HHKB into it, the first thing I'll do is hunt down all those mangina's in this thread and bash their fvcking heads in with my new keyboard brick. I would choose a RED colour to mask all the blood that will be covering it ;D .
I'd get the first shot in with my 4704 107-key. You don't stand a chance.
Keep your ugly HHKB case out of my house.
Here it is with the feet for a tilted surface:
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Lmao good one.
The case is ugly, what were they thinking?
The case is ugly, what were they thinking?
Maybe that buyers are blind.
Blasphemy! How dare you insult HHKB, the mother of all keyboards, you, you, you Cherry peasant, you! :PThe case is ugly, what were they thinking?
Maybe that buyers are blind.
Maybe the more appropriate question would be that the HHKB design is so disgusting to look at, no matter what casing it resides in.
It's more like a remote control layout rather than being a REAL keyboard at all. Yet the suckers who bought the original HHKB seem bereft of any sense of reality, when handing over $300+ for an all plastic joke keyboard for dummies.
Glad I kept using an authentic keyboard layout rather than some foolish arrangement for 'special people' :-* .
The case is ugly, what were they thinking?
Maybe that buyers are blind.
Maybe the more appropriate question would be that the HHKB design is so disgusting to look at, no matter what casing it resides in.
It's more like a remote control layout rather than being a REAL keyboard at all. Yet the suckers who bought the original HHKB seem bereft of any sense of reality, when handing over $300+ for an all plastic joke keyboard for dummies.
Glad I kept using an authentic keyboard layout rather than some foolish arrangement for 'special people' :-* .
some dirty convicts just can't appreciate the finer things in life :))
All you really need is some fine ass and loads of 10th Anniversaries
The 10th Anniversaries are the joke that costs $200 more than a current RF 87, for a long past Topre anniversary.some dirty convicts just can't appreciate the finer things in life :))
All you really need is some fine ass and loads of 10th Anniversaries, everything else is just plain, poorly made garbage masquerading as something 'special' ;) .
HHKB is a joke everyone has heard already except for the suckers who bought into it........
FWIW, I'm getting my hands on the case for a review.Review from objective, competent person ✓
FWIW, I'm getting my hands on the case for a review.
I'm getting the one in the picture on Massdrop. I think that's the prototype. I'm not sure of the date I'll have it in hand yet.
But he doesn't even like Topre :P :DFWIW, I'm getting my hands on the case for a review.Review from objective, competent person ✓
The fate of this drop rests in your hands~
But he doesn't even like Topre :P :DFWIW, I'm getting my hands on the case for a review.Review from objective, competent person ✓
The fate of this drop rests in your hands~
This case didn't let me shove Alps into itI lol'ed of course that's what you would find went wrong with it <3
-12/10
This case didn't let me shove Alps into it
-12/10
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.
Somebody get this guy a nice CAD file! Problem with the MD case is its not very nice looking, don't need CpT to tell me that...
Then $20 says he ends up using it as a penholder. It is gonna be holding lots of pens soon.
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.
This I can tell you, I got a sample of one of the wood cases that MD has been selling by Royal Glam (this is just speculation, but a I think all these recent CNC'd case offerings are from the same company), and the manufacturer certainly cut corners with the wood cases. I assume, as others have pointed out, that the reason this is a block instead of keeping true to the HHKB form factor is to save on CNCing time and costs.
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.
I fully support this, but you should really make a separate thread, both to keep the info organized and to avoid heading off topic in these threads. :thumb:
We don't need an aluminium HHKB case, we need a wood one.
a wooden HHKB would be amazing. :eek:
I just don't get it. If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case. We need dat curve + slope. ^-^
I just don't get it. If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case. We need dat curve + slope. ^-^
I suspect it is so they can sell something at a premium price and hope people won't notice the flaws. I don't mean MD either, or just MD I guess. I think MD takes a lot of the manufactures word on what is good, because they may not have the most in depth knowledge on the subject. They see people want an aluminum HHKB case and work with someone overseas to make that happen. They rely a lot on that vendor to get it right. It would be better if they could get more feedback on what people really want in a case like this. There is so much love for the styling of the HHKB, it didn't have to be changed to this blocky form.
This is another thing I don't understand, then. They could easily get a Vendor account here on geekhack and solicit advice from users to make their products better, just like every other Vendor registered here. Or I guess they can just keep making stuff and hoping we like it...?While it may not be the case (no pun) for the HHKB, in most other cases regular users of GH are a minority when compared to the legions of people who spam-**** the MD forums with "will this fit my pok3r?". I would guess we're just not that much of a priority.
(I know you don't know the answer to this, I'm just venting in response)
This is another thing I don't understand, then. They could easily get a Vendor account here on geekhack and solicit advice from users to make their products better, just like every other Vendor registered here. Or I guess they can just keep making stuff and hoping we like it...?While it may not be the case (no pun) for the HHKB, in most other cases regular users of GH are a minority when compared to the legions of people who spam-**** the MD forums with "will this fit my pok3r?". I would guess we're just not that much of a priority.
(I know you don't know the answer to this, I'm just venting in response)
This is another thing I don't understand, then. They could easily get a Vendor account here on geekhack and solicit advice from users to make their products better, just like every other Vendor registered here. Or I guess they can just keep making stuff and hoping we like it...?
(I know you don't know the answer to this, I'm just venting in response)
This is another thing I don't understand, then. They could easily get a Vendor account here on geekhack and solicit advice from users to make their products better, just like every other Vendor registered here. Or I guess they can just keep making stuff and hoping we like it...?
(I know you don't know the answer to this, I'm just venting in response)
It is interesting isn't it? I know that there is no love loss between a majority of GH and MD, but instead of partaking the community and working with us (and I don't just mean GH, but Reddit, DT or whomever else) to make something cool they often take the ideas and go full speed ahead with their partners overseas. That isn't always the case of course, but anyone would be lying if they said that didn't happen.
I don't think their intentions are always bad, but sometimes they way they go about it is questionable. It would be great if that could change since likely everyone could benefit from it.
I would like to see PFU reissue (remake) the HHKB HG and have it available in-the USA. I would buy one in a heartbeat (the non urushi golddust caps). I'm sure their are many others that would if PFU made them again.
I would like to see PFU reissue (remake) the HHKB HG and have it available in-the USA. I would buy one in a heartbeat (the non urushi golddust caps). I'm sure their are many others that would if PFU made them again.IIRC the vanilla HG was around $2,250, so... kind of a tough sell even as incredible as that case is.
We don't need an aluminium HHKB case, we need a wood one.
a wooden HHKB would be amazing. :eek:
Since so many people are talking about throwing on sliders, let me just point out something:
The two holes needing drilled out for the Novatouch sliders are dual purpose: they also allow the keycap stems to drop below the mounting surface, so you can, you know, actually depress the keys.
So, even with the JTK sliders, the MX return and shift keys still won't work without modification to the keycaps themselves.
Also, WTF why would you not mill out the Novatouch stabilizer holes?? Ugh
Since so many people are talking about throwing on sliders, let me just point out something:
The two holes needing drilled out for the Novatouch sliders are dual purpose: they also allow the keycap stems to drop below the mounting surface, so you can, you know, actually depress the keys.
So, even with the JTK sliders, the MX return and shift keys still won't work without modification to the keycaps themselves.
I already mentioned that. :D Or are there people saying you can still use the sliders without the holes? Not sure exactly who you're responding to here. :)Also, WTF why would you not mill out the Novatouch stabilizer holes?? Ugh
Random thought - if making the top half of the case is the difficult part, can you use the Massdrop case top, and have someone machine a case bottom with an incline?
The 10th Anniversaries are the joke that costs $200 more than a current RF 87, for a long past Topre anniversary.
hoffman, can you explain the curve a little bit? I understand the slope but cant really understand the curve.. :-\ (you know, i don't have any topre board yet)Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.
I fully support this, but you should really make a separate thread, both to keep the info organized and to avoid heading off topic in these threads. :thumb:This I can tell you, I got a sample of one of the wood cases that MD has been selling by Royal Glam (this is just speculation, but a I think all these recent CNC'd case offerings are from the same company), and the manufacturer certainly cut corners with the wood cases. I assume, as others have pointed out, that the reason this is a block instead of keeping true to the HHKB form factor is to save on CNCing time and costs.
I just don't get it. If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case. We need dat curve + slope. ^-^
hoffman, can you explain the curve a little bit? I understand the slope but cant really understand the curve.. :-\ (you know, i don't have any topre board yet)Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.
I fully support this, but you should really make a separate thread, both to keep the info organized and to avoid heading off topic in these threads. :thumb:This I can tell you, I got a sample of one of the wood cases that MD has been selling by Royal Glam (this is just speculation, but a I think all these recent CNC'd case offerings are from the same company), and the manufacturer certainly cut corners with the wood cases. I assume, as others have pointed out, that the reason this is a block instead of keeping true to the HHKB form factor is to save on CNCing time and costs.
I just don't get it. If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case. We need dat curve + slope. ^-^
Is the pcb also curve or just the case?
I'm getting the one in the picture on Massdrop. I think that's the prototype. I'm not sure of the date I'll have it in hand yet.
hoffman, can you explain the curve a little bit? I understand the slope but cant really understand the curve.. :-\ (you know, i don't have any topre board yet)Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.
I fully support this, but you should really make a separate thread, both to keep the info organized and to avoid heading off topic in these threads. :thumb:This I can tell you, I got a sample of one of the wood cases that MD has been selling by Royal Glam (this is just speculation, but a I think all these recent CNC'd case offerings are from the same company), and the manufacturer certainly cut corners with the wood cases. I assume, as others have pointed out, that the reason this is a block instead of keeping true to the HHKB form factor is to save on CNCing time and costs.
I just don't get it. If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case. We need dat curve + slope. ^-^
Is the pcb also curve or just the case?
The case has a very subtle curve to it. I actually didn't realize there was a curve until I took a closer look a few days ago. It's just the case; the PCB is flat.
There are really a lot more angles to this case than you'd expect.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/D2I9D0a.jpg)
#realkeyboardshavecurves
#realkeyboardshavecurves
LOL :)) :)) :)) :))
Considering a HHKB isn't a real keyboard to begin with.....
#realkeyboardshavecurves
LOL :)) :)) :)) :))
Considering a HHKB isn't a real keyboard to begin with.....
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.Four posts a day for four years, he has mastered the art of the ****post.
#realkeyboardshavecurves
LOL :)) :)) :)) :))
Considering a HHKB isn't a real keyboard to begin with.....
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.
Forget you guys....I'm buying one in silver. Will transfer my Type-S into it and review.
Curses. Foiled again.Forget you guys....I'm buying one in silver. Will transfer my Type-S into it and review.
myyyyyy heeeerrrrroooooooo
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.Four posts a day for four years, he has mastered the art of the ****post.
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I'm getting the one in the picture on Massdrop. I think that's the prototype. I'm not sure of the date I'll have it in hand yet.
I'd recommend reviewing it before/after krytox application. I suspect the metal will wear the stems (like we see in heavily used hall effect KBs) but we won't know until long-term users weigh in.
Wow...the conspiracy is thick in here. What if I said I just asked to review it? Maybe I'm not the only one reviewing the prototype either.
A wise man once said, "chill fam".
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.
I honestly had to look up what exactly a mangina is, and yet I'm still confused.Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.
A Mangina suddenly wants me to stop, dream on sunshine 8) . Just get use to it......
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.
A Mangina suddenly wants me to stop, dream on sunshine 8) . Just get use to it......
Start a new "Personal Attack/HHKB hate drama" thread :pCan you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.
A Mangina suddenly wants me to stop, dream on sunshine 8) . Just get use to it......
Okay let's cut the personal attacks in here. If you really want to attack someone for wanting you to stop threadcrapping, take it somewhere else.
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.
A Mangina suddenly wants me to stop, dream on sunshine 8) . Just get use to it......
Okay let's cut the personal attacks in here. If you really want to attack someone for wanting you to stop threadcrapping, take it somewhere else.
Huh. I always thought Elrick's "incendiary" posts were just tolerated.Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.
A Mangina suddenly wants me to stop, dream on sunshine 8) . Just get use to it......
Okay let's cut the personal attacks in here. If you really want to attack someone for wanting you to stop threadcrapping, take it somewhere else.
How could it be a 'personal attack' if you lot here on GH Central, have no idea what it means?
Okay, just to not ruffle anymore feathers on the HHKB crowd here I shall cease, but I'm calling your mummies to come pick you up from GH daycare as soon as possible ;D .
The longer they go without saying anything, the more likely I am to skip out on it. It's like they said "HERE'S YOUR ALUMINUM KEYBOARD HHKB FANSTRAIGHTS, ENJOY!" and that's it. Now the drop is almost up to 100 comments, and there has only been one real employee reply that addressed anything (the colors, using photos from a different case, and even then we still don't know what green or champagne look like). It's like instead of easing our concerns with thought-out replies or pictures, they're relying solely on an outside party (CptBA) to indirectly sell the drop for them.
It's sad that they put more effort into explaining the backstory of the drop, than the details of the drop itself. At least some good might come of this in the form of capable members working together to move beyond the previous vaporware and generate a legitimate HHKB case GB.
get it now, didn't notice the case is curved before :eek:hoffman, can you explain the curve a little bit? I understand the slope but cant really understand the curve.. :-\ (you know, i don't have any topre board yet)Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.
I fully support this, but you should really make a separate thread, both to keep the info organized and to avoid heading off topic in these threads. :thumb:This I can tell you, I got a sample of one of the wood cases that MD has been selling by Royal Glam (this is just speculation, but a I think all these recent CNC'd case offerings are from the same company), and the manufacturer certainly cut corners with the wood cases. I assume, as others have pointed out, that the reason this is a block instead of keeping true to the HHKB form factor is to save on CNCing time and costs.
I just don't get it. If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case. We need dat curve + slope. ^-^
Is the pcb also curve or just the case?
The case has a very subtle curve to it. I actually didn't realize there was a curve until I took a closer look a few days ago. It's just the case; the PCB is flat.
There are really a lot more angles to this case than you'd expect.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/D2I9D0a.jpg)
So there are 8 people that ordered one but the only person I know of is LSB
Unless akimbo actually ordered one.
The cpt is getting the prototype red one.
I think this just goes to show that a custom third party case for the HHKB, something people have wanted for a long time, can be thoroughly ruined by poor design.
Considering they do have a prototype, didn't they think to get feedback on it first?
Make a few, send them to more prominent members (Cpt, etc) BEFORE the group buy. (But Cpt, I thought you hated topre)
Even if the case turns out well and works well, it's still overly bulky for me and I like having my HHKB with the feet up.
So there are 8 people that ordered one but the only person I know of is LSB20 units needed, 8 sold, 7 days to go of the total 12 days. They probably will try and extend it to get the MOQ.
Unless akimbo actually ordered one.
The cpt is getting the prototype red one.
I think this just goes to show that a custom third party case for the HHKB, something people have wanted for a long time, can be thoroughly ruined by poor design.
Considering they do have a prototype, didn't they think to get feedback on it first?
Make a few, send them to more prominent members (Cpt, etc) BEFORE the group buy. (But Cpt, I thought you hated topre)
Even if the case turns out well and works well, it's still overly bulky for me and I like having my HHKB with the feet up.
I ordered one in black just a minute ago so the total should be up to 8. Idk what the moq is for production though.
I mean, we ***** that they don't listen to the community. Then they reach out to the community for feedback, and we ***** about that. I understand the reasons why, but maybe they really *do* want "our" opinion.
I mean, we ***** that they don't listen to the community. Then they reach out to the community for feedback, and we ***** about that. I understand the reasons why, but maybe they really *do* want "our" opinion.
The problem is that they're reaching out too late. That's great if you guys tell them why their case sucks and they go "oh, guess we've learned something" but the fact is they're still running a drop for a product we don't want because they did things stupidly. And if they do end up doing a drop later on for a case that is actually good, it's kinda unfair to those who are just gonna buy this one thinking there may not be another choice since frankly community projects aren't anything to bank on and there's no guarantee MD will go back to the drawing board. And never mind design, there's even the basic things like not even showing all the colors they're offering and the fact they want to sell this to us without providing relevant info like how affects the feel and stuff.
They basically handled it as poorly as possible.
I mean, we ***** that they don't listen to the community. Then they reach out to the community for feedback, and we ***** about that. I understand the reasons why, but maybe they really *do* want "our" opinion.
The problem is that they're reaching out too late. That's great if you guys tell them why their case sucks and they go "oh, guess we've learned something" but the fact is they're still running a drop for a product we don't want because they did things stupidly. And if they do end up doing a drop later on for a case that is actually good, it's kinda unfair to those who are just gonna buy this one thinking there may not be another choice since frankly community projects aren't anything to bank on and there's no guarantee MD will go back to the drawing board. And never mind design, there's even the basic things like not even showing all the colors they're offering and the fact they want to sell this to us without providing relevant info like how affects the feel and stuff.
They basically handled it as poorly as possible.
I agree with everything you have said here. I guess the optimism I have is that they will learn from these mistakes and get more community feedback up front. Also, I think there should be an expectation that if you are buying a first gen product it will improve going forward. It shouldn't be complete **** at first either, but it isn't likely to never change for the better.
MD learning at the customer's expenses is great for them, it is not for the consumer.
I agree with everything you have said here. I guess the optimism I have is that they will learn from these mistakes and get more community feedback up front. Also, I think there should be an expectation that if you are buying a first gen product it will improve going forward. It shouldn't be complete **** at first either, but it isn't likely to never change for the better.
Well, now it's back down to 7. I guess someone canceled their order.
The longer they go without saying anything, the more likely I am to skip out on it. It's like they said "HERE'S YOUR ALUMINUM KEYBOARD HHKB FANSTRAIGHTS, ENJOY!" and that's it. Now the drop is almost up to 100 comments, and there has only been one real employee reply that addressed anything (the colors, using photos from a different case, and even then we still don't know what green or champagne look like). It's like instead of easing our concerns with thought-out replies or pictures, they're relying solely on an outside party (CptBA) to indirectly sell the drop for them.
It's sad that they put more effort into explaining the backstory of the drop, than the details of the drop itself. At least some good might come of this in the form of capable members working together to move beyond the previous vaporware and generate a legitimate HHKB case GB.
FWIW, they sent me a prototype of a case before full well knowing that I was going to think it wasn't good. They weren't looking for me to tell people it was awesome, they wanted someone that could provide insight as to why people kept saying it was ****ty. I was also pretty vocal in the discussion section before they ever offered.
Now, one could argue that they are going to take the advice that I may have provided and tell the vendor how to fix it, and therefore take potential business away from me, since I also happen to make the same product. The untrusting, conspiracy ridden side of me me certainly thought this. However, I have chosen to believe that what I make will be better no matter what, because I'm focused on making things the best it can be, not the quickest, cheapest, or most profitable.
You have to remember that these guys at MD are there to run a business, they are not necessarily experts. These guys might be familiar with keyboards, but they aren't using an HHKB everyday. The don't know what makes a good CNC'd case beyond the basics. I'm not saying MD is altruistic in their motivations. But I don't think they had any realistic expectation that CPT was going to sell GH on a case that thus far has not gotten high praise. If anything, I'm guessing they are soliciting advice via payment of a case to figure out what can be done better. If they were expecting anymore than that, they are surely going to be disappointed.
I mean, we ***** that they don't listen to the community. Then they reach out to the community for feedback, and we ***** about that. I understand the reasons why, but maybe they really *do* want "our" opinion.
Ok, after this drop and seeing the subsequent resurgence in HHKB cases in the wake I figured I'd share a little about what I was working on, as I am a huge HHKB fan and really want to have something made worthy of the HHKB.
First, a list of what I want out of this case:
Milled aluminum
Similar in appearance to the HHKB. Same slant, approx size, etc.
Plastic plate
$200 or less for final product
Now, at work we have an excellent design department with many of the capabilities needed to create this case (experts in CAD as well as milling capabilities). Any group buy, however, would not be run out of my work's shop. There is not enough time for that to happen. I have been able to slowly put effort for a while though. So I can talk through where I am so far.
The HHKB case is probably one of the most difficult cases to replicate, especially out of metal. Due to the fact that the top half of the case is also the plate, milling gets extremely expensive very fast when a full metal option is considered. One of the first decisions I made when starting to brainstorm was that any case I worked on would have a plastic plate. Love it or hate it, the plastic plate really gives the HHKB a very distinct feel, and that feel is something I want to preserve. Furthermore incorporating a plastic plate will make the overall cost significantly cheaper.
The next considerations were purely aesthetic design choices. The first obvious choice I made was to concentrate on making a case that looks as similar to the original in appearance as possible. I have no interest in making a "GoN" looking case, or a "Box" case, rather a case that almost feels like it cam from PFU. The next huge deal if this was an interest check would be "Make it super MX Compatible!" which sadly, I do not have interest in. I love keycap sets as much as the next person, even spent months designing one, but I am really interested in staying as true to the HHKB as possible. Yes, I will absolutely want to make sure there are holes that allow Novatouch stabs to be used, but doing things like changing the bottom row to a 6.25u space won't happen. The main issue here is that there is no SA 6u spacebars, and that until there are molds, they won't be compatible. Personally, I like the Topre profile as well as keycaps and would want those to be useable with this case.
Finally, I am not saying any of this to prevent anyone else from working on a similar project! In this growing community there is no reason not to have a few cases available. If you like the Massdrop case, great! I have no issue with that. If you come out with one tomorrow, I'll probably buy it! Will I ever run an [IC]? Yes, when I have a working prototype. I am not personally a fan of running IC's that slowly bleed into group buys months later, only to be stuck in the GB stage for ages too. I will run a quick IC when ready to address any serious issues there may be, and then right into a GB. I am also not a fan of asking the community to fund my prototyping/etc. and will not be asking for money. This has been a project funded out of my pocket and I will continue to fund all the preliminary work and prototypes of my idea for a case.
So, all that being said. If you have little ideas you want to throw me via PM, that would be more than fine, though I hope this just helps people understand what I am going for a little better. Currently, we are brainstorming through the plastic plate. Should it be connected to the top case? If it is a standalone part, how will it be secured in the case? etc. If any big progress is made I will try to post pics to KC or something :)
While I'd actually prefer a full metal case (for me part of the draw of an aluminum case would be the different feel) I would definitely be interested in what you're working on, LSB. I always figured a community project aluminum HHKB case would be $300-400 minimum so to see you're aiming for $200 and the HHKB style is pretty enticing.
Well, 1 day left and only 7 have been bought. R.I.P Aluminium HHKB, you will be remembered for not living up to your potential. :'(
still at 0 purchases in china, and still no replies from massdrop. at least cptBA got a collector's item out of this :P
It shouldn't cost that much for just a case
well, I'll have it after him ;)that works out then. put massdrop's failure in the hand of those who are making a legitimate effort to bring a hhkb case to market, that way they have a better idea of what works/what doesn't.
From day one I've thought this was an impressive specimen of milling but an ugly keyboard case.It shouldn't cost that much for just a case
Well, their price for what they offered was pretty spot on. Milling is very expensive, and the HHKB top plate/case is a hell of a thing to mill.
That is why I'm pretty adamant about having a plastic plate, for pricing and other reasons on my design.
GUYS, I JUST SAW THIS ON TAOBAOlol. Massdrop usually brings over things from TaoBao.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-3510863721.27.13jLVo&id=523139210844Show Image(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/1713761720/TB2ZXwHgXXXXXcDXXXXXXXXXXXX_!!1713761720.jpg)
GUYS, I JUST SAW THIS ON TAOBAO
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-3510863721.27.13jLVo&id=523139210844Show Image(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/1713761720/TB2ZXwHgXXXXXcDXXXXXXXXXXXX_!!1713761720.jpg)
GUYS, I JUST SAW THIS ON TAOBAOlol. Massdrop usually brings over things from TaoBao.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-3510863721.27.13jLVo&id=523139210844Show Image(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/1713761720/TB2ZXwHgXXXXXcDXXXXXXXXXXXX_!!1713761720.jpg)
Now if someone can source that iQunix Lambo...
Edit:
Holy cow. That seller has a S**T-TON of Massdrop items.
GUYS, I JUST SAW THIS ON TAOBAOlol. Massdrop usually brings over things from TaoBao.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-3510863721.27.13jLVo&id=523139210844Show Image(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/1713761720/TB2ZXwHgXXXXXcDXXXXXXXXXXXX_!!1713761720.jpg)
Now if someone can source that iQunix Lambo...
Edit:
Holy cow. That seller has a S**T-TON of Massdrop items.
it's the opposite case i believe, they got/order their item from massdrop. not sure can you still order that case from them though since the massdrop gb failed.
How do you feel about the quality of the case?
Typing video between the two keyboards please. Compare individual keys on the metal and plastic hhkb -- do the plungers feel scratchy? Is the machining smooth around the plungers?
Are you currently using the aluminum HHKB case with additional feet or flat on the desk? Could you measure the approximate angle with feet installed?
This should help you ;)Are you currently using the aluminum HHKB case with additional feet or flat on the desk? Could you measure the approximate angle with feet installed?
Uh, I didn't realize the case had optional feet. I don't think they're optional so I'll say that they have feet. And I will need to math but I'm going to do that in a bit. I'm still learning the layout. I don't know how to delete and it's driving me crazy. Not backspace, delete.
I'm trying to get it so when I hit Delete, it backspaces. Then FN + Delete = Delete. The backspace function is working but I can't get Delete working for some reason. Got Dip 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 off and 3 on.
Feel I'll have to get back to you. I'm not really familiar enough with how the Hhkb feels yet. Sound? That metal case is loud. More details coming soonTM.
Well, feel doesn't necessarily have to be compared to the HHKB, could compare it to other topre boards.
BTW turning on switch 3 makes the delete key a backspace key, but to delete you hit FN and ~. FN + Delete key is always bound to backspace no matter what. Though I see someone already explained that.
(http://media.makeameme.org/created/yes-join-us.jpg)Well, feel doesn't necessarily have to be compared to the HHKB, could compare it to other topre boards.
BTW turning on switch 3 makes the delete key a backspace key, but to delete you hit FN and ~. FN + Delete key is always bound to backspace no matter what. Though I see someone already explained that.
I have very limited Topre experience. I'm uncomfortable giving a feel because I am highly biased and I need time to set aside my biases before I can give a better, more objective reply on feeling. Otherwise, if you want me to rush it, I'll just say throw it in the bin and grab an Alps board :P.
And thank you zeal and a_ak57!! Finally found delete.
Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/29/f5581ae4b928eef5154d7de29d6540a4.jpg)
Any burning questions anyone wants answered? Also the flipped space bar lasted 30 seconds.
looks like you have one of a kind, i guess? :D
quite curious to the typing(sound) video :)
What have you doneShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/w6p8Y05.jpg)
It's going to be all the rage, a standing keyboard.What have you doneShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/w6p8Y05.jpg)
It will have very little ping, but a lot of gong.It's going to be all the rage, a standing keyboard.What have you doneShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/w6p8Y05.jpg)
DONG THUCK THOCK DONGIt will have very little ping, but a lot of gong.It's going to be all the rage, a standing keyboard.What have you doneShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/w6p8Y05.jpg)
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc. :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.
I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.
I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.
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I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.
>Senior Moderator
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc. :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.
I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc. :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.
I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.
I would join you, but I am a responsible adult with a job D.=
I would join you, but I am a responsible adult with a job D.=
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc. :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.
I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.
I would join you, but I am a responsible adult with a job D.=
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc. :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.
I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.
I would join you, but I am a responsible adult with a job D.=
Whoa! Hey now... I'm an adult with a job too!
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc. :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.
I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc. :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.
I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.
you'll be drunker than me? Challenge accepted :cool: