Thank you for your input
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Bro,
I actually originally started a poll and discussion on Reddit and they suggested I also open up the discussion to GH as well because I understand you all probably have much different opinions about the subject at hand. Could you help shed light on how you feel about the subject matter, K3KC, and clack in general?
Thank you
It's not that K3KC blatantly rips off keycaps that bothers me most; it's that people actually buy them.
I don't understand the whole fake-designer-purse/imitation-Apple mentality. Why buy something that blatantly rips off another's design, down to the actual name or scheme, if you're not buying the real deal? Doesn't buying the real product show that you're buying a combination of quality (subjective) and brand name (objective)? Whereas, if you get the fake product you're just buying it for the name.
The same applies to artisan caps. People in the mech world obviously know K3KC is ripping off just for a cash grab, but I don't get why you'd want to get them if anyone who knows the original design can tell immediately it's a fake.
I can understand something like jewelry where a certain design or color can be rather pleasing but the pricetag of the real thing can be too high, so you get something of a lesser value if it imitates just that color or shape. However, stuff like fake purses, tech that looks just like Apple products, or faux artisans imitates the real product down to the iota because they know it'll sell.
Maybe it just goes over my head. I was never into wearing name brands with the name sprawled across my chest or ass, or on my head or feet, so I guess I'll just never get the mentality.
It's not that K3KC blatantly rips off keycaps that bothers me most; it's that people actually buy them.
I don't understand the whole fake-designer-purse/imitation-Apple mentality. Why buy something that blatantly rips off another's design, down to the actual name or scheme, if you're not buying the real deal? Doesn't buying the real product show that you're buying a combination of quality (subjective) and brand name (objective)? Whereas, if you get the fake product you're just buying it for the name.
The same applies to artisan caps. People in the mech world obviously know K3KC is ripping off just for a cash grab, but I don't get why you'd want to get them if anyone who knows the original design can tell immediately it's a fake.
I can understand something like jewelry where a certain design or color can be rather pleasing but the pricetag of the real thing can be too high, so you get something of a lesser value if it imitates just that color or shape. However, stuff like fake purses, tech that looks just like Apple products, or faux artisans imitates the real product down to the iota because they know it'll sell.
Maybe it just goes over my head. I was never into wearing name brands with the name sprawled across my chest or ass, or on my head or feet, so I guess I'll just never get the mentality.
Some people appreciate the way an item looks and don't (or can't) dish out the cash necessary for the real thing. Rolex makes some very good looking watches. Would I pay $1000 or more for one? Most likely not since that's out of the range I'm willing to spend for the product. If there was a watch that looked identical to it, even if it was cheaply-made, more unreliable, and an evident knockoff (because of the way the second hand mechanism works), but it cost $50 I would certainly consider purchasing it.
Yes, the design is stolen from Rolex, but I think that's an issue for Rolex to take care of. I wouldn't have bought their watch anyways, at least not at that point. Maybe in the future I would get tired of the crummy knockoff and treat myself to the real deal. In the meantime though I would not complain about the fake.
Now this is not an entirely valid comparison since we are delving into more than just a product; it's art. However, with this too it's difficult to compare. I can't own a Picasso painting, but I can certainly buy a print to hang up in my own home.
This is also not the best comparison because paintings aren't really under copyright (or maybe they are?). I just think there's a lot to consider.
I am sure K3 is none these things and is just a twat that had the opportunity to make his own work but chose not to.
If you can't buy a rolex why not buy another stylish watch that is closer to your budget?
K3 is ... just a twat that had the opportunity to make his own work but chose not to.
It's not that K3KC blatantly rips off keycaps that bothers me most; it's that people actually buy them.
I don't understand the whole fake-designer-purse/imitation-Apple mentality. Why buy something that blatantly rips off another's design, down to the actual name or scheme, if you're not buying the real deal? Doesn't buying the real product show that you're buying a combination of quality (subjective) and brand name (objective)? Whereas, if you get the fake product you're just buying it for the name.
The same applies to artisan caps. People in the mech world obviously know K3KC is ripping off just for a cash grab, but I don't get why you'd want to get them if anyone who knows the original design can tell immediately it's a fake.
I can understand something like jewelry where a certain design or color can be rather pleasing but the pricetag of the real thing can be too high, so you get something of a lesser value if it imitates just that color or shape. However, stuff like fake purses, tech that looks just like Apple products, or faux artisans imitates the real product down to the iota because they know it'll sell.
Maybe it just goes over my head. I was never into wearing name brands with the name sprawled across my chest or ass, or on my head or feet, so I guess I'll just never get the mentality.
Some people appreciate the way an item looks and don't (or can't) dish out the cash necessary for the real thing. Rolex makes some very good looking watches. Would I pay $1000 or more for one? Most likely not since that's out of the range I'm willing to spend for the product. If there was a watch that looked identical to it, even if it was cheaply-made, more unreliable, and an evident knockoff (because of the way the second hand mechanism works), but it cost $50 I would certainly consider purchasing it.
Yes, the design is stolen from Rolex, but I think that's an issue for Rolex to take care of. I wouldn't have bought their watch anyways, at least not at that point. Maybe in the future I would get tired of the crummy knockoff and treat myself to the real deal. In the meantime though I would not complain about the fake.
Now this is not an entirely valid comparison since we are delving into more than just a product; it's art. However, with this too it's difficult to compare. I can't own a Picasso painting, but I can certainly buy a print to hang up in my own home.
This is also not the best comparison because paintings aren't really under copyright (or maybe they are?). I just think there's a lot to consider.
If you can't buy a rolex why not buy another stylish watch that is closer to your budget? It's not like there's only one brand of watch that is good.
Same goes for artisans. There's a lot of great makers aside from Bro & Clack.
Half the clothes we wear may be produced in child-labor factories. Our food is harvested by the individuals that accept the lowest wage.
Again, not an entirely fair or valid comparison, but that's the general mentality.
I'd punch him in his nasty monster looking teeth. He's probably as tall as me too
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So you would say the issue that created this fake market is people flipping originals?
So you would say the issue that created this fake market is people flipping originals?
Nope. The market price is determined by supply and demand forces, true. But K3's decision to be an ******* and create knockoff versions of someone else's intellectual property has nothing to to with that. Proof of that is demonstrated here every day, with many other artisan makers producing caps of their own designs, and having successful sales of those designs.
That said, K3 has not made a BB to my knowledge, so there are other reasons he's got as well.
That said, K3 has not made a BB to my knowledge, so there are other reasons he's got as well.
Possibly he hasn't been able to get his hands on a physical BB to copy?
I'd punch him in his nasty monster looking teeth. He's probably as tall as me too
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That said, K3 has not made a BB to my knowledge, so there are other reasons he's got as well.
That said, K3 has not made a BB to my knowledge, so there are other reasons he's got as well.
Possibly he hasn't been able to get his hands on a physical BB to copy?
Neither has he gotten the Cherokey but he copied that one.
I'm gonna admit this.
I met him on my summer break back to Vietnam and he showed me some of the caps he made. Out of those there was these caps that appeared just a blank keycaps but with different effect of color. And there the cap that impressed me the most has black on toxic green color, which the black shot appeared to be dripped into the green base while it's still not fully hardened. Well I actually was going to buy that, it is beautiful. But it was the last days before going back to Finland and the traveling things kept my head from the cap.
I'm gonna admit this.
I met him on my summer break back to Vietnam and he showed me some of the caps he made. Out of those there was these caps that appeared just a blank keycaps but with different effect of color. And there the cap that impressed me the most has black on toxic green color, which the black shot appeared to be dripped into the green base while it's still not fully hardened. Well I actually was going to buy that, it is beautiful. But it was the last days before going back to Finland and the traveling things kept my head from the cap.
Wait so you physically met him and you didn't attempt murder?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IyOHhMj.gif)
I'm gonna admit this.
I met him on my summer break back to Vietnam and he showed me some of the caps he made. Out of those there was these caps that appeared just a blank keycaps but with different effect of color. And there the cap that impressed me the most has black on toxic green color, which the black shot appeared to be dripped into the green base while it's still not fully hardened. Well I actually was going to buy that, it is beautiful. But it was the last days before going back to Finland and the traveling things kept my head from the cap.
Wait so you physically met him and you didn't attempt murder?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IyOHhMj.gif)
Keyboard is serious business. No joke.I'm gonna admit this.
I met him on my summer break back to Vietnam and he showed me some of the caps he made. Out of those there was these caps that appeared just a blank keycaps but with different effect of color. And there the cap that impressed me the most has black on toxic green color, which the black shot appeared to be dripped into the green base while it's still not fully hardened. Well I actually was going to buy that, it is beautiful. But it was the last days before going back to Finland and the traveling things kept my head from the cap.
Wait so you physically met him and you didn't attempt murder?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IyOHhMj.gif)
Murder seems a bit extreme. They're just little bits of plastic.
Yes, I know you're joking.
I'm gonna admit this.
I met him on my summer break back to Vietnam and he showed me some of the caps he made. Out of those there was these caps that appeared just a blank keycaps but with different effect of color. And there the cap that impressed me the most has black on toxic green color, which the black shot appeared to be dripped into the green base while it's still not fully hardened. Well I actually was going to buy that, it is beautiful. But it was the last days before going back to Finland and the traveling things kept my head from the cap.
Wait so you physically met him and you didn't attempt murder?
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That's what I was wondering as well. Y U NO KILL, BRO?
//the funny things is, I wish you guy could see the market of keyboard hobbyist in Vn, there are like kids selling bunches of "skull" or "bro" everyday (well, a bit of exaggerate lol), it is funny if we put in the context of knowing how hard and rare to find the similar but authentic cap. I saw those post and I just feel lucky for the fact that I am not into the collect game. Otherwise I would pissed.
//the funny things is, I wish you guy could see the market of keyboard hobbyist in Vn, there are like kids selling bunches of "skull" or "bro" everyday (well, a bit of exaggerate lol), it is funny if we put in the context of knowing how hard and rare to find the similar but authentic cap. I saw those post and I just feel lucky for the fact that I am not into the collect game. Otherwise I would pissed.
So there are street vendor kids out peddling artisan caps? "You want scull? You want bro?"
//the funny things is, I wish you guy could see the market of keyboard hobbyist in Vn, there are like kids selling bunches of "skull" or "bro" everyday (well, a bit of exaggerate lol), it is funny if we put in the context of knowing how hard and rare to find the similar but authentic cap. I saw those post and I just feel lucky for the fact that I am not into the collect game. Otherwise I would pissed.
So there are street vendor kids out peddling artisan caps? "You want scull? You want bro?"
Do some googling and read the previous threads about this before making a new one.
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//the funny things is, I wish you guy could see the market of keyboard hobbyist in Vn, there are like kids selling bunches of "skull" or "bro" everyday (well, a bit of exaggerate lol), it is funny if we put in the context of knowing how hard and rare to find the similar but authentic cap. I saw those post and I just feel lucky for the fact that I am not into the collect game. Otherwise I would pissed.
So there are street vendor kids out peddling artisan caps? "You want scull? You want bro?"
That's exactly the image I got. Please let this be true.
I'd punch him in his nasty monster looking teeth. He's probably as tall as me too
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I've tried to express my view about this more than once but I don't feel that it really matters. If you take the objective view - that infringement and blatant reproduction of someone else's intellectual property (and unless I'm mistaken, legally protected design) without their permission is mostly bad; then I think it's quite clear. The Rolex and Print examples are absolute moot point because despite people's subjective desire to own them and self-rationalization of an affordable price, it is still a fake. Whether you want to play the high demand/inflated market game or however you seek to justify it, that is an undeniable truth.
It is such a damn shame too, because that guy looks like he has some ridiculous talent, but by doing this demonstrates no creativity. I don't understand. He could be producing original designs and people would buy them, myself included.
And come the **** on people, Clacks and Bros are nice but are we SERIOUSLY comparing them to original Picassos?
I've tried to express my view about this more than once but I don't feel that it really matters. If you take the objective view - that infringement and blatant reproduction of someone else's intellectual property (and unless I'm mistaken, legally protected design) without their permission is mostly bad; then I think it's quite clear. The Rolex and Print examples are absolute moot point because despite people's subjective desire to own them and self-rationalization of an affordable price, it is still a fake. Whether you want to play the high demand/inflated market game or however you seek to justify it, that is an undeniable truth.
It is such a damn shame too, because that guy looks like he has some ridiculous talent, but by doing this demonstrates no creativity. I don't understand. He could be producing original designs and people would buy them, myself included.
And come the **** on people, Clacks and Bros are nice but are we SERIOUSLY comparing them to original Picassos?
I don't think we were comparing them; just using them as an example of artistic originality.
For the record, I don't think Picasso is THAT great.
I've tried to express my view about this more than once but I don't feel that it really matters. If you take the objective view - that infringement and blatant reproduction of someone else's intellectual property (and unless I'm mistaken, legally protected design) without their permission is mostly bad; then I think it's quite clear. The Rolex and Print examples are absolute moot point because despite people's subjective desire to own them and self-rationalization of an affordable price, it is still a fake. Whether you want to play the high demand/inflated market game or however you seek to justify it, that is an undeniable truth.
It is such a damn shame too, because that guy looks like he has some ridiculous talent, but by doing this demonstrates no creativity. I don't understand. He could be producing original designs and people would buy them, myself included.
And come the **** on people, Clacks and Bros are nice but are we SERIOUSLY comparing them to original Picassos?
I don't think we were comparing them; just using them as an example of artistic originality.
For the record, I don't think Picasso is THAT great.
I've tried to express my view about this more than once but I don't feel that it really matters. If you take the objective view - that infringement and blatant reproduction of someone else's intellectual property (and unless I'm mistaken, legally protected design) without their permission is mostly bad; then I think it's quite clear. The Rolex and Print examples are absolute moot point because despite people's subjective desire to own them and self-rationalization of an affordable price, it is still a fake. Whether you want to play the high demand/inflated market game or however you seek to justify it, that is an undeniable truth.
It is such a damn shame too, because that guy looks like he has some ridiculous talent, but by doing this demonstrates no creativity. I don't understand. He could be producing original designs and people would buy them, myself included.
And come the **** on people, Clacks and Bros are nice but are we SERIOUSLY comparing them to original Picassos?
I don't think we were comparing them; just using them as an example of artistic originality.
For the record, I don't think Picasso is THAT great.
I am not comparing the content, simply the availability and to some extent the price. It's an analogy, that's all.
I've tried to express my view about this more than once but I don't feel that it really matters. If you take the objective view - that infringement and blatant reproduction of someone else's intellectual property (and unless I'm mistaken, legally protected design) without their permission is mostly bad; then I think it's quite clear. The Rolex and Print examples are absolute moot point because despite people's subjective desire to own them and self-rationalization of an affordable price, it is still a fake. Whether you want to play the high demand/inflated market game or however you seek to justify it, that is an undeniable truth.
It is such a damn shame too, because that guy looks like he has some ridiculous talent, but by doing this demonstrates no creativity. I don't understand. He could be producing original designs and people would buy them, myself included.
And come the **** on people, Clacks and Bros are nice but are we SERIOUSLY comparing them to original Picassos?
I don't think we were comparing them; just using them as an example of artistic originality.
For the record, I don't think Picasso is THAT great.
I am not comparing the content, simply the availability and to some extent the price. It's an analogy, that's all.
Was just joking but that's hard to convey in text :p
Here's my $0.02.
Get over yourselves.
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And come the **** on people, Clacks and Bros are nice but are we SERIOUSLY comparing them to original Picassos?
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Why do you know which way my reddit tab is?!?!
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Why do you know which way my reddit tab is?!?!
Because geekhack is always the first tab you open :thumb:
Oh come on guys, look at this innocent face.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uB3m1EF.jpg)
There's no need to get all salty over it, really... while there's some great looking artisans made by some talented guys over here, and there are... at the end of the day they're still little pieces of plastic that decorate your keyboards and nothing more than that. Get over yourselves.
With the inability to easily find an affordable option for Clacks, is <redacted> an alternative to you?
Oh come on guys, look at this innocent face.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uB3m1EF.jpg)
Wait wait wait, I get that hes copying Bro's work and all but he even went to the bounds of using the same logo as him?!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AOXUePW.gif)
He even puts "Bro" on the back of his knockoff V2 caps.
Fake Brocaps discussion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64061.0) and Fake Clack discussion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51797.0)
Here's my $0.02.
$0.02, eh? I feel cheated.Get over yourselves.
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Why do you know which way my reddit tab is?!?!
Because geekhack is always the first tab you open :thumb:
There's no need to get all salty over it, really... while there's some great looking artisans made by some talented guys over here, and there are... at the end of the day they're still little pieces of plastic that decorate your keyboards and nothing more than that. Get over yourselves.
There is more to it.. Bro is a friend of many on this site. Do you think it means nothing to him? He spends hours making new designs, only some of which get released, and then someone across the world copies his own creations. It is about more than "little pieces of plastic". If it was only about the plastic, bro/clack would mass-produce caps, but instead they individually produce all of their caps themselves.
Fake Brocaps discussion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64061.0) and Fake Clack discussion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51797.0)
Seriously just read those two threads and lock this one.
While I don't think that copying other artists designs and selling them as your own is a nice sales practise (because it's shady way of getting into the artisan business, to say the least) I also don't condemn the ones who look out for them. Original/legit Clacks sell for ridiculous prices in the second-hand market and from what I know ClackFactory haven't done a sale in a long time so I can totally understand that some people like the design and colorways of these caps but don't wanna pay so much just to get their hands on one.
I would say the best thing to do if you like a design, like a Clack, that are hard to acquire, would be to find a currently active artisan with a design you like and support them with your money instead.
I would say the best thing to do if you like a design, like a Clack, that are hard to acquire, would be to find a currently active artisan with a design you like and support them with your money instead.
To add to this discussion, why does it have to be "instead" (emphasis mine)? Most enthusiasts buy multiple keycaps from various artisans. Yes, this particular one is steeped in controversy, but that doesn't mean that by buying something from him they are necessarily ceasing their support for other artisans.
I would say the best thing to do if you like a design, like a Clack, that are hard to acquire, would be to find a currently active artisan with a design you like and support them with your money instead.
To add to this discussion, why does it have to be "instead" (emphasis mine)? Most enthusiasts buy multiple keycaps from various artisans. Yes, this particular one is steeped in controversy, but that doesn't mean that by buying something from him they are necessarily ceasing their support for other artisans.
But you're telling the other artisans that you support people that rip off their work, which is basically a slap in their face. Sure, you're "supporting" them (the "other artisans") with your money, but...you're not supporting them as artists.
I would say the best thing to do if you like a design, like a Clack, that are hard to acquire, would be to find a currently active artisan with a design you like and support them with your money instead.
To add to this discussion, why does it have to be "instead" (emphasis mine)? Most enthusiasts buy multiple keycaps from various artisans. Yes, this particular one is steeped in controversy, but that doesn't mean that by buying something from him they are necessarily ceasing their support for other artisans.
My point was that instead of supporting someone that is stealing, support a real artisan with that money. If you have $100 to spend on artisans, sure you could buy a Nubbs, Booper, Binge, and K3 (say you wanted a clack, but couldnt afford one) OR you could buy a Nubbs, Booper, Binge, and katzenkinder and put all of the money you were going to spend anyways back into the community and legitimate makers.
I would say the best thing to do if you like a design, like a Clack, that are hard to acquire, would be to find a currently active artisan with a design you like and support them with your money instead.
To add to this discussion, why does it have to be "instead" (emphasis mine)? Most enthusiasts buy multiple keycaps from various artisans. Yes, this particular one is steeped in controversy, but that doesn't mean that by buying something from him they are necessarily ceasing their support for other artisans.
My point was that instead of supporting someone that is stealing, support a real artisan with that money. If you have $100 to spend on artisans, sure you could buy a Nubbs, Booper, Binge, and K3 (say you wanted a clack, but couldnt afford one) OR you could buy a Nubbs, Booper, Binge, and katzenkinder and put all of the money you were going to spend anyways back into the community and legitimate makers.
My point was that instead of supporting someone that is stealing, support a real artisan with that money. If you have $100 to spend on artisans, sure you could buy a Nubbs, Booper, Binge, and K3 (say you wanted a clack, but couldnt afford one) OR you could buy a Nubbs, Booper, Binge, and katzenkinder and put all of the money you were going to spend anyways back into the community and legitimate makers.
I understand your point, but what if you don't like the design(s)? Lets face it, no one is going to buy a K3 just to support K3. They just like the way the keycap looks. On his store he doesn't appear to be trying to pass them off as originals (although I know he does so with Bros, which is scummy as hell), so hopefully anyone who does buy it doesn't think they're getting an original Clack.
Welcome to the "instant gratification" generation. Newcomers to the hobby likely have no idea that K3 caps arent the originals when buying them.It's mostly the combination of these two things. Ignorant people mostly feel entitled up until the point where they realize whatever they're doing has a victim, at which point they can relate more to the feeling and are more likely refrain from doing so. Since they normally think "me me me, all I care about is me", they need something to evoke the feeling that there's more to it than just them.
My point was that instead of supporting someone that is stealing, support a real artisan with that money. If you have $100 to spend on artisans, sure you could buy a Nubbs, Booper, Binge, and K3 (say you wanted a clack, but couldnt afford one) OR you could buy a Nubbs, Booper, Binge, and katzenkinder and put all of the money you were going to spend anyways back into the community and legitimate makers.
I understand your point, but what if you don't like the design(s)? Lets face it, no one is going to buy a K3 just to support K3. They just like the way the keycap looks. On his store he doesn't appear to be trying to pass them off as originals (although I know he does so with Bros, which is scummy as hell), so hopefully anyone who does buy it doesn't think they're getting an original Clack.
In the end I think most people will find a balance between their consumer wants and their desire to support a community.
don't think Rolex is worried about fakes so much, since they're already making a ton of money.
I'm not really interested in watches, but that's pretty interesting. I guess I should have used a different metaphor, but I think it still gets my point across. The reason why companies that make expensive purses and jewelry aren't up in arms about counterfeits is because they're already making a ton of money.don't think Rolex is worried about fakes so much, since they're already making a ton of money.
Rolex is actually very worried about fakes, so much so that Rolex declares a non genuine part in a Rolex to render said watch a counterfeit. Their service centre will refuse to work on a watch that has any form of after market part. For example you can get custom watch faces, they will insist on replacing the face with a standard face at your cost of course and confiscate the non-authorised part. This is even if it is not under warranty and you are paying for the whole process. I believe that the US had until recently restrictions on the import and export of Rolex watches where you simply cannot do it. This is to help control every aspect of the sale of their product and ensure that people use authorised dealers in their own countries. Some serious brand protection that is for sure.
In short the export thing was probably based on keeping their reputation to a standard/squeezing as much money as possible out of people but they are probably one of the more active companies when it comes counterfeit protections (for obvious reasons of course)
I'm not really interested in watches, but that's pretty interesting. I guess I should have used a different metaphor, but I think it still gets my point across. The reason why companies that make expensive purses and jewelry aren't up in arms about counterfeits is because they're already making a ton of money.
Another point I forgot to make was with something like a Rolex vs. a counterfeit. you get the extra quality from the Rolex that made them gain their reputation, and I think the same applies with keycaps
Yeah, that was actually really interesting. I didn't know they took such extreme measures to make sure people buy only genuine products. The more you know :pI'm not really interested in watches, but that's pretty interesting. I guess I should have used a different metaphor, but I think it still gets my point across. The reason why companies that make expensive purses and jewelry aren't up in arms about counterfeits is because they're already making a ton of money.
Another point I forgot to make was with something like a Rolex vs. a counterfeit. you get the extra quality from the Rolex that made them gain their reputation, and I think the same applies with keycaps
Don't get me wrong, it is easy to understand what you mean. Rolex is just an interesting topic and I think in general companies will do what they can to protect their brand, but only to the point that it economically effective. Which is what you are saying.
Then people over there ----> want their skull caps/GBs/whatever now Now NOW so they support K3.
Then people over there ----> want their skull caps/GBs/whatever now Now NOW so they support K3.
I know it's fashionable to hate on /r/mk on GH just like it's fashionable to hate on GH on /r/mk. But sadly, if you look at the poll you'll see that here are people too who are willing to buy K3's crappy copy-caps.
Then people over there ----> want their skull caps/GBs/whatever now Now NOW so they support K3.
I know it's fashionable to hate on /r/mk on GH just like it's fashionable to hate on GH on /r/mk. But sadly, if you look at the poll you'll see that here are people too who are willing to buy K3's crappy copy-caps.
To be fair, it's entirely possible that non-geekhackers are responding to the poll with such responses, since there's no verification. Not saying I think that's the case, but it is possible.
Then people over there ----> want their skull caps/GBs/whatever now Now NOW so they support K3.
I know it's fashionable to hate on /r/mk on GH just like it's fashionable to hate on GH on /r/mk. But sadly, if you look at the poll you'll see that here are people too who are willing to buy K3's crappy copy-caps.
I'd say that speaking out against K3 used to be upvoted alot more. But yeah, these days not so much. Not sure why but i assume that /r/mk is just more exposed than GH and there are many new people who got into mechs and want shiny caps for their boards but don't give a **** about the community behind it and the people who make those caps.Then people over there ----> want their skull caps/GBs/whatever now Now NOW so they support K3.
I know it's fashionable to hate on /r/mk on GH just like it's fashionable to hate on GH on /r/mk. But sadly, if you look at the poll you'll see that here are people too who are willing to buy K3's crappy copy-caps.
Ok didn't realize we were making this into a r vs. GH debate. I referenced r because it was relevant to K3.
But we can talk about that if you want. What's "fashionable" has no bearing on it. It's simple fact. One of the very things that people like about Reddit (upvotes/downvotes) is also what allows anyone to see that community for its true colors. Any time someone comes out against fakes or in support of artisans (esp Bro) he is downvoted to hell. Where are the "good people of Reddit" and their upvotes when that occurs?
If you think I am wrong pls link to upvoted posts in support of real artisans and against fakes. I'm willing to change my view given proper evidence.
Well. For starters, reddit is full of new people. with 93,000+ subscribers obviously a vast majority of them have no clue about the controversy here. they probably see a cool looking cap and upvote it. And when they arent part of the community, of course they will buy the knockoffs, because that happens is alllllllllll communities these days. Secondly, many are still salty about the GH post count thing. Yeah, the intentions behind it were sound, but it wasnt really announced in a tactful way and it upset people. There are still plenty of real community folks there that don't support him though.I'd say that speaking out against K3 used to be upvoted alot more. But yeah, these days not so much. Not sure why but i assume that /r/mk is just more exposed than GH and there are many new people who got into mechs and want shiny caps for their boards but don't give a **** about the community behind it and the people who make those caps.Then people over there ----> want their skull caps/GBs/whatever now Now NOW so they support K3.
I know it's fashionable to hate on /r/mk on GH just like it's fashionable to hate on GH on /r/mk. But sadly, if you look at the poll you'll see that here are people too who are willing to buy K3's crappy copy-caps.
Ok didn't realize we were making this into a r vs. GH debate. I referenced r because it was relevant to K3.
But we can talk about that if you want. What's "fashionable" has no bearing on it. It's simple fact. One of the very things that people like about Reddit (upvotes/downvotes) is also what allows anyone to see that community for its true colors. Any time someone comes out against fakes or in support of artisans (esp Bro) he is downvoted to hell. Where are the "good people of Reddit" and their upvotes when that occurs?
If you think I am wrong pls link to upvoted posts in support of real artisans and against fakes. I'm willing to change my view given proper evidence.
But yeah, you're not wrong unfortunately.
God knows I'm just glad we dont have a voting system here. I'm very curious if demik would have the most upvotes, or the least. i tend to think the most hahaha
God knows I'm just glad we dont have a voting system here. I'm very curious if demik would have the most upvotes, or the least. i tend to think the most hahaha
The most. For sure
With the ridiculous rules around here for getting in on buys and giveaways
No offense to the people who can sit on the internet all day every day and snipe all the good deals on artisans but that doesnt leave a lot of room for people who have to work a job where they are not able to do the same.
With the ridiculous rules around here for getting in on buys and giveaways
What ridiculous rules? That you have to have an account or sign up on the site? Those sure are crazy rules.No offense to the people who can sit on the internet all day every day and snipe all the good deals on artisans but that doesnt leave a lot of room for people who have to work a job where they are not able to do the same.
I work a full time job. I still have many caps I've bought at retail. Until this last sale, I had never won a Bro sale and this sale saw me winning one.
I'm glad you won't buy from him, but it is entirely possible to get caps without paying obscene prices. Does it take longer? Yes, but K3 support in the end always comes down to people feeling entitled to something and the wanton need for immediate gratification.
With the ridiculous rules around here for getting in on buys and giveaways
What ridiculous rules? That you have to have an account or sign up on the site? Those sure are crazy rules.No offense to the people who can sit on the internet all day every day and snipe all the good deals on artisans but that doesnt leave a lot of room for people who have to work a job where they are not able to do the same.
I work a full time job. I still have many caps I've bought at retail. Until this last sale, I had never won a Bro sale and this sale saw me winning one.
I'm glad you won't buy from him, but it is entirely possible to get caps without paying obscene prices. Does it take longer? Yes, but K3 support in the end always comes down to people feeling entitled to something and the wanton need for immediate gratification.
Having any amount of post requirement is absolutely ridiculous for any buy. This pushes away the people who cant afford the time to post on sites like this. Sure not everyone does it but those that do help create sites like k3kc. Some people just dont have the time/energy on dealing with post requirements, drawings and having to spend any amount of energy on setting a reminder to submit their email for a chance to get in on a cap sale as ridiculous as that may be. I still wont support it but clearly tons of people do.
With the ridiculous rules around here for getting in on buys and giveaways
What ridiculous rules? That you have to have an account or sign up on the site? Those sure are crazy rules.No offense to the people who can sit on the internet all day every day and snipe all the good deals on artisans but that doesnt leave a lot of room for people who have to work a job where they are not able to do the same.
I work a full time job. I still have many caps I've bought at retail. Until this last sale, I had never won a Bro sale and this sale saw me winning one.
I'm glad you won't buy from him, but it is entirely possible to get caps without paying obscene prices. Does it take longer? Yes, but K3 support in the end always comes down to people feeling entitled to something and the wanton need for immediate gratification.
Having any amount of post requirement is absolutely ridiculous for any buy. This pushes away the people who cant afford the time to post on sites like this. Sure not everyone does it but those that do help create sites like k3kc. Some people just dont have the time/energy on dealing with post requirements, drawings and having to spend any amount of energy on setting a reminder to submit their email for a chance to get in on a cap sale as ridiculous as that may be. I still wont support it but clearly tons of people do.
1. he no longer has a post requirement i dont think? he made one. lowed it. lowed it again, deleted it? I quit keeping up with it, but am fairly sure there isnt a requirement anymore.
2. Despite thinking that going about implementing the post rule wasn't done very professionally/tactfully, I totally understand the philosophy behind it. The idea was that these items were specifically FOR members that wanted to contribute to the community. Wanting to make sure items went to contributing community members was a very understandable motive, as well as his right to sell his caps how he wanted.
3. This is where the morals come into play. You speak is if you are entitled to one of the caps, which just isnt the case. You can either A) understand that you dont deserve a cap, just because you want the cap, and keep trying in future sales/to meet any rules or B) simply want what you want without regard to the community and support people like K3. I mean, there are people that won't buy K3's caps or Bros caps after the drama with the rule changes started. Thats another possibility.
Excuse me but where did I speak about being entitled to one of the caps? I am simply stating why a site like k3kc exists. Not enough supply, silly requirements (active or not), and people just not having enough time. I am totally fine with having to jump through whatever hoops to get these awesome caps. If I get into a buy and its for a cap I dont really want I just give it away. I am one of the people who get to sit on the internet all day and browse the forums/sales so its a non issue for me. Again, I was just stating my opinion on why sites like that exist. Take it how you want
Excuse me but where did I speak about being entitled to one of the caps? I am simply stating why a site like k3kc exists. Not enough supply, silly requirements (active or not), and people just not having enough time. I am totally fine with having to jump through whatever hoops to get these awesome caps. If I get into a buy and its for a cap I dont really want I just give it away. I am one of the people who get to sit on the internet all day and browse the forums/sales so its a non issue for me. Again, I was just stating my opinion on why sites like that exist. Take it how you want
Was on mobile and skimmed too fast. My apologies!
Yes, I would completely agree though, probably a huge factor into why sites like his do exist.
Excuse me but where did I speak about being entitled to one of the caps? I am simply stating why a site like k3kc exists. Not enough supply, silly requirements (active or not), and people just not having enough time. I am totally fine with having to jump through whatever hoops to get these awesome caps. If I get into a buy and its for a cap I dont really want I just give it away. I am one of the people who get to sit on the internet all day and browse the forums/sales so its a non issue for me. Again, I was just stating my opinion on why sites like that exist. Take it how you want
Was on mobile and skimmed too fast. My apologies!
Yes, I would completely agree though, probably a huge factor into why sites like his do exist.
Its all good man
LOL, here we go with the "woe is me, 50 posts is soooooo hard" bit...
LOL, here we go with the "woe is me, 50 posts is soooooo hard" bit...
LOL here we go again with the rampant disrespect on this forum... Did you even read my posts?
LOL, here we go with the "woe is me, 50 posts is soooooo hard" bit...
LOL here we go again with the rampant disrespect on this forum... Did you even read my posts?
for whatever reason, it would seem people are prone to skimming and not reading your posts :-X
LOL, here we go with the "woe is me, 50 posts is soooooo hard" bit...
LOL here we go again with the rampant disrespect on this forum... Did you even read my posts?
for whatever reason, it would seem people are prone to skimming and not reading your posts :-X
Must be my low post count :-X
LOL, here we go with the "woe is me, 50 posts is soooooo hard" bit...
LOL here we go again with the rampant disrespect on this forum... Did you even read my posts?
for whatever reason, it would seem people are prone to skimming and not reading your posts :-X
LOL, here we go with the "woe is me, 50 posts is soooooo hard" bit...
LOL here we go again with the rampant disrespect on this forum... Did you even read my posts?
for whatever reason, it would seem people are prone to skimming and not reading your posts :-X
You can reread my post (maybe try not skimming?), which doesn't contain either of your names. Take your tender egos and cry "disrespect" elsewhere.
Joking mentioned that "some people don't have the time, etc." even though he apparently does. So why would I be talking about him? I'm talking about the impending posts coming from the mention of the "silly requirements".
LOL, here we go with the "woe is me, 50 posts is soooooo hard" bit...
LOL here we go again with the rampant disrespect on this forum... Did you even read my posts?
for whatever reason, it would seem people are prone to skimming and not reading your posts :-X
You can reread my post (maybe try not skimming?), which doesn't contain either of your names. Take your tender egos and cry "disrespect" elsewhere.
Joking mentioned that "some people don't have the time, etc." even though he apparently does. So why would I be talking about him? I'm talking about the impending posts coming from the mention of the "silly requirements".
LOL, here we go with the "woe is me, 50 posts is soooooo hard" bit...
LOL here we go again with the rampant disrespect on this forum... Did you even read my posts?
for whatever reason, it would seem people are prone to skimming and not reading your posts :-X
You can reread my post (maybe try not skimming?), which doesn't contain either of your names. Take your tender egos and cry "disrespect" elsewhere.
Joking mentioned that "some people don't have the time, etc." even though he apparently does. So why would I be talking about him? I'm talking about the impending posts coming from the mention of the "silly requirements".
If I dont skim I wont fit in :p
Y'all are too eager to TYPE, you're not reading enough! :))
Y'all are too eager to TYPE, you're not reading enough! :))
I would if i knew how :'(
If you value authenticity, don't do business with K3.^ this.
If you value authenticity, don't do business with K3.^ this.
From the stem subject of authenticity the reasons not to do business with him balloon out further.
If you value authenticity, don't do business with K3.true i totally agree. But then again if you're like me, cant imagine self buying $$$ real original clacks, i might as well get the next thing since its i will never own a very expensive one. And besides, i simply like caps :D
If you value authenticity, don't do business with K3.true i totally agree. But then again if you're like me, cant imagine self buying $$$ real original clacks, i might as well get the next thing since its i will never own a very expensive one. And besides, i simply like caps :D
If you value authenticity, don't do business with K3.true i totally agree. But then again if you're like me, cant imagine self buying $$$ real original clacks, i might as well get the next thing since its i will never own a very expensive one. And besides, i simply like caps :D
Both sides of viewing it pretty much summed up; those who value the original art, those that want to enjoy the design/cap on their board.
With the ridiculous rules around here for getting in on buys and giveaways
What ridiculous rules? That you have to have an account or sign up on the site? Those sure are crazy rules.No offense to the people who can sit on the internet all day every day and snipe all the good deals on artisans but that doesnt leave a lot of room for people who have to work a job where they are not able to do the same.
I work a full time job. I still have many caps I've bought at retail. Until this last sale, I had never won a Bro sale and this sale saw me winning one.
I'm glad you won't buy from him, but it is entirely possible to get caps without paying obscene prices. Does it take longer? Yes, but K3 support in the end always comes down to people feeling entitled to something and the wanton need for immediate gratification.
Having any amount of post requirement is absolutely ridiculous for any buy. This pushes away the people who cant afford the time to post on sites like this. Sure not everyone does it but those that do help create sites like k3kc. Some people just dont have the time/energy on dealing with post requirements, drawings and having to spend any amount of energy on setting a reminder to submit their email for a chance to get in on a cap sale as ridiculous as that may be. I still wont support it but clearly tons of people do.
Both sides of viewing it pretty much summed up; those who value the original art, those that want to enjoy the design/cap on their board.
And lets face it, I doubt there is anyone here who lives an absolutely pure, moral life. Who are we to judge?
QuoteAnd lets face it, I doubt there is anyone here who lives an absolutely pure, moral life. Who are we to judge?
Speak for yourself.
Yeah, thats the thought process of people who buy K3KC caps because they like the cap. Except they don't think/know about the authenticity or history behind the cap. BECAUSE ITS JUST A KEYCAP.If you value authenticity, don't do business with K3.true i totally agree. But then again if you're like me, cant imagine self buying $$$ real original clacks, i might as well get the next thing since its i will never own a very expensive one. And besides, i simply like caps :D
Both sides of viewing it pretty much summed up; those who value the original art, those that want to enjoy the design/cap on their board.
>I really like the design of Clacks
>I know, I'll buy a ****ty knock-off at the same price as an original
Yeah, thats the thought process of people who buy K3KC caps because they like the cap. Except they don't think/know about the authenticity or history behind the cap. BECAUSE ITS JUST A KEYCAP.If you value authenticity, don't do business with K3.true i totally agree. But then again if you're like me, cant imagine self buying $$$ real original clacks, i might as well get the next thing since its i will never own a very expensive one. And besides, i simply like caps :D
Both sides of viewing it pretty much summed up; those who value the original art, those that want to enjoy the design/cap on their board.
>I really like the design of Clacks
>I know, I'll buy a ****ty knock-off at the same price as an original
Try to look at this from some other point-of-views, yeah?
This is just in defense of those new people who are unaware of CLacks, but have seen the skull cap. "****ty knock off" applys to those wolves and cherokeys wannabes
I just don't see how someone already invested in the hobby could be totally oblivious to CC's existence, and only see his (replicated) designs as cool little things to spice up their keyboard.
I just don't see how someone already invested in the hobby could be totally oblivious to CC's existence, and only see his (replicated) designs as cool little things to spice up their keyboard.
only a small fraction of mechanical keyboard users are actually active on the forums, and without decisive research they would never know the story behind any of these caps.
It's just that, one would think that the general population would have more curiosity.
I guess not lol.
It's just that, one would think that the general population would have more curiosity.
I guess not lol.
People do have curiosity, but they cannot direct that curiosity to every single hobby they partake in to such an extreme degree that many of us do.
I enjoy vintage video games, but am only registered on one forum and rarely log in. I enjoy photography, but am not terribly active in many online communities. Perhaps the best example in my personal life is the vaping community; I tried it out, skimmed the surface, and never dug anywhere near as deep as I have into keyboards. It was a very casual, passing hobby for me. It is not at all unreasonable to imagine someone with a similar attitude toward keyboards.
What I'm getting at is that I do have a huge passion for "my hobbies", and I spend loads of time on "the hobbies" I partake in - but it's weighted incredibly heavily toward keyboards. :)
Merry Christmas everyone! Hope ya'll are having a great holiday season ~
Here's to hoping Santa brings authentic keycaps to more good children, and less crappy knock offs in 2016!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P0CpKhr.jpg)
Strawpoll Here: http://strawpoll.me/6177618
With the inability to easily find an affordable option for Clacks, is K3KC an alternative to you?
With the sale coming up in a few hours, I wanted to see what the community thinks of these caps nowadays since more and more time has elapsed since Clacks' last sale.
I'm sure a lot of newcomers in the hobby don't even remember the last time CF had a sale, so the majority of their information seeing ebay listings for the keycaps that go for $150+ quite easily.
On the other hand, K3KC has been consistent on seasonal sales as well as having a store with consistent stock.
I personally don't like the idea of someone copying another person's idea when it comes to something like artisan caps, but different things matter to different people.
What do you guys think?
Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps. Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.
Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps. Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.
Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". :thumb:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States)
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html (http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html)
Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps. Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.
Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". :thumb:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States)
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html (http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html)
It's not quite that easy. Leave it to lawyers to ensure it's more complicated than that.
Copyright is only granted to those things that are copyrightable. US copyright law explicitly spells out things that are not copyrightable. Please see section 906 - uncopyrightable material. Here, let me link straight to the US copyright site itself.
http://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf
Items includeSo, again, if there's copyright infringement going on, I'll avoid those. If there is sufficient differentiation in product that a legal claim fails or would fail, I've no problem. If the original item receives no copyright, I've also got no problem with it being copied.
- 906.1 - Common geometric shapes
- 906.2 - Familiar symbols and designs
- 906.3 - Colors, coloring, and coloration
- 906.4 - Typeface, lettering, etc.
- 906.5 - Spatial format and layout
- 906.8 - Functional and Useful elements
and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.
and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.
That's a little silly.
and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.That's a little silly.
and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.
That's a little silly. We all purchase things in some form or another that we are ill informed on, or do things that we don't fully think through. I'm sure half the people here complaining about him have illegally downloaded music or movies, or bought knockoffs of some product knowing it was a knockoff, etc.
and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.
That's a little silly. We all purchase things in some form or another that we are ill informed on, or do things that we don't fully think through. I'm sure half the people here complaining about him have illegally downloaded music or movies, or bought knockoffs of some product knowing it was a knockoff, etc.
You're right, of course we all partake in a bit of hypocrisy, knowingly and unknowingly, and I have no issues with the folks that are ill-informed. But we're not operating in the highly saturated market of handbags, as evidenced by the success of numerous other artisans. We're speaking of someone who has the capacity to create and market novel products and instead chooses not to. I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek when I call everyone who supports him a ****wad, but let's not pretend he's the Little Guy sticking it to the Big Corporation.
and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.
That's a little silly. We all purchase things in some form or another that we are ill informed on, or do things that we don't fully think through. I'm sure half the people here complaining about him have illegally downloaded music or movies, or bought knockoffs of some product knowing it was a knockoff, etc.
You're right, of course we all partake in a bit of hypocrisy, knowingly and unknowingly, and I have no issues with the folks that are ill-informed. But we're not operating in the highly saturated market of handbags, as evidenced by the success of numerous other artisans. We're speaking of someone who has the capacity to create and market novel products and instead chooses not to. I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek when I call everyone who supports him a ****wad, but let's not pretend he's the Little Guy sticking it to the Big Corporation.
tbh comparing music piracy to kck3 is like comparing me and my brother fighting to the war in Iraq...
I'm sort of confused why anyone debates this stuff. K3KC's intent is to profit off of the work of members of our community, and while he has the means to make original designs, he chooses to make copies or obvious derivatives in order to maximize his own profit and as a personal insult to other artisans (see: his interactions with Bro Caps). This makes him a ****wad and a bad person, and objectively so.
I'm not in the habit of supporting ****wads and bad people, and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.
Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps. Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.
Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". :thumb:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States)
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html (http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html)
It's not quite that easy. Leave it to lawyers to ensure it's more complicated than that.
Copyright is only granted to those things that are copyrightable. US copyright law explicitly spells out things that are not copyrightable. Please see section 906 - uncopyrightable material. Here, let me link straight to the US copyright site itself.
http://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf
Items includeSo, again, if there's copyright infringement going on, I'll avoid those. If there is sufficient differentiation in product that a legal claim fails or would fail, I've no problem. If the original item receives no copyright, I've also got no problem with it being copied.
- 906.1 - Common geometric shapes
- 906.2 - Familiar symbols and designs
- 906.3 - Colors, coloring, and coloration
- 906.4 - Typeface, lettering, etc.
- 906.5 - Spatial format and layout
- 906.8 - Functional and Useful elements
And then there is Trademark...
Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps. Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.
Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". :thumb:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States)
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html (http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html)
It's not quite that easy. Leave it to lawyers to ensure it's more complicated than that.
Copyright is only granted to those things that are copyrightable. US copyright law explicitly spells out things that are not copyrightable. Please see section 906 - uncopyrightable material. Here, let me link straight to the US copyright site itself.
http://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf
Items includeSo, again, if there's copyright infringement going on, I'll avoid those. If there is sufficient differentiation in product that a legal claim fails or would fail, I've no problem. If the original item receives no copyright, I've also got no problem with it being copied.
- 906.1 - Common geometric shapes
- 906.2 - Familiar symbols and designs
- 906.3 - Colors, coloring, and coloration
- 906.4 - Typeface, lettering, etc.
- 906.5 - Spatial format and layout
- 906.8 - Functional and Useful elements
And then there is Trademark...
Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps. Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.
Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". :thumb:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States)
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html (http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html)
It's not quite that easy. Leave it to lawyers to ensure it's more complicated than that.
Copyright is only granted to those things that are copyrightable. US copyright law explicitly spells out things that are not copyrightable. Please see section 906 - uncopyrightable material. Here, let me link straight to the US copyright site itself.
http://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf
Items includeSo, again, if there's copyright infringement going on, I'll avoid those. If there is sufficient differentiation in product that a legal claim fails or would fail, I've no problem. If the original item receives no copyright, I've also got no problem with it being copied.
- 906.1 - Common geometric shapes
- 906.2 - Familiar symbols and designs
- 906.3 - Colors, coloring, and coloration
- 906.4 - Typeface, lettering, etc.
- 906.5 - Spatial format and layout
- 906.8 - Functional and Useful elements
Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps. Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.
Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". :thumb:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States)
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html (http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html)
It's not quite that easy. Leave it to lawyers to ensure it's more complicated than that.
Copyright is only granted to those things that are copyrightable. US copyright law explicitly spells out things that are not copyrightable. Please see section 906 - uncopyrightable material. Here, let me link straight to the US copyright site itself.
http://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf
Items includeSo, again, if there's copyright infringement going on, I'll avoid those. If there is sufficient differentiation in product that a legal claim fails or would fail, I've no problem. If the original item receives no copyright, I've also got no problem with it being copied.
- 906.1 - Common geometric shapes
- 906.2 - Familiar symbols and designs
- 906.3 - Colors, coloring, and coloration
- 906.4 - Typeface, lettering, etc.
- 906.5 - Spatial format and layout
- 906.8 - Functional and Useful elements
Right. And since artisan caps are none, of those... ;)
We're talking about a guy taking a sculpted cap and making a 1 for 1 exact copy. I'm not sure why you keeping speaking in terms of "if". He is.
"beat Bro the the market"
Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps. Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.
Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". :thumb:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States)
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html (http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html)
It's not quite that easy. Leave it to lawyers to ensure it's more complicated than that.
Copyright is only granted to those things that are copyrightable. US copyright law explicitly spells out things that are not copyrightable. Please see section 906 - uncopyrightable material. Here, let me link straight to the US copyright site itself.
http://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf
Items includeSo, again, if there's copyright infringement going on, I'll avoid those. If there is sufficient differentiation in product that a legal claim fails or would fail, I've no problem. If the original item receives no copyright, I've also got no problem with it being copied.
- 906.1 - Common geometric shapes
- 906.2 - Familiar symbols and designs
- 906.3 - Colors, coloring, and coloration
- 906.4 - Typeface, lettering, etc.
- 906.5 - Spatial format and layout
- 906.8 - Functional and Useful elements
Right. And since artisan caps are none, of those... ;)
We're talking about a guy taking a sculpted cap and making a 1 for 1 exact copy. I'm not sure why you keeping speaking in terms of "if". He is.
"beat Bro the the market"Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Jm0gAiF.gif)
Right. And since artisan caps are none, of those... ;)
We're talking about a guy taking a sculpted cap and making a 1 for 1 exact copy. I'm not sure why you keeping speaking in terms of "if". He is.
Apologies, Hoff, I've been delved into researching copyright a bit lately and the, "automatic copyright" statement from you threw me off on that tangent.
That said, so we're clear, I'm of the opinion that he's violating on a number of caps that I've seen from him but I didn't get to heavily browse and compare last night and can't seem to get to his site at work. However, I did notice some caps that, even if they aren't his, would not be protected because of the noted restrictions. It's only a few but I did catch notice of them.
For the clacks clones? I believe you are correct in that they're in violation of copyright. They appear to be exact replicas and K3 even admits to such in the interview done with him a while back.
has original sculpts of the wolf
has original sculpts of the wolf
Are you talking about the squirrel from Ice Age looking thing?Show Image(http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/22315/ice_age_22315.jpg)MorevsShow Image(http://www.k3kc.com/file/lobo-topre-keycap-4-600x600.jpg)
Right. And since artisan caps are none, of those... ;)
We're talking about a guy taking a sculpted cap and making a 1 for 1 exact copy. I'm not sure why you keeping speaking in terms of "if". He is.
Apologies, Hoff, I've been delved into researching copyright a bit lately and the, "automatic copyright" statement from you threw me off on that tangent.
That said, so we're clear, I'm of the opinion that he's violating on a number of caps that I've seen from him but I didn't get to heavily browse and compare last night and can't seem to get to his site at work. However, I did notice some caps that, even if they aren't his, would not be protected because of the noted restrictions. It's only a few but I did catch notice of them.
For the clacks clones? I believe you are correct in that they're in violation of copyright. They appear to be exact replicas and K3 even admits to such in the interview done with him a while back.
He's copied Clacks and BroBots, and has original sculpts of the wolf and monster vag (Dota cap). Then he copied Bro's Cherokey and perhaps a couple others I've missed, but AFAIK those were copied based on photos and not 1 for 1 sculpts.
Far and away, the most commonly sold K3 caps are counterfeits. And he did it with the intention of pissing people off and making money.
As long as people are aware of that, they are free to make their own moral choices, I just want it to be clear who they're dealing with. ;)
Hmm. this thread is still active...
The copyright argument is a strawman argument: not all countries have the same copyright laws found in North America, or the UK, etc.
Hmm. this thread is still active...
The copyright argument is a strawman argument: not all countries have the same copyright laws found in North America, or the UK, etc.
Hmm. this thread is still active...
The copyright argument is a strawman argument: not all countries have the same copyright laws found in North America, or the UK, etc.
Well it's active now because you posted in it. -_-
Hmm. this thread is still active...
The copyright argument is a strawman argument: not all countries have the same copyright laws found in North America, or the UK, etc.
Oh cool it's Wikipedia lawyer time! :D
Oh cool it's Wikipedia lawyer time! :D
Today I learned that I made hellboy keycaps........Nah I think you made the fake ones, hence the name, this guys fighting justice
http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg
Today I learned that I made hellboy keycaps........
http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg
Today I learned that I made hellboy keycaps........
http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg
And now he's stealing from Hammer. Glad to see such a classy dude. Wonder how his fans on Reddit will defend this one, especially since the Hammer cap GBs have been held the same way as HKP that they also love to circlejerk around and hold as the one true way to hold a cap buy.
Today I learned that I made hellboy keycaps........
http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg)
And now he's stealing from Hammer. Glad to see such a classy dude. Wonder how his fans on Reddit will defend this one, especially since the Hammer cap GBs have been held the same way as HKP that they also love to circlejerk around and hold as the one true way to hold a cap buy.
No idea, but I'm sure they will find a way. They praise him...
Maybe they'll say some BS like I want one and I want one now :'(Show Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/vO8F4fYQd39h6/giphy.gif)
Today I learned that I made hellboy keycaps........
http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg)
And now he's stealing from Hammer. Glad to see such a classy dude. Wonder how his fans on Reddit will defend this one, especially since the Hammer cap GBs have been held the same way as HKP that they also love to circlejerk around and hold as the one true way to hold a cap buy.
No idea, but I'm sure they will find a way. They praise him...
Maybe they'll say some BS like I want one and I want one now :'(Show Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/vO8F4fYQd39h6/giphy.gif)
Yeah, when k3 and the admin of vnmk (pictured in the green shirt) and vnmkfb are best friends IRL (http://i.imgur.com/z6AJKik.jpg), you can rest easy knowing there are no
people with ethics involved there.
On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/
On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/
ripster seems to have really pissed someone off
On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/
On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/
Wow, I do not envy the r/mk moderators. -_-
On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/
Wow, I do not envy the r/mk moderators. -_-
Really? Wouldn't you much rather be a moderator on the largest mechanical keyboard community on the planet than here at geekwhack?
/s :p
On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/
Wow, I do not envy the r/mk moderators. -_-
Really? Wouldn't you much rather be a moderator on the largest mechanical keyboard community on the planet than here at geekwhack?
/s :p
On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/
Wow, I do not envy the r/mk moderators. -_-
Really? Wouldn't you much rather be a moderator on the largest mechanical keyboard community on the planet than here at geekwhack?
/s :p
We actually have very comparable numbers of active/regular users. ;)
We actually have very comparable numbers of active/regular users. ;)
On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/
But I thought spam was ok on r/mk.
On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/
But I thought spam was ok on r/mk.
It is! I could barely see the "Which is the best mechanical for gaming but also for typing" posts
Deskthority is the one I couldn't get into. The layout seems too 90s forum.That is camo :p We're a select club with hidden treasures ;)
Deskthority is the one I couldn't get into. The layout seems too 90s forum.That is camo :p We're a select club with hidden treasures ;)
I didn't think you where from Yorkshire baldgye or Scotland :))Deskthority is the one I couldn't get into. The layout seems too 90s forum.That is camo :p We're a select club with hidden treasures ;)
Like xenophobia
I didn't think you where from Yorkshire baldgye or Scotland :))Deskthority is the one I couldn't get into. The layout seems too 90s forum.That is camo :p We're a select club with hidden treasures ;)
Like xenophobia