I love MX reds and really appreciate the fact that they're a very light switch. Reading that both MX reds and Realforce 88UB had 45g force, I was hoping them to be very similar. The Topre 45g feels considerably heavier than MX reds, close to blacks I would say. Whenever I get home type on my MX reds I feel like I'm smashing the keyboard, at least in the first couple of minutes. I'd like the Topres to be a bit lighter but I enjoy them non the less.
Beware what people say on the internet, though. Anyone who thinks 45g (regular) Topre is close to MX red is deluded. There's various ways to measure switch weights out there (the right way and the wrong way, evidently…) but in all reality 45g Topre is in between MX red and black, leaning towards black. A lot of non-MX switches are right in that range actually, it's something of a sweet spot. Most Alps switches are right around there too.
I often carry my board home from work with me. I am not a desperate IT camper. :rolleyes:
To answer your question though, there is no direct comparison, they are just different. However you might want to look into the Zealios. The 67g tactile switches have been said to have torpe-like feel. It is probably as close as you are going to get. I spent all day typing on a HHKB, and I'm typing this post an some 67g Zealios. They don't really feel the same at all, but I can see where people draw the comparison. You'd have to do a custom build if you were interested in those tho.
My advice...buy an hhkb and call it day.
I think Cherry MX brown is the Cherry MX switch that is most similar to Topre, but they are still very different. They are just similar in the sense that they are tactile, but the feeling is totally different. I think the different between Topre and MX brown is the different between apple juice and orange juice: they are both juice, but do not taste like each other. Orange juice is more similar to apple juice compared to coffee, but it's not apple juice.
Definitely Blue Alps or BS.
My advice...buy an hhkb and call it day.
I know you said cherry MX, but you might want to look into Matias Quiet Click switches. They're nice and quiet like Topre, and have a good solid and precise tactile bump.
Also, you said you don't want to do any soldering without good reason - Purple Zealios are great switches, there's your "good reason"
My advice...buy an hhkb and call it day.
How did youknowwho not see this and applaud you?
And quality post above that, tbh.
Where can I get these 67 zealios for cheap?
Where can I get these 67 zealios for cheap?
Which is hardly cheap, for a whole board, but hey, there isn't really any other option for them at the moment... I think I saw some on the Classifieds a while ago. (I'm typing on some 67g Zealios right now, and loving it!!!)Where can I get these 67 zealios for cheap?
Here (http://zealpc.net/collections/switches), they are a buck each.
Which is hardly cheap, for a whole board, but hey, there isn't really any other option for them at the moment... I think I saw some on the Classifieds a while ago. (I'm typing on some 67g Zealios right now, and loving it!!!)Where can I get these 67 zealios for cheap?
Here (http://zealpc.net/collections/switches), they are a buck each.
Which is hardly cheap, for a whole board, but hey, there isn't really any other option for them at the moment... I think I saw some on the Classifieds a while ago. (I'm typing on some 67g Zealios right now, and loving it!!!)Where can I get these 67 zealios for cheap?
Here (http://zealpc.net/collections/switches), they are a buck each.
Well if you think about the time and effort it takes to get cherry mx clears, open them up, swap out the springs and replace them with clear tops and so forth I'd definitely say they are worth it
They fill out a nice gap in the market for what I am going to call "semi custom switches" - modded to a certain extent but without lube/stickers etc
Which is hardly cheap, for a whole board, but hey, there isn't really any other option for them at the moment... I think I saw some on the Classifieds a while ago. (I'm typing on some 67g Zealios right now, and loving it!!!)Where can I get these 67 zealios for cheap?
Here (http://zealpc.net/collections/switches), they are a buck each.
Well if you think about the time and effort it takes to get cherry mx clears, open them up, swap out the springs and replace them with clear tops and so forth I'd definitely say they are worth it
They fill out a nice gap in the market for what I am going to call "semi custom switches" - modded to a certain extent but without lube/stickers etc
But modding switches is very funny and entertaining.
For me opening dozens and dozens of switches and swapping parts around gets really old after a while.Which is hardly cheap, for a whole board, but hey, there isn't really any other option for them at the moment... I think I saw some on the Classifieds a while ago. (I'm typing on some 67g Zealios right now, and loving it!!!)Where can I get these 67 zealios for cheap?
Here (http://zealpc.net/collections/switches), they are a buck each.
Well if you think about the time and effort it takes to get cherry mx clears, open them up, swap out the springs and replace them with clear tops and so forth I'd definitely say they are worth it
They fill out a nice gap in the market for what I am going to call "semi custom switches" - modded to a certain extent but without lube/stickers etc
But modding switches is very funny and entertaining.
For me opening dozens and dozens of switches and swapping parts around gets really old after a while.Which is hardly cheap, for a whole board, but hey, there isn't really any other option for them at the moment... I think I saw some on the Classifieds a while ago. (I'm typing on some 67g Zealios right now, and loving it!!!)Where can I get these 67 zealios for cheap?
Here (http://zealpc.net/collections/switches), they are a buck each.
Well if you think about the time and effort it takes to get cherry mx clears, open them up, swap out the springs and replace them with clear tops and so forth I'd definitely say they are worth it
They fill out a nice gap in the market for what I am going to call "semi custom switches" - modded to a certain extent but without lube/stickers etc
But modding switches is very funny and entertaining.
For me opening dozens and dozens of switches and swapping parts around gets really old after a while.
For me opening dozens and dozens of switches and swapping parts around gets really old after a while.
If by a while you mean a single keyboard, I'd agree wholeheartedly.
For me opening dozens and dozens of switches and swapping parts around gets really old after a while.
If by a while you mean a single keyboard, I'd agree wholeheartedly.
Ha! I've still got a phantom that I need to finish swapping springs and stems in, I only got though ~40 switches before I was done.
It is time to lock this thread.
If you want a Topre board to feel like a Cherry board, it's easy. Just buy a Topre board, pull the keycaps and pour sand in the switch housings. Conversion to Cherry, done!
If you want a Topre board to feel like a Cherry board, it's easy. Just buy a Topre board, pull the keycaps and pour sand in the switch housings. Conversion to Cherry, done!
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Cherry.
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If you want a Topre board to feel like a Cherry board, it's easy. Just buy a Topre board, pull the keycaps and pour sand in the switch housings. Conversion to Cherry, done!
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If you want a Topre board to feel like a Cherry board, it's easy. Just buy a Topre board, pull the keycaps and pour sand in the switch housings. Conversion to Cherry, done!
Sounds like someone hasn't been fortunate enough to try lubed Vintage Blacks, or lubed Zealios. :p
In the mechanical keyboard realm there has been a long and never ending fight between Topre users and the rest of us, discrete switches based keyboards users; even, within the Topre group there is a subgroup of those that praise the HHKB Pro as the only board that worth having. Sometimes there are connections, like galactic worm holes within GH, where the two worlds meet, like this thread. The fact is that each group can live well and enjoy their keyboard passion at their own world, but when the two join they may clash. This thread is a classic example, some times these encounters are entertaining, other are just nasty discussions with no argumentation, nor warrants, empty bezels of idiosyncratic thoughts.
As most people will tell you, they're completely different approaches to switch design. It's like asking, "What kind of ice cream is most like a hamburger?"
The obvious solution is to have one of everything, and rotate between them as you please. Some people on here actually do this. :?O
In the mechanical keyboard realm there has been a long and never ending fight between Topre users and the rest of us, discrete switches based keyboards users; even, within the Topre group there is a subgroup of those that praise the HHKB Pro as the only board that worth having. Sometimes there are connections, like galactic worm holes within GH, where the two worlds meet, like this thread. The fact is that each group can live well and enjoy their keyboard passion at their own world, but when the two join they may clash. This thread is a classic example, some times these encounters are entertaining, other are just nasty discussions with no argumentation, nor warrants, empty bezels of idiosyncratic thoughts.
In the mechanical keyboard realm there has been a long and never ending fight between Topre users and the rest of us, discrete switches based keyboards users; even, within the Topre group there is a subgroup of those that praise the HHKB Pro as the only board that worth having. Sometimes there are connections, like galactic worm holes within GH, where the two worlds meet, like this thread. The fact is that each group can live well and enjoy their keyboard passion at their own world, but when the two join they may clash. This thread is a classic example, some times these encounters are entertaining, other are just nasty discussions with no argumentation, nor warrants, empty bezels of idiosyncratic thoughts.
I don't think there is that much of a "never ending fight"
Most people I see who are Topre owners typically own quite few MX boards as well. There aren't that many Topre only people out there
In the mechanical keyboard realm there has been a long and never ending fight between Topre users and the rest of us, discrete switches based keyboards users; even, within the Topre group there is a subgroup of those that praise the HHKB Pro as the only board that worth having. Sometimes there are connections, like galactic worm holes within GH, where the two worlds meet, like this thread. The fact is that each group can live well and enjoy their keyboard passion at their own world, but when the two join they may clash. This thread is a classic example, some times these encounters are entertaining, other are just nasty discussions with no argumentation, nor warrants, empty bezels of idiosyncratic thoughts.
I don't think there is that much of a "never ending fight"
Most people I see who are Topre owners typically own quite few MX boards as well. There aren't that many Topre only people out there
I think as long as you don't think a Razer or Corsair keyboard is the best thing ever you'll get along here pretty well regardless of what you end up using
Those are the renegades, a different breed of keyboard users.
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If you want to try topre, go get your closest rubber dome and then imagine a version of it that you would actually like :p
I have to agree with the rubberdome statement. I've got a *good* RB keyboard sitting here next to a Realforce 55. Actuation and force/distance feel almost exactly the same, but the Realforce is more solid in travel (keys don't rattle about) and sounds nicer.
I have to agree with the rubberdome statement. I've got a *good* RB keyboard sitting here next to a Realforce 55. Actuation and force/distance feel almost exactly the same, but the Realforce is more solid in travel (keys don't rattle about) and sounds nicer.
This is one of the more objective statement about Topres that I have read so far.
If you want to try topre, go get your closest rubber dome and then imagine a version of it that you would actually like :p
lies lies lies
If you want to try topre, go get your closest rubber dome and then imagine a version of it that you would actually like :p
lies lies lies
pfft, you can't tell me that.
If you want to try topre, go get your closest rubber dome and then imagine a version of it that you would actually like :p
lies lies lies
pfft, you can't tell me that.
there can be only one spike spiegel
I have to agree with the rubberdome statement. I've got a *good* RB keyboard sitting here next to a Realforce 55. Actuation and force/distance feel almost exactly the same, but the Realforce is more solid in travel (keys don't rattle about) and sounds nicer.
This is one of the more objective statement about Topres that I have read so far.
Certainly more accurate than MX vs Topre, for sure.
A better analogy is probably something along these lines;
Comparing MX and Topre is like comparing Whiskey and Vodka. They're both spirits, but they're completely different otherwise.
Comparing a rubber dome to Topre is like comparing a cheap $10 bottle of scotch, and a bottle of Macallan 21. They're both scotch, and share some inherit traits because of that, but they're still so very different.
I have to agree with the rubberdome statement. I've got a *good* RB keyboard sitting here next to a Realforce 55. Actuation and force/distance feel almost exactly the same, but the Realforce is more solid in travel (keys don't rattle about) and sounds nicer.
This is one of the more objective statement about Topres that I have read so far.
Certainly more accurate than MX vs Topre, for sure.
A better analogy is probably something along these lines;
Comparing MX and Topre is like comparing Whiskey and Vodka. They're both spirits, but they're completely different otherwise.
Comparing a rubber dome to Topre is like comparing a cheap $10 bottle of scotch, and a bottle of Macallan 21. They're both scotch, and share some inherit traits because of that, but they're still so very different.
I have to agree with the rubberdome statement. I've got a *good* RB keyboard sitting here next to a Realforce 55. Actuation and force/distance feel almost exactly the same, but the Realforce is more solid in travel (keys don't rattle about) and sounds nicer.
This is one of the more objective statement about Topres that I have read so far.
Certainly more accurate than MX vs Topre, for sure.
A better analogy is probably something along these lines;
Comparing MX and Topre is like comparing Whiskey and Vodka. They're both spirits, but they're completely different otherwise.
Comparing a rubber dome to Topre is like comparing a cheap $10 bottle of scotch, and a bottle of Macallan 21. They're both scotch, and share some inherit traits because of that, but they're still so very different.
That analogy only serves to highlight how switches are a completely personal preference- I much prefer the simple Macallan 12 to any of the older versions :)
In the mechanical keyboard realm there has been a long and never ending fight between Topre users and the rest of us...
I don't think there is that much of a "never ending fight"...
The obvious solution is to have one of everything, and rotate between them as you please...
Owning one of everything that interests me (which is almost everything), then rotating between them is my goal. As a keyboard enthusiast, I find that rotating between different boards to be great fun...
I'm not really a keyboard enthusiast. I work on them and they're a tool for me. I don't mod mine other than adding a few different color keycaps. I would rather stand buck naked and be pressure washed than take a keyboard apart and add some rubber bands or solder some switches.
I've got a *good* RB keyboard sitting here next to a Realforce 55. Actuation and force/distance feel almost exactly the same, but the Realforce is more solid in travel (keys don't rattle about) and sounds nicer.
Comparing MX and Topre is like comparing Whiskey and Vodka. They're both spirits, but they're completely different otherwise. Comparing a rubber dome to Topre is like comparing a cheap $10 bottle of scotch, and a bottle of Macallan 21. They're both scotch, and share some inherit traits because of that, but they're still so very different.
Of course they are a preference. But people still like to argue about how the switches feel, not just how good they feel. It's something that numbers can't explain, you really have to try it to know it.