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Title: [IC] XT60
Post by: xondat on Thu, 24 December 2015, 15:11:51
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Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: mashby on Thu, 24 December 2015, 15:46:56
You've come a long way in a short amount of time. Eager to see how this turns out.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: LeandreN on Thu, 24 December 2015, 17:49:05
This is really cool ! Really love how far you have come in short time. That is also a very stright timeline haha.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Thu, 24 December 2015, 19:58:37
Filed out the IC form. Can't wait for this to be a thing!
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: Pwner on Fri, 25 December 2015, 13:19:56
I've held off on the TEX acrylic myself as I'd prefer a clear case so this sounds perfect.  Filled out the form and hoping this happens.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: braidn on Fri, 25 December 2015, 15:11:13
Form filled out. Excited
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 25 December 2015, 17:06:44
Cautiously following. So far it looks good, just waiting to see how it turns out and compares to other cases  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Fri, 25 December 2015, 23:00:42
Form filled out!!! Good luck! I'm curious as to how this turns out.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 25 December 2015, 23:01:23
I'm afraid of this being expensive to Canada because our currency is ****, in another continent, and gbp is so expensive :'( a shame. gonna fill out form anyway
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: cryptokey on Sat, 26 December 2015, 00:36:09
I'm afraid of this being expensive to Canada because our currency is ****, in another continent, and gbp is so expensive :'( a shame. gonna fill out form anyway

I feel your pain. :'(
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 26 December 2015, 13:33:43
The pcb needs to be supported, do i think that the case needs "fins" and some sort of electrical insulation, like the pok3r do.

Your picture:

(http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png)
http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: Steezus on Sat, 26 December 2015, 22:52:11
The pcb needs to be supported, do i think that the case needs "fins" and some sort of electrical insulation, like the pok3r do.

Your picture:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png)

http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png

If it's going to be made out of acrylic then it shouldn't need insulation at all. The reason why the Pok3r does is because it has a cast aluminum case.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: Giorgio on Sun, 27 December 2015, 01:47:42
The pcb needs to be supported, do i think that the case needs "fins" and some sort of electrical insulation, like the pok3r do.

Your picture:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png)

http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png

If it's going to be made out of acrylic then it shouldn't need insulation at all. The reason why the Pok3r does is because it has a cast aluminum case.
I thought that it was aluminium... :-)
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 27 December 2015, 01:50:29
The pcb needs to be supported, do i think that the case needs "fins" and some sort of electrical insulation, like the pok3r do.

Your picture:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png)

http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png

The PCB doesn't need a support like that.  Your plate provides rigidity.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: xondat on Sun, 27 December 2015, 15:53:51
The pcb needs to be supported, do i think that the case needs "fins" and some sort of electrical insulation, like the pok3r do.

Your picture:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png)

http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png

There are many more benefits than drawbacks when not using fins. A few points to be made would be aesthetics are nicer; the plate supports the PCB; it makes the CNC/CAD file more complicated; and the fins would make the light distribution on the acrylic version distorted. Also, many other cases don't have fins, such as the Hammer, Viper/Eagle, and Lambo. I hope I explained that in enough detail for you! :p

It's being made out of both acrylic and aluminium, but I don't want to change the design for either so it's worth just having one file rather than two. It would also make making future changes a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 27 December 2015, 17:21:59
The pcb needs to be supported, do i think that the case needs "fins" and some sort of electrical insulation, like the pok3r do.

Your picture:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png)

http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png

There are many more benefits than drawbacks when not using fins. A few points to be made would be aesthetics are nicer; the plate supports the PCB; it makes the CNC/CAD file more complicated; and the fins would make the light distribution on the acrylic version distorted. Also, many other cases don't have fins, such as the Hammer, Viper/Eagle, and Lambo. I hope I explained that in enough detail for you! :p

It's being made out of both acrylic and aluminium, but I don't want to change the design for either so it's worth just having one file rather than two. It would also make making future changes a pain in the ass.

If you can get this in a aluminum, depending on the anodization, I would be very much interested. I do prefer two piece designs better where the pcb & plate are screwed in the top but I'm afraid that would add too much cost for what you are trying to achieve.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: xondat on Sun, 27 December 2015, 18:12:34
The pcb needs to be supported, do i think that the case needs "fins" and some sort of electrical insulation, like the pok3r do.

Your picture:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png)

http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png

There are many more benefits than drawbacks when not using fins. A few points to be made would be aesthetics are nicer; the plate supports the PCB; it makes the CNC/CAD file more complicated; and the fins would make the light distribution on the acrylic version distorted. Also, many other cases don't have fins, such as the Hammer, Viper/Eagle, and Lambo. I hope I explained that in enough detail for you! :p

It's being made out of both acrylic and aluminium, but I don't want to change the design for either so it's worth just having one file rather than two. It would also make making future changes a pain in the ass.

If you can get this in a aluminum, depending on the anodization, I would be very much interested. I do prefer two piece designs better where the pcb & plate are screwed in the top but I'm afraid that would add too much cost for what you are trying to achieve.

Aluminum is currently the most demanded material so far, 4 colors also seem to stand out. Do you have an example of what you mean by the two piece design? Do you mean to sell a plate/PCB with the case like the TGR-Jane or Octagon?
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 27 December 2015, 18:18:04
The pcb needs to be supported, do i think that the case needs "fins" and some sort of electrical insulation, like the pok3r do.

Your picture:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png)

http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png

There are many more benefits than drawbacks when not using fins. A few points to be made would be aesthetics are nicer; the plate supports the PCB; it makes the CNC/CAD file more complicated; and the fins would make the light distribution on the acrylic version distorted. Also, many other cases don't have fins, such as the Hammer, Viper/Eagle, and Lambo. I hope I explained that in enough detail for you! :p

It's being made out of both acrylic and aluminium, but I don't want to change the design for either so it's worth just having one file rather than two. It would also make making future changes a pain in the ass.

If you can get this in a aluminum, depending on the anodization, I would be very much interested. I do prefer two piece designs better where the pcb & plate are screwed in the top but I'm afraid that would add too much cost for what you are trying to achieve.

Aluminum is currently the most demanded material so far, 4 colors also seem to stand out. Do you have an example of what you mean by the two piece design? Do you mean to sell a plate/PCB with the case like the TGR-Jane or Octagon?

Yeah I like how Duck and Yuktsi have designed their cases where it's possible to change the bottom half of the case whether it's acrylic, aluminum, or flat acrylic. I guess it would not feasible unless you make a plate for it as well because the screw points would have to be on the outermost part of the plate. By allowing the plate to be attached to the top of the case it allows to give a different pitch and feel to the switches. If it was possible then people could then opt for an aluminum top with an acrylic bottom.

Here is an example of the TGR plate:
(http://i.imgur.com/3p3Paws.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: xondat on Sun, 27 December 2015, 18:33:24
The pcb needs to be supported, do i think that the case needs "fins" and some sort of electrical insulation, like the pok3r do.

Your picture:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png)

http://i.imgur.com/0ps9Tnu.png

There are many more benefits than drawbacks when not using fins. A few points to be made would be aesthetics are nicer; the plate supports the PCB; it makes the CNC/CAD file more complicated; and the fins would make the light distribution on the acrylic version distorted. Also, many other cases don't have fins, such as the Hammer, Viper/Eagle, and Lambo. I hope I explained that in enough detail for you! :p

It's being made out of both acrylic and aluminium, but I don't want to change the design for either so it's worth just having one file rather than two. It would also make making future changes a pain in the ass.

If you can get this in a aluminum, depending on the anodization, I would be very much interested. I do prefer two piece designs better where the pcb & plate are screwed in the top but I'm afraid that would add too much cost for what you are trying to achieve.

Aluminum is currently the most demanded material so far, 4 colors also seem to stand out. Do you have an example of what you mean by the two piece design? Do you mean to sell a plate/PCB with the case like the TGR-Jane or Octagon?

Yeah I like how Duck and Yuktsi have designed their cases where it's possible to change the bottom half of the case whether it's acrylic, aluminum, or flat acrylic. I guess it would not feasible unless you make a plate for it as well because the screw points would have to be on the outermost part of the plate. By allowing the plate to be attached to the top of the case it allows to give a different pitch and feel to the switches. If it was possible then people could then opt for an aluminum top with an acrylic bottom.

Here is an example of the TGR plate:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/3p3Paws.jpg)


It isn't really an option for 60/75% cases from my experience. You'd have the base layer, the plate and then essentially a rectangle piece that screws on top. It makes the case from 1 piece to 3 pieces; whether it's worth it for a different pitch and feel would be a split argument in my opinion. I can't think of a sensible option for a 60% two piece case, so that you could have acrylic for 1 layer and aluminum for the other. The only way would be having the base and the edges separate. It isn't good any other way as the screws wouldn't be flush for the top or bottom piece as the angles are different. It would require a different design that some may like but will be a different looking and feeling case.

It's worth the consideration with TKLs, as you need to have two pieces anyway (to get the PCB etc inside) so it's a lot easier. I'll definitely look into the option if I start designing other sized cases, which I am absolutely interested in.

How is the PCB attached to the plate for the TGR, is it through only the stabs? That's all the information I can get from that picture right now...
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sun, 27 December 2015, 19:03:02
Looks nice, I could honestly go for a more unique looking design, but the work you've done is cool.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: Bromono on Sun, 27 December 2015, 19:09:07
Submitted one!

Excited for this!
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 27 December 2015, 20:07:34
It isn't really an option for 60/75% cases from my experience. You'd have the base layer, the plate and then essentially a rectangle piece that screws on top. It makes the case from 1 piece to 3 pieces; whether it's worth it for a different pitch and feel would be a split argument in my opinion. I can't think of a sensible option for a 60% two piece case, so that you could have acrylic for 1 layer and aluminum for the other. The only way would be having the base and the edges separate. It isn't good any other way as the screws wouldn't be flush for the top or bottom piece as the angles are different. It would require a different design that some may like but will be a different looking and feeling case.

It's worth the consideration with TKLs, as you need to have two pieces anyway (to get the PCB etc inside) so it's a lot easier. I'll definitely look into the option if I start designing other sized cases, which I am absolutely interested in.

How is the PCB attached to the plate for the TGR, is it through only the stabs? That's all the information I can get from that picture right now...

It's actually quite feasible for any keyboard layout, after all Duck is planning on the two piece design for the Octagon v2. All that the design would be is that the plate would be screwed into the top piece from underneath(that way no screws are shown), and then the same for the bottom half of the case but would just require longer screws. The only way to see any sort of screw holes were if you flipped the case over and looked at it from it's underside. It shares some similarities to the Orion v2.

I'm not asking you to make it this way, all I was saying is that I prefer that method.

The plate and PCB will be attached once you solder in all the switches, just like any other keyboard I've ever made. The stabs do not hold it down at all.

Edit: Late edit but I felt some of my wording was more of an accusation than an observation.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: xondat on Mon, 28 December 2015, 19:23:02
UPDATE 1 12/28/2015

The design of the case was completed a while ago, but that doesn't mean that the model was. Ramage, MiTo and I have been furiously working past design issues and flaws collectively the past couple of nights, trying to make sense of the benefits and disadvantages in the model. It isn't acceptable to have any flaws in a case that you take pride in so things have to change. There have been a few minor changes, such as the wrong positioning of the standoffs has now been corrected; the USB hole has changed position and dimensions, to accommodate for the new measurements we have; the logo was added to the back side of the case; and finally the internal walls have changed size, as the maximum height of the case is 25mm. The design will not be changing, unless there is a serious problem that requires a complete redo of the design, which is unlikely but will have to consider when I get the acrylic prototypes. It took us over 2 hours to figure out how to have the walls at the correct height, so taking everything else into consideration really puts it into perspective. We also added the logo to the back of the case, as mentioned previously, which I think looks classy & minimalistic but discrete - let me know what you think on this one. Rampage is also able to create some renders of the almost finished design, so without further ado, here they are:

(http://i.imgur.com/cqs8ViB.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/g2Nie6m.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/emEKAgF.jpg)

More
(http://i.imgur.com/C60zvnc.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/pWnguzz.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/bAWaZUv.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/l9t065M.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/kniV61H.jpg)

Now onto the current statistics from the interest check. There have been 27 responses over a period of 4 days, which I find really impressive and I'm glad that people are taking interest in this project. The main numbers so far are the numbers for the choice of material: 20 for aluminum, 8 for clear acrylic and 13 for frosted acrylic. So the clear choice here is aluminum, which is good as I feel like this might be my preferred option as this project moves on. The colors for aluminum are also mildly interesting, with 15 votes for stock; 10 for black & zealios purple; 7 for blue; 4 for green and red; 3 for orange and 4 for other section; which includes pink, gray and titanium. This leaves 4 distinct colors so far; stock, blue, black & purple. The top 3/4 finishes will be the ones that are made, so this part is essential to the research that needs to be done.

I'm aiming for a total of 100 responses before I move on any further with anything, so if the progression is linear then expect movement in two weeks. I doubt it'll carry on like this though!

The feedback I've had so far has been helpful as well, and has been taken into consideration which any changes. Something that came up would be to round the exterior corners - they will be rounded as this is available as a finishing option with the companies I am dealing with. However, most people are off work until the 4th of January, so quotes and communication are near impossible until then.

Another update will follow soon, when I receive the prototype cases. Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Mon, 28 December 2015, 20:54:49
UPDATE 1 12/28/2015

The design of the case was completed a while ago, but that doesn't mean that the model was. Rampage, MiTo and I have been furiously working past design issues and flaws collectively the past couple of nights, trying to make sense of the benefits and disadvantages in the model. It isn't acceptable to have any flaws in a case that you take pride in so things have to change. There have been a few minor changes, such as the wrong positioning of the standoffs has now been corrected; the USB hole has changed position and dimensions, to accommodate for the new measurements we have; the logo was added to the back side of the case; and finally the internal walls have changed size, as the maximum height of the case is 25mm. The design will not be changing, unless there is a serious problem that requires a complete redo of the design, which is unlikely but will have to consider when I get the acrylic prototypes. It took us over 2 hours to figure out how to have the walls at the correct height, so taking everything else into consideration really puts it into perspective. We also added the logo to the back of the case, as mentioned previously, which I think looks classy & minimalistic but discrete - let me know what you think on this one. Rampage is also able to create some renders of the almost finished design, so without further ado, here they are:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cqs8ViB.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/g2Nie6m.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/emEKAgF.jpg)


More
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/C60zvnc.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/pWnguzz.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bAWaZUv.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/l9t065M.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/kniV61H.jpg)

Now onto the current statistics from the interest check. There have been 27 responses over a period of 4 days, which I find really impressive and I'm glad that people are taking interest in this project. The main numbers so far are the numbers for the choice of material: 20 for aluminum, 8 for clear acrylic and 13 for frosted acrylic. So the clear choice here is aluminum, which is good as I feel like this might be my preferred option as this project moves on. The colors for aluminum are also mildly interesting, with 15 votes for stock; 10 for black & zealios purple; 7 for blue; 4 for green and red; 3 for orange and 4 for other section; which includes pink, gray and titanium. This leaves 4 distinct colors so far; stock, blue, black & purple. The top 3/4 finishes will be the ones that are made, so this part is essential to the research that needs to be done.

I'm aiming for a total of 100 responses before I move on any further with anything, so if the progression is linear then expect movement in two weeks. I doubt it'll carry on like this though!

The feedback I've had so far has been helpful as well, and has been taken into consideration which any changes. Something that came up would be to round the exterior corners - they will be rounded as this is available as a finishing option with the companies I am dealing with. However, most people are off work until the 4th of January, so quotes and communication are near impossible until then.

Another update will follow soon, when I receive the prototype cases. Thanks everyone.

Great to hear an update like this. The renders look fantastic and I can't wait to see shots of the prototypes. Good job man!
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: xondat on Tue, 29 December 2015, 14:24:39
It isn't really an option for 60/75% cases from my experience. You'd have the base layer, the plate and then essentially a rectangle piece that screws on top. It makes the case from 1 piece to 3 pieces; whether it's worth it for a different pitch and feel would be a split argument in my opinion. I can't think of a sensible option for a 60% two piece case, so that you could have acrylic for 1 layer and aluminum for the other. The only way would be having the base and the edges separate. It isn't good any other way as the screws wouldn't be flush for the top or bottom piece as the angles are different. It would require a different design that some may like but will be a different looking and feeling case.

It's worth the consideration with TKLs, as you need to have two pieces anyway (to get the PCB etc inside) so it's a lot easier. I'll definitely look into the option if I start designing other sized cases, which I am absolutely interested in.

How is the PCB attached to the plate for the TGR, is it through only the stabs? That's all the information I can get from that picture right now...

It's actually quite feasible for any keyboard layout, after all Duck is planning on the two piece design for the Octagon v2. All that the design would be is that the plate would be screwed into the top piece from underneath(that way no screws are shown), and then the same for the bottom half of the case but would just require longer screws. The only way to see any sort of screw holes were if you flipped the case over and looked at it from it's underside. Your case design is almost exactly the same as the Orion v2 so I don't see why it wouldn't work.

I'm not asking you to make it this way, all I was saying is that I prefer that method.

The plate and PCB will be attached once you solder in all the switches, just like any other keyboard I've ever made. The stabs do not hold it down at all.

I've just realized how that's achievable, only took me a couple of days of thinking about it... The pictures of the Red Scarf made me realize how -

(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i2/657078890/TB2_0SqhVXXXXblXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!657078890.jpg)

This will be easier to manufacture and also be cheaper without taking too much away from the design. It may also add to design as there could, for example, be a aluminium bottom and acrylic top. The issues we've been running into would be fixed using this method of case design, and allow much more freedom. I'll start seeing what my options are at the minute. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: joey on Tue, 29 December 2015, 14:28:02
Is there a render of the logo?
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 29 December 2015, 14:32:40
Is there a render of the logo?

On the keyboard:

(http://i.imgur.com/emEKAgF.jpg)

The main picture of the logo is in the OP.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 29 December 2015, 14:59:45
Is there a render of the logo?

On the keyboard:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/emEKAgF.jpg)


The main picture of the logo is in the OP.

I at first didn't see it but I like subtleness of it
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 29 December 2015, 15:09:24
XT60 - A British 60% Case
So it's gonna fall apart in a week?

Kidding aside, I would be interested if I had any interest in 60% boards. Good luck with the GB if you launch it!
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 29 December 2015, 15:25:47
I at first didn't see it but I like subtleness of it

Glad to see you here and glad that you like the logo! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 29 December 2015, 15:38:50
XT60 - A British 60% Case
So it's gonna fall apart in a week?

Kidding aside, I would be interested if I had any interest in 60% boards. Good luck with the GB if you launch it!

That's why it's a 1 piece case, no moving parts ;)

Is there a render of the logo?

On the keyboard:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/emEKAgF.jpg)


The main picture of the logo is in the OP.

I at first didn't see it but I like subtleness of it

Originally we had the text there too but I think this works a lot better

(http://i.imgur.com/8JJnsgV.png)
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: Ramage on Tue, 29 December 2015, 17:41:47
XT60 - A British 60% Case
So it's gonna fall apart in a week?

Kidding aside, I would be interested if I had any interest in 60% boards. Good luck with the GB if you launch it!

The screws on that render are going to confuse people. Also the prototype I'd being cut out of wood as we speak. (Attachment Link)

That's why it's a 1 piece case, no moving parts ;)

Is there a render of the logo?

On the keyboard:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/emEKAgF.jpg)


The main picture of the logo is in the OP.

I at first didn't see it but I like subtleness of it

Originally we had the text there too but I think this works a lot better

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/8JJnsgV.png)

Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: Solo on Tue, 29 December 2015, 18:23:32
Form filled.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 29 December 2015, 19:06:20
It isn't really an option for 60/75% cases from my experience. You'd have the base layer, the plate and then essentially a rectangle piece that screws on top. It makes the case from 1 piece to 3 pieces; whether it's worth it for a different pitch and feel would be a split argument in my opinion. I can't think of a sensible option for a 60% two piece case, so that you could have acrylic for 1 layer and aluminum for the other. The only way would be having the base and the edges separate. It isn't good any other way as the screws wouldn't be flush for the top or bottom piece as the angles are different. It would require a different design that some may like but will be a different looking and feeling case.

It's worth the consideration with TKLs, as you need to have two pieces anyway (to get the PCB etc inside) so it's a lot easier. I'll definitely look into the option if I start designing other sized cases, which I am absolutely interested in.

How is the PCB attached to the plate for the TGR, is it through only the stabs? That's all the information I can get from that picture right now...

It's actually quite feasible for any keyboard layout, after all Duck is planning on the two piece design for the Octagon v2. All that the design would be is that the plate would be screwed into the top piece from underneath(that way no screws are shown), and then the same for the bottom half of the case but would just require longer screws. The only way to see any sort of screw holes were if you flipped the case over and looked at it from it's underside. Your case design is almost exactly the same as the Orion v2 so I don't see why it wouldn't work.

I'm not asking you to make it this way, all I was saying is that I prefer that method.

The plate and PCB will be attached once you solder in all the switches, just like any other keyboard I've ever made. The stabs do not hold it down at all.

I've just realized how that's achievable, only took me a couple of days of thinking about it... The pictures of the Red Scarf made me realize how -

Show Image
(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i2/657078890/TB2_0SqhVXXXXblXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!657078890.jpg)


This will be easier to manufacture and also be cheaper without taking too much away from the design. It may also add to design as there could, for example, be a aluminium bottom and acrylic top. The issues we've been running into would be fixed using this method of case design, and allow much more freedom. I'll start seeing what my options are at the minute. :thumb:

If you go this rout, it would be pretty awesome if you allowed for a mix and match of colors and acrylic/aluminum!
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: xondat on Wed, 30 December 2015, 13:51:31
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It isn't really an option for 60/75% cases from my experience. You'd have the base layer, the plate and then essentially a rectangle piece that screws on top. It makes the case from 1 piece to 3 pieces; whether it's worth it for a different pitch and feel would be a split argument in my opinion. I can't think of a sensible option for a 60% two piece case, so that you could have acrylic for 1 layer and aluminum for the other. The only way would be having the base and the edges separate. It isn't good any other way as the screws wouldn't be flush for the top or bottom piece as the angles are different. It would require a different design that some may like but will be a different looking and feeling case.

It's worth the consideration with TKLs, as you need to have two pieces anyway (to get the PCB etc inside) so it's a lot easier. I'll definitely look into the option if I start designing other sized cases, which I am absolutely interested in.

How is the PCB attached to the plate for the TGR, is it through only the stabs? That's all the information I can get from that picture right now...

It's actually quite feasible for any keyboard layout, after all Duck is planning on the two piece design for the Octagon v2. All that the design would be is that the plate would be screwed into the top piece from underneath(that way no screws are shown), and then the same for the bottom half of the case but would just require longer screws. The only way to see any sort of screw holes were if you flipped the case over and looked at it from it's underside. Your case design is almost exactly the same as the Orion v2 so I don't see why it wouldn't work.

I'm not asking you to make it this way, all I was saying is that I prefer that method.

The plate and PCB will be attached once you solder in all the switches, just like any other keyboard I've ever made. The stabs do not hold it down at all.

I've just realized how that's achievable, only took me a couple of days of thinking about it... The pictures of the Red Scarf made me realize how -

Show Image
(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i2/657078890/TB2_0SqhVXXXXblXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!657078890.jpg)


This will be easier to manufacture and also be cheaper without taking too much away from the design. It may also add to design as there could, for example, be a aluminium bottom and acrylic top. The issues we've been running into would be fixed using this method of case design, and allow much more freedom. I'll start seeing what my options are at the minute. :thumb:

If you go this rout, it would be pretty awesome if you allowed for a mix and match of colors and acrylic/aluminum!

I think I'm too far in to change it that dramastically, I might consider looking at different keyboard sizes though as the 60% case market is flooded.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - A British 60% Case
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Wed, 30 December 2015, 18:47:19
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It isn't really an option for 60/75% cases from my experience. You'd have the base layer, the plate and then essentially a rectangle piece that screws on top. It makes the case from 1 piece to 3 pieces; whether it's worth it for a different pitch and feel would be a split argument in my opinion. I can't think of a sensible option for a 60% two piece case, so that you could have acrylic for 1 layer and aluminum for the other. The only way would be having the base and the edges separate. It isn't good any other way as the screws wouldn't be flush for the top or bottom piece as the angles are different. It would require a different design that some may like but will be a different looking and feeling case.

It's worth the consideration with TKLs, as you need to have two pieces anyway (to get the PCB etc inside) so it's a lot easier. I'll definitely look into the option if I start designing other sized cases, which I am absolutely interested in.

How is the PCB attached to the plate for the TGR, is it through only the stabs? That's all the information I can get from that picture right now...

It's actually quite feasible for any keyboard layout, after all Duck is planning on the two piece design for the Octagon v2. All that the design would be is that the plate would be screwed into the top piece from underneath(that way no screws are shown), and then the same for the bottom half of the case but would just require longer screws. The only way to see any sort of screw holes were if you flipped the case over and looked at it from it's underside. Your case design is almost exactly the same as the Orion v2 so I don't see why it wouldn't work.

I'm not asking you to make it this way, all I was saying is that I prefer that method.

The plate and PCB will be attached once you solder in all the switches, just like any other keyboard I've ever made. The stabs do not hold it down at all.

I've just realized how that's achievable, only took me a couple of days of thinking about it... The pictures of the Red Scarf made me realize how -

Show Image
(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i2/657078890/TB2_0SqhVXXXXblXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!657078890.jpg)


This will be easier to manufacture and also be cheaper without taking too much away from the design. It may also add to design as there could, for example, be a aluminium bottom and acrylic top. The issues we've been running into would be fixed using this method of case design, and allow much more freedom. I'll start seeing what my options are at the minute. :thumb:

If you go this rout, it would be pretty awesome if you allowed for a mix and match of colors and acrylic/aluminum!

I think I'm too far in to change it that dramastically, I might consider looking at different keyboard sizes though as the 60% case market is flooded.

Well, that might give me the push to get a TKL board at least.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 30 December 2015, 19:46:43
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It isn't really an option for 60/75% cases from my experience. You'd have the base layer, the plate and then essentially a rectangle piece that screws on top. It makes the case from 1 piece to 3 pieces; whether it's worth it for a different pitch and feel would be a split argument in my opinion. I can't think of a sensible option for a 60% two piece case, so that you could have acrylic for 1 layer and aluminum for the other. The only way would be having the base and the edges separate. It isn't good any other way as the screws wouldn't be flush for the top or bottom piece as the angles are different. It would require a different design that some may like but will be a different looking and feeling case.

It's worth the consideration with TKLs, as you need to have two pieces anyway (to get the PCB etc inside) so it's a lot easier. I'll definitely look into the option if I start designing other sized cases, which I am absolutely interested in.

How is the PCB attached to the plate for the TGR, is it through only the stabs? That's all the information I can get from that picture right now...

It's actually quite feasible for any keyboard layout, after all Duck is planning on the two piece design for the Octagon v2. All that the design would be is that the plate would be screwed into the top piece from underneath(that way no screws are shown), and then the same for the bottom half of the case but would just require longer screws. The only way to see any sort of screw holes were if you flipped the case over and looked at it from it's underside. Your case design is almost exactly the same as the Orion v2 so I don't see why it wouldn't work.

I'm not asking you to make it this way, all I was saying is that I prefer that method.

The plate and PCB will be attached once you solder in all the switches, just like any other keyboard I've ever made. The stabs do not hold it down at all.

I've just realized how that's achievable, only took me a couple of days of thinking about it... The pictures of the Red Scarf made me realize how -

Show Image
(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i2/657078890/TB2_0SqhVXXXXblXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!657078890.jpg)


This will be easier to manufacture and also be cheaper without taking too much away from the design. It may also add to design as there could, for example, be a aluminium bottom and acrylic top. The issues we've been running into would be fixed using this method of case design, and allow much more freedom. I'll start seeing what my options are at the minute. :thumb:

If you go this rout, it would be pretty awesome if you allowed for a mix and match of colors and acrylic/aluminum!

I think I'm too far in to change it that dramastically, I might consider looking at different keyboard sizes though as the 60% case market is flooded.

Well, that might give me the push to get a TKL board at least.

TKL is the 3rd most popular layout, but I might give the 2nd most popular a run if this doesn't work out when I get the quotes.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Thu, 31 December 2015, 19:52:22
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It isn't really an option for 60/75% cases from my experience. You'd have the base layer, the plate and then essentially a rectangle piece that screws on top. It makes the case from 1 piece to 3 pieces; whether it's worth it for a different pitch and feel would be a split argument in my opinion. I can't think of a sensible option for a 60% two piece case, so that you could have acrylic for 1 layer and aluminum for the other. The only way would be having the base and the edges separate. It isn't good any other way as the screws wouldn't be flush for the top or bottom piece as the angles are different. It would require a different design that some may like but will be a different looking and feeling case.

It's worth the consideration with TKLs, as you need to have two pieces anyway (to get the PCB etc inside) so it's a lot easier. I'll definitely look into the option if I start designing other sized cases, which I am absolutely interested in.

How is the PCB attached to the plate for the TGR, is it through only the stabs? That's all the information I can get from that picture right now...

It's actually quite feasible for any keyboard layout, after all Duck is planning on the two piece design for the Octagon v2. All that the design would be is that the plate would be screwed into the top piece from underneath(that way no screws are shown), and then the same for the bottom half of the case but would just require longer screws. The only way to see any sort of screw holes were if you flipped the case over and looked at it from it's underside. Your case design is almost exactly the same as the Orion v2 so I don't see why it wouldn't work.

I'm not asking you to make it this way, all I was saying is that I prefer that method.

The plate and PCB will be attached once you solder in all the switches, just like any other keyboard I've ever made. The stabs do not hold it down at all.

I've just realized how that's achievable, only took me a couple of days of thinking about it... The pictures of the Red Scarf made me realize how -

Show Image
(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i2/657078890/TB2_0SqhVXXXXblXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!657078890.jpg)


This will be easier to manufacture and also be cheaper without taking too much away from the design. It may also add to design as there could, for example, be a aluminium bottom and acrylic top. The issues we've been running into would be fixed using this method of case design, and allow much more freedom. I'll start seeing what my options are at the minute. :thumb:

If you go this rout, it would be pretty awesome if you allowed for a mix and match of colors and acrylic/aluminum!

I think I'm too far in to change it that dramastically, I might consider looking at different keyboard sizes though as the 60% case market is flooded.

Well, that might give me the push to get a TKL board at least.

TKL is the 3rd most popular layout, but I might give the 2nd most popular a run if this doesn't work out when I get the quotes.

I would definitely prefer full size over TKL. And there really aren't many options for full size customs. We'll need plates and PCB's though!
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 31 December 2015, 20:03:03
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It isn't really an option for 60/75% cases from my experience. You'd have the base layer, the plate and then essentially a rectangle piece that screws on top. It makes the case from 1 piece to 3 pieces; whether it's worth it for a different pitch and feel would be a split argument in my opinion. I can't think of a sensible option for a 60% two piece case, so that you could have acrylic for 1 layer and aluminum for the other. The only way would be having the base and the edges separate. It isn't good any other way as the screws wouldn't be flush for the top or bottom piece as the angles are different. It would require a different design that some may like but will be a different looking and feeling case.

It's worth the consideration with TKLs, as you need to have two pieces anyway (to get the PCB etc inside) so it's a lot easier. I'll definitely look into the option if I start designing other sized cases, which I am absolutely interested in.

How is the PCB attached to the plate for the TGR, is it through only the stabs? That's all the information I can get from that picture right now...

It's actually quite feasible for any keyboard layout, after all Duck is planning on the two piece design for the Octagon v2. All that the design would be is that the plate would be screwed into the top piece from underneath(that way no screws are shown), and then the same for the bottom half of the case but would just require longer screws. The only way to see any sort of screw holes were if you flipped the case over and looked at it from it's underside. Your case design is almost exactly the same as the Orion v2 so I don't see why it wouldn't work.

I'm not asking you to make it this way, all I was saying is that I prefer that method.

The plate and PCB will be attached once you solder in all the switches, just like any other keyboard I've ever made. The stabs do not hold it down at all.

I've just realized how that's achievable, only took me a couple of days of thinking about it... The pictures of the Red Scarf made me realize how -

Show Image
(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i2/657078890/TB2_0SqhVXXXXblXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!657078890.jpg)


This will be easier to manufacture and also be cheaper without taking too much away from the design. It may also add to design as there could, for example, be a aluminium bottom and acrylic top. The issues we've been running into would be fixed using this method of case design, and allow much more freedom. I'll start seeing what my options are at the minute. :thumb:

If you go this rout, it would be pretty awesome if you allowed for a mix and match of colors and acrylic/aluminum!

I think I'm too far in to change it that dramastically, I might consider looking at different keyboard sizes though as the 60% case market is flooded.

Well, that might give me the push to get a TKL board at least.

TKL is the 3rd most popular layout, but I might give the 2nd most popular a run if this doesn't work out when I get the quotes.

I would definitely prefer full size over TKL. And there really aren't many options for full size customs. We'll need plates and PCB's though!

I'd be a fan of a full size board if the numpad was on the left, I hate the normal layout of it.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: Solo on Thu, 31 December 2015, 21:25:00
I'd be a fan of a full size board if the numpad was on the left, I hate the normal layout of it.

I would love a custom board with a "left handed" layout.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 01 January 2016, 13:57:54
I can start work on that but would it be compact or full size standard but the numpad on the other side?
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 01 January 2016, 14:13:26
I can start work on that but would it be compact or full size standard but the numpad on the other side?

Yeah left handed numpad is the way to go, it makes much more sense so you can still use the mouse while inputting numbers. I prefer compact myself but I'm curious as to what designs could come of it, full size is also nice but a lot of people prefer to not have a dedicated numpad and have more room on their desk. The nice thing about 1800 layouts is that it's only about an inch longer than TKL.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 01 January 2016, 15:33:45
(http://i.imgur.com/0NEgPpU.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/EGXGNYm.png)

Normal and compact versions, let me know if that was what you are interested in. The compact version is only 3 caps longer than a TKL.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 01 January 2016, 15:52:37
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0NEgPpU.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/EGXGNYm.png)


Normal and compact versions, let me know if that was what you are interested in. The compact version is only 3 caps longer than a TKL.

Hmm after seeing it on an image I'd like the full size version. For the sake of mixing it up and experimenting, I came up with a layout that I personally would like. I'm not sure what others would think but it's just about 3.25 keys longer than TKL. You could switch up the position of insert and delete either at the top or below the end and pgdown keys.

[attachimg=1]

I just made this up rather quick, not sure how compatible all the keys are but I tried to make it as accurate as possible to the best of my knowledge.
Title: Re: [IC] XT?? - Need input on layouts.
Post by: xondat on Fri, 01 January 2016, 16:15:11
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(http://i.imgur.com/0NEgPpU.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/EGXGNYm.png)


Normal and compact versions, let me know if that was what you are interested in. The compact version is only 3 caps longer than a TKL.

Hmm after seeing it on an image I'd like the full size version. For the sake of mixing it up and experimenting, I came up with a layout that I personally would like. I'm not sure what others would think but it's just about 3.25 keys longer than TKL. You could switch up the position of insert and delete either at the top or below the end and pgdown keys.

(Attachment Link)

I just made this up rather quick, not sure how compatible all the keys are but I tried to make it as accurate as possible to the best of my knowledge.

I think two problems are having too much wasted space and the other being that keycap profiles won't match half the time which can make it ugly sometimes. I'm personally not keen on how the arrow cluster on yours is stepped downwards, but others may feel different.




This current interest check for the 60% case is currently on 39 responses, with a massive favour taking for the aluminium option. I'll be getting quotes on Monday for acrylic and aluminium, but I'm not sure how many cases will need to be bought in order to get them down to a reasonable price. Any suggestions on a push to a greater audience?
Title: Re: [IC] XT?? - Need input on layouts.
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 01 January 2016, 16:18:36
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0NEgPpU.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/EGXGNYm.png)


Normal and compact versions, let me know if that was what you are interested in. The compact version is only 3 caps longer than a TKL.

Hmm after seeing it on an image I'd like the full size version. For the sake of mixing it up and experimenting, I came up with a layout that I personally would like. I'm not sure what others would think but it's just about 3.25 keys longer than TKL. You could switch up the position of insert and delete either at the top or below the end and pgdown keys.

(Attachment Link)

I just made this up rather quick, not sure how compatible all the keys are but I tried to make it as accurate as possible to the best of my knowledge.

I think two problems are having too much wasted space and the other being that keycap profiles won't match half the time which can make it ugly sometimes. I'm personally not keen on how the arrow cluster on yours is stepped downwards, but others may feel different.

Yeah I personally like the spaces myself, hence why I did that but that's because sometimes compact can look pretty crowded imo. I tried to match the right shift and the arrow cluster similar to the 1800 layout how the arrow keys are stepped down and how the right shift is slightly smaller. I'm not 100% sold on the arrow cluster being stepped down but on the layout editor it looked a little funny when it not.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 01 January 2016, 16:50:56
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0NEgPpU.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/EGXGNYm.png)


Normal and compact versions, let me know if that was what you are interested in. The compact version is only 3 caps longer than a TKL.

Hmm after seeing it on an image I'd like the full size version. For the sake of mixing it up and experimenting, I came up with a layout that I personally would like. I'm not sure what others would think but it's just about 3.25 keys longer than TKL. You could switch up the position of insert and delete either at the top or below the end and pgdown keys.

(Attachment Link)

I just made this up rather quick, not sure how compatible all the keys are but I tried to make it as accurate as possible to the best of my knowledge.

I think two problems are having too much wasted space and the other being that keycap profiles won't match half the time which can make it ugly sometimes. I'm personally not keen on how the arrow cluster on yours is stepped downwards, but others may feel different.

Yeah I personally like the spaces myself, hence why I did that but that's because sometimes compact can look pretty crowded imo. I tried to match the right shift and the arrow cluster similar to the 1800 layout how the arrow keys are stepped down and how the right shift is slightly smaller. I'm not 100% sold on the arrow cluster being stepped down but on the layout editor it looked a little funny when it not.

I'd need other peoples input on this; the layout is growing on me though and I can see it appealing to people that deal with data entry a lot.

Not too sure if this XT60 project will follow through at the minute; I'm without a CAD designer now so case design is on hold and I'll be stuck with this for a while. It's a shame because I can already imagine how I'd do a case for this, I think the main thing would be the PCB design etc.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: joey on Fri, 01 January 2016, 16:54:13
I'm confused..  I thought the xt60 case was finalised?
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 01 January 2016, 16:56:47
I'm confused..  I thought the xt60 case was finalised?

This case is finalized. Quotes on Monday - I don't see it selling well though, so discussing other options.

MiTo and myself are discussing selling this as a kit, so with a plate and a PCB. Are people interested in this option?
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: joey on Fri, 01 January 2016, 16:58:29
Is there a reason you don't want to go ahead even with ~30?
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 01 January 2016, 17:00:18
I'm curious what others think of the design as well, but I don't want to clog up this thread with that since this is for the 60% case design.

I've had a decent bit of experience regarding AutoCAD. In fact my father owns a ME firm so we're going to take a trip to his office tomorrow to get AutoCAD and SOLIDWORKS on my laptop so I can work on other projects that I had in mind. I'd be willing to help out wherever it's possible.

As for getting more popularity on this, although it pains me to say :p, have you shared this over on Reddit? I know they're a pretty big fan of 60%s and if it's compatible with the Pok3r I'm sure you could real in a fair bit of interest.

Edit: I think a PCB and Plate option could be beneficial as well, I was looking at LeandreN's 60% plates and they look really nice, I'm sure it couldn't be too difficult finding a source for the PCBs.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 01 January 2016, 17:11:46
I'm curious what others think of the design as well, but I don't want to clog up this thread with that since this is for the 60% case design.

I've had a decent bit of experience regarding AutoCAD. In fact my father owns a ME firm so we're going to take a trip to his office tomorrow to get AutoCAD and SOLIDWORKS on my laptop so I can work on other projects that I had in mind. I'd be willing to help out wherever it's possible.

As for getting more popularity on this, although it pains me to say :p, have you shared this over on Reddit? I know they're a pretty big fan of 60%s and if it's compatible with the Pok3r I'm sure you could real in a fair bit of interest.

Edit: I think a PCB and Plate option could be beneficial as well, I was looking at LeandreN's 60% plates and they look really nice, I'm sure it couldn't be too difficult finding a source for the PCBs.

Howdy mate! Glad to see you here.

I'm in Rio for the next couple of days and will be back to home town by Monday.

When I'm home, I'll start quoting our acrylic 60% case design and plates, with a local manufacturer. They make everything on acrylic and I'm fairly confident that they will be able to make what we need. I'm expecting very affordable prices.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 01 January 2016, 17:15:59
I'm curious what others think of the design as well, but I don't want to clog up this thread with that since this is for the 60% case design.

I've had a decent bit of experience regarding AutoCAD. In fact my father owns a ME firm so we're going to take a trip to his office tomorrow to get AutoCAD and SOLIDWORKS on my laptop so I can work on other projects that I had in mind. I'd be willing to help out wherever it's possible.

As for getting more popularity on this, although it pains me to say :p, have you shared this over on Reddit? I know they're a pretty big fan of 60%s and if it's compatible with the Pok3r I'm sure you could real in a fair bit of interest.

Edit: I think a PCB and Plate option could be beneficial as well, I was looking at LeandreN's 60% plates and they look really nice, I'm sure it couldn't be too difficult finding a source for the PCBs.

Howdy mate! Glad to see you here.

I'm in Rio for the next couple of days and will be back to home town by Monday.

When I'm home, I'll start quoting our acrylic 60% case design and plates, with a local manufacturer. They make everything on acrylic and I'm fairly confident that they will be able to make what we need. I'm expecting very affordable prices.

Hey there! Thanks, I like to work my way around geekhack. :p

That is awesome news, can't wait to see this come to fruition. Affordable prices can definitely drive in a lot a more interest. Safe travels! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 01 January 2016, 17:25:45
Is there a reason you don't want to go ahead even with ~30?

Aluminium is currently the most popular but wildly the most expensive. I don't want to deter people with a massive price, but I don't want to give up on this yet :'(
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: joey on Fri, 01 January 2016, 17:30:53
Is there a reason you don't want to go ahead even with ~30?

Aluminium is currently the most popular but wildly the most expensive. I don't want to deter people with a massive price, but I don't want to give up on this yet :'(
Do you have any rough quotes?
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 (UPDATE 1 BELOW)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 01 January 2016, 19:18:17
Is there a reason you don't want to go ahead even with ~30?

Aluminium is currently the most popular but wildly the most expensive. I don't want to deter people with a massive price, but I don't want to give up on this yet :'(
Do you have any rough quotes?

Not right now, but we have to pay for a custom fixture so therefore the price per case rises a lot. The first design is completely different to the final design so I feel that the two do not relate enough.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - New update (1/4/16)
Post by: xondat on Mon, 04 January 2016, 15:40:17
Ran into a bit of bad luck today. The company I was recommended to make acrylic versions no longer have the sufficient equipment to cut the case, so now I'll have to look into more companies around the UK about getting a acrylic quote. The aluminium company has yet to get back to me with a quote but he is usually good with communication and should have the price drop points tomorrow. They won't be final but they will be similar.

I'm waiting on my previous modeller to send me the final version, which involves very minor tweaks to the design to make it stronger whilst looking nicer. Not sure when that'll get to me but hopefully tomorrow. Literally just sent the message and since he is quite active it shouldn't be too hard.

Apart from that, going to start pushing to a wider audience and get some more people on board. The question I'll leave today for people to answer will be this: would you like to see a PCB/plate available in this? Let me know how you feel about that so I can do the relevant research.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - New update (1/4/16)
Post by: Bromono on Mon, 04 January 2016, 15:55:54
Ran into a bit of bad luck today. The company I was recommended to make acrylic versions no longer have the sufficient equipment to cut the case, so now I'll have to look into more companies around the UK about getting a acrylic quote. The aluminium company has yet to get back to me with a quote but he is usually good with communication and should have the price drop points tomorrow. They won't be final but they will be similar.

I'm waiting on my previous modeller to send me the final version, which involves very minor tweaks to the design to make it stronger whilst looking nicer. Not sure when that'll get to me but hopefully tomorrow. Literally just sent the message and since he is quite active it shouldn't be too hard.

Apart from that, going to start pushing to a wider audience and get some more people on board. The question I'll leave today for people to answer will be this: would you like to see a PCB/plate available in this? Let me know how you feel about that so I can do the relevant research.

If the PCB supported different layouts then your traditional poker layout, I would be interested for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - New update (1/4/16)
Post by: xondat on Mon, 04 January 2016, 17:01:25
Ran into a bit of bad luck today. The company I was recommended to make acrylic versions no longer have the sufficient equipment to cut the case, so now I'll have to look into more companies around the UK about getting a acrylic quote. The aluminium company has yet to get back to me with a quote but he is usually good with communication and should have the price drop points tomorrow. They won't be final but they will be similar.

I'm waiting on my previous modeller to send me the final version, which involves very minor tweaks to the design to make it stronger whilst looking nicer. Not sure when that'll get to me but hopefully tomorrow. Literally just sent the message and since he is quite active it shouldn't be too hard.

Apart from that, going to start pushing to a wider audience and get some more people on board. The question I'll leave today for people to answer will be this: would you like to see a PCB/plate available in this? Let me know how you feel about that so I can do the relevant research.

If the PCB supported different layouts then your traditional poker layout, I would be interested for sure.

Such as a non-standard bottom row and ISO support?
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - New update (1/4/16)
Post by: Arvid on Thu, 07 January 2016, 01:40:28
Ran into a bit of bad luck today. The company I was recommended to make acrylic versions no longer have the sufficient equipment to cut the case, so now I'll have to look into more companies around the UK about getting a acrylic quote. The aluminium company has yet to get back to me with a quote but he is usually good with communication and should have the price drop points tomorrow. They won't be final but they will be similar.

I'm waiting on my previous modeller to send me the final version, which involves very minor tweaks to the design to make it stronger whilst looking nicer. Not sure when that'll get to me but hopefully tomorrow. Literally just sent the message and since he is quite active it shouldn't be too hard.

Apart from that, going to start pushing to a wider audience and get some more people on board. The question I'll leave today for people to answer will be this: would you like to see a PCB/plate available in this? Let me know how you feel about that so I can do the relevant research.

If the PCB supported different layouts then your traditional poker layout, I would be interested for sure.

Such as a non-standard bottom row and ISO support?
I would love to have a shorter space and more modifiers closer to the middle or something like Leekus split space.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - New update (1/4/16)
Post by: xondat on Thu, 07 January 2016, 05:25:04
So have an option like the Japanese boards possibly?
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - New update (1/4/16)
Post by: Arvid on Sat, 09 January 2016, 04:32:52
So have an option like the Japanese boards possibly?

Yes that would be great, but I have yet to see someone complete such a project since not many people seem to like it there has been a few interest checks before like the AUNK https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73527.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73527.0).
Something like this http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/b2dc66f5c62c7d1c40c3664e60d66b3a (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/b2dc66f5c62c7d1c40c3664e60d66b3a) is the layout I probably will handwire later this year if nothing close is on its way.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - Waiting for quotes (01/09/2016)
Post by: xondat on Sun, 10 January 2016, 19:36:39
Got the British quotes today - they're over $230 (for aluminum) which isn't ideal and it'll be a deal breaker for most people; this is for a very small quantity and will be numbered however. For now, we're going to do some research on outsourcing to Asia and see what sort of prices they can do. I can release the drop points and prices of plates and/or cases if requested by enough people but it ain't good.

In the meantime, I've been working on another design that can be managed around any size - the design is already suitable for 75% + CompactTKL sizes, with simple length changes. Development is still a long road but I know it'll be cheaper than this project.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 // Update in OP
Post by: xondat on Mon, 11 January 2016, 14:16:56
Updated OP, added prices and general update.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - Waiting for quotes (01/09/2016)
Post by: joey on Mon, 11 January 2016, 14:25:00
In the meantime, I've been working on another design that can be managed around any size - the design is already suitable for 75% + CompactTKL sizes, with simple length changes. Development is still a long road but I know it'll be cheaper than this project.
Why do you say it can be cheaper?
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 - Waiting for quotes (01/09/2016)
Post by: xondat on Mon, 11 January 2016, 15:10:39
In the meantime, I've been working on another design that can be managed around any size - the design is already suitable for 75% + CompactTKL sizes, with simple length changes. Development is still a long road but I know it'll be cheaper than this project.
Why do you say it can be cheaper?

Smaller, simpler design. I'm still running this project until I find it unrealistic to do though.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 // Update in OP
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 11 January 2016, 16:19:15
Shame about how expensive the cost is to get it made in the UK is but fantastic progress nonetheless
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 // Update in OP
Post by: joey on Mon, 11 January 2016, 16:21:24
Shame about how expensive the cost is to get it made in the UK is but fantastic progress nonetheless
Just like the Mira, it's too expensive to make domestically.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 // Update in OP
Post by: xondat on Mon, 11 January 2016, 18:29:21
Far too expensive - I'm trying to get into contact with a few GHers that have had cases made from Asia, if anyone can help that'd be great.

Here's a small teaser for my next design:

(http://i.imgur.com/xF6NJTv.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/NUVp2p9.png)
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 // Update in OP
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Mon, 11 January 2016, 21:52:03
Far too expensive - I'm trying to get into contact with a few GHers that have had cases made from Asia, if anyone can help that'd be great.

Here's a small teaser for my next design:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/xF6NJTv.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NUVp2p9.png)


I really like the looks of that design.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 // Update in OP
Post by: xondat on Tue, 12 January 2016, 19:40:45
So tomorrow I should have Norwegian quotes from a friend; I feel like if they turn out too expensive too then this might be the end, simply due to the cost.

Response wise, I had 41 responses - 33 people chose aluminium, 8 for clear acrylic and 17 for frosted acrylic, this meant that aluminium is the only real option. Stock was the most popular color, with 22 votes, with black and purple slightly behind with 17 and 14 respectively. The other options were under 8 and not worth considering.

However, I won't give up on design work so my next project would be the case teased above. It still has to be designed in the appropriate CAD files so that's a short time away. Still have to figure out how to connect all the parts...
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 // New Update About The Future
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 13 January 2016, 11:55:40
MiTo and myself are discussing selling this as a kit, so with a plate and a PCB. Are people interested in this option?

I think this is a interesting option but the price for aluminum vs cheap plastic will still make people if given the option to choose during a GB a hard sell since people will see the huge swing in price (say $125USD as opposed to the included "base case") and balk at the jump.  The market is getting saturated with aluminum, cheap plastic, and acrylic cases as it is and most of those are available today from the various mech dealers. 

I am however really loving the data pad option.  Mostly for two reasons, it makes sense to me when I buy into a keyset that I add the numpad kit.  Second, I do data entry a lot and even though I use a separate numpad from Topre, I would really prefer to punch the numbers on my TKL.

I love the detail you put into this buy.  Might want to hop over to DT and let them know about it as a percentage of the users over there are EU market.  This IC still has the potential to become a GB so don't drop it yet!
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 // New Update About The Future
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 13 January 2016, 12:38:27
MiTo and myself are discussing selling this as a kit, so with a plate and a PCB. Are people interested in this option?

I think this is a interesting option but the price for aluminum vs cheap plastic will still make people if given the option to choose during a GB a hard sell since people will see the huge swing in price (say $125USD as opposed to the included "base case") and balk at the jump.  The market is getting saturated with aluminum, cheap plastic, and acrylic cases as it is and most of those are available today from the various mech dealers. 

I am however really loving the data pad option.  Mostly for two reasons, it makes sense to me when I buy into a keyset that I add the numpad kit.  Second, I do data entry a lot and even though I use a separate numpad from Topre, I would really prefer to punch the numbers on my TKL.

I love the detail you put into this buy.  Might want to hop over to DT and let them know about it as a percentage of the users over there are EU market.  This IC still has the potential to become a GB so don't drop it yet!

The 60% market has definitely been getting flooded lately, however it seems like all the cases readily available are generally of the same look. It's pretty hard to get a FMJ or Hammer case so hopefully this will be another one to compare to.

As for spreading this over to DT, I honestly don't think that is a good option. DT generally is about fixing up old boards, creating new stuff, etc. Last time I shared a GB over there I nearly got my head bit off and was branded as being apart of a "omnipresent cult of death". I found it quite funny but GBs generally are not their cup of tea.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 // Update in OP
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 13 January 2016, 13:12:14
Far too expensive - I'm trying to get into contact with a few GHers that have had cases made from Asia, if anyone can help that'd be great.

Here's a small teaser for my next design:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/xF6NJTv.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NUVp2p9.png)


(http://cdn.gifbay.com/2013/09/i_love_it_from_tomskas_coming_out-85631.gif)

Title: Re: [IC] XT60 // Update in OP
Post by: amharris on Wed, 13 January 2016, 13:40:20
Far too expensive - I'm trying to get into contact with a few GHers that have had cases made from Asia, if anyone can help that'd be great.

Here's a small teaser for my next design:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/xF6NJTv.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NUVp2p9.png)


I presume without skimping on the quality?

Additionally, is there any news to be had on the frosted acrylic version in terms of price, even though it seems unlikely?
It'd be nice to open up the CAD design so that those who are keen enough to get one made can still do so of their own accord. (Opening it up post-GB would be more than understandable).

Cheers.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 // New Update About The Future
Post by: xondat on Wed, 13 January 2016, 18:27:43
MiTo and myself are discussing selling this as a kit, so with a plate and a PCB. Are people interested in this option?

I think this is a interesting option but the price for aluminum vs cheap plastic will still make people if given the option to choose during a GB a hard sell since people will see the huge swing in price (say $125USD as opposed to the included "base case") and balk at the jump.  The market is getting saturated with aluminum, cheap plastic, and acrylic cases as it is and most of those are available today from the various mech dealers. 

I am however really loving the data pad option.  Mostly for two reasons, it makes sense to me when I buy into a keyset that I add the numpad kit.  Second, I do data entry a lot and even though I use a separate numpad from Topre, I would really prefer to punch the numbers on my TKL.

I love the detail you put into this buy.  Might want to hop over to DT and let them know about it as a percentage of the users over there are EU market.  This IC still has the potential to become a GB so don't drop it yet!

First of all, I'd feel rude making an account on DT just to promote something, regardless of if they like it.

I think 60% is saturated too, especially with aluminum which makes this unrealistic without a major selling point at this current time. The cost cannot be justified for 99% of people.

I like the left handed number pad too, as my last RD keyboard had one on the left. I might see where this project goes and then afterwards find out which layout is the best, as I have 3 different designs in collab with Steezus.


Far too expensive - I'm trying to get into contact with a few GHers that have had cases made from Asia, if anyone can help that'd be great.

Here's a small teaser for my next design:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/xF6NJTv.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NUVp2p9.png)


Show Image
(http://cdn.gifbay.com/2013/09/i_love_it_from_tomskas_coming_out-85631.gif)




10/10 gif. We still need to figure out how to join it all :confused:


Far too expensive - I'm trying to get into contact with a few GHers that have had cases made from Asia, if anyone can help that'd be great.

Here's a small teaser for my next design:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/xF6NJTv.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NUVp2p9.png)


I presume without skimping on the quality?

Additionally, is there any news to be had on the frosted acrylic version in terms of price, even though it seems unlikely?
It'd be nice to open up the CAD design so that those who are keen enough to get one made can still do so of their own accord. (Opening it up post-GB would be more than understandable).

Cheers.

I doubt the quality difference would be noticeable. I can research prices for acrylic but it'll be too expensive than I'd like to have it as not many would be made IMO. Opening up the CAD design would mean that I'm out of control of the case amount and the individual prices will be extremely high.
Title: Re: [IC] XT60 // New Update About The Future
Post by: amharris on Wed, 13 January 2016, 18:38:02
Far too expensive - I'm trying to get into contact with a few GHers that have had cases made from Asia, if anyone can help that'd be great.

Here's a small teaser for my next design:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/xF6NJTv.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NUVp2p9.png)


I presume without skimping on the quality?

Additionally, is there any news to be had on the frosted acrylic version in terms of price, even though it seems unlikely?
It'd be nice to open up the CAD design so that those who are keen enough to get one made can still do so of their own accord. (Opening it up post-GB would be more than understandable).

Cheers.

I doubt the quality difference would be noticeable. I can research prices for acrylic but it'll be too expensive than I'd like to have it as not many would be made IMO. Opening up the CAD design would mean that I'm out of control of the case amount and the individual prices will be extremely high.

True ...but it gives people the freedom to make that choice and that's all I'm trying to get across and communicate as best I can. ;)
Additionally, someone else may strike some luck with getting it going. I'm just trying to keep an open mind.
It's practically perfect for me, as you know, so passing on the baton if one struggles to have success with it is often the most ethical thing to do. :)
Title: Re: [IC] XT60
Post by: xondat on Sun, 24 January 2016, 19:00:11
Giving up on this; too expensive. Asian ventures never followed up with me.

I still sketch cases most days but don't know if I'll actually try and do anything for real, at least for now. Want to make a custom case for my WASD V2, or a TKL but need to make them decently priced whilst having a nice design for me to look at.

If anyone needs any technical specification based on 60% cases then feel free to PM me, as I've built a bank of information over the past couple of months.