I still miss my T500. I loved that thing.
Still rocking my x220.. I think i'm going to stay with it for a LONG time... It's just really heavy.. but I'm fat, so I need whatever workout comes my way.Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/oh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862514)
I still rock my x200 at home. Put Antergos on it and never looked back.
I'm forced to use Lenovo Thinkpads at work. They are an abomination compared to my old beloved T series.
A X61t is still kicking here, it has been updated twice with Samsung SSDs the first was a commercial level one, the second a pro version, while it has only SATA-II interface runs faster than many modern machines:I'm rocking a X61 here at work still on its little dock with a SSD upgrade, have to say its taken a beating but still runs like a champ for what it is (Dedicated diagnostic machine/web browsing and invoices :p )
Keyboard - check.
Display - decent.
Processor - decent.
GPU - sucks.
Build - check.
Overall a great machine.
From a IT Security standpoint.may I ask why?
I will never own a Lenovo
From a IT Security standpoint.may I ask why?
I will never own a Lenovo
From a IT Security standpoint.may I ask why?
I will never own a Lenovo
http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/16748/hacking/spy-agencies-ban-on-lenovo-pcs-due-to-backdoor-vulnerabilities.html
From a IT Security standpoint.may I ask why?
I will never own a Lenovo
http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/16748/hacking/spy-agencies-ban-on-lenovo-pcs-due-to-backdoor-vulnerabilities.html
I don't see why they couldn't put their hack chips into a Macbook..
In fact, they probably let people discover the lenovo chips on purpose, so that people would think, ok don't buy lenovo, buy apple..
But in reality, they got their spy stuff in EVERY LAPTOP....
I'm forced to use Lenovo Thinkpads at work. They are an abomination compared to my old beloved T series.
Many people heart the old builds, But honestly , the new ones are so much better.. there's really 0 reason you'd want to carry those bricks around if YOU _ DON'T _ HAVE _ TO
From a IT Security standpoint.
I will never own a Lenovo
A X61t is still kicking here, it has been updated twice with Samsung SSDs the first was a commercial level one, the second a pro version, while it has only SATA-II interface runs faster than many modern machines:I'm rocking a X61 here at work still on its little dock with a SSD upgrade, have to say its taken a beating but still runs like a champ for what it is (Dedicated diagnostic machine/web browsing and invoices :p )
Keyboard - check.
Display - decent.
Processor - decent.
GPU - sucks.
Build - check.
Overall a great machine.
From a IT Security standpoint.may I ask why?
I will never own a Lenovo
http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/16748/hacking/spy-agencies-ban-on-lenovo-pcs-due-to-backdoor-vulnerabilities.html
I don't see why they couldn't put their hack chips into a Macbook..
In fact, they probably let people discover the lenovo chips on purpose, so that people would think, ok don't buy lenovo, buy apple..
But in reality, they got their spy stuff in EVERY LAPTOP....
I'm not going say much on this topic. but there is always grey market stuff out there. But when you have huge contracts with governments and implement stuff like that just to be caught on purpose. that makes no sense.
Lenovo Chips? Thinkpads use Intel Chips as most PCs around. This "news" appears to be a simple dirty ad campaign against Lenovo.
Lenovo Chips? Thinkpads use Intel Chips as most PCs around. This "news" appears to be a simple dirty ad campaign against Lenovo.
I can tell you first hand its not a simple campaign against lenovo. Intel agencies wouldn't stop using them if it was just to put bad press on lenovo.
and having a rootkit in the bios/hardware really has nothing to do with the brand of chip sets.
it can be done with with any computer.
Lenovo Chips? Thinkpads use Intel Chips as most PCs around. This "news" appears to be a simple dirty ad campaign against Lenovo.
I can tell you first hand its not a simple campaign against lenovo. Intel agencies wouldn't stop using them if it was just to put bad press on lenovo.
and having a rootkit in the bios/hardware really has nothing to do with the brand of chip sets.
it can be done with with any computer.
Precisely, BIOS vulnerabilities exist in any computer (http://www.wired.com/2015/03/researchers-uncover-way-hack-bios-undermine-secure-operating-systems/); then, why it is stated as if it would be related with a single brand?
When I lived in China I hung out with few of the Chinese hacker-types. I was into watercooling, modding, and mech kb's, and there wasn't a huge market there at the time so I hung out a bit with the few folks that were into it. They were always talking about stuff they and their friends were working on. I had a bit of knowledge in the area so I often joined in their discussions. Basically it's blatantly common knowledge that the government there conducts industrial espionage on foreign high-tech firms, both as a end and as a means to develop their offensive cyberwarfare capabilities. The information they acquire they then trade to domestic companies for hardware-level and rootkit-level access to their products. I've seen some of the stuff at work, and it's pretty nutty. My friend had two hdd's from a well-known company, visually indistinguishable from each other, but one had a custom rootkit installed that intercepts I/O and records it all to a special area of the hdd. I saw this working in person. They talked about the different ways different firms put these into their products, with Lenovo and Huawei right in the thick of it. Among other things, Huawei helps the state intell. and PSB develop custom carrier updates which allow special access to phones. So say you're a foreign exec and you travel there, the moment you turn on your phone the tower pushes out a malicious update to your phone [I never saw this myself, but one of the guys was a phone OS programmer and was always railing on this].
This is only just a small part of it all, just mostly what I saw with my own eyes or the data of on a screen. No, it's not only Lenovo that does this, but they are a major player in supplying tech to a lot of the world. Some even wonder if the state injected cash to help them buy IBM's consumer division in order to facilitate these types of activities. I'm not so sure, but I guess it wouldn't surprise me.
Anyway, I didn't intend this post to be so long. Sorry to derail. Back to gushing about your Thinkpads.
People should back to typewriters and telegraph, unless they have a hidden index mechanism that would be hacked.
:p
When I lived in China I hung out with few of the Chinese hacker-types. I was into watercooling, modding, and mech kb's, and there wasn't a huge market there at the time so I hung out a bit with the few folks that were into it. They were always talking about stuff they and their friends were working on. I had a bit of knowledge in the area so I often joined in their discussions. Basically it's blatantly common knowledge that the government there conducts industrial espionage on foreign high-tech firms, both as a end and as a means to develop their offensive cyberwarfare capabilities. The information they acquire they then trade to domestic companies for hardware-level and rootkit-level access to their products. I've seen some of the stuff at work, and it's pretty nutty. My friend had two hdd's from a well-known company, visually indistinguishable from each other, but one had a custom rootkit installed that intercepts I/O and records it all to a special area of the hdd. I saw this working in person. They talked about the different ways different firms put these into their products, with Lenovo and Huawei right in the thick of it. Among other things, Huawei helps the state intell. and PSB develop custom carrier updates which allow special access to phones. So say you're a foreign exec and you travel there, the moment you turn on your phone the tower pushes out a malicious update to your phone [I never saw this myself, but one of the guys was a phone OS programmer and was always railing on this].
This is only just a small part of it all, just mostly what I saw with my own eyes or the data of on a screen. No, it's not only Lenovo that does this, but they are a major player in supplying tech to a lot of the world. Some even wonder if the state injected cash to help them buy IBM's consumer division in order to facilitate these types of activities. I'm not so sure, but I guess it wouldn't surprise me.
Anyway, I didn't intend this post to be so long. Sorry to derail. Back to gushing about your Thinkpads.
Great post. Thank you.
And you are right it is not just Lenovo doing things like this. Just recently they found backdoors in Arris cable modems.
I just threw the Lenovo fact in there so people where aware. I dont want to get into the nitty gritty of it.
cheersPeople should back to typewriters and telegraph, unless they have a hidden index mechanism that would be hacked.
:p
World war 2 was won heavily based on the fact we where able to decrypt their telegraphs and radio signals.
Nothing is safe!
I enjoyed Thinkpads when I was a Windows man back in the day.X220 with OSX on it.
When I became a Mac OS man, I started drinking the Apple kool-aid.
Now that I'm a Linux man, I'm not sure what type of laptop I should favor, but I like being able to still use Mac OS if I ever need it. Windows, meh.
Don't thinkpads have keyboard over-lighting?
MoreFrom a IT Security standpoint.may I ask why?
I will never own a Lenovo
http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/16748/hacking/spy-agencies-ban-on-lenovo-pcs-due-to-backdoor-vulnerabilities.html
I don't see why they couldn't put their hack chips into a Macbook..
In fact, they probably let people discover the lenovo chips on purpose, so that people would think, ok don't buy lenovo, buy apple..
But in reality, they got their spy stuff in EVERY LAPTOP....
I'm not going say much on this topic. but there is always grey market stuff out there. But when you have huge contracts with governments and implement stuff like that just to be caught on purpose. that makes no sense.
Wow, that's scary. And I still use my T61, but only for casual browsing and such.
People should back to typewriters and telegraph, unless they have a hidden index mechanism that would be hacked.
:p
Don't thinkpads have keyboard over-lighting?
Since no one answered you question, yes, they did. My T500 had a light on the monitor I could turn on to illuminate the keyboard.MoreFrom a IT Security standpoint.may I ask why?
I will never own a Lenovo
http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/16748/hacking/spy-agencies-ban-on-lenovo-pcs-due-to-backdoor-vulnerabilities.html (http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/16748/hacking/spy-agencies-ban-on-lenovo-pcs-due-to-backdoor-vulnerabilities.html)
I don't see why they couldn't put their hack chips into a Macbook..
In fact, they probably let people discover the lenovo chips on purpose, so that people would think, ok don't buy lenovo, buy apple..
But in reality, they got their spy stuff in EVERY LAPTOP....
I'm not going say much on this topic. but there is always grey market stuff out there. But when you have huge contracts with governments and implement stuff like that just to be caught on purpose. that makes no sense.
Wow, that's scary. And I still use my T61, but only for casual browsing and such.
Those were issues with newer Lenovo laptops. I believe it was after the T400 and T500 that they started doing it...or at least started doing it where people actually found out about it.People should back to typewriters and telegraph, unless they have a hidden index mechanism that would be hacked.
:p
I know you're probably joking, but every system is vulnerable. The only non-vulnerable system is one so obscure that no one know how it works (even then it may rely upon insecure input methods) or one that is never turned on and never leaves the hole it's buried in in the ground. Typewriters rely on a ribbon that can be intercepted and read (a common spy tactic of old) and they can and have had keyloggers placed in them in the past. The IBM Selectric was bugged by Soviet spies.
And unless you transmit with a one time pad via telegraph, it would be easy as to intercept and decode. Telegraphs rely on wires just like phones. Unlike phones, they're analog instead of digital. You can get encrypted phones or disposable phones that would be far more secure.
RIP Rich Sapper, designer of the IBM Thinkpad. :(
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/06/thinkpad_designer_obituary/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/06/thinkpad_designer_obituary/)
From a IT Security standpoint.Then you should never own a system with Intel AMT either, among other things.
I will never own a Lenovo
From a IT Security standpoint.Then you should never own a system with Intel AMT either, among other things.
I will never own a Lenovo
When I lived in China I hung out with few of the Chinese hacker-types. I was into watercooling, modding, and mech kb's, and there wasn't a huge market there at the time so I hung out a bit with the few folks that were into it. They were always talking about stuff they and their friends were working on. I had a bit of knowledge in the area so I often joined in their discussions. Basically it's blatantly common knowledge that the government there conducts industrial espionage on foreign high-tech firms, both as a end and as a means to develop their offensive cyberwarfare capabilities. The information they acquire they then trade to domestic companies for hardware-level and rootkit-level access to their products. I've seen some of the stuff at work, and it's pretty nutty. My friend had two hdd's from a well-known company, visually indistinguishable from each other, but one had a custom rootkit installed that intercepts I/O and records it all to a special area of the hdd. I saw this working in person. They talked about the different ways different firms put these into their products, with Lenovo and Huawei right in the thick of it. Among other things, Huawei helps the state intell. and PSB develop custom carrier updates which allow special access to phones. So say you're a foreign exec and you travel there, the moment you turn on your phone the tower pushes out a malicious update to your phone [I never saw this myself, but one of the guys was a phone OS programmer and was always railing on this].Very interesting. I've always thought there was stuff like this going on.
This is only just a small part of it all, just mostly what I saw with my own eyes or the data of on a screen. No, it's not only Lenovo that does this, but they are a major player in supplying tech to a lot of the world. Some even wonder if the state injected cash to help them buy IBM's consumer division in order to facilitate these types of activities. I'm not so sure, but I guess it wouldn't surprise me.
Anyway, I didn't intend this post to be so long. Sorry to derail. Back to gushing about your Thinkpads.
...at work I have an Apple thingy...Isn't that an iThingy? lol!
...and people don't die as quickly...Or with as much fuss.
...and people don't die as quickly...Or with as much fuss.
corporate espionage is very very real..
And the federal governments are by far the world's largest corporations.
Think of it this way.. espionage is better than war, because espionage is cheaper, and people don't die as quickly..
When I lived in China I hung out with few of the Chinese hacker-types. I was into watercooling, modding, and mech kb's, and there wasn't a huge market there at the time so I hung out a bit with the few folks that were into it. They were always talking about stuff they and their friends were working on. I had a bit of knowledge in the area so I often joined in their discussions. Basically it's blatantly common knowledge that the government there conducts industrial espionage on foreign high-tech firms, both as a end and as a means to develop their offensive cyberwarfare capabilities. The information they acquire they then trade to domestic companies for hardware-level and rootkit-level access to their products. I've seen some of the stuff at work, and it's pretty nutty. My friend had two hdd's from a well-known company, visually indistinguishable from each other, but one had a custom rootkit installed that intercepts I/O and records it all to a special area of the hdd. I saw this working in person. They talked about the different ways different firms put these into their products, with Lenovo and Huawei right in the thick of it. Among other things, Huawei helps the state intell. and PSB develop custom carrier updates which allow special access to phones. So say you're a foreign exec and you travel there, the moment you turn on your phone the tower pushes out a malicious update to your phone [I never saw this myself, but one of the guys was a phone OS programmer and was always railing on this].
This is only just a small part of it all, just mostly what I saw with my own eyes or the data of on a screen. No, it's not only Lenovo that does this, but they are a major player in supplying tech to a lot of the world. Some even wonder if the state injected cash to help them buy IBM's consumer division in order to facilitate these types of activities. I'm not so sure, but I guess it wouldn't surprise me.
Anyway, I didn't intend this post to be so long. Sorry to derail. Back to gushing about your Thinkpads.
Wow. Very interesting. And scary.Probably a lot, lot, lot more than we think. We're just pawns in a bigger game...
I wonder how much this happens with all modern computer technology, not just Lenovo, considering how much is made in China and how large corporations and governments are linked these days.
MoreA 2nd Gen Intel I7 2630m which can be put into the T420 is faster and more powerful (by about 10%) than the process you get in the Lenovo Carbon X1, which uses a ULV processor. The Carbon does however have a better graphics chip and is a bit thinner and of course lighter, but also MUCH more expensive than just beefing up the T420. See the important note at the end regarding high end ultrabooks*.
While most T420 are dog sh*t slow, it's usually a combination of easy to replace parts that cause it.
The stock ram in them was too little and garbage from day one, and the hard drive which was pedestrian at best in it's day is now not only worn and tired, but insanely slow and inefficient compared to todays SSDs.
Viva, what processor is in your 420?
The 420 is one of the last Thinkpads that you can still swap the processor and those processors are some of the last full power processors as well. With an i7 and 16gb ram and an ssd, they are actually just about as fast and powerful as anything made in the last year or so, most of which are using low voltage processors.
I7 dual core $45
16GB ram for about $70
SSD - $60
Basically for $175 you get a kick-@ss system that's cheap to repair if it breaks. A new OEM battery (not Chinese crap, $35) will get you between 5 and 6 hours of browsing when combined with an SSD and mild power tuning.
The high res screen (1600x900) is a drop in replacement ($55), and a mobo swap can get you a cheap Nvidia graphics card if you want but don't have it. I had one built this way, and while I think the screen and vid card were over-rated, the system was VERY fast, had good battery life and was capable of running Linux really well. It also had one of the best laptop keyboards made, and you can install open source bios. You can even install a quad core I7 processor for under $75. Wireless AC requires a bios mod and probably costs $10. It's probably the most adaptable and hackable laptop ever built.
If you do still want a replacement,
The question becomes, budget, screen size and intended purpose, but honestly, there is actually very little out there today that will make a built T420 look slow. While you will get more battery life, a touch screen and thinner system, in terms of power and speed, you won;t accomplish anything you couldn't do by just beefing up your T420. Oh, and don't forget, the T420 is a matte screen, the touch screen will be glossy.
Note:
*I happen to love the Carbon, but be careful who you buy from, and make sure it can be returned as many suffer coil whine. VERY, VERY loud whine, more like a scream! Some vendors, including Lenovo can be problematic in getting them to fix it, trying to claim it's not a problem or an inconvenience. I dealt with one and you could hear the whine throughout an entire 3500sq ft. home. So you want to buy from someone you can return it without hassle. Keep in mind that it's not the only laptop of it's style and generation with the problem, Dell especially also has a few models with coil whine complaints.
Thanks for the reply, Leslieann.
-I have an i5-2520M. I should have figured that the processor can be replaced, as the M denotes that it is socketed. A quad-core sounds nice, because I have hit the limits of the capabilities of dual core laptop processors. I wonder how well this laptop can cool a quad core laptop processor. Oh great, plenty of Youtube videos about that.
-I have 8GB of aftermarket RAM I installed and that is enough for what I do at the moment.
-The HDD is original and definitely could benefit with an SSD in their.
-I would like a better screen, and I probably can look up a video about how to replace it on Youtube.
-This baby definitely needs a new battery, that is for sure.
Maybe I'll just do all that and save myself some cash. The T420 is the last of its breed and I like it.MoreA 2nd Gen Intel I7 2630m which can be put into the T420 is faster and more powerful (by about 10%) than the process you get in the Lenovo Carbon X1, which uses a ULV processor. The Carbon does however have a better graphics chip and is a bit thinner and of course lighter, but also MUCH more expensive than just beefing up the T420. See the important note at the end regarding high end ultrabooks*.
While most T420 are dog sh*t slow, it's usually a combination of easy to replace parts that cause it.
The stock ram in them was too little and garbage from day one, and the hard drive which was pedestrian at best in it's day is now not only worn and tired, but insanely slow and inefficient compared to todays SSDs.
Viva, what processor is in your 420?
The 420 is one of the last Thinkpads that you can still swap the processor and those processors are some of the last full power processors as well. With an i7 and 16gb ram and an ssd, they are actually just about as fast and powerful as anything made in the last year or so, most of which are using low voltage processors.
I7 dual core $45
16GB ram for about $70
SSD - $60
Basically for $175 you get a kick-@ss system that's cheap to repair if it breaks. A new OEM battery (not Chinese crap, $35) will get you between 5 and 6 hours of browsing when combined with an SSD and mild power tuning.
The high res screen (1600x900) is a drop in replacement ($55), and a mobo swap can get you a cheap Nvidia graphics card if you want but don't have it. I had one built this way, and while I think the screen and vid card were over-rated, the system was VERY fast, had good battery life and was capable of running Linux really well. It also had one of the best laptop keyboards made, and you can install open source bios. You can even install a quad core I7 processor for under $75. Wireless AC requires a bios mod and probably costs $10. It's probably the most adaptable and hackable laptop ever built.
If you do still want a replacement,
The question becomes, budget, screen size and intended purpose, but honestly, there is actually very little out there today that will make a built T420 look slow. While you will get more battery life, a touch screen and thinner system, in terms of power and speed, you won;t accomplish anything you couldn't do by just beefing up your T420. Oh, and don't forget, the T420 is a matte screen, the touch screen will be glossy.
Note:
*I happen to love the Carbon, but be careful who you buy from, and make sure it can be returned as many suffer coil whine. VERY, VERY loud whine, more like a scream! Some vendors, including Lenovo can be problematic in getting them to fix it, trying to claim it's not a problem or an inconvenience. I dealt with one and you could hear the whine throughout an entire 3500sq ft. home. So you want to buy from someone you can return it without hassle. Keep in mind that it's not the only laptop of it's style and generation with the problem, Dell especially also has a few models with coil whine complaints.
2520m isn't usually socketed on most laptops.It's socketed.
Buhhhhhhhhhhhh I've heard that if you got a reflow station... it may be possible to swap out for the i7 equivalent.
You need one of those solderball rigs to do that though.. it's a non trivial task.
Yea, the processor is socketed and i was able to remove it. The hard part will be the display, requires a great deal more steps and finesse.
I've had a few SSDs in the past, I'm familiar with the instant change in performance. I did not even know there were differences in the power usage of SSDs.
I had a thinkpad edge 13 w/ a core 2 duo SU7300 for a while, but it wasn't good enough for my liking. That's why now I am rocking an X220 I bought from ebay over the summer :cool:
Yea, the processor is socketed and i was able to remove it. The hard part will be the display, requires a great deal more steps and finesse.
I've had a few SSDs in the past, I'm familiar with the instant change in performance. I did not even know there were differences in the power usage of SSDs.
The only delicate part is the connector behind the lcd, otherwise, piece of cake. Just pry the tape up slow and easy. If you damage the cable(unlikely), you can get one on Ebay for a couple bucks. It's the lcd side of the connector you need to be careful of, and since you would be replacing that, it's not a big deal. It's a 10-15 minute job at most.
I admit, it's not as easy as an SSD swap, but I've actually had far more trouble with flip open latches on keyboard and LCD connectors as of late on Asus, Toshiba and Fujitsu laptops and tablets. The plastics they used for them become quite brittle as they age. The first time I blamed myself thinking I did something wrong, but when it happened a third time, in a way I hadn't even put pressure on, I knew it wasn't anything I did.
Yea, the processor is socketed and i was able to remove it. The hard part will be the display, requires a great deal more steps and finesse.
I've had a few SSDs in the past, I'm familiar with the instant change in performance. I did not even know there were differences in the power usage of SSDs.
The only delicate part is the connector behind the lcd, otherwise, piece of cake. Just pry the tape up slow and easy. If you damage the cable(unlikely), you can get one on Ebay for a couple bucks. It's the lcd side of the connector you need to be careful of, and since you would be replacing that, it's not a big deal. It's a 10-15 minute job at most.
I admit, it's not as easy as an SSD swap, but I've actually had far more trouble with flip open latches on keyboard and LCD connectors as of late on Asus, Toshiba and Fujitsu laptops and tablets. The plastics they used for them become quite brittle as they age. The first time I blamed myself thinking I did something wrong, but when it happened a third time, in a way I hadn't even put pressure on, I knew it wasn't anything I did.
Well there's also the bezel infront of the lcd.. That thing is hard to get off because it's quite delicate.. Easily broken if you're not careful..
World war 2 was won heavily based on the fact we where able to decrypt their telegraphs and radio signals.
Nothing is safe!
World war 2 was won heavily based on the fact we where able to decrypt their telegraphs and radio signals.
Nothing is safe!
That's the US/UK point of view, greatly bloating a very clever technical triumph
Take a look at fallen.io and you will realize the war was won in the east. Paid with millions of Russian lives...
The impression that Germany was beaten by cracking their codes and bombing their cities is a misconception that affects military doctrine to this day.
I had a thinkpad edge 13 w/ a core 2 duo SU7300 for a while, but it wasn't good enough for my liking. That's why now I am rocking an X220 I bought from ebay over the summer :cool:
But did you upgrade to 16GB 1866mhz RAM.. for m0re Fastness. ??Show Image(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/e/x/excitedblushplz.gif?1)
x220 4ever
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I had a thinkpad edge 13 w/ a core 2 duo SU7300 for a while, but it wasn't good enough for my liking. That's why now I am rocking an X220 I bought from ebay over the summer :cool:
But did you upgrade to 16GB 1866mhz RAM.. for m0re Fastness. ??Show Image(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/e/x/excitedblushplz.gif?1)
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that's my ideapad :D
My thinkpad just has 6GB of RAM since it's better than 4 at the very least. And of course an SSD makes anything faster ;D
You guys remember the butterfly? Ah the memories..Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ohB4y2j.gif)
You guys remember the butterfly? Ah the memories..Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ohB4y2j.gif)
It's called and well-known as the "the butterfly keyboard". But after viewing this Gif for a while, I think it should be called the "ThinkPad Sneaky keyboard". :p
You guys remember the butterfly? Ah the memories..Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ohB4y2j.gif)
It's called and well-known as the "the butterfly keyboard". But after viewing this Gif for a while, I think it should be called the "ThinkPad Sneaky keyboard". :p
Indeed, I want one just to open and close it all day and never turn it on..
X220 really needs 1866 imho, because it not only speeds --general reactive performance--, it actually speeds up the Graphics as well, because the Integrated graphics utilizes the onboard DDR3 ram.
So, on the recent bioses they locked the ram to 1333, which we all know (specific to the sandybridge platform) takes a severe performance impact relative to 1600, even more so vs 1866
It's one of those things.. where you look at it.. and you're like.. oh yea.. mmm hmmm.. this is it.. I need this in my life.. Nothing else matters.
It's one of those things.. where you look at it.. and you're like.. oh yea.. mmm hmmm.. this is it.. I need this in my life.. Nothing else matters.
that is exactly why I have to stay away from Slicksdeals, all I do is order stuff I don't need...I'm so empty inside TP, comfort me, hold me, love me..
It's one of those things.. where you look at it.. and you're like.. oh yea.. mmm hmmm.. this is it.. I need this in my life.. Nothing else matters.
that is exactly why I have to stay away from Slicksdeals, all I do is order stuff I don't need...I'm so empty inside TP, comfort me, hold me, love me..
Look at it this way.. @ least u are not a #Ronery4ever permanent member..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/info-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862510)
It's one of those things.. where you look at it.. and you're like.. oh yea.. mmm hmmm.. this is it.. I need this in my life.. Nothing else matters.
that is exactly why I have to stay away from Slicksdeals, all I do is order stuff I don't need...I'm so empty inside TP, comfort me, hold me, love me..
Look at it this way.. @ least u are not a #Ronery4ever permanent member..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/info-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862510)
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Tp4 = Psychiatrist Consulting Services LLC, I'll be looking forward to a new guide in your signature!
It's one of those things.. where you look at it.. and you're like.. oh yea.. mmm hmmm.. this is it.. I need this in my life.. Nothing else matters.
that is exactly why I have to stay away from Slicksdeals, all I do is order stuff I don't need...I'm so empty inside TP, comfort me, hold me, love me..
Look at it this way.. @ least u are not a #Ronery4ever permanent member..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/info-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862510)
:))
Tp4 = Psychiatrist Consulting Services LLC, I'll be looking forward to a new guide in your signature!
Perhaps a , How-to-be-#Ronery, guide.
Still on the x230, Thinking about buying an x1 carbon or x260, but too expensive for my current situation. The x230 still works great for my needs, All I need my laptop to be is indestructible, and the x230 fulfills that well.
Still on the x230, Thinking about buying an x1 carbon or x260, but too expensive for my current situation. The x230 still works great for my needs, All I need my laptop to be is indestructible, and the x230 fulfills that well.
they are not indestructible.. Only panasonic toughbook remotely has (drop) durability.
x series are made from crispy aluminum alloy + plastic
Still on the x230, Thinking about buying an x1 carbon or x260, but too expensive for my current situation. The x230 still works great for my needs, All I need my laptop to be is indestructible, and the x230 fulfills that well.
they are not indestructible.. Only panasonic toughbook remotely has (drop) durability.
x series are made from crispy aluminum alloy + plastic
Doesn't X series also have the magnesium alloy roll cage like the T series?
But anyways, I dropped my ThinkPads (T and X) many times, and even when the roll cage might have protected the motherboard, the plastic outer shield corners of the laptops did get dents and chipped. I thought about getting a Toughbook CF-T7, but looking at the specs I can get for the money, and the lack of a Trackpoint, I remained a ThinkPad user.
What 'worry' me is the apparent change of engineering implementation in the Trackpoint from X250 and T450 - users reported the new Trackpoint being less sensitive.
I would be cool to use a full-rugged Toughbook model when I am wearing military uniform and fighting on the correct side of history, not for the profit of the military complex.
bnd cia mossad are from the same pack, nothing has changed since WWII.
Germany sold nuclear submarines to Israel and the most advanced tanks to the ME lightning fast without any public discussion.
Remains of the 6 millions have yet to be found, it's one of the biggest unsolved mystery of modern history. But for sure it is the truth, everyone publicly questioned it or asked for the evidence through official channels were taken to prison.
I live in Germany, Germans are sometimes cold and remote, lacking a sense of humor but it doesn't mean I cannot be kind to them. They are nice in nature but they're taught to hate themselves from very young age with at least 2 years of brainwashing bombardment - all state funded. Those who didn't believe their grandparents were mass murderers and went seek out evidence with their chemistry and engineering degrees found something else they cannot really say. Most of them have serious self-hate and country-identity complex, until the world cup or the Euro cup.
War is a great way to generate profit, that's a working formula since the Great Depression. Military grade > industrial grade > domestic grade. That's why DARPA are still having some of the coolest projects in the world.
If I work on the DARPA Grand Challenge, I would need a Toughbook.
Since Lenovo has taken over, it seems that institutions in Germany are switching to Fujitsu. Yet, ThinkPad + Linux is still a very popular combination here.
bnd cia mossad are from the same pack, nothing has changed since WWII.
Germany sold nuclear submarines to Israel and the most advanced tanks to the ME lightning fast without any public discussion.
Remains of the 6 millions have yet to be found, it's one of the biggest unsolved mystery of modern history. But for sure it is the truth, everyone publicly questioned it or asked for the evidence through official channels were taken to prison.
I live in Germany, Germans are sometimes cold and remote, lacking a sense of humor but it doesn't mean I cannot be kind to them. They are nice in nature but they're taught to hate themselves from very young age with at least 2 years of brainwashing bombardment - all state funded. Those who didn't believe their grandparents were mass murderers and went seek out evidence with their chemistry and engineering degrees found something else they cannot really say. War history movies stereotyping Germany along the official narrative is the best formula to win Oscar awards. Most of the Germans have serious self-hate and country-identity complex, until the time of world cup or the Euro cup.
War is a great way to generate profit, that's a working formula since the Great Depression. Military grade > industrial grade > domestic grade. That's why DARPA are still having some of the coolest projects in the world.
If I work on the DARPA Grand Challenge, I would need a Toughbook.
Since Lenovo has taken over, it seems that institutions in Germany are switching to Fujitsu. Yet, ThinkPad + Linux is still a very popular combination here.
Won't be long now! I'm really curious if we'll see a ThinkPad retro unveiling. I think the response to it has been far too large to Lenovo to ignore. Either way, I'm excited for a thunderbolt 3 t470!
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/5gva9l/the_wait_is_almost_over_thinkpad_2017_press/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/5gva9l/the_wait_is_almost_over_thinkpad_2017_press/)
what's the best "old" (pre-lenovo?) thinkpad?
i have an X41 with all the bells and whistles (former work laptop) running arch but it's like 11 years old now so it's just not cutting it for most things
what's the best "old" (pre-lenovo?) thinkpad?
i have an X41 with all the bells and whistles (former work laptop) running arch but it's like 11 years old now so it's just not cutting it for most things
x41s are awesome but i hate the screen resolution.
try to get an x301 on ebay, you should be able to get one for well under 200 bucks. upgrade the RAM and get an mSATA to SATA adapter, then you can use high capacity mSATA storage.
lotta resources here: http://x301.mcdonnelltech.com
what's the best "old" (pre-lenovo?) thinkpad?
i have an X41 with all the bells and whistles (former work laptop) running arch but it's like 11 years old now so it's just not cutting it for most things
x41s are awesome but i hate the screen resolution.
try to get an x301 on ebay, you should be able to get one for well under 200 bucks. upgrade the RAM and get an mSATA to SATA adapter, then you can use high capacity mSATA storage.
lotta resources here: http://x301.mcdonnelltech.com
cheers dude, that looks pretty sweet
i actually don't mind low resolutions, gives me an actual reason to use some cool 9pt monospace fonts
Look up X62. There are some guys in China doing drop-in guts for X61.
sigh.... you guyz are wasting ur time.. all that --old stuff-- is c2d... slow as molasses...
sigh.... you guyz are wasting ur time.. all that --old stuff-- is c2d... slow as molasses...
your priorities so in sync 100% of the time
My understanding and comprehension of the modern hardware landscape is unparalleled..
My understanding and comprehension of the modern hardware landscape is unparalleled..
u_____u
While some Core2 models aren't exactly garbage (most are), I wouldn't buy anything with DDR2 memory.
Spending an extra $30 for the next generation Lenovo to get DDR3 can save you money by the time you add extra ram. As a bonus you get Sata3, which is a big deal if you use an SSD.
You can live with it, but I saw pretty nice performance gains switching from a drive capable of Sata2, to a drive that supported Sata3 in a system that supported sata3.While some Core2 models aren't exactly garbage (most are), I wouldn't buy anything with DDR2 memory.
Spending an extra $30 for the next generation Lenovo to get DDR3 can save you money by the time you add extra ram. As a bonus you get Sata3, which is a big deal if you use an SSD.
Agree on ddr3..
sata... mmm.. one could live with sata 2 in a laptop.. where's the data gonna go.. fastest thing out of a laptop is usb 3.0 @ 120MB/s ?
The advantages of owning a Thinkpad seems to be durability and the ability to upgrade it. But I was thinking, I have a pretty durable Macbook pro from 2011 that'd be a shame to dump, so I was considering upping the RAM and change HDD to SSD. Is it even worth it? Should I get a thinkpad?
The advantages of owning a Thinkpad seems to be durability and the ability to upgrade it. But I was thinking, I have a pretty durable Macbook pro from 2011 that'd be a shame to dump, so I was considering upping the RAM and change HDD to SSD. Is it even worth it? Should I get a thinkpad?
I will be upgrading my mother's 2011 Macbook Pro with new RAM and an SSD this weekend. We'll see how it goes.
My ex-girlfriend did a similar upgrade to her 2010 Macbook Pro and she says that it works great.
All in all, this type of upgrade should not cost more than $200 and probably will extend the life of your Macbook for at least a couple more years. If you are concerned with Thinkpad features and the latest components, then a Thinkpad is worth it to you. If you are concerned with raw performance, I think the Macbook Pro upgrade is worth it.
I will be upgrading my mother's 2011 Macbook Pro with new RAM and an SSD this weekend. We'll see how it goes.
My ex-girlfriend did a similar upgrade to her 2010 Macbook Pro and she says that it works great.
All in all, this type of upgrade should not cost more than $200 and probably will extend the life of your Macbook for at least a couple more years. If you are concerned with Thinkpad features and the latest components, then a Thinkpad is worth it to you. If you are concerned with raw performance, I think the Macbook Pro upgrade is worth it.
MoreI will be upgrading my mother's 2011 Macbook Pro with new RAM and an SSD this weekend. We'll see how it goes.
My ex-girlfriend did a similar upgrade to her 2010 Macbook Pro and she says that it works great.
All in all, this type of upgrade should not cost more than $200 and probably will extend the life of your Macbook for at least a couple more years. If you are concerned with Thinkpad features and the latest components, then a Thinkpad is worth it to you. If you are concerned with raw performance, I think the Macbook Pro upgrade is worth it.
I'd get a Thinkpad just for the hype, but first I need to find one ;D I want to kill myself when my Mac takes one minute to start up and one minute to open Firefox... And another one minute to open word...
What are these "Thinkpad features and the latest components" you speak of? I know only about the trackpoint and the nice keyboard. Seems like getting a X220 would be a good choice for me, since I like that style of keys... Preferably in ISO too haha.
MoreI will be upgrading my mother's 2011 Macbook Pro with new RAM and an SSD this weekend. We'll see how it goes.
My ex-girlfriend did a similar upgrade to her 2010 Macbook Pro and she says that it works great.
All in all, this type of upgrade should not cost more than $200 and probably will extend the life of your Macbook for at least a couple more years. If you are concerned with Thinkpad features and the latest components, then a Thinkpad is worth it to you. If you are concerned with raw performance, I think the Macbook Pro upgrade is worth it.
I'd get a Thinkpad just for the hype, but first I need to find one ;D I want to kill myself when my Mac takes one minute to start up and one minute to open Firefox... And another one minute to open word...
What are these "Thinkpad features and the latest components" you speak of? I know only about the trackpoint and the nice keyboard. Seems like getting a X220 would be a good choice for me, since I like that style of keys... Preferably in ISO too haha.
Think about the FHD mod if you have time and patence to DIY, or if you have $$$ (a FHD modded is about double the price of a nice used model of the same spec).
http://hackaday.com/2016/08/26/making-a-thinkpad-great-again/ (http://hackaday.com/2016/08/26/making-a-thinkpad-great-again/)
I thought the x230 was only available in 1376x768? Can I buy a replacement screen for it at a higher resolution?
Thinking about either a x1 carbon or x260, was considering t460s but the reviews say it has **** battery life. The 1440p screen on the carbon is a very attractive option as well, especially coming from the 1366x768 screen on my x230. one problem, theyre too expensive. optioned like I want them to be, its 1200$+ -_-
MoreI will be upgrading my mother's 2011 Macbook Pro with new RAM and an SSD this weekend. We'll see how it goes.
My ex-girlfriend did a similar upgrade to her 2010 Macbook Pro and she says that it works great.
All in all, this type of upgrade should not cost more than $200 and probably will extend the life of your Macbook for at least a couple more years. If you are concerned with Thinkpad features and the latest components, then a Thinkpad is worth it to you. If you are concerned with raw performance, I think the Macbook Pro upgrade is worth it.
I'd get a Thinkpad just for the hype, but first I need to find one ;D I want to kill myself when my Mac takes one minute to start up and one minute to open Firefox... And another one minute to open word...
What are these "Thinkpad features and the latest components" you speak of? I know only about the trackpoint and the nice keyboard. Seems like getting a X220 would be a good choice for me, since I like that style of keys... Preferably in ISO too haha.
Think about the FHD mod if you have time and patence to DIY, or if you have $$$ (a FHD modded is about double the price of a nice used model of the same spec).
http://hackaday.com/2016/08/26/making-a-thinkpad-great-again/ (http://hackaday.com/2016/08/26/making-a-thinkpad-great-again/)
omg.. u guys are insane.. hahahahahahaha
U can get an x230 with 1080p without all that hassle, AND cheaper..
Yes the x220 is legendary among enthusiasts, but it's still NOT a very good laptop for modern use.
Ur going to buy one.. and boom oh ****, it doesn't have the latest iteration of the LG ips panel...
So you go to amazon.. buy newest LG panel for $60..
OH NO, i need 1866mhz ram... go to amazon $100 for 1866mhz laptop ram..
OH NO.. I need SSD to the max.. go to amazon.. $150 for SSD
OH NO... I needz super duper wifi card.. go to amazon.. $40 for wifi card..
OH NO.. .it won't boot with default bios... spend 10 hours finding the right bios....
OH NO... it' s still slow because the processor is maxed at 2.6ghz..
.. Proceeds to buy a new laptop $700..
Total cost of x220... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$...
Are you trying to scare me off Thinkpads? Because i am now wary. Maybe I should just stay with my Macbook since Thinkpads are ****tier in general.
Macbook has a VERY SPECIFIC purpose.... When you're a student, you go somewhere with ur laptop.. all the pretty girls will look at you and JUDGE YOU..
That's how the Modern world works now..
So as a young-guy, going out into the wild.. You NEED a Macbook..
Lenovo is for hardcore neckbeards bordering the #Ronery4ever camp...
Macbook has a VERY SPECIFIC purpose.... When you're a student, you go somewhere with ur laptop.. all the pretty girls will look at you and JUDGE YOU..
That's how the Modern world works now..
So as a young-guy, going out into the wild.. You NEED a Macbook..
Lenovo is for hardcore neckbeards bordering the #Ronery4ever camp...
I don't give a **** what other's think if I have something I'm happy with... Giving it more thought maybe a Thinkpad's not such a good idea since I use music composing software sometimes. Ah, RIP my dreams of a new toy...
no comment on your last statement ha
I don't give a **** what other's think if I have something I'm happy with... Giving it more thought maybe a Thinkpad's not such a good idea since I use music composing software sometimes. Ah, RIP my dreams of a new toy...
no comment on your last statement ha
Your computer is the last thing a girl does care about you.
Your computer is the last thing a girl does care about you.+1
Your computer is the last thing a girl does care about you.+1
(except for the super geeky girls who study computer science and computer engineering themselves; but they tend to have lots of stickers on their laptops and give the laptops pet names etc.)
College experience is not just girls by the way. I joined a fraternity and a few clubs, people I met were mostly outdoor people in those years: climbing, trekking, playing music in a gypsy manner, I swore I never wanted to touch computers again.
Oh, were we talking about ThinkPad by the way?
I'm sure you can run your music software on a Thinkpad, newer X or T models are pretty good and they are quite easy to service.
I'm sure you can run your music software on a Thinkpad, newer X or T models are pretty good and they are quite easy to service.
What do you recommend :P
Are you trying to scare me off Thinkpads? Because i am now wary. Maybe I should just stay with my Macbook since Thinkpads are ****tier in general.TP's numbers are TP4 numbers... Crazy, like he is. :))
Agreed, never buy Lenovo high end models new as they are overpriced for consumers, used though, they are one of the best bargains you can get.
I'm sure you can run your music software on a Thinkpad, newer X or T models are pretty good and they are quite easy to service.
What do you recommend :P
Depends on your budget, but I do not under any circumstances, recommend getting a new laptop from Lenovo directly, they tend to be pretty overpriced that way, but you can find T450 or T450s models for like £300-400 on Ebay at new or like new condition.
If you've got cash to spare, the X250/260 or the X1 Carbon is really nice (but the X1 is limited in some ways)
I will be upgrading my mother's 2011 Macbook Pro with new RAM and an SSD this weekend. We'll see how it goes.
My ex-girlfriend did a similar upgrade to her 2010 Macbook Pro and she says that it works great.
All in all, this type of upgrade should not cost more than $200 and probably will extend the life of your Macbook for at least a couple more years. If you are concerned with Thinkpad features and the latest components, then a Thinkpad is worth it to you. If you are concerned with raw performance, I think the Macbook Pro upgrade is worth it.
I'd get a Thinkpad just for the hype, but first I need to find one ;D I want to kill myself when my Mac takes one minute to start up and one minute to open Firefox... And another one minute to open word...
What are these "Thinkpad features and the latest components" you speak of? I know only about the trackpoint and the nice keyboard. Seems like getting a X220 would be a good choice for me, since I like that style of keys... Preferably in ISO too haha.
Tp4tissue likes to troll about Thinkpads, take it easy, guys.
Leslieann is giving you --off hand-- pricing which only works if you had all those things laying around..
Leslieann is giving you --off hand-- pricing which only works if you had all those things laying around..
Receipts from when I built mine.
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I don't remember which exact card I used (I sold my X220 for $450 a few months ago) but here is one for comparison.
450meg wifi card Intel 5300 or 6300 $7.50 - Ebay (http://www.ebay.com/sch/Internal-Network-Cards/20318/i.html?_sop=15&LH_BIN=1&_from=R40&_nkw=intel%205300&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=1&_trksid=p2045573.m1684)
That's the wrong ram.. need 16gb 1866 to fully xperience the glory of x220No, you don't need that ram. With 16gb it's still plenty fast compared to anything in it's class even today. Would it be faster, of course, but it's not required to make a beast of a laptop.
Gotta get on the wifi AC if you buy a card today.
there are several different versions of the IPS, the first 2 iterations had banding issues.. Only the later ones were fixed.
SSD side, 512gb is recommended to get any productivity suite going on there.
That's the wrong ram.. need 16gb 1866 to fully xperience the glory of x220No, you don't need that ram. With 16gb it's still plenty fast compared to anything in it's class even today. Would it be faster, of course, but it's not required to make a beast of a laptop.
Gotta get on the wifi AC if you buy a card today.
there are several different versions of the IPS, the first 2 iterations had banding issues.. Only the later ones were fixed.
SSD side, 512gb is recommended to get any productivity suite going on there.
Wireless AC is useless unless you have a file server to store large files, most people are not transferring that much data back and forth on a laptop. N150 is enough to stream HD, 300 is enough to stream HD while transferring files or surfing. Beyond that you get diminishing returns every step up.
IPS, Lenovo puts manufacturing dates right on the bottom of the laptop, mine had no banding. If you work outdoors, get IPS, if you work indoors, especially at night liek i do, you may actually prefer the TFT. In low light settings the IPS is like having a flashlight shone in your face. Screens are $60 and a 10 minute swap.
Drive size,
There are six 480-512gb drives currently on Newegg for $109), that's only $40 more. Not a big deal.
That said, I get by just fine on 256, even with triple boot, Solidworks and Photoshop, as would 90% of people (in my experience, most people have less than 200gigs on their system). Productivity suites do not require 200 gigs of data. At any rate, the X220 allows for 2 drives to be installed, you can easily add a second drive later if you need the space. The T420 you can ditch the dvd and add a second drive.
Tp4tissue likes to troll about Thinkpads, take it easy, guys.
How dare u...
Tp4 haz x220 mastery lvl 999....
Leslieann is giving you --off hand-- pricing which only works if you had all those things laying around..
Which is far less realistic a pricing quote than my list.Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/ahaaah-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862489)
You know the saying you know hes lying because his lips are moving... With Tp, you know he's trolling when his fingers are moving.That's the wrong ram.. need 16gb 1866 to fully xperience the glory of x220No, you don't need that ram. With 16gb it's still plenty fast compared to anything in it's class even today. Would it be faster, of course, but it's not required to make a beast of a laptop.
Gotta get on the wifi AC if you buy a card today.
there are several different versions of the IPS, the first 2 iterations had banding issues.. Only the later ones were fixed.
SSD side, 512gb is recommended to get any productivity suite going on there.
Wireless AC is useless unless you have a file server to store large files, most people are not transferring that much data back and forth on a laptop. N150 is enough to stream HD, 300 is enough to stream HD while transferring files or surfing. Beyond that you get diminishing returns every step up.
IPS, Lenovo puts manufacturing dates right on the bottom of the laptop, mine had no banding. If you work outdoors, get IPS, if you work indoors, especially at night liek i do, you may actually prefer the TFT. In low light settings the IPS is like having a flashlight shone in your face. Screens are $60 and a 10 minute swap.
Drive size,
There are six 480-512gb drives currently on Newegg for $109), that's only $40 more. Not a big deal.
That said, I get by just fine on 256, even with triple boot, Solidworks and Photoshop, as would 90% of people (in my experience, most people have less than 200gigs on their system). Productivity suites do not require 200 gigs of data. At any rate, the X220 allows for 2 drives to be installed, you can easily add a second drive later if you need the space. The T420 you can ditch the dvd and add a second drive.
Psst, I think he's trolling :p
Tp4tissue likes to troll about Thinkpads, take it easy, guys.
How dare u...
Tp4 haz x220 mastery lvl 999....
Leslieann is giving you --off hand-- pricing which only works if you had all those things laying around..
Which is far less realistic a pricing quote than my list.Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/ahaaah-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862489)
My bad, I will return to bowing down in worship.
I looked at Thinkpads but didn't like the direction Lenovo was going
Has anybody seen these Chinese replacement motherboards for old Thinkpads (https://www.51nb.com/mb/)?
They look very sweet at first glance... Modern i7-HQ CPU (not socketed), dual SO-DIMM slots, dual M.2. slots and SATA.
Has anybody seen these Chinese replacement motherboards for old Thinkpads (https://www.51nb.com/mb/)?
They look very sweet at first glance... Modern i7-HQ CPU (not socketed), dual SO-DIMM slots, dual M.2. slots and SATA.
The chance to put one of these good old TP to work again is nice. But, the site and all is very confusing. Also, it seems that demand is much higher than supply and that is a death combo for final consumers, price-wise.
modern media is all widescreen.If the primary task is to watch movies, then maybe a Thinkpad wasn't then best choice in the first place.
modern media is all widescreen.If the primary task is to watch movies, then maybe a Thinkpad wasn't then best choice in the first place.
The point of resurrecting an old ThinkPad would be the screen's aspect ratio ... and of course the keyboard.
I understand some people like the old ratio (and the keyboard), but you are paying an VERY heavy price for those two items.modern media is all widescreen.If the primary task is to watch movies, then maybe a Thinkpad wasn't then best choice in the first place.
The point of resurrecting an old ThinkPad would be the screen's aspect ratio ... and of course the keyboard.
I am a thinkpad fan-boi. But, truth be told, keyboard alone does not justify to tolerate the other low spec hardware, particularly the old materials in batteries. I am writing this with my favorite custom keyboard wired to the T460s docked with a nice high res display. I will never be able to do the same with my old X61T even with the upgraded mother board. My current setup has a dedicated graphics card, 20G or RAM the fastest NVme SDD. What motivation I may have to retroing to my old TP for a price?They do have NVME and can handle equal amounts of ram, but the processor price goes up from $740 depending on generation and model (they have newer), so you really do get a modern board. You also have to spend a bunch for a "rare" IPS display for it if you want a modern screen and none of that does anything for weight, thickness or battery.