Post by: alexjd99 on Tue, 24 November 2015, 22:44:53
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 24 November 2015, 22:59:42
There is no easy way to learn. Persistence is key. You are remapping the way your brain works, it takes time.
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 November 2015, 23:09:39
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 25 November 2015, 03:34:43
Then when Linux was invented and I started using it, somehow I got on to elvis (another vi clone).
Then I dabbled with FreeBSD, which has more like the original vi.
Now I generally use CentOS 6/7 and Debian 8, which include vim.
Mostly I just use vim as if it was elvis or vi.
Post by: toneman77 on Wed, 25 November 2015, 09:53:16
I'm having a very hard time learning Vim, so I was curious if anyone knew any way for me to learn without feeling like I'm being hit by a busTry the command vimtutor in the command line and/or http://vim-adventures.com/ both helped me a lot.
Post by: henz on Wed, 25 November 2015, 09:57:43
http://www.viemu.com/vi-vim-cheat-sheet.gif (http://www.viemu.com/vi-vim-cheat-sheet.gif)
Post by: potatowire on Fri, 27 November 2015, 06:57:31
Post by: osi on Fri, 27 November 2015, 07:09:13
Post by: vkulla on Thu, 24 March 2016, 19:29:02
http://vim-adventures.com/
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 24 March 2016, 20:10:10
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 24 March 2016, 20:23:11
Add stuff on top slowly, like w, e, and b for navigating through words, and start looking into selections and copy/paste.
Once you're comfortable with that, look up how to do things when you have the need to.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 24 March 2016, 21:05:54
Now the real question is, how did I re-learn Vim when I switched to Dvorak?
Post by: alexjd99 on Fri, 25 March 2016, 21:06:46
Vimtutor, like everyone else.
Now the real question is, how did I re-learn Vim when I switched to Dvorak?
By becoming a masochist?
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 26 March 2016, 01:42:30
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 26 March 2016, 02:09:08
Vimtutor, like everyone else.
Now the real question is, how did I re-learn Vim when I switched to Dvorak?
Everyone else?
I didn't :p
Post by: kittenpolice on Sat, 26 March 2016, 02:16:51
Post by: naasfu on Sat, 26 March 2016, 02:49:22
Too hard for me, I gave up in less than 2 hours.
i think i got about as far before getting frustrated. i think i'm too old to learn new (well, vi is rather old) tricks.
maybe i'll try this vimtutor sometime.
Post by: frarees on Sat, 26 March 2016, 04:05:30
Found this guy's post interesting (https://benfrain.com/learning-vim-front-end-coding-month/). He talks his experience, some plugins he uses on vim and how important and personal vimrc is.
The change didn't happened until I decided to actually use vim for small edits, then started using it to write small programs. After several days using it I found it quite natural, and I don't feel like going back. You start with a few commands basic commands (e.g. dw, gg, r, C...) and as you go you find out more interesting ones that fit with your usage (e.g. ciw, viB were some good ones in my case). It was worth the change for sure :thumb:
Good luck!
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 26 March 2016, 04:36:12
Not really a tutorial, according to Mike, but seems to give a reasonable overview of lots of vim's features.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 March 2016, 07:26:05
Rowdy I thought you wrote Vim.Vimtutor, like everyone else.
Now the real question is, how did I re-learn Vim when I switched to Dvorak?
Everyone else?
I didn't
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 26 March 2016, 07:47:52
Took me a week to get the basics in my muscle memory up to the point that I didn't really had to think about them. With basics, I mean hjkl for navigation, dd to delete line, motions, text objects, etc.
The more advanced stuff like customization and vimscript took me a month or so to become and feel comfortable with (what plugins, when NOT to use plugins, personal .vimrc, etc.).
But honestly, you keep learning new stuff with vim or getting new preferences. And now I'm curious about emacs / spacemacs.
Post by: thelectronicnub on Sat, 26 March 2016, 23:01:01
nano best editor
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 27 March 2016, 04:44:34
Rowdy I thought you wrote Vim.Vimtutor, like everyone else.
Now the real question is, how did I re-learn Vim when I switched to Dvorak?
Everyone else?
I didn't
I have written a few editors in my time, but nothing like vim.
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 27 March 2016, 05:48:17
i didn't
nano best editor
nano? for real? what about mcedit?
Post by: jwaz on Sun, 27 March 2016, 05:57:04
i didn't
nano best editor
nano? for real? what about mcedit?
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png) (https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 27 March 2016, 07:18:21
i didn't
nano best editor
nano? for real? what about mcedit?
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png) (https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)
I actually laughed. :thumb:
Post by: CSCoder4ever on Fri, 01 April 2016, 14:48:26
Post by: mr67volks on Fri, 08 April 2016, 01:26:20
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 08 April 2016, 04:19:12
Are there any other editors around that have the power of either vim or emacs?
Post by: iri on Fri, 08 April 2016, 05:43:28
vim is heaven. vim rules! (and emacs rules)Are there any other editors around that have the power of spacemacs?
Are there any other editors around that have the power of either vim or emacs?
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 08 April 2016, 05:44:17
vim is heaven. vim rules! (and emacs rules)Are there any other editors around that have the power of spacemacs?
Are there any other editors around that have the power of either vim or emacs?
Spacemacs is nice. Makes me want to learn elisp.
Post by: iri on Fri, 08 April 2016, 05:54:26
I did :pVimtutor, like everyone else.
Now the real question is, how did I re-learn Vim when I switched to Dvorak?
Everyone else?
I didn't :p
Also, I printed the cheat sheet and hanged it on the wall near my monitors.
Also, a series of brilliant articles in Russia.
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 08 April 2016, 05:56:20
First you learn vim, then you move onto spacemacs and discover what a nice OS emacs is and then you switch to emacs with personal config and personal elisp so that you can have your favorite editor with vim bindings in every app in your OS.
Though spacemacs really IS slower than vim in my experience..
Post by: iri on Fri, 08 April 2016, 06:01:30
Soon Neovim shall rise and you'll be able to use your favourite programming language with it.vim is heaven. vim rules! (and emacs rules)Are there any other editors around that have the power of spacemacs?
Are there any other editors around that have the power of either vim or emacs?
Spacemacs is nice. Makes me want to learn elisp.
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Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 08 April 2016, 06:18:33
Soon Neovim shall rise and you'll be able to use your favourite programming language with it.vim is heaven. vim rules! (and emacs rules)Are there any other editors around that have the power of spacemacs?
Are there any other editors around that have the power of either vim or emacs?
Spacemacs is nice. Makes me want to learn elisp.
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Neovim is quite awesome. Now only if there would be native support for something better then vimscript.
Post by: iri on Fri, 08 April 2016, 07:47:03
Oh, but there is native support for Lua. And why would you need native support when you can use any language which has an implementation of msgpack-rpc?Soon Neovim shall rise and you'll be able to use your favourite programming language with it.vim is heaven. vim rules! (and emacs rules)Are there any other editors around that have the power of spacemacs?
Are there any other editors around that have the power of either vim or emacs?
Spacemacs is nice. Makes me want to learn elisp.
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Neovim is quite awesome. Now only if there would be native support for something better then vimscript.
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 08 April 2016, 07:56:23
Oh, but there is native support for Lua. And why would you need native support when you can use any language which has an implementation of msgpack-rpc?Soon Neovim shall rise and you'll be able to use your favourite programming language with it.vim is heaven. vim rules! (and emacs rules)Are there any other editors around that have the power of spacemacs?
Are there any other editors around that have the power of either vim or emacs?
Spacemacs is nice. Makes me want to learn elisp.
(Attachment Link)
Neovim is quite awesome. Now only if there would be native support for something better then vimscript.
msgpack-rpc? But that would require to have, for instance, a python instance running alongside and python communication with neovim via msgpack-rpc amirite?
Post by: iri on Fri, 08 April 2016, 07:59:23
Yes.Oh, but there is native support for Lua. And why would you need native support when you can use any language which has an implementation of msgpack-rpc?Soon Neovim shall rise and you'll be able to use your favourite programming language with it.vim is heaven. vim rules! (and emacs rules)Are there any other editors around that have the power of spacemacs?
Are there any other editors around that have the power of either vim or emacs?
Spacemacs is nice. Makes me want to learn elisp.
(Attachment Link)
Neovim is quite awesome. Now only if there would be native support for something better then vimscript.
msgpack-rpc? But that would require to have, for instance, a python instance running alongside and python communication with neovim via msgpack-rpc amirite?
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 08 April 2016, 08:11:36
Yes.Oh, but there is native support for Lua. And why would you need native support when you can use any language which has an implementation of msgpack-rpc?Soon Neovim shall rise and you'll be able to use your favourite programming language with it.vim is heaven. vim rules! (and emacs rules)Are there any other editors around that have the power of spacemacs?
Are there any other editors around that have the power of either vim or emacs?
Spacemacs is nice. Makes me want to learn elisp.
(Attachment Link)
Neovim is quite awesome. Now only if there would be native support for something better then vimscript.
msgpack-rpc? But that would require to have, for instance, a python instance running alongside and python communication with neovim via msgpack-rpc amirite?
That's pretty cool. I should look into that. Though I always had the feeling that native vimscript is faster then relying on such communication. But I could be entirely wrong of course.
Post by: iri on Fri, 08 April 2016, 08:32:55
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 08 April 2016, 09:14:13
For trivial tasks like moving cursor inside the buffer you won't notice the difference on a modern machine. For computation intensive tasks you'd better go with languages other than VimL :p
I tried to go hardcore with viml and learn it. I program in many languages and I can quickly learn a language when necessary (and API's). But viml? viml is a b*tch. The legacy, the abbreviations. It makes Perl look nice in comparison. I HATE viml. But yeah... if you're in love with vim there is no way out. Except for there is now with neovim..
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 13 April 2016, 17:44:50
Version 8 is coming ...
https://github.com/vim/vim/blob/master/runtime/doc/version8.txt
Who's excited?
Post by: iri on Thu, 14 April 2016, 04:13:24
This seems to be the most recent Vim thread.Nope =)
Version 8 is coming ...
https://github.com/vim/vim/blob/master/runtime/doc/version8.txt
Who's excited?
Post by: iLLucionist on Thu, 14 April 2016, 16:48:58
This seems to be the most recent Vim thread.
Version 8 is coming ...
https://github.com/vim/vim/blob/master/runtime/doc/version8.txt
Who's excited?
I'm f**king excited. Cannot wait for it to come out. (Seriously)
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 21 April 2016, 17:31:06
https://spin.atomicobject.com/2016/04/19/vim-commands-cheat-sheet/
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 13:35:51
Here's quite a good basic command cheat sheet:
https://spin.atomicobject.com/2016/04/19/vim-commands-cheat-sheet/
Cool, didn't knew that one.
But I think that people need to understand the concept of "motions" and "text objects" and "quantifiers" like "3dw" (3 times delete word) first, to put cheat sheets more in context. I know that I confused all of them initially.
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 24 April 2016, 01:00:37
Here's quite a good basic command cheat sheet:
https://spin.atomicobject.com/2016/04/19/vim-commands-cheat-sheet/
Cool, didn't knew that one.
But I think that people need to understand the concept of "motions" and "text objects" and "quantifiers" like "3dw" (3 times delete word) first, to put cheat sheets more in context. I know that I confused all of them initially.
I kind of worked that out intuitively and use that sort of functionality all the times. Sometimes, depending on the size of the file, it is quicker for me to do that than work out the search/replace syntax.
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 12 October 2017, 18:19:14