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Title: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:23:28
This popped up a few hours ago, and it should probably have it's own thread.  :)

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hhkb-cnc-aluminum-case

Mod Edit for guest link: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hhkb-cnc-aluminum-case?mode=guest_open

Mod Edit 2: CPTBadAss talks about the case and has more pictures over here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76746.0
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Sed8op8 on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:30:20
This popped up a few hours ago, and it should probably have it's own thread.  :)

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hhkb-cnc-aluminum-case
I was hoping it was going to be cheaper but after seeing how intricate some of it looks the price dosnt seem too horrible I'd like to see what the price drop at 100 units is  :eek:
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: romevi on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:34:53
I joined, but I'd be ecstatic if it went around $180.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: btctopre on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:35:48
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hhkb-cnc-aluminum-case?mode=guest_open for the open link (I think).

Need a product review from an objective, competent person, or it's a no-buy from me (and I'm considering buying all seven colors huehue). The change in friction because the housing isn't the usual plastic worries me, so would like to hear how it feels stock, and then possibly lubed. Same sort of ordeal with the stabilizer keys. And is there potential for QC issues on the tabs that hold the stabilizers in place, or any fitment issues with the spacebar stabilizers? Also need to see how the PCBs are going to fit inside of it, and how the main board is being held in place (is it being screwed into the spacing between the housings like usual, or is it just going to be wedged between the two plates).

You have my curiosity massdrop...

edit- oh yeah, need angle degree with feet on and some sort of sound test (digilog is blatantly pingy) :P
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:36:55
I hope they do a round two and refine the case a bit, the shape of it is somewhat more KMAC than HHKB.

I'd rather hold out for a round two than what it currently is, to be honest.

Maybe if the price drop at a 100 is large enough...
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:38:43
I hope they do a round two and refine the case a bit, the shape of it is somewhat more KMAC than HHKB.

I'd rather hold out for a round two than what it currently is, to be honest.

Maybe if the price drop at a 100 is large enough...
Knowing massdrop the price drop will be like $10 :P
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:38:44
I wish it sloped from back to front, and had some chamfering or other finishing along the edges. Nevertheless, it is an impressive product and a good price point.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: raymogi on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:40:17
I wish it sloped from back to front, and had some chamfering or other finishing along the edges. Nevertheless, it is an impressive product and a good price point.

Exactly!

I hate boxy looking aluminium case, just like the Digilog case.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:43:19
removed.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: raymogi on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:44:57
I wish it sloped from back to front, and had some chamfering or other finishing along the edges. Nevertheless, it is an impressive product and a good price point.

Exactly!

I hate boxy looking aluminium case, just like the Digilog case.

Digilog in person isn't that bad actually.  I had one.  I think this is more dramatic since it's smaller

Ah yeah makes sense. And the fact it's the red one that they show makes it more dramatic. Wanna see it in black or titanium grey first before I make my decision.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: rm-rf on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:44:58
its so flat...
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:46:37
removed.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: byker on Fri, 16 October 2015, 21:55:32
I feel like the aluminum case will make it feel like a realforce - which loses part of the value of the hhkb to me, the signature feel. I will probably sit the initial round out and wait to see some reviews before I decide on one.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Michael on Fri, 16 October 2015, 22:02:00
I want to like it.... but.... no.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: septamber on Fri, 16 October 2015, 22:36:53
Someone take one for the team and report back!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 16 October 2015, 22:39:59
Looks like ****e.  Also, would not buy without a review first.  Who knows how well the sliders work and if the case is actually any good.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ika on Fri, 16 October 2015, 22:40:15
It's so massive ;-;
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:05:18
Saw it at a glance and freaked out thinking about how I'm going to buy it

Then calmed down and looked at it and I don't want it any more.

Wish it was better, but not dropping the cash for this one.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:14:17
removed.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:14:33
Someone take one for the team and report back!  :thumb:
Livingspeedbump will surely post a review on the case once he gets it, I assume.




Just curious, who thought this would be a good idea? :/
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016133937_661488d1888b45b7.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)
Needs more curves.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:18:03
Kinda glad they hit this with the ugly stick, otherwise I'd be broke.

Seriously though... who on earth though they could improve on the case profile that all HHKB users already love?  :-X
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Bucake on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:24:50
was insanely hyped about the idea, but this is just totally not what i had in mind :/
sigh, i guess i'm just gonna pass.. :(
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:27:30
Someone take one for the team and report back!  :thumb:
Livingspeedbump will surely post a review on the case once he gets it, I assume.




Just curious, who thought this would be a good idea? :/
Show Image
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016133937_661488d1888b45b7.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)

Needs more curves.

It's massdrop, they don't think. They just go, hey, what's GH working on where people are excited and how can we make money off of it, quality and utility be damned.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: raymogi on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:31:55
Someone take one for the team and report back!  :thumb:
Livingspeedbump will surely post a review on the case once he gets it, I assume.




Just curious, who thought this would be a good idea? :/
Show Image
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016133937_661488d1888b45b7.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)

Needs more curves.

OH HELL NO
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Durvid on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:36:07
Been waiting on this forever, and now I'm just disappointed. It looks terrible and costs an arm and a leg.. I'm sure a few will sell since it's new, but I wanted one with the same shape as the stock case..
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:37:08
Case flat, not tilted like beloved HHKB. Questionable placement of USB/dip slots. Colours to give everyone an idea as opposed to a real visual. CASE FLAT, NOT TILTED. NOT TILTED. NO TILT..... pass.


 This is a blessing for me as only have a limited amount of fun money at the moment and I want to use for other things.

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:37:38
Been waiting on this forever, and now I'm just disappointed. It looks terrible and costs an arm and a leg.. I'm sure a few will sell since it's new, but I wanted one with the same shape as the stock case..

Pretty much everyone wants one in the shape of the stockcase!
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:44:54
removed.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:50:32
Been waiting on this forever, and now I'm just disappointed. It looks terrible and costs an arm and a leg.. I'm sure a few will sell since it's new, but I wanted one with the same shape as the stock case..

Pretty much everyone wants one in the shape of the stockcase!

Yeah!  The angle made it one of my favorite keyboards.  The cnc case looks like ass

It looks like the Leopold case had a tilt in it, why could they just not apply this principle to the HHKB case.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: appleonama on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:52:17
This case doesn't look great in my opinion I'm sure it couldve been done better. For example the Realforce digilog case looked great but I wasn't a fan of alu and topre.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161232862617
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: naasfu on Sat, 17 October 2015, 00:04:02
whoa.  it's so... boxy.

(http://i.imgur.com/EQeeb0c.gif)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: U47 on Sat, 17 October 2015, 00:21:31
Been waiting on this forever, and now I'm just disappointed. It looks terrible and costs an arm and a leg.. I'm sure a few will sell since it's new, but I wanted one with the same shape as the stock case..

Pretty much everyone wants one in the shape of the stockcase!

Straight bummed about this. Lame.

Anyone know if someone's been able to sit down with this and compare it against the plastic stock case for differences in feel?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 17 October 2015, 00:34:49
Someone take one for the team and report back!  :thumb:
Livingspeedbump will surely post a review on the case once he gets it, I assume.




Just curious, who thought this would be a good idea? :/
Show Image
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016133937_661488d1888b45b7.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)

Needs more curves.

I think they were going for the 'lego' look.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: beehatch on Sat, 17 October 2015, 00:36:08
It looks ****ing awful.

Hot trash. Would not buy. Ever.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: trizkut on Sat, 17 October 2015, 00:38:31
(http://i.imgur.com/BpTQtAy.gif)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Michael on Sat, 17 October 2015, 00:42:26

Show Image
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016133937_661488d1888b45b7.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)




(http://i.imgur.com/QoQPJ67.gif)


(http://i.imgur.com/cLcB3ti.gif)

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: nmur on Sat, 17 October 2015, 00:47:09
jesus, it looks like someone could build a house with them. legit bricks of aluminum.

I'm wondering how it would be with a pair of typical feet like other flat aluminum cases have. you would surely have to use a wrist rest this thing too.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Michael on Sat, 17 October 2015, 00:52:40
(http://i.imgur.com/w6p8Y05.jpg)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: trizkut on Sat, 17 October 2015, 00:54:49
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/w6p8Y05.jpg)



ayyyyy a keyboard that doubles as a PC case  (https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/laugh.gif)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Michael on Sat, 17 October 2015, 00:55:55
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/w6p8Y05.jpg)



ayyyyy a keyboard that doubles as a PC case 
Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/laugh.gif)


(http://i.imgur.com/SBbBDp1.gif)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 17 October 2015, 00:56:18
I echo the sentiments of many others here.  Flat case is ugly, untested design is risky.  I don't trust this design - at all.  It's cool that Massdrop wants to make neat things, but I simply don't think it has the attention to detail that is required for something this huge.

Also, WTF why would you not mill out the Novatouch stabilizer holes??  Ugh
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: VesperSAINT on Sat, 17 October 2015, 01:17:32
Show Image
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016133937_661488d1888b45b7.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)


(http://i.imgur.com/QUqmUY2.gif)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/w6p8Y05.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/v2dX60A.gif)


jesus, it looks like someone could build a house with them. legit bricks of aluminum.

I'm wondering how it would be with a pair of typical feet like other flat aluminum cases have. you would surely have to use a wrist rest this thing too.

you don't even need a desk~

real life scale

(http://i.imgur.com/PQgb6qD.jpg)

i jest

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 17 October 2015, 04:01:11
It looks as though it's built for it to cover the whole HHKB, plastic case and all. No, ugly! For someone who had the tooling to do this, why oh why must it be so ugly?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Vanilla on Sat, 17 October 2015, 04:42:40
Someone take one for the team and report back!  :thumb:
Livingspeedbump will surely post a review on the case once he gets it, I assume.




Just curious, who thought this would be a good idea? :/
Show Image
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016133937_661488d1888b45b7.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)

Needs more curves.

Eck! Do not want.

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 17 October 2015, 05:06:26
(https://media.giphy.com/media/y20uy9R2Nd2Ew/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Signature on Sat, 17 October 2015, 05:11:28
I think you guys are way too harsh about this case. Yes I agree that it's ugly, but it's the 3rd party hhkb case ever made and I think that itself is a giant step forward. Now that we know it's possible, we just have to perfect it  :thumb:
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 17 October 2015, 05:14:30
Too harsh? Not harsh enough.

Waste of time by whoever designed it and by MD.

It is like all parties involved never used a HHKB, let alone any keyboard worth a ****.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Sat, 17 October 2015, 05:24:51
 (http://media.giphy.com/media/iPTTjEt19igne/giphy.gif)I came in and I was all happy like
Then I seen it and i was like
(http://i.imgur.com/shG1sGR.gif)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: abswyfe on Sat, 17 October 2015, 05:33:06
Show Image
(https://media.giphy.com/media/y20uy9R2Nd2Ew/giphy.gif)


Is she puking up the case?
Or are you saying the case is flatter than their middle school aged chests?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: henz on Sat, 17 October 2015, 06:55:09
The hate train is so massive on this one. Im fregging buying it, and ill make it tilted with 3m rubber feet. Ill be dancing with my case while you haters be dancing with yourselves  :p
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Fire Brand on Sat, 17 October 2015, 07:19:44
I find this highly amusing that everyone was whining wanting a HHKB metal type case for aaaaaages only for one to be made one comes out and no-one wants to buy it, lol just lol
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Bromono on Sat, 17 October 2015, 07:41:13
Can't we just put some feet in the bottom to give it a curve?

I actualy really like the case.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: yomammary on Sat, 17 October 2015, 07:45:55
Looks like it's 2 inches thick... which is weird.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: henz on Sat, 17 October 2015, 07:56:15
Can't we just put some feet in the bottom to give it a curve?

I actualy really like the case.

+1, 3M should have a bunch of different options.

it reminds me of my Kmac happy which i love.

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: btctopre on Sat, 17 October 2015, 08:10:50
Can't we just put some feet in the bottom to give it a curve?
Massdrop> It [...] comes with feet to allow for a flat or a tilted profile.

It's a given that we'll get feet, but I'm one of those heathens that uses the extended legs for maximum slope action on mine, so it'd be really nice to know the extent of the angle on the aluminum case with the added feet.

Another thing I realized might be an annoyance is- will the sliders (stock/silent/Novatouch) hold in the housing when you separate the top case from the PCB? If the answer is no, then anyone that regularly gets inside their HHKB is likely going to have to perform the more cumbersome task of inverting the top piece and installing the domes by sheet/by string/individually into the housing. It'd make performing the ol' lift off the top, do your business, then set it back down on the PCB likely result in a bunch of sliders dropping out during the transitions each time.

I'm nitpicking a lot of things, but an aluminum case w/ embedded housings has substantially more impact on the smoothness of Topre than the standard housing + plate for MX, where the housing is still a separate ordeal. I've always wondered why no one has just created a floating plate case (like a GON) for the HHKB that allowed you to transplant stock Topre housings into the plate and then just build it out from there. It's much more feasible than a full-blown aluminum case, and the end result would likely be typing experience similar to that of a Realforce/Leopold.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 17 October 2015, 08:16:22
I find this highly amusing that everyone was whining wanting a HHKB metal type case for aaaaaages only for one to be made one comes out and no-one wants to buy it, lol just lol

I find it amusing that 10 people say it is ugly and you immediately lump them in with "everyone" and "no-one".
I find it amusing that you are "lol"ing.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 17 October 2015, 08:20:22
Interesting. If I weren't so overspent on keyboard paraphernalia, I would buy the case just to satisfy my curiosity. Among other things, I'd like to know how the aluminum switch housings will affect the sound and feel of the switches.

Maybe they will sell peaked roofs as well for that Monopoly hotel look ....

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Fire Brand on Sat, 17 October 2015, 08:51:49
I find this highly amusing that everyone was whining wanting a HHKB metal type case for aaaaaages only for one to be made one comes out and no-one wants to buy it, lol just lol

I find it amusing that 10 people say it is ugly and you immediately lump them in with "everyone" and "no-one".
I find it amusing that you are "lol"ing.
Okay let me rephrase that then;
I find it funny that the ones who have been very vocal about wanting a metal HhKb case are now saying when one is avalible they don't want it and it's ugly.

^this makes me laugh what did you all expect for the first case? It's pretty impressive to see it

I restate my opinion of "lol" as I still am
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 17 October 2015, 08:55:55
For anyone confused why people are disappointed with the brick design. 

Here's a reminder of what the HHKB looks like.

Real HHKBs have curves

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5740/22246556765_4729fb2723_k.jpg)
Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/zTRqgx) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:00:15
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Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: a_ak57 on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:19:50
I find this highly amusing that everyone was whining wanting a HHKB metal type case for aaaaaages only for one to be made one comes out and no-one wants to buy it, lol just lol

I find it amusing that 10 people say it is ugly and you immediately lump them in with "everyone" and "no-one".
I find it amusing that you are "lol"ing.
Okay let me rephrase that then;
I find it funny that the ones who have been very vocal about wanting a metal HhKb case are now saying when one is avalible they don't want it and it's ugly.

^this makes me laugh what did you all expect for the first case? It's pretty impressive to see it

I restate my opinion of "lol" as I still am

I don't see your logic, honestly.  Just because people want a type of thing doesn't mean they should want whatever thing that gets made.  And this is actually a big deal because it likely kills any chance of us seeing a community-made case, something that actually would have feedback put into its design.  I mean, it already killed mistakemistake's project so I'm not even theorizing in that regard.

Personally, I'll mull over this since the brick is ugly (even if you can slope it with feet, it's still really thick), the hub placement seems weird and I really don't want to drop $200 without knowing how it affects the typing experience.  I don't like MD having rushed into this. 
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:33:36
I find this highly amusing that everyone was whining wanting a HHKB metal type case for aaaaaages only for one to be made one comes out and no-one wants to buy it, lol just lol

I find it amusing that 10 people say it is ugly and you immediately lump them in with "everyone" and "no-one".
I find it amusing that you are "lol"ing.
Okay let me rephrase that then;
I find it funny that the ones who have been very vocal about wanting a metal HhKb case are now saying when one is avalible they don't want it and it's ugly.

^this makes me laugh what did you all expect for the first case? It's pretty impressive to see it

I restate my opinion of "lol" as I still am
it's very cool that it got made, but People won't buy something just because it's made, it actually has to look somewhere close to what people want, plus we haven't seen any reviews , typing tests, or anything else.

I give them an A for effort, an F for when it comes to thinking about the design and what people actually want in the big picture of the design.


The look is part of the HHKBs appeal, just like how the viper was wanted, it had that look that people like.

People aren't willing to throw almost the cost of the HHKB itself just to get a case that people don't even like the look of.

For $200, it has to be more.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:40:17
I find this highly amusing that everyone was whining wanting a HHKB metal type case for aaaaaages only for one to be made one comes out and no-one wants to buy it, lol just lol

I find it amusing that 10 people say it is ugly and you immediately lump them in with "everyone" and "no-one".
I find it amusing that you are "lol"ing.
Okay let me rephrase that then;
I find it funny that the ones who have been very vocal about wanting a metal HhKb case are now saying when one is avalible they don't want it and it's ugly.

^this makes me laugh what did you all expect for the first case? It's pretty impressive to see it

I restate my opinion of "lol" as I still am

I don't see your logic, honestly.  Just because people want a type of thing doesn't mean they should want whatever thing that gets made. And this is actually a big deal because it likely kills any chance of us seeing a community-made case, something that actually would have feedback put into its design.  I mean, it already killed mistakemistake's project so I'm not even theorizing in that regard.

Personally, I'll mull over this since the brick is ugly (even if you can slope it with feet, it's still really thick), the hub placement seems weird and I really don't want to drop $200 without knowing how it affects the typing experience.  I don't like MD having rushed into this. 

Right on. And Air Tree, too.

How is this thing "pretty impressive", Fire Brand? What about it impresses you? Can you please stop your "lol"ing for two seconds and explain who EXACTLY has "been very vocal" about a metal case and shouldn't be unhappy that this thing is an abomination.

Or just post a pic of one of your toys. You can always fall back on that.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:44:39
Is it safe to say it's a brick because that's the cheapest shape to have made?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:47:08
Is it safe to say it's a brick because that's the cheapest shape to have made?

Yep.  Material and tooling costs would have increased to make a proper curved and sloped case like the HHKB, which apparently doesn't fit Massdrop's vision.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:48:23
Is it safe to say it's a brick because that's the cheapest shape to have made?
I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but making an incline and shaving off and smoothing off the edges of the case really add a lot of cost?


I'd be a bit warmer even if there was less of the extra girth on the edges, it looks off.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:50:40
Have there been shots of the inside?

 I'm curious how the internals are mounted that might shine some light on design choice

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:53:10
Have there been shots of the inside?

 I'm curious how the internals are mounted that might shine some light on design choice
This is the best shots we got.
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016140622_42acd1fc469a83b2.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-12212_20151016140622_da33fb1b338d7e33.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:53:24
Is it safe to say it's a brick because that's the cheapest shape to have made?
I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but making an incline and shaving off and smoothing off the edges of the case really add a lot of cost?

Yes.  You'd either have to have a greatly increased mill time where you kept the piece in the same position and milled the slope in, or (what actually happens in most case) you re-seat the block at an angle and mill the top "flat" which then has a slope.  Or they might have a crazy 6 axis mill or whatever that can just do that without repositioning.

Also, I don't know if people just missed it, but the HHKB actually has a proper curve to the top.  It's not just sloped.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ideus on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:53:42
I wish it sloped from back to front, and had some chamfering or other finishing along the edges. Nevertheless, it is an impressive product and a good price point.

Exactly!

I hate boxy looking aluminium case, just like the Digilog case.

It is ugly, wait, no sorry, it just looks like a brick, so it is brick-handsome.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: adamski07 on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:53:50
Is it safe to say it's a brick because that's the cheapest shape to have made?
I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but making an incline and shaving off and smoothing off the edges of the case really add a lot of cost?


I'd be a bit warmer even if there was less of the extra girth on the edges, it looks off.
You would need more than 3-axis cnc machine to fully replicate the hhkb case. Designing the 3D model wouldn't be easy as well. Plus you would need thicker alu plate at the beginning to achieve those curves which easily adds more to the total costs of producing one.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: a_ak57 on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:56:05
That's the thing though, if MD had worked with the community they could have been explaining what would happen if they were to go with a more HHKB-like design.  Tell us about the pricing/production time differences and there could have been a vote or something.  Maybe people would have been fine with increased price/production time, but we won't know now.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 17 October 2015, 10:06:28
That's the thing though, if MD had worked with the community they could have been explaining what would happen if they were to go with a more HHKB-like design.  Tell us about the pricing/production time differences and there could have been a vote or something.  Maybe people would have been fine with increased price/production time, but we won't know now.

That would have been the smart thing to do. Now instead we just watch and wait to see if enough people bite on them cutting corners (or lack of cutting corners :p ).
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: romevi on Sat, 17 October 2015, 10:42:49
Crap. I didn't even notice it was a brick.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Fire Brand on Sat, 17 October 2015, 10:48:02
-snip-
Right on. And Air Tree, too.

How is this thing "pretty impressive", Fire Brand? What about it impresses you? Can you please stop your "lol"ing for two seconds and explain who EXACTLY has "been very vocal" about a metal case and shouldn't be unhappy that this thing is an abomination.

Or just post a pic of one of your toys. You can always fall back on that.
Its pretty impressive something like this has even been made as many interest checks for this and ideas have already failed in the past so that impresses me, I personally don't mind the look of it my opinion I just find it nice and am impressed a HHKB case HAS BEEN MADE, not theorised as all the others but actually made, that in its self is impressing no matter what anyone says.

My "loling" is at most of those (Not picking on people but to name a few) Nubbs, Your self, and airtree for example shooting it instantly down without even having a review of it, maybe its the best thing ever? how would you know as you have yet to see it in action, anyway moving on I think just to see this even happen is a massive deal even if its via massdrop (I have no problem with them) yes the person who is creating this could of asked for community help, but it's there own vision of how it should look maybe everyone should be more frigging constructive in how it could be made better than what you did and post gif's.

TLDR; no matter what hhkb case gets made its not going to appeal to everyone.

as for your last comment what's wrong with me posting images of things I take enjoyment in and wish to share with people, I don't say anything about the stuff you post so you don't need to about mine unless it offends you, anyway if you want to talk more feel free to pm me, or even better join the teamspeak in my sig I'm always more than happy to talk to you.

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 17 October 2015, 11:05:56
If you notice in my post, I complained about any lack of reviews or thoughts on it, from an outside source. With something like this, a case should be sent to a reviewer.

In my opinion.


And just to point out, reddit, Geekhack, and MD comment section, most people are sharing the same thoughts on the matter, so it's not about appealing to everyone, it's more just appealing to the people who an HHKB case is aimed at.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Vizir on Sat, 17 October 2015, 11:18:37
wonder how an aluminum case would work with Hasu's BT mod...
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 17 October 2015, 11:36:09
removed.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: henz on Sat, 17 October 2015, 11:53:08
Just buy it! We need to hit moq :)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 17 October 2015, 12:23:34
Looks like a ****ed up lego block... Had me hype for a minute though... sigh
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ComradeSniper on Sat, 17 October 2015, 16:45:22
Shiiiiiit.

I was so excited at first, but this looks like crap. Part of me wants to get it anyway just to have an alu hhkb case, but damn, it's so unattractive.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Vizir on Sat, 17 October 2015, 18:28:17
Wish they had taken user input... Can't buy this
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ideus on Sat, 17 October 2015, 21:23:35
And this is the "air" version, imagine the "pro" one?


 :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: exitfire401 on Sat, 17 October 2015, 21:34:08
It actually looks like there are holes drilled possibly for the tex aluminum feet

edit: Scratch that...just reread the drop, and it DOES come with feet...dammit...now I want another HHKB....time to sell my 10AE  :p
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: keshley on Sat, 17 October 2015, 21:40:18
I don't mind that its flat, but seems incredibly thick (uhh, that's what she said?).

If I'm judging the dimensions correctly, its as tall as the back of a standard HHKB. Which makes it a no-go for me. OK, just measured, and it pretty much is as tall as the back of the HHKB case.

I was irritated at first - I pre-ordered a Surface Pro 4, so don't really have the funds for something like this right now. But, eh, the compromises (in my mind at least) just aren't worth it.

For reference: the case is 1.2 inches tall. The front of normal HHKB is under 3/4 of an inch tall, so its basically half an inch taller in front.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 18 October 2015, 01:42:09
By the way the description says it comes with feet for a flat or tilted profile.

I quite like it.  Actually I'd probably like a naked HHKB plastic case too :))

But I would prefer one in a similar shape to the conventional HHKB case - I have become too accustomed to mine as it is.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 18 October 2015, 03:46:46
By the way the description says it comes with feet for a flat or tilted profile.

I quite like it.  Actually I'd probably like a naked HHKB plastic case too :))

But I would prefer one in a similar shape to the conventional HHKB case - I have become too accustomed to mine as it is.

The funny thing is, if I bought this and transplanted a working HHKB into it, the first thing I'll do is hunt down all those mangina's in this thread and bash their fvcking heads in with my new keyboard brick.  I would choose a RED colour to mask all the blood that will be covering it  ;D .
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: henz on Sun, 18 October 2015, 03:50:15
By the way the description says it comes with feet for a flat or tilted profile.

I quite like it.  Actually I'd probably like a naked HHKB plastic case too :))

But I would prefer one in a similar shape to the conventional HHKB case - I have become too accustomed to mine as it is.

The funny thing is, if I bought this and transplanted a working HHKB into it, the first thing I'll do is hunt down all those mangina's in this thread and bash their fvcking heads in with my new keyboard brick.  I would choose a RED colour to mask all the blood that will be covering it  ;D .

+1
Although, mine is going to be champagne. I totally won't be denying anything :)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 18 October 2015, 07:31:52

By the way the description says it comes with feet for a flat or tilted profile.

I quite like it.  Actually I'd probably like a naked HHKB plastic case too :))

But I would prefer one in a similar shape to the conventional HHKB case - I have become too accustomed to mine as it is.

The funny thing is, if I bought this and transplanted a working HHKB into it, the first thing I'll do is hunt down all those mangina's in this thread and bash their fvcking heads in with my new keyboard brick.  I would choose a RED colour to mask all the blood that will be covering it  ;D .

I'd get the first shot in with my 4704 107-key. You don't stand a chance.

Keep your ugly HHKB case out of my house.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Sun, 18 October 2015, 07:35:00
In  all honesty I dont like the case but I'm excited for future cases for the hhkb.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 18 October 2015, 08:58:41

By the way the description says it comes with feet for a flat or tilted profile.

I quite like it.  Actually I'd probably like a naked HHKB plastic case too :))

But I would prefer one in a similar shape to the conventional HHKB case - I have become too accustomed to mine as it is.

The funny thing is, if I bought this and transplanted a working HHKB into it, the first thing I'll do is hunt down all those mangina's in this thread and bash their fvcking heads in with my new keyboard brick.  I would choose a RED colour to mask all the blood that will be covering it  ;D .

I'd get the first shot in with my 4704 107-key. You don't stand a chance.

Keep your ugly HHKB case out of my house.

I don't care McBain... .that .. that cannon of yours is against regulation!

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Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ideus on Sun, 18 October 2015, 09:33:53
Quality assurance commitment: This new HHKB brick case will turn your thock into a solid knock, your handsome friend into a hulk; if that were not enough, this case will take all the ergonomics of your HHKB out, or we give you a full refund.

Design philosophy: We do not ask you, because you do not know what you want in a HHKB case, we cannot care less about what you think; because we know the future, and what innovation is; therefore, for the sake of you own benefit we have designed exactly what you do not know that you want.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 18 October 2015, 09:42:20
Here it is with the feet for a tilted surface:

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Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Sun, 18 October 2015, 10:26:35
Here it is with the feet for a tilted surface:

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Lmao good one.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: madhias on Sun, 18 October 2015, 15:06:05
The case is ugly, what were they thinking?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ideus on Sun, 18 October 2015, 15:12:21
The case is ugly, what were they thinking?

Maybe that buyers are blind.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 19 October 2015, 03:29:48
The case is ugly, what were they thinking?

Maybe that buyers are blind.

Maybe the more appropriate question would be that the HHKB design is so disgusting to look at, no matter what casing it resides in.

It's more like a remote control layout rather than being a REAL keyboard at all.  Yet the suckers who bought the original HHKB seem bereft of any sense of reality, when handing over $300+ for an all plastic joke keyboard for dummies.

Glad I kept using an authentic keyboard layout rather than some foolish arrangement for 'special people'  :-* .
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 19 October 2015, 03:33:39
The case is ugly, what were they thinking?

Maybe that buyers are blind.

Maybe the more appropriate question would be that the HHKB design is so disgusting to look at, no matter what casing it resides in.

It's more like a remote control layout rather than being a REAL keyboard at all.  Yet the suckers who bought the original HHKB seem bereft of any sense of reality, when handing over $300+ for an all plastic joke keyboard for dummies.

Glad I kept using an authentic keyboard layout rather than some foolish arrangement for 'special people'  :-* .
Blasphemy! How dare you insult HHKB, the mother of all keyboards, you, you, you Cherry peasant, you! :P
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: sth on Mon, 19 October 2015, 03:43:45
buzz, your hhkb case... woof.

cant wait for people to start ruining their HHKB sliders by running plastic in a metal barrel. absolutely no thought put into this product at all... just proft motive.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 19 October 2015, 04:33:55
The case is ugly, what were they thinking?

Maybe that buyers are blind.

Maybe the more appropriate question would be that the HHKB design is so disgusting to look at, no matter what casing it resides in.

It's more like a remote control layout rather than being a REAL keyboard at all.  Yet the suckers who bought the original HHKB seem bereft of any sense of reality, when handing over $300+ for an all plastic joke keyboard for dummies.

Glad I kept using an authentic keyboard layout rather than some foolish arrangement for 'special people'  :-* .

some dirty convicts just can't appreciate the finer things in life  :))
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: DanielT on Mon, 19 October 2015, 05:12:44
This case is just plain **** , I don't think there is anything to be said about it. I like the HHKB just the way it is, if it were for an alu case, and it's something I really don't feel HHKB needs, it should be something slender with curves and not a **** brick. 
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 19 October 2015, 06:47:09
some dirty convicts just can't appreciate the finer things in life  :))

All you really need is some fine ass and loads of 10th Anniversaries, everything else is just plain, poorly made garbage masquerading as something 'special'  ;) .

HHKB is a joke everyone has heard already except for the suckers who bought into it........
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: saturnotaku on Mon, 19 October 2015, 09:12:46
All you really need is some fine ass and loads of 10th Anniversaries

With or without a warped case?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: MJ45 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 09:47:33
some dirty convicts just can't appreciate the finer things in life  :))

All you really need is some fine ass and loads of 10th Anniversaries, everything else is just plain, poorly made garbage masquerading as something 'special'  ;) .

HHKB is a joke everyone has heard already except for the suckers who bought into it........
The 10th Anniversaries are the joke that costs $200 more than a current RF 87, for a long past Topre anniversary.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: kturnbull on Mon, 19 October 2015, 10:40:35
Buying one. Cause if anything... if the MD fails... we might never see a revised. I'll eat the cash for prototyping fees.

Been waiting on an alu hhkb case for too many years to wuss out now. I have to at least *try* it. Might be a waste of 200$... but I can live with that.

EDIT: Not to mention.... I *have* a buddy with a 6 axis... willing to make me one... but the machine time is AMAZING... Alu would be like 900$ for the original case style. BUT!!! Redesigning the bottom half of THIS case... would be incredibly cheap (compared). The top portion is really what I want/need. I can redo the bottom to slanted if need be.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 19 October 2015, 10:43:12
FWIW, I'm getting my hands on the case for a review.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: btctopre on Mon, 19 October 2015, 10:55:12
FWIW, I'm getting my hands on the case for a review.
Review from objective, competent person ✓

The fate of this drop rests in your hands~
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Evo_Spec on Mon, 19 October 2015, 10:56:42
FWIW, I'm getting my hands on the case for a review.

Are you getting it before the drop ends? or do you mean you're buying one from this drop to review?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 19 October 2015, 10:57:45
I'm getting the one in the picture on Massdrop. I think that's the prototype. I'm not sure of the date I'll have it in hand yet.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Evo_Spec on Mon, 19 October 2015, 11:15:35
I'm getting the one in the picture on Massdrop. I think that's the prototype. I'm not sure of the date I'll have it in hand yet.

Although i don't have an HHKB i still look forward to seeing your review.
I know many people here have been waiting for a metal case so it's disappointing to see how this one turned out.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 October 2015, 11:18:25
FWIW, I'm getting my hands on the case for a review.
Review from objective, competent person ✓

The fate of this drop rests in your hands~
But he doesn't even like Topre :P :D
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 October 2015, 11:26:38
FWIW, I'm getting my hands on the case for a review.
Review from objective, competent person ✓

The fate of this drop rests in your hands~
But he doesn't even like Topre :P :D

Yeah, exactly.  Or maybe we just have to interpret the review exactly opposite of what CPT says?  :))

"Topre still sucks" = "This case preserves the heavenly thock of Topre"
"Wow, this thing actually makes Topre feel nice!" = "Don't buy this, it will ruin Topre for you"
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 19 October 2015, 11:29:05
This case didn't let me shove Alps into it

-12/10
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Sed8op8 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 11:44:44
This case didn't let me shove Alps into it

-12/10
I lol'ed of course that's what you would find went wrong with it <3
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 19 October 2015, 11:51:32
Even though that CPTALPSFANBOI is reviewing it, I still trust him.

Then $20 says he ends up using it as a penholder. It is gonna be holding lots of pens soon.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 19 October 2015, 11:53:05
This case didn't let me shove Alps into it

-12/10

Lol :))
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 19 October 2015, 11:56:15
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: atlas3686 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 12:33:55
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.

Somebody get this guy a nice CAD file! Problem with the MD case is its not very nice looking, don't need CpT to tell me that...

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 19 October 2015, 12:55:29
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.

Somebody get this guy a nice CAD file! Problem with the MD case is its not very nice looking, don't need CpT to tell me that...

People in the other thread were saying just a scan of the current case would be fine. Doesn't need to be fancy, just a metal version of what we have now.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: inanis on Mon, 19 October 2015, 12:56:15
Then $20 says he ends up using it as a penholder. It is gonna be holding lots of pens soon.

This is actually a fabulous idea!



This I can tell you, I got a sample of one of the wood cases that MD has been selling by Royal Glam (this is just speculation, but a I think all these recent CNC'd case offerings are from the same company), and the manufacturer certainly cut corners with the wood cases. I assume, as others have pointed out, that the reason this is a block instead of keeping true to the HHKB form factor is to save on CNCing time and costs.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:00:37
We don't need an aluminium HHKB case, we need a wood one.


a wooden HHKB would be amazing.  :eek:
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:02:48
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.

I fully support this, but you should really make a separate thread, both to keep the info organized and to avoid heading off topic in these threads. :thumb:

This I can tell you, I got a sample of one of the wood cases that MD has been selling by Royal Glam (this is just speculation, but a I think all these recent CNC'd case offerings are from the same company), and the manufacturer certainly cut corners with the wood cases. I assume, as others have pointed out, that the reason this is a block instead of keeping true to the HHKB form factor is to save on CNCing time and costs.

I just don't get it.  If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case.  We need dat curve + slope.  ^-^
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:09:59
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.

I fully support this, but you should really make a separate thread, both to keep the info organized and to avoid heading off topic in these threads. :thumb:

Done. This is an IC for people who want a more traditional alu case.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76196.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76196.0)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: inanis on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:13:02
We don't need an aluminium HHKB case, we need a wood one.


a wooden HHKB would be amazing.  :eek:

Them barrels make it hard out of wood. :( I'd love to try it though!


I just don't get it.  If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case.  We need dat curve + slope.  ^-^

I suspect it is so they can sell something at a premium price and hope people won't notice the flaws. I don't mean MD either, or just MD I guess. I think MD takes a lot of the manufactures word on what is good, because they may not have the most in depth knowledge on the subject. They see people want an aluminum HHKB case and work with someone overseas to make that happen. They rely a lot on that vendor to get it right. It would be better if they could get more feedback on what people really want in a case like this. There is so much love for the styling of the HHKB, it didn't have to be changed to this blocky form.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:27:19
I just don't get it.  If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case.  We need dat curve + slope.  ^-^

I suspect it is so they can sell something at a premium price and hope people won't notice the flaws. I don't mean MD either, or just MD I guess. I think MD takes a lot of the manufactures word on what is good, because they may not have the most in depth knowledge on the subject. They see people want an aluminum HHKB case and work with someone overseas to make that happen. They rely a lot on that vendor to get it right. It would be better if they could get more feedback on what people really want in a case like this. There is so much love for the styling of the HHKB, it didn't have to be changed to this blocky form.

This is another thing I don't understand, then.  They could easily get a Vendor account here on geekhack and solicit advice from users to make their products better, just like every other Vendor registered here.  Or I guess they can just keep making stuff and hoping we like it...?

(I know you don't know the answer to this, I'm just venting in response)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:30:14
This is another thing I don't understand, then.  They could easily get a Vendor account here on geekhack and solicit advice from users to make their products better, just like every other Vendor registered here.  Or I guess they can just keep making stuff and hoping we like it...?

(I know you don't know the answer to this, I'm just venting in response)
While it may not be the case (no pun) for the HHKB, in most other cases regular users of GH are a minority when compared to the legions of people who spam-**** the MD forums with "will this fit my pok3r?". I would guess we're just not that much of a priority.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:34:30
This is another thing I don't understand, then.  They could easily get a Vendor account here on geekhack and solicit advice from users to make their products better, just like every other Vendor registered here.  Or I guess they can just keep making stuff and hoping we like it...?

(I know you don't know the answer to this, I'm just venting in response)
While it may not be the case (no pun) for the HHKB, in most other cases regular users of GH are a minority when compared to the legions of people who spam-**** the MD forums with "will this fit my pok3r?". I would guess we're just not that much of a priority.

Yeah, they're able to sell their stuff without our input, but what if our input would make it better?  Why throw away that potential input?  Just seems silly to me.  The only thing you really have to do to be a Vendor is not **** people over and have a legitimate business.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: inanis on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:35:01
This is another thing I don't understand, then.  They could easily get a Vendor account here on geekhack and solicit advice from users to make their products better, just like every other Vendor registered here.  Or I guess they can just keep making stuff and hoping we like it...?

(I know you don't know the answer to this, I'm just venting in response)

It is interesting isn't it? I know that there is no love loss between a majority of GH and MD, but instead of partaking the community and working with us (and I don't just mean GH, but Reddit, DT or whomever else) to make something cool they often take the ideas and go full speed ahead with their partners overseas. That isn't always the case of course, but anyone would be lying if they said that didn't happen.

I don't think their intentions are always bad, but sometimes they way they go about it is questionable. It would be great if that could change since likely everyone could benefit from it.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:37:06
This is another thing I don't understand, then.  They could easily get a Vendor account here on geekhack and solicit advice from users to make their products better, just like every other Vendor registered here.  Or I guess they can just keep making stuff and hoping we like it...?

(I know you don't know the answer to this, I'm just venting in response)

It is interesting isn't it? I know that there is no love loss between a majority of GH and MD, but instead of partaking the community and working with us (and I don't just mean GH, but Reddit, DT or whomever else) to make something cool they often take the ideas and go full speed ahead with their partners overseas. That isn't always the case of course, but anyone would be lying if they said that didn't happen.

I don't think their intentions are always bad, but sometimes they way they go about it is questionable. It would be great if that could change since likely everyone could benefit from it.

Exactly.  I'm itching to give them money for an HHKB case!  Sadly, this isn't the one for me.  It's a shame, but they would know that if they bothered to ask.  ;)

I'd gladly pay double the asking price for this case if the case were properly designed.  I hope you heard that, Massdrop.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:54:54
At this point I'm just hoping MD has actually been reading the comments for the drop (and here/elsewhere too) and are taking things to heart.  That way if they don't end up pushing a lot of units, they'll understand it's because there are a number of people unhappy with their approach rather than "oh guess people don't actually want an aluminum HHKB case" and maybe they'll try again some day with a design that doesn't suck.  And I would hope they'll learn a lesson not just for this but for niche projects in general:  reach out to the community first. 
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Dreamre on Mon, 19 October 2015, 14:22:43
I'd prefer one with a built in slope similar with the KMAC Happy and the KMAC2.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: MJ45 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 14:52:27
I would like to see PFU reissue (remake) the HHKB HG and have it available in-the USA. I would buy one in a heartbeat (the non urushi golddust caps). I'm sure their are many others that would if PFU made them again.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 19 October 2015, 14:54:27
I would like to see PFU reissue (remake) the HHKB HG and have it available in-the USA. I would buy one in a heartbeat (the non urushi golddust caps). I'm sure their are many others that would if PFU made them again.

Start a snail-mail campaign!
http://www.pfusystems.com/embedded-keyboard/hhkb/contact.html
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: btctopre on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:03:59
I would like to see PFU reissue (remake) the HHKB HG and have it available in-the USA. I would buy one in a heartbeat (the non urushi golddust caps). I'm sure their are many others that would if PFU made them again.
IIRC the vanilla HG was around $2,250, so... kind of a tough sell even as incredible as that case is.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: keshley on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:13:43
We don't need an aluminium HHKB case, we need a wood one.


a wooden HHKB would be amazing.  :eek:

Don't spoil my surprise!


I mean uhhhh... yeah, somebody should totally try their hand at a wood HHKB case  :blank:
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Bromono on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:25:07
This is very similar to the digilog case, which I like!

I think I am going to buy one!

I do agree that I wish It looked like the stock HHKB case. Kinda like the Duck Viper. But I also know how hard it is to work with metal and I am willing to give it a try.

I think it will still look really good! Especially when people start throwing Bunny's Sliders in there and putting some awesome caps on.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: keshley on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:28:58
Since so many people are talking about throwing on sliders, let me just point out something:

The two holes needing drilled out for the Novatouch sliders are dual purpose: they also allow the keycap stems to drop below the mounting surface, so you can, you know, actually depress the keys.

So, even with the JTK sliders, the MX return and shift keys still won't work without modification to the keycaps themselves.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:44:20
Since so many people are talking about throwing on sliders, let me just point out something:

The two holes needing drilled out for the Novatouch sliders are dual purpose: they also allow the keycap stems to drop below the mounting surface, so you can, you know, actually depress the keys.

So, even with the JTK sliders, the MX return and shift keys still won't work without modification to the keycaps themselves.

I already mentioned that.  :D  Or are there people saying you can still use the sliders without the holes?  Not sure exactly who you're responding to here.  :)

Also, WTF why would you not mill out the Novatouch stabilizer holes??  Ugh
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: keshley on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:46:45
Since so many people are talking about throwing on sliders, let me just point out something:

The two holes needing drilled out for the Novatouch sliders are dual purpose: they also allow the keycap stems to drop below the mounting surface, so you can, you know, actually depress the keys.

So, even with the JTK sliders, the MX return and shift keys still won't work without modification to the keycaps themselves.

I already mentioned that.  :D  Or are there people saying you can still use the sliders without the holes?  Not sure exactly who you're responding to here.  :)

Also, WTF why would you not mill out the Novatouch stabilizer holes??  Ugh

Might have skimmed over it. Just wanted to make sure people didn't think the holes were just for the sliders.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:52:36
Random thought - if making the top half of the case is the difficult part, can you use the Massdrop case top, and have someone machine a case bottom with an incline?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: keshley on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:56:50
Random thought - if making the top half of the case is the difficult part, can you use the Massdrop case top, and have someone machine a case bottom with an incline?

Absolutely. Don't technically even need the bottom part for the case to function, but that has obvious drawbacks. I'd like to see dimensions of the top portion though, before committing to such a course.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 19 October 2015, 18:35:01
The 10th Anniversaries are the joke that costs $200 more than a current RF 87, for a long past Topre anniversary.

The Biggest joke are morons thinking a tiny all plastic HHKB calculator (with no lcd) is worth around $300, LOL  :)) .

You could still snap it in half due to it's flimsy construction which goes to show, make something sub-standard and market it as a "Hacker's Keyboard"  and watch all the ignorant dweebs flock to it.

Just like Gaming mice that Razer make, again morons thinking that owning them would make them superior gamers, unfortunately it doesn't  ::) .
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 19 October 2015, 18:44:57
Meh, I borrowed Type S expecting to hate it and fell in love with it.  Say what you will about the price, but it's, IMO, the best Topre board out there and one of my favorite feeling boards.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: jonathanyu on Mon, 19 October 2015, 20:34:13
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.

I fully support this, but you should really make a separate thread, both to keep the info organized and to avoid heading off topic in these threads. :thumb:

This I can tell you, I got a sample of one of the wood cases that MD has been selling by Royal Glam (this is just speculation, but a I think all these recent CNC'd case offerings are from the same company), and the manufacturer certainly cut corners with the wood cases. I assume, as others have pointed out, that the reason this is a block instead of keeping true to the HHKB form factor is to save on CNCing time and costs.

I just don't get it.  If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case.  We need dat curve + slope.  ^-^
hoffman, can you explain the curve a little bit? I understand the slope but cant really understand the curve.. :-\ (you know, i don't have any topre board yet)
Is the pcb also curve or just the case?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: AKIMbO on Mon, 19 October 2015, 21:08:55
Forget you guys....I'm buying one in silver. Will transfer my Type-S into it and review.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 October 2015, 23:48:31
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.

I fully support this, but you should really make a separate thread, both to keep the info organized and to avoid heading off topic in these threads. :thumb:

This I can tell you, I got a sample of one of the wood cases that MD has been selling by Royal Glam (this is just speculation, but a I think all these recent CNC'd case offerings are from the same company), and the manufacturer certainly cut corners with the wood cases. I assume, as others have pointed out, that the reason this is a block instead of keeping true to the HHKB form factor is to save on CNCing time and costs.

I just don't get it.  If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case.  We need dat curve + slope.  ^-^
hoffman, can you explain the curve a little bit? I understand the slope but cant really understand the curve.. :-\ (you know, i don't have any topre board yet)
Is the pcb also curve or just the case?

The case has a very subtle curve to it.  I actually didn't realize there was a curve until I took a closer look a few days ago.  It's just the case; the PCB is flat.

There are really a lot more angles to this case than you'd expect.

(http://i.imgur.com/D2I9D0a.jpg)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 20 October 2015, 02:42:23
I'm getting the one in the picture on Massdrop. I think that's the prototype. I'm not sure of the date I'll have it in hand yet.

I'd recommend reviewing it before/after krytox application. I suspect the metal will wear the stems (like we see in heavily used hall effect KBs) but we won't know until long-term users weigh in.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 20 October 2015, 04:54:58
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.

I fully support this, but you should really make a separate thread, both to keep the info organized and to avoid heading off topic in these threads. :thumb:

This I can tell you, I got a sample of one of the wood cases that MD has been selling by Royal Glam (this is just speculation, but a I think all these recent CNC'd case offerings are from the same company), and the manufacturer certainly cut corners with the wood cases. I assume, as others have pointed out, that the reason this is a block instead of keeping true to the HHKB form factor is to save on CNCing time and costs.

I just don't get it.  If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case.  We need dat curve + slope.  ^-^
hoffman, can you explain the curve a little bit? I understand the slope but cant really understand the curve.. :-\ (you know, i don't have any topre board yet)
Is the pcb also curve or just the case?

The case has a very subtle curve to it.  I actually didn't realize there was a curve until I took a closer look a few days ago.  It's just the case; the PCB is flat.

There are really a lot more angles to this case than you'd expect.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/D2I9D0a.jpg)


#realkeyboardshavecurves
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 20 October 2015, 05:04:55
#realkeyboardshavecurves

LOL  :)) :)) :)) :))

Considering a HHKB isn't a real keyboard to begin with.....
 
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: beehatch on Tue, 20 October 2015, 05:44:06
#realkeyboardshavecurves

LOL  :)) :)) :)) :))

Considering a HHKB isn't a real keyboard to begin with.....

Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: osi on Tue, 20 October 2015, 06:47:13
#realkeyboardshavecurves

LOL  :)) :)) :)) :))

Considering a HHKB isn't a real keyboard to begin with.....

Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.

lol!!
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: btctopre on Tue, 20 October 2015, 07:15:39
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.
Four posts a day for four years, he has mastered the art of the ****post.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 20 October 2015, 07:24:22
#realkeyboardshavecurves

LOL  :)) :)) :)) :))

Considering a HHKB isn't a real keyboard to begin with.....

Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.

ArcherThankYou.gif
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Lurch on Tue, 20 October 2015, 08:01:38
Forget you guys....I'm buying one in silver. Will transfer my Type-S into it and review.

myyyyyy heeeerrrrroooooooo
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: romevi on Tue, 20 October 2015, 08:24:22
Forget you guys....I'm buying one in silver. Will transfer my Type-S into it and review.

myyyyyy heeeerrrrroooooooo
Curses. Foiled again.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 20 October 2015, 12:16:09
removed.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 20 October 2015, 12:19:25
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.
Four posts a day for four years, he has mastered the art of the ****post.

she

elrick is a dude
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 20 October 2015, 12:32:04
removed.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Tue, 20 October 2015, 14:45:42
So there are 8 people that ordered one but the only person I know of is LSB

Unless akimbo actually ordered one.

The cpt is getting the prototype red one.

I think this just goes to show that a custom third party case for the HHKB, something people have wanted for a long time, can be thoroughly ruined by poor design.
Considering they do have a prototype, didn't they think to get feedback on it first?
Make a few, send them to more prominent members (Cpt, etc) BEFORE the group buy. (But Cpt, I thought you hated topre)

Even if the case turns out well and works well, it's still overly bulky for me and I like having my HHKB with the feet up.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: henz on Tue, 20 October 2015, 14:50:51
i passed on this now :( had to get the 456 gt from HT and now im broke :P
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: btctopre on Tue, 20 October 2015, 16:23:10
The longer they go without saying anything, the more likely I am to skip out on it. It's like they said "HERE'S YOUR ALUMINUM KEYBOARD HHKB FANSTRAIGHTS, ENJOY!" and that's it. Now the drop is almost up to 100 comments, and there has only been one real employee reply that addressed anything (the colors, using photos from a different case, and even then we still don't know what green or champagne look like). It's like instead of easing our concerns with thought-out replies or pictures, they're relying solely on an outside party (CptBA) to indirectly sell the drop for them.

It's sad that they put more effort into explaining the backstory of the drop, than the details of the drop itself. At least some good might come of this in the form of capable members working together to move beyond the previous vaporware and generate a legitimate HHKB case GB.


Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 20 October 2015, 16:28:01
Wow...the conspiracy is thick in here. What if I said I just asked to review it? Maybe I'm not the only one reviewing the prototype either.

A wise man once said, "chill fam".
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 20 October 2015, 16:29:44
I'm getting the one in the picture on Massdrop. I think that's the prototype. I'm not sure of the date I'll have it in hand yet.

I'd recommend reviewing it before/after krytox application. I suspect the metal will wear the stems (like we see in heavily used hall effect KBs) but we won't know until long-term users weigh in.

I would wager that you're right.  If you're willing to put a little work in, you should be able to bond Molybdenum Disulfide to the case and have a nice dry lube on the case that would reduce friction wear.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 20 October 2015, 16:36:56
At the rate that this is moving, it might not even reach mmq
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Tue, 20 October 2015, 16:55:59
Wow...the conspiracy is thick in here. What if I said I just asked to review it? Maybe I'm not the only one reviewing the prototype either.

A wise man once said, "chill fam".

Even then. There aren't any reviews now that I can see. They could have easily sent out prototypes for review before the drop to get feedback on it similar to how they fixed the text on the K727 after reviewers got early units before the GB shipped.

At this point if they deliver something completely different than what's being shown then I'm sure some people will be angry.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 20 October 2015, 17:55:03
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.

A Mangina suddenly wants me to stop, dream on sunshine  8) .  Just get use to it......
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 20 October 2015, 18:08:05
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.

A Mangina suddenly wants me to stop, dream on sunshine  8) .  Just get use to it......
I honestly had to look up what exactly a mangina is, and yet I'm still confused.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 20 October 2015, 18:37:32
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.

A Mangina suddenly wants me to stop, dream on sunshine  8) .  Just get use to it......

Okay let's cut the personal attacks in here.  If you really want to attack someone for wanting you to stop threadcrapping, take it somewhere else.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: MJ45 on Tue, 20 October 2015, 19:09:23
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.

A Mangina suddenly wants me to stop, dream on sunshine  8) .  Just get use to it......

Okay let's cut the personal attacks in here.  If you really want to attack someone for wanting you to stop threadcrapping, take it somewhere else.
Start a new "Personal Attack/HHKB hate drama" thread :p
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 20 October 2015, 19:10:45
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.

A Mangina suddenly wants me to stop, dream on sunshine  8) .  Just get use to it......

Okay let's cut the personal attacks in here.  If you really want to attack someone for wanting you to stop threadcrapping, take it somewhere else.

How could it be a 'personal attack' if you lot here on GH Central, have no idea what it means? 

Okay, just to not ruffle anymore feathers on the HHKB crowd here I shall cease, but I'm calling your mummies to come pick you up from GH daycare as soon as possible  ;D .
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: romevi on Tue, 20 October 2015, 19:17:31
Can you just shut the **** up already? We get it. You don't like it.

A Mangina suddenly wants me to stop, dream on sunshine  8) .  Just get use to it......

Okay let's cut the personal attacks in here.  If you really want to attack someone for wanting you to stop threadcrapping, take it somewhere else.

How could it be a 'personal attack' if you lot here on GH Central, have no idea what it means? 

Okay, just to not ruffle anymore feathers on the HHKB crowd here I shall cease, but I'm calling your mummies to come pick you up from GH daycare as soon as possible  ;D .
Huh. I always thought Elrick's "incendiary" posts were just tolerated.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 20 October 2015, 19:19:12
Elrick, surely you can put on your big boy pants and quit being immature?


And, yes I've heard the expression mangina before, just not in the context that you used it in.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: inanis on Tue, 20 October 2015, 19:39:14
The longer they go without saying anything, the more likely I am to skip out on it. It's like they said "HERE'S YOUR ALUMINUM KEYBOARD HHKB FANSTRAIGHTS, ENJOY!" and that's it. Now the drop is almost up to 100 comments, and there has only been one real employee reply that addressed anything (the colors, using photos from a different case, and even then we still don't know what green or champagne look like). It's like instead of easing our concerns with thought-out replies or pictures, they're relying solely on an outside party (CptBA) to indirectly sell the drop for them.

It's sad that they put more effort into explaining the backstory of the drop, than the details of the drop itself. At least some good might come of this in the form of capable members working together to move beyond the previous vaporware and generate a legitimate HHKB case GB.

FWIW, they sent me a prototype of a case before full well knowing that I was going to think it wasn't good. They weren't looking for me to tell people it was awesome, they wanted someone that could provide insight as to why people kept saying it was ****ty. I was also pretty vocal in the discussion section before they ever offered. 

Now, one could argue that they are going to take the advice that I may have provided and tell the vendor how to fix it, and therefore take potential business away from me, since I also happen to make the same product. The untrusting, conspiracy ridden side of me me certainly thought this. However, I have chosen to believe that what I make will be better no matter what, because I'm focused on making things the best it can be, not the quickest, cheapest, or most profitable.

You have to remember that these guys at MD are there to run a business, they are not necessarily experts. These guys might be familiar with keyboards, but they aren't using an HHKB everyday. The don't know what makes a good CNC'd case beyond the basics. I'm not saying MD is altruistic in their motivations. But I don't think they had any realistic expectation that CPT was going to sell GH on a case that thus far has not gotten high praise. If anything, I'm guessing they are soliciting advice via payment of a case to figure out what can be done better. If they were expecting anymore than that, they are surely going to be disappointed.

I mean, we ***** that they don't listen to the community. Then they reach out to the community for feedback, and we ***** about that. I understand the reasons why, but maybe they really *do* want "our" opinion.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: jonathanyu on Tue, 20 October 2015, 19:52:48
Thought I'd mention it in this thread as well. We've talked about it a bit in mistake's thread, but if someone can send my a CAD file for a minimalist HHKB case, I might be able to get a couple milled at my local shop for not ridiculously expensive.

I fully support this, but you should really make a separate thread, both to keep the info organized and to avoid heading off topic in these threads. :thumb:

This I can tell you, I got a sample of one of the wood cases that MD has been selling by Royal Glam (this is just speculation, but a I think all these recent CNC'd case offerings are from the same company), and the manufacturer certainly cut corners with the wood cases. I assume, as others have pointed out, that the reason this is a block instead of keeping true to the HHKB form factor is to save on CNCing time and costs.

I just don't get it.  If you want to save cost, give us an aluminum cast case.  We need dat curve + slope.  ^-^
hoffman, can you explain the curve a little bit? I understand the slope but cant really understand the curve.. :-\ (you know, i don't have any topre board yet)
Is the pcb also curve or just the case?

The case has a very subtle curve to it.  I actually didn't realize there was a curve until I took a closer look a few days ago.  It's just the case; the PCB is flat.

There are really a lot more angles to this case than you'd expect.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/D2I9D0a.jpg)

get it now, didn't notice the case is curved before  :eek:
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 20 October 2015, 20:41:57
So there are 8 people that ordered one but the only person I know of is LSB

Unless akimbo actually ordered one.

The cpt is getting the prototype red one.

I think this just goes to show that a custom third party case for the HHKB, something people have wanted for a long time, can be thoroughly ruined by poor design.
Considering they do have a prototype, didn't they think to get feedback on it first?
Make a few, send them to more prominent members (Cpt, etc) BEFORE the group buy. (But Cpt, I thought you hated topre)

Even if the case turns out well and works well, it's still overly bulky for me and I like having my HHKB with the feet up.

I ordered one in black just a minute ago so the total should be up to 8. Idk what the moq is for production though.

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Tue, 20 October 2015, 22:15:29
So there are 8 people that ordered one but the only person I know of is LSB

Unless akimbo actually ordered one.

The cpt is getting the prototype red one.

I think this just goes to show that a custom third party case for the HHKB, something people have wanted for a long time, can be thoroughly ruined by poor design.
Considering they do have a prototype, didn't they think to get feedback on it first?
Make a few, send them to more prominent members (Cpt, etc) BEFORE the group buy. (But Cpt, I thought you hated topre)

Even if the case turns out well and works well, it's still overly bulky for me and I like having my HHKB with the feet up.
20 units needed, 8 sold, 7 days to go of the total 12 days. They probably will try and extend it to get the MOQ.



I ordered one in black just a minute ago so the total should be up to 8. Idk what the moq is for production though.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 21 October 2015, 08:58:29
I mean, we ***** that they don't listen to the community. Then they reach out to the community for feedback, and we ***** about that. I understand the reasons why, but maybe they really *do* want "our" opinion.

The problem is that they're reaching out too late.  That's great if you guys tell them why their case sucks and they go "oh, guess we've learned something" but the fact is they're still running a drop for a product we don't want because they did things stupidly.  And if they do end up doing a drop later on for a case that is actually good, it's kinda unfair to those who are just gonna buy this one thinking there may not be another choice since frankly community projects aren't anything to bank on and there's no guarantee MD will go back to the drawing board.  And never mind design, there's even the basic things like not even showing all the colors they're offering and the fact they want to sell this to us without providing relevant info like how affects the feel and stuff.

They basically handled it as poorly as possible.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: inanis on Wed, 21 October 2015, 09:04:32
I mean, we ***** that they don't listen to the community. Then they reach out to the community for feedback, and we ***** about that. I understand the reasons why, but maybe they really *do* want "our" opinion.

The problem is that they're reaching out too late.  That's great if you guys tell them why their case sucks and they go "oh, guess we've learned something" but the fact is they're still running a drop for a product we don't want because they did things stupidly.  And if they do end up doing a drop later on for a case that is actually good, it's kinda unfair to those who are just gonna buy this one thinking there may not be another choice since frankly community projects aren't anything to bank on and there's no guarantee MD will go back to the drawing board.  And never mind design, there's even the basic things like not even showing all the colors they're offering and the fact they want to sell this to us without providing relevant info like how affects the feel and stuff.

They basically handled it as poorly as possible.

I agree with everything you have said here. I guess the optimism I have is that they will learn from these mistakes and get more community feedback up front. Also, I think there should be an expectation that if you are buying a first gen product it will improve going forward. It shouldn't be complete **** at first either, but it isn't likely to never change for the better.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ideus on Wed, 21 October 2015, 09:17:14
I mean, we ***** that they don't listen to the community. Then they reach out to the community for feedback, and we ***** about that. I understand the reasons why, but maybe they really *do* want "our" opinion.

The problem is that they're reaching out too late.  That's great if you guys tell them why their case sucks and they go "oh, guess we've learned something" but the fact is they're still running a drop for a product we don't want because they did things stupidly.  And if they do end up doing a drop later on for a case that is actually good, it's kinda unfair to those who are just gonna buy this one thinking there may not be another choice since frankly community projects aren't anything to bank on and there's no guarantee MD will go back to the drawing board.  And never mind design, there's even the basic things like not even showing all the colors they're offering and the fact they want to sell this to us without providing relevant info like how affects the feel and stuff.

They basically handled it as poorly as possible.

I agree with everything you have said here. I guess the optimism I have is that they will learn from these mistakes and get more community feedback up front. Also, I think there should be an expectation that if you are buying a first gen product it will improve going forward. It shouldn't be complete **** at first either, but it isn't likely to never change for the better.

MD learning at the customer's expenses is great for them, it is not for the consumer.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: inanis on Wed, 21 October 2015, 09:35:26
MD learning at the customer's expenses is great for them, it is not for the consumer.

Indeed, it never is. However, no one is forcing anyone to buy this. I sure as hell wouldn't! If people buy this because they want it, and they are making an informed decision on the good and bad, that is what is most important. In this drop (and some others) MD needs to have better communication to make sure that is the case. What the consumer should be doing in situations like this, and to a large part are, is saying No! rather than buying into it and giving MD experience at unfortunate expense to the customer. They, just like anyone, should learn from their failures, not just their success.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: btctopre on Wed, 21 October 2015, 09:44:20
well- the chinese GB isn't drawing any interest, and i'm not seeing any mention of the case on some of the korean forums, so it does at least appear to be a consensual "no".

it seems a few people have been quietly putting together their own hhkb case already, hopefully you all learn from this as well that using community feedback is the best way to get a final product that the community will buy.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 21 October 2015, 09:52:46
I agree with everything you have said here. I guess the optimism I have is that they will learn from these mistakes and get more community feedback up front. Also, I think there should be an expectation that if you are buying a first gen product it will improve going forward. It shouldn't be complete **** at first either, but it isn't likely to never change for the better.

Well, it can go both ways.  It's possible MD will look at this and think "okay, people weren't happy, let's try again using their feedback" but as a pessimist, it's also possible they'll look at this and be like "wow we expected more sales, not worth putting in the effort to try again since people may just reject our second version too and it's possible the people complaining wouldn't even put the money down anyway."  You would think the latter situation is unlikely, but video games taught me that companies can be silly (companies putting out horrible PC ports and nobody buying them, then the company deciding it's not worth pursuing the PC market because obviously there's no money there).
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 21 October 2015, 13:52:46
Well, now it's back down to 7. I guess someone canceled their order.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ideus on Wed, 21 October 2015, 13:58:41
Well, now it's back down to 7. I guess someone canceled their order.

She repented from her sin.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: absyrd on Wed, 21 October 2015, 16:36:28
WWWD?

What Would Wada Do?

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 21 October 2015, 16:38:17
The longer they go without saying anything, the more likely I am to skip out on it. It's like they said "HERE'S YOUR ALUMINUM KEYBOARD HHKB FANSTRAIGHTS, ENJOY!" and that's it. Now the drop is almost up to 100 comments, and there has only been one real employee reply that addressed anything (the colors, using photos from a different case, and even then we still don't know what green or champagne look like). It's like instead of easing our concerns with thought-out replies or pictures, they're relying solely on an outside party (CptBA) to indirectly sell the drop for them.

It's sad that they put more effort into explaining the backstory of the drop, than the details of the drop itself. At least some good might come of this in the form of capable members working together to move beyond the previous vaporware and generate a legitimate HHKB case GB.

FWIW, they sent me a prototype of a case before full well knowing that I was going to think it wasn't good. They weren't looking for me to tell people it was awesome, they wanted someone that could provide insight as to why people kept saying it was ****ty. I was also pretty vocal in the discussion section before they ever offered. 

Now, one could argue that they are going to take the advice that I may have provided and tell the vendor how to fix it, and therefore take potential business away from me, since I also happen to make the same product. The untrusting, conspiracy ridden side of me me certainly thought this. However, I have chosen to believe that what I make will be better no matter what, because I'm focused on making things the best it can be, not the quickest, cheapest, or most profitable.

You have to remember that these guys at MD are there to run a business, they are not necessarily experts. These guys might be familiar with keyboards, but they aren't using an HHKB everyday. The don't know what makes a good CNC'd case beyond the basics. I'm not saying MD is altruistic in their motivations. But I don't think they had any realistic expectation that CPT was going to sell GH on a case that thus far has not gotten high praise. If anything, I'm guessing they are soliciting advice via payment of a case to figure out what can be done better. If they were expecting anymore than that, they are surely going to be disappointed.

I mean, we ***** that they don't listen to the community. Then they reach out to the community for feedback, and we ***** about that. I understand the reasons why, but maybe they really *do* want "our" opinion.

How did you get them to send you a prototype?

And did you get to keep it?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: RELLIK on Wed, 21 October 2015, 16:43:22
Needs more Iron Dioxide  ;D
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 22 October 2015, 11:26:25
Ok, after this drop and seeing the subsequent resurgence in HHKB cases in the wake I figured I'd share a little about what I was working on, as I am a huge HHKB fan and really want to have something made worthy of the HHKB.

First, a list of what I want out of this case:

Milled aluminum
Similar in appearance to the HHKB. Same slant, approx size, etc.
Plastic plate
$200 or less for final product


Now, at work we have an excellent design department with many of the capabilities needed to create this case (experts in CAD as well as milling capabilities). Any group buy, however, would not be run out of my work's shop. There is not enough time for that to happen. I have been able to slowly put effort for a while though. So I can talk through where I am so far.

The HHKB case is probably one of the most difficult cases to replicate, especially out of metal. Due to the fact that the top half of the case is also the plate, milling gets extremely expensive very fast when a full metal option is considered. One of the first decisions I made when starting to brainstorm was that any case I worked on would have a plastic plate. Love it or hate it, the plastic plate really gives the HHKB a very distinct feel, and that feel is something I want to preserve. Furthermore incorporating a plastic plate will make the overall cost significantly cheaper.

The next considerations were purely aesthetic design choices. The first obvious choice I made was to concentrate on making a case that looks as similar to the original in appearance as possible. I have no interest in making a "GoN" looking case, or a "Box" case, rather a case that almost feels like it cam from PFU. The next huge deal if this was an interest check would be "Make it super MX Compatible!" which sadly, I do not have interest in. I love keycap sets as much as the next person, even spent months designing one, but I am really interested in staying as true to the HHKB as possible. Yes, I will absolutely want to make sure there are holes that allow Novatouch stabs to be used, but doing things like changing the bottom row to a 6.25u space won't happen. The main issue here is that there is no SA 6u spacebars, and that until there are molds, they won't be compatible. Personally, I like the Topre profile as well as keycaps and would want those to be useable with this case.

Finally, I am not saying any of this to prevent anyone else from working on a similar project! In this growing community there is no reason not to have a few cases available. If you like the Massdrop case, great! I have no issue with that. If you come out with one tomorrow, I'll probably buy it! Will I ever run an [IC]? Yes, when I have a working prototype. I am not personally a fan of running IC's that slowly bleed into group buys months later, only to be stuck in the GB stage for ages too. I will run a quick IC when ready to address any serious issues there may be, and then right into a GB. I am also not a fan of asking the community to fund my prototyping/etc. and will not be asking for money. This has been a project funded out of my pocket and I will continue to fund all the preliminary work and prototypes of my idea for a case.

So, all that being said. If you have little ideas you want to throw me via PM, that would be more than fine, though I hope this just helps people understand what I am going for a little better. Currently, we are brainstorming through the plastic plate. Should it be connected to the top case? If it is a standalone part, how will it be secured in the case? etc. If any big progress is made I will try to post pics to KC or something :)

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: romevi on Thu, 22 October 2015, 11:37:11
Ok, after this drop and seeing the subsequent resurgence in HHKB cases in the wake I figured I'd share a little about what I was working on, as I am a huge HHKB fan and really want to have something made worthy of the HHKB.

First, a list of what I want out of this case:

Milled aluminum
Similar in appearance to the HHKB. Same slant, approx size, etc.
Plastic plate
$200 or less for final product


Now, at work we have an excellent design department with many of the capabilities needed to create this case (experts in CAD as well as milling capabilities). Any group buy, however, would not be run out of my work's shop. There is not enough time for that to happen. I have been able to slowly put effort for a while though. So I can talk through where I am so far.

The HHKB case is probably one of the most difficult cases to replicate, especially out of metal. Due to the fact that the top half of the case is also the plate, milling gets extremely expensive very fast when a full metal option is considered. One of the first decisions I made when starting to brainstorm was that any case I worked on would have a plastic plate. Love it or hate it, the plastic plate really gives the HHKB a very distinct feel, and that feel is something I want to preserve. Furthermore incorporating a plastic plate will make the overall cost significantly cheaper.

The next considerations were purely aesthetic design choices. The first obvious choice I made was to concentrate on making a case that looks as similar to the original in appearance as possible. I have no interest in making a "GoN" looking case, or a "Box" case, rather a case that almost feels like it cam from PFU. The next huge deal if this was an interest check would be "Make it super MX Compatible!" which sadly, I do not have interest in. I love keycap sets as much as the next person, even spent months designing one, but I am really interested in staying as true to the HHKB as possible. Yes, I will absolutely want to make sure there are holes that allow Novatouch stabs to be used, but doing things like changing the bottom row to a 6.25u space won't happen. The main issue here is that there is no SA 6u spacebars, and that until there are molds, they won't be compatible. Personally, I like the Topre profile as well as keycaps and would want those to be useable with this case.

Finally, I am not saying any of this to prevent anyone else from working on a similar project! In this growing community there is no reason not to have a few cases available. If you like the Massdrop case, great! I have no issue with that. If you come out with one tomorrow, I'll probably buy it! Will I ever run an [IC]? Yes, when I have a working prototype. I am not personally a fan of running IC's that slowly bleed into group buys months later, only to be stuck in the GB stage for ages too. I will run a quick IC when ready to address any serious issues there may be, and then right into a GB. I am also not a fan of asking the community to fund my prototyping/etc. and will not be asking for money. This has been a project funded out of my pocket and I will continue to fund all the preliminary work and prototypes of my idea for a case.

So, all that being said. If you have little ideas you want to throw me via PM, that would be more than fine, though I hope this just helps people understand what I am going for a little better. Currently, we are brainstorming through the plastic plate. Should it be connected to the top case? If it is a standalone part, how will it be secured in the case? etc. If any big progress is made I will try to post pics to KC or something :)

So far yours sounds like the most promising. Will be following closely!
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 22 October 2015, 12:33:48
While I'd actually prefer a full metal case (for me part of the draw of an aluminum case would be the different feel) I would definitely be interested in what you're working on, LSB.  I always figured a community project aluminum HHKB case would be $300-400 minimum so to see you're aiming for $200 and the HHKB style is pretty enticing.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 22 October 2015, 12:38:13
While I'd actually prefer a full metal case (for me part of the draw of an aluminum case would be the different feel) I would definitely be interested in what you're working on, LSB.  I always figured a community project aluminum HHKB case would be $300-400 minimum so to see you're aiming for $200 and the HHKB style is pretty enticing.

And this is where the "keep designing other cases" comes into play. Also, If I ever do get one out, I will be more than willing to work with others or share the CAD files with others that are really interested and develop other options for the case if there is enough interest to warrant it. At this time though it is already such a huge undertaking I'm trying to keep options to a minimum. A lot of group buys I see start adding too many options and that either slows them to a crawl or kills them all together. A full metal could be cool, but at this time I just dont have the bandwidth to work on that too, but I'm not writing it off completely.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 22 October 2015, 12:50:17
Yeah, I agree it's best to just focus on one design and go with that to make sure you perfect it.  Plastic vs metal isn't exactly a dealbreaker anyway considering those of us who would prefer metal wouldn't be using the HHKB if we actually disliked the plastic.  Especially given that I think it's probable the feel will be still be different simply due to most of the case being metal and however the plastic plate interacts with that.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 23 October 2015, 02:34:02
I don't know much about machining costs but I'm assuming that this hasn't happened until now because of the sheer expense that would go into making the complex shapes needed for the HHKB

I think that going with the original case is probably the best from a sheer "getting the numbers" approach
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 26 October 2015, 20:58:42
Well, 1 day left and only 7 have been bought. R.I.P Aluminium HHKB, you will be remembered for not living up to your potential.  :'(
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: ideus on Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:00:55
Well, 1 day left and only 7 have been bought. R.I.P Aluminium HHKB, you will be remembered for not living up to your potential.  :'(

Do you mean potential, as in brick-potential?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: btctopre on Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:02:56
still at 0 purchases in china, and still no replies from massdrop. at least cptBA got a collector's item out of this :P
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 26 October 2015, 22:21:14
still at 0 purchases in china, and still no replies from massdrop. at least cptBA got a collector's item out of this :P

well, I'll have it after him ;)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: mrgoldenzombie on Mon, 26 October 2015, 22:48:28
It shouldn't cost that much for just a case
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:05:46
It shouldn't cost that much for just a case

Well, their price for what they offered was pretty spot on. Milling is very expensive, and the HHKB top plate/case is a hell of a thing to mill.

That is why I'm pretty adamant about having a plastic plate, for pricing and other reasons on my design.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: btctopre on Tue, 27 October 2015, 07:55:10
well, I'll have it after him ;)
that works out then. put massdrop's failure in the hand of those who are making a legitimate effort to bring a hhkb case to market, that way they have a better idea of what works/what doesn't.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: mrgoldenzombie on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:09:02
Why must it be so boxy?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: njbair on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:22:24
It shouldn't cost that much for just a case

Well, their price for what they offered was pretty spot on. Milling is very expensive, and the HHKB top plate/case is a hell of a thing to mill.

That is why I'm pretty adamant about having a plastic plate, for pricing and other reasons on my design.
From day one I've thought this was an impressive specimen of milling but an ugly keyboard case.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: argcargv on Thu, 29 October 2015, 00:31:01
GUYS, I JUST SAW THIS ON TAOBAO

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-3510863721.27.13jLVo&id=523139210844

(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/1713761720/TB2ZXwHgXXXXXcDXXXXXXXXXXXX_!!1713761720.jpg)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: romevi on Thu, 29 October 2015, 00:40:09
GUYS, I JUST SAW THIS ON TAOBAO

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-3510863721.27.13jLVo&id=523139210844

Show Image
(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/1713761720/TB2ZXwHgXXXXXcDXXXXXXXXXXXX_!!1713761720.jpg)

lol. Massdrop usually brings over things from TaoBao.

Now if someone can source that iQunix Lambo...


Edit:
Holy cow. That seller has a S**T-TON of Massdrop items.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 29 October 2015, 00:53:39
GUYS, I JUST SAW THIS ON TAOBAO

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-3510863721.27.13jLVo&id=523139210844

Show Image
(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/1713761720/TB2ZXwHgXXXXXcDXXXXXXXXXXXX_!!1713761720.jpg)


Well then...

:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 29 October 2015, 01:01:31
Even in Taobao, it wasn't cheap!
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: jonathanyu on Thu, 29 October 2015, 12:58:26
GUYS, I JUST SAW THIS ON TAOBAO

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-3510863721.27.13jLVo&id=523139210844

Show Image
(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/1713761720/TB2ZXwHgXXXXXcDXXXXXXXXXXXX_!!1713761720.jpg)

lol. Massdrop usually brings over things from TaoBao.

Now if someone can source that iQunix Lambo...


Edit:
Holy cow. That seller has a S**T-TON of Massdrop items.

it's the opposite case i believe, they got/order their item from massdrop. not sure can you still order that case from them though since the massdrop gb failed.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: romevi on Thu, 29 October 2015, 13:00:43
GUYS, I JUST SAW THIS ON TAOBAO

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-3510863721.27.13jLVo&id=523139210844

Show Image
(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/1713761720/TB2ZXwHgXXXXXcDXXXXXXXXXXXX_!!1713761720.jpg)

lol. Massdrop usually brings over things from TaoBao.

Now if someone can source that iQunix Lambo...


Edit:
Holy cow. That seller has a S**T-TON of Massdrop items.

it's the opposite case i believe, they got/order their item from massdrop. not sure can you still order that case from them though since the massdrop gb failed.

That makes sense.

I wonder if Massdrop had a small amount on hand and just sent that lot to TaoBao. Doesn't look like there are too many options on the TaoBao listing.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 29 October 2015, 17:44:38
I wish the mass drop one didn't look so boxy.

If the sides were rounded a little, it would look better.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 29 October 2015, 18:13:20
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/29/f5581ae4b928eef5154d7de29d6540a4.jpg)

Any burning questions anyone wants answered? Also the flipped space bar lasted 30 seconds.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 29 October 2015, 18:17:37
So how does it feel?  And sound?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 29 October 2015, 18:20:52
Feel I'll have to get back to you. I'm not really familiar enough with how the Hhkb feels yet. Sound? That metal case is loud. More details coming soonTM.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 29 October 2015, 18:47:46
How does the weight feel compared to the stock case? Does the hefty nature of the metal case add to it?

And how are the ergonomics? The pictures showed a pretty tall flat case, how does that feel when  typing?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 29 October 2015, 18:51:40
I'm going to hold off on the feel questions. I don't have enough serious, non-biased Topre testing to give a decent answer yet. Give me a little while.

It's actually not too much taller than my SSK so I'm very comfortable with the height of it.

On an aside? RIP touch typing. I can't find backspace or control and I can't see the layer commands since it's black on black.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: byker on Thu, 29 October 2015, 18:54:08
How do you feel about the quality of the case?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 29 October 2015, 18:57:38
How do you feel about the quality of the case?

How do you personally define case quality? What attributes would you like my opinion on?

My first impressions is that the milling was done well.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 29 October 2015, 18:58:00
Typing video between the two keyboards please. Compare individual keys on the metal and plastic hhkb -- do the plungers feel scratchy? Is the machining smooth around the plungers?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 29 October 2015, 18:59:36
Typing video between the two keyboards please. Compare individual keys on the metal and plastic hhkb -- do the plungers feel scratchy? Is the machining smooth around the plungers?

I think the machining was done well. Typing video will come soonTM. I think the plungers feel different between the two cases. I'm going to hold off on if that's a bad thing or a good thing. Again, I need to put more typing time on this. So far I've clocked maybe 15 minutes on both boards. Definitely not enough time for me to drop my biases.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 29 October 2015, 19:02:10
Are you currently using the aluminum HHKB case with additional feet or flat on the desk? Could you measure the approximate angle with feet installed?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 29 October 2015, 19:07:05
Are you currently using the aluminum HHKB case with additional feet or flat on the desk? Could you measure the approximate angle with feet installed?

Uh, I didn't realize the case had optional feet. I don't think they're optional so I'll say that they have feet. And I will need to math but I'm going to do that in a bit. I'm still learning the layout. I don't know how to delete and it's driving me crazy. Not backspace, delete.

Edit: After much trig, my guess is the angle is about 7 degrees. When I first got the board, I had to add two adhesive rubber bumpon feet because the case was sliding around. That may have thrown the trig off.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 29 October 2015, 19:08:25
Are you currently using the aluminum HHKB case with additional feet or flat on the desk? Could you measure the approximate angle with feet installed?

Uh, I didn't realize the case had optional feet. I don't think they're optional so I'll say that they have feet. And I will need to math but I'm going to do that in a bit. I'm still learning the layout. I don't know how to delete and it's driving me crazy. Not backspace, delete.
This should help you ;)
(http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/doc/hhkbp2_basic_layout.png)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 29 October 2015, 19:18:09
There's some dip switches that you'll have to configure in order to make "delete" a backspace. There's also another dip switch to swap the meta and alt keys.

For my setup, I have 3, 5, 6 pushed up to "ON".
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 29 October 2015, 19:23:29
I'm trying to get it so when I hit Delete, it backspaces. Then FN + Delete = Delete. The backspace function is working but I can't get Delete working for some reason. Got Dip 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 off and 3 on.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 29 October 2015, 19:27:53
I'm trying to get it so when I hit Delete, it backspaces. Then FN + Delete = Delete. The backspace function is working but I can't get Delete working for some reason. Got Dip 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 off and 3 on.

By default, "delete" is main layer, fn+delete becomes backspace. Having DIP 3 on makes "Delete" backspace, and puts "Delete" onto FN+`~
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 29 October 2015, 19:31:30
Feel I'll have to get back to you. I'm not really familiar enough with how the Hhkb feels yet. Sound? That metal case is loud. More details coming soonTM.

Well, feel doesn't necessarily have to be compared to the HHKB, could compare it to other topre boards.


BTW turning on switch 3 makes the delete key a backspace key, but to delete you hit FN and ~.  FN + Delete key is always bound to backspace no matter what.  Though I see someone already explained that.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 29 October 2015, 19:34:07
Well, feel doesn't necessarily have to be compared to the HHKB, could compare it to other topre boards.


BTW turning on switch 3 makes the delete key a backspace key, but to delete you hit FN and ~.  FN + Delete key is always bound to backspace no matter what.  Though I see someone already explained that.


I have very limited Topre experience. I'm uncomfortable giving a feel because I am highly biased and I need time to set aside my biases before I can give a better, more objective reply on feeling. Otherwise, if you want me to rush it, I'll just say throw it in the bin and grab an Alps board :P.

And thank you zeal and a_ak57!! Finally found delete.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: atlas3686 on Fri, 30 October 2015, 01:17:33
Well, feel doesn't necessarily have to be compared to the HHKB, could compare it to other topre boards.


BTW turning on switch 3 makes the delete key a backspace key, but to delete you hit FN and ~.  FN + Delete key is always bound to backspace no matter what.  Though I see someone already explained that.


I have very limited Topre experience. I'm uncomfortable giving a feel because I am highly biased and I need time to set aside my biases before I can give a better, more objective reply on feeling. Otherwise, if you want me to rush it, I'll just say throw it in the bin and grab an Alps board :P.

And thank you zeal and a_ak57!! Finally found delete.
(http://media.makeameme.org/created/yes-join-us.jpg)

Edit: didn't read properly, nevermind
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: argcargv on Fri, 30 October 2015, 03:07:55
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Any burning questions anyone wants answered? Also the flipped space bar lasted 30 seconds.

More pics PLEASE  :p
really want to see what the side profile looks like with feet installed.

Mod Edit: Replies #202-227 of this thread have been split out of a different thread and merged into this one.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Bucake on Sat, 31 October 2015, 09:53:22
looks like you have one of a kind, i guess? :D

quite curious to the typing(sound) video :)
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 31 October 2015, 10:37:42
For you guy stricktly wanting to know about feel I'll be able to answer those pretty well after I get the keyboard after the Capt. Seeing as how I'm always sitting on a pile of Topre, and I've been using it as my primary switch for a while now, I'll try to give my best judgement on that aspect of the case.

Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 31 October 2015, 10:38:38
looks like you have one of a kind, i guess? :D

quite curious to the typing(sound) video :)

he sent me a text with the audio, sounded like a machine gun. -_-
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: mrgoldenzombie on Sat, 31 October 2015, 10:45:32
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What have you done
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 31 October 2015, 10:48:16
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What have you done
It's going to be all the rage, a standing keyboard.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: njbair on Sat, 31 October 2015, 10:56:09
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What have you done
It's going to be all the rage, a standing keyboard.
It will have very little ping, but a lot of gong.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: mrgoldenzombie on Sun, 01 November 2015, 13:56:50
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What have you done
It's going to be all the rage, a standing keyboard.
It will have very little ping, but a lot of gong.
DONG THUCK THOCK DONG
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 05 November 2015, 07:47:02
I made a thread to talk about this case (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76746.0). I just realized that was probably silly to do so since I could've just talked about it here but...I'll just let the moderators move things around as they please.

Mod Note: Added a link to your thread in the OP.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 14 December 2015, 15:50:52
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc.   :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 14 December 2015, 15:54:54
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc.   :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.

I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 14 December 2015, 15:56:47
I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.

>Senior Moderator
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 14 December 2015, 15:58:04
I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.

>Senior Moderator

I'll be super polite, I promise.  :3
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: romevi on Mon, 14 December 2015, 15:58:08
I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.

>Senior Moderator

Benefits.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Bromono on Mon, 14 December 2015, 15:59:44
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc.   :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.

I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.

I would join you, but I am a responsible adult with a job D.=
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 14 December 2015, 16:00:44
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc.   :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.

I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.

I would join you, but I am a responsible adult with a job D.=

Whoa!  Hey now... I'm an adult with a job too!
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 14 December 2015, 16:01:06
I would join you, but I am a responsible adult with a job D.=

What job is more important than a senior moderator at geekhack?
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 14 December 2015, 16:06:51
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc.   :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.

I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.

I would join you, but I am a responsible adult with a job D.=

Me too! with 2 jobs =O
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Bromono on Mon, 14 December 2015, 16:11:28
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc.   :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.

I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.

I would join you, but I am a responsible adult with a job D.=

Whoa!  Hey now... I'm an adult with a job too!

Being hung over for mandatory morning PT is not fun....
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 14 December 2015, 16:35:17
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc.   :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.

I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.

you'll be drunker than me? Challenge accepted :cool:
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: Lurch on Mon, 14 December 2015, 16:45:51
FYI, I have this case in my possession now and will be live streaming on the KeyChatter youtube tonight at ~7pm EST until whenever to answer questions, note ideas from you guys, etc.   :thumb: Will post up a link here later tonight when I do go live.

I'm gonna get super drunk and spam the chat.

you'll be drunker than me? Challenge accepted :cool:

In.
Title: Re: Massdrop - HHKB Metal Case
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 14 December 2015, 17:51:31
http://www.youtube.com/c/Keychatter/live here is the live link. I'll be in youtube chat, IRC (GH/Mechboards/KeyChatter) as well.