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Title: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: macguy80 on Sun, 06 December 2015, 16:39:47: Is it a brand/manufacturer, or the name of a particular style?

If the latter, do you guys have a favorite vendor? I'm looking for a good replacement set for my KUL ES-87, though I find the stock caps to be better than I expected.

Thanks!
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: romevi on Sun, 06 December 2015, 16:48:48: It's a way of life.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: scubaste on Sun, 06 December 2015, 17:01:19: The term Dolch is commonly used as a reference to the colorway on the Dolch PAC keyboard. This colorway has been reproduced a handful of times in the recent past with slight variations.

more info on the origins:
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_G80-1813
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 06 December 2015, 17:29:51: I couldn't find it but I know there was a discussion over this exact topic recently. Maybe rowdy will be along sometime with a link.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: raymogi on Sun, 06 December 2015, 17:38:02: Quote from: romevi on Sun, 06 December 2015, 16:48:48
It's a way of life.

Amen to that.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: jamster on Sun, 06 December 2015, 20:20:50: I ordered Tai Hao (manufacturer) Dolch (colourway) keys about six months ago from Hendy. He's got a vendor subforum. I threw them onto my KUL then switched them to my Royal Kludge.

The top of the line option for the colourway seems to be GMK, which should still be available from Zeal. Massdrop also reruns GMK Dolch from Originative, but that seller seems have a bad history with GH (I'm too new to have been around back then) so I've never been tempted to try that route.

Dolch also seems to be the regular whipping boy for all the too-cool Geekhackers who cry "why do all the noobs like Dolch! Can they not see that <insert name of unicorn vomit colourway> is so much better?!?" :)
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sun, 06 December 2015, 21:39:46: Quote from: SpAmRaY on Sun, 06 December 2015, 17:29:51
Maybe rowdy will be along sometime with a link.

Lol because rowdy reads every thread on this forum. Pretty much accurate.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 07 December 2015, 03:14:33: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74010.0

You people did this to me :p
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 03:17:25: Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 07 December 2015, 03:14:33
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74010.0

You people did this to me :p

Eyyy got my 1000 today and though of you. Mostly just because you have a ton of posts...
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 07 December 2015, 03:29:34: Quote from: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 03:17:25
Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 07 December 2015, 03:14:33
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74010.0

You people did this to me :p

Eyyy got my 1000 today and though of you. Mostly just because you have a ton of posts...

I still don't know how that happened ...
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: DAVYtm on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:03:29: Quote from: macguy80 on Sun, 06 December 2015, 16:39:47
Is it a brand/manufacturer, or the name of a particular style?

If the latter, do you guys have a favorite vendor? I'm looking for a good replacement set for my KUL ES-87, though I find the stock caps to be better than I expected.

Thanks!

Depends on what profile you like. I had DSA Dolch for a while from Signature Plastics, really liked that set. GMK Dolch is around too. One of my favorite colorways for keycaps.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:07:23: Dolch is played out.

Handarbeit = progression.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:10:03: Quote from: absyrd on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:07:23
Dolch is played out.

Handarbeit = progression.

I would legitimately buy a handarbeit GMK set.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:14:35: Still looking for a vintage OG Dolch set.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:16:07: Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:14:35
Still looking for a vintage OG Dolch set.

What kind of stuff would you trade?
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:18:08: Quote from: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:16:07
Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:14:35
Still looking for a vintage OG Dolch set.

What kind of stuff would you trade?

Monies? :p
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:19:35: Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:18:08
Quote from: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:16:07
Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:14:35
Still looking for a vintage OG Dolch set.

What kind of stuff would you trade?

Monies? :p

Haha ok, I might be acquiring a set in the near future. I'll let you know if I decide to part with it.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:22:12: Quote from: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:19:35
Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:18:08
Quote from: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:16:07
Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:14:35
Still looking for a vintage OG Dolch set.

What kind of stuff would you trade?

Monies? :p

Haha ok, I might be acquiring a set in the near future. I'll let you know if I decide to part with it.

(http://i.imgur.com/khMNFAb.gif)
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:23:08: Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:22:12
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/khMNFAb.gif)

Nevermind
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:23:09: Quote from: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:19:35
Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:18:08
Quote from: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:16:07
Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:14:35
Still looking for a vintage OG Dolch set.

What kind of stuff would you trade?

Monies? :p

Haha ok, I might be acquiring a set in the near future. I'll let you know if I decide to part with it.

No star for you. Conducting biz outside classifieds. Reported.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:23:59: Quote from: absyrd on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:23:09
Quote from: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:19:35
Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:18:08
Quote from: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:16:07
Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:14:35
Still looking for a vintage OG Dolch set.

What kind of stuff would you trade?

Monies? :p

Haha ok, I might be acquiring a set in the near future. I'll let you know if I decide to part with it.

No star for you. Conducting biz outside classifieds. Reported.

Maybe your report will make the mods finally notice me :rolleyes:

also holy **** you stalker stop following me
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:25:57: Kisses for everyone, don't get mad.

:-*
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:33:06: Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:25:57
Kisses for everyone, don't get mad.

:-*

Reported to HR for sexual advance.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:33:37: Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:25:57
Kisses for everyone, don't get mad.

:-*

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d4/f4/49/d4f449efa336bfab33bcbc07c543e84d.jpg)
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:34:21: Quote from: absyrd on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:33:06
Quote from: ideus on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:25:57
Kisses for everyone, don't get mad.

:-*

Reported to HR for sexual advance.

Human rights police harassing me.

:-X
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: Prelim on Mon, 07 December 2015, 12:14:17: once you go dolch, there's no turning back :P

(http://s21.postimg.org/d56ze6687/image.jpg)
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: MaNiFeX on Mon, 07 December 2015, 12:32:10: Quote from: romevi on Sun, 06 December 2015, 16:48:48
It's a way of life.

Exactly. See my gamer board. :thumb:
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: zslane on Mon, 07 December 2015, 16:44:55: The Dolch colorway was the second colorway I ever fell in love with (after Space Cadet). I have two sets of Dolch DSA because Dolch is so awesome (and I only type on sphericals, so no OG or GMK for me, tyvm). The only thing that could possibly be better than Dolch DSA would be Dolch SA. I may need to get a GB going for that...

Dolch is "played out" only for young'uns who have no taste or appreciation for classic, timeless colorways. Handarbeit my arse.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: mashby on Mon, 07 December 2015, 16:49:22: More info on Dolch can be found here: http://keypuller.com/dolch/
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 08 December 2015, 03:24:56: Quote from: absyrd on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:07:23
Dolch is played out.

Handarbeit = progression.

If every Dolch PAC had come with Handarbeit on it, the world would be a very different place.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: absyrd on Tue, 08 December 2015, 03:30:02: Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 08 December 2015, 03:24:56
Quote from: absyrd on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:07:23
Dolch is played out.

Handarbeit = progression.

If every Dolch PAC had come with Handarbeit on it, the world would be a very different place.

Maybe everyone would be as colorful as you. :-*
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 08 December 2015, 03:34:30: Quote from: absyrd on Tue, 08 December 2015, 03:30:02
Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 08 December 2015, 03:24:56
Quote from: absyrd on Mon, 07 December 2015, 11:07:23
Dolch is played out.

Handarbeit = progression.

If every Dolch PAC had come with Handarbeit on it, the world would be a very different place.

Maybe everyone would be as colorful as you. :-*

I made a Rowdybeit once :D

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40937.msg1236000#msg1236000
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: absyrd on Tue, 08 December 2015, 03:35:45: Nice. Rowdybeit =/= unicorn vomit.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: jamster on Tue, 08 December 2015, 03:36:21: Is there some kind of historical story behind this handarbeit thing? After Googling it all I can imagine is that perhaps it was the keyboard standard of the Lego company.

Or is it just random colours?
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 08 December 2015, 03:53:23: Quote from: jamster on Tue, 08 December 2015, 03:36:21
Is there some kind of historical story behind this handarbeit thing? After Googling it all I can imagine is that perhaps it was the keyboard standard of the Lego company.

Or is it just random colours?

http://pinchocodia.tistory.com/17
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 08 December 2015, 06:02:42: Dolch is my favourite keyboard from the classics. Perfect layout, perfect key feel, perfect look. It's one board I would never sell, I like it more than my IBM SSK.
Dolch is a classic that should never miss in a serious keyboard collection.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: jamster on Tue, 08 December 2015, 07:01:52: Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 08 December 2015, 03:53:23
Quote from: jamster on Tue, 08 December 2015, 03:36:21
Is there some kind of historical story behind this handarbeit thing? After Googling it all I can imagine is that perhaps it was the keyboard standard of the Lego company.

Or is it just random colours?

http://pinchocodia.tistory.com/17

Thanks for that... "Handicraft Peacock?" from Google translate I get the impression that some guy in Korea threw a bunch of coloured caps onto a board, and it became some kind of meme...?
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 08 December 2015, 10:57:09: no
http://keypuller.com/handarbeit/
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 08 December 2015, 12:29:11: Funny thing about Handarbeit, so rare and has crappy switches...
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: MaNiFeX on Thu, 10 December 2015, 14:06:22: Quote from: zslane on Mon, 07 December 2015, 16:44:55
The only thing that could possibly be better than Dolch DSA would be Dolch SA. I may need to get a GB going for that...

I was thinking the same thing. Sculpted Dolch!!! :-*
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 10 December 2015, 15:00:19: Hack'd By Geeks is essentially sculpted SA Dolch with orange legends.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: xondat on Thu, 10 December 2015, 15:59:27: Quote from: jdcarpe on Thu, 10 December 2015, 15:00:19
Hack'd By Geeks is essentially sculpted SA Dolch with orange legends.

Huh, never noticed that.

Quote from: MaNiFeX on Thu, 10 December 2015, 14:06:22
Quote from: zslane on Mon, 07 December 2015, 16:44:55
The only thing that could possibly be better than Dolch DSA would be Dolch SA. I may need to get a GB going for that...

I was thinking the same thing. Sculpted Dolch!!! :-*

This needs to happen ASAP.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: sintklaas73 on Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:24:22: overated stuff. OG PBT sets > ABS DS
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: jonathanyu on Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:37:34: Quote from: sintklaas73 on Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:24:22
overated stuff. OG PBT sets > ABS DS

ABS > PBT
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: romevi on Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:59:17: Quote from: sintklaas73 on Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:24:22
overated stuff. OG PBT sets > ABS DS

Wait. When people say "OG Cherry," are the older Cherry sets PBT? I always assumed they were ABS.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: sintklaas73 on Thu, 10 December 2015, 17:02:29: you like it shiny right? :D

IMHO both are great, but in the long term...ABS shines, Cherry DS / GMK stuff shines and PBT, specially BSP and OG PBT Cherry sets (great smooth feeling) will keep their texture much much longer than Cherry DS / GMK ABS sets.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 10 December 2015, 17:05:50: Quote from: romevi on Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:59:17
Wait. When people say "OG Cherry," are the older Cherry sets PBT? I always assumed they were ABS.

There are both, the ABS doubleshot sets being relatively more common. There are also much less common PBT dyesub sets, which a lot of serious people would call the best-feeling keysets ever produced, but they go for insane prices (usually).
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: sintklaas73 on Thu, 10 December 2015, 17:14:06: Quote from: romevi on Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:59:17
Quote from: sintklaas73 on Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:24:22
overated stuff. OG PBT sets > ABS DS

Wait. When people say "OG Cherry," are the older Cherry sets PBT? I always assumed they were ABS.

You can consider both, PBT and ABS. I believe both type of keycaps were contemporaneous, even DS being older since you can find them from early 80's.
OG PBT sets are great, so are BSP sets (OG DYESUB replicas). BSP supplied Cherry for their MY keyboards according to their GM and still do for the ML switch type.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 10 December 2015, 19:58:14: Quote from: jonathanyu on Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:37:34
Quote from: sintklaas73 on Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:24:22
overated stuff. OG PBT sets > ABS DS

ABS > PBT

:eek:
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: jonathanyu on Thu, 10 December 2015, 21:29:57: Quote from: sintklaas73 on Thu, 10 December 2015, 17:02:29
you like it shiny right? :D

IMHO both are great, but in the long term...ABS shines, Cherry DS / GMK stuff shines and PBT, specially BSP and OG PBT Cherry sets (great smooth feeling) will keep their texture much much longer than Cherry DS / GMK ABS sets.

ABS that shines is the best
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: romevi on Thu, 10 December 2015, 22:45:55: Quote from: jonathanyu on Thu, 10 December 2015, 21:29:57
Quote from: sintklaas73 on Thu, 10 December 2015, 17:02:29
you like it shiny right? :D

IMHO both are great, but in the long term...ABS shines, Cherry DS / GMK stuff shines and PBT, specially BSP and OG PBT Cherry sets (great smooth feeling) will keep their texture much much longer than Cherry DS / GMK ABS sets.

ABS that shines is the best

I feel like it adds a little personality to it. Like battle wounds, or something.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: ideus on Thu, 10 December 2015, 22:57:14: The velvet touch of a worn off thick ABS OG Cherry set is one the reasons to use a discrete mechanical keyboard. There is nothing wrong with BS or ALPS but there is no key caps like that for them, which is unfortunately.
Title: Re: What exactly is Dolch?
Post by: zslane on Fri, 11 December 2015, 14:41:46: Quote from: jdcarpe on Thu, 10 December 2015, 15:00:19
Hack'd By Geeks is essentially sculpted SA Dolch with orange legends.

Okay, well, here are the reasons a brand new Dolch SA set would be preferable (to Hack'd):

1. It would be available (no scouring classifieds in futility).
2. White legends as per proper Dolch colorway.
3. Superior 1-1-2-3-4-3 row profile. (If I had anything to say about it anyway)
4. Proper R4 Shift keys with fixed legends.
5. Red ESC and RETURN keys.