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Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sat, 21 November 2009, 10:09:56

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5851&stc=1&d=1258819766)

Seems this chinese guy who sells the KBC keycaps now also offers a Costar (Filco FKB104?) board (http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-8ca9cdaafcf7812b74b1242c7b07f3b9.htm)!

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 21 November 2009, 12:20:25

Clone would imply that someone made an effort to copy something. That thing probably comes off the same production line as the Filcos. Whether it has a good controller or not in another question.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: Ulysses31 on Sat, 21 November 2009, 12:33:06

"Ducky"?  That's a bit of a fruity name.  Might as well be made out of pink plastic.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: sixty on Sat, 21 November 2009, 12:48:30

Seems like Costar indeed. There is also a 108 key version which might be strongman. Bottom of both boards does not look Costar typical, maybe both are produced by Strongman.

(http://qq.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/c/4/kbc/attachments/month_0911/09111015559cf4fc46d84729fb.jpg)
(http://qq.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/c/4/kbc/attachments/month_0911/0911101555dd0668545db342a5.jpg)
(http://qq.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/c/4/kbc/attachments/month_0911/09111016239d6f13b3d674b453.jpg[/IMG
[IMG]http://qq.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/c/4/kbc/attachments/month_0911/09111018248ad6ea10698169c4.jpg)
lasered?

(http://qq.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/c/4/kbc/attachments/month_0911/091110202555a25722983af0d1.jpg)
Cherry style stabilizers.. thats new. Very interesting.

(http://qq.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/c/4/kbc/attachments/month_0911/09111019269d4a7a511591a254.jpg)
no FCC id.

(http://qq.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/c/4/kbc/attachments/month_0911/09111020367b0df891259de0ca.jpg)
PCB Color and shape of the controller suggests Costar

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: sixty on Sat, 21 November 2009, 13:16:58

Also available:

Italian Red and.... ducky yellow?
(http://qq.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/c/4/kbc/attachments/month_0911/09111412002ae575600f0b84c2.jpg)

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 21 November 2009, 13:34:39

I prefer programmable macro keys to those multimedia keys. Some day, those multimedia keys will have gone the same way of the Turbo button--becoming obsolete and dated.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: PRISONER 24601 on Sat, 21 November 2009, 13:59:45

Quote from: ripster;134991

They could have attempted something iRocks like Duck-e.

I like ducky. duck-e would just be obligatory and boring, like something you would expect a chinese ripoff concern to name their product.

If I were to order my own line of CST-104 boards, they would have one of those names that says "high quality american made product", where it's either a word which means "something regular" or just the last name of a person.

Something along the lines of SYNDICATED, WHITMAN, STANDARD, ANDERSON, or WESTERN. Most of those are probably already taken, but you get the gist of it.

I would buy a WHITMAN keyboard. You know you can trust Whitman.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: D-EJ915 on Sat, 21 November 2009, 13:59:53

that yellow one looks pretty nice, always have liked when keys go all the way cross the top like on suns

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 21 November 2009, 14:05:09

I've already got plenty of yellow keyboards.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: wordfool on Sat, 21 November 2009, 14:18:22

maybe they're using the dodgy, discarded Das controllers

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sat, 21 November 2009, 14:42:27

Quote from: ripster;134942

Those KBC keys (http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-47862504a5e0779b744711b8fee3303b.htm?cm_cat=0) are nice.  Thick as hell.  Anybody know what kinda plastic?  Looks definitely Pad Printed to me.

Show Image

(http://p0.images22.51img1.com/6000/suerb/03b6a5a43aac6844bc19d54018e2ae94.jpg)

It's PBT! So what Cherry uses for thier caps, right?

Quote from: ripster;134950

Do they sell overseas (I actually just want the keys)?

I ordered a dozen sets via this service... (http://www.yoybuy.com)

Gonna post some pics/impressions as soon they arrive! ;)

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: PRISONER 24601 on Sat, 21 November 2009, 14:54:50

Quote from: ripster;135016

I'm gonna name my keyboard "Wilford":

Show Image

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_66iK3oDC-18/R5j7sqOmpRI/AAAAAAAAASI/GiiyzRmi65w/s320/diabeetus.jpg)

"Crestfield-Neiman Keyboards. Because quality matters."

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: wordfool on Sat, 21 November 2009, 15:02:58

Quote from: ripster;135017

That would be like putting lead in children's toys.  Never happen

Hmmm...maybe that nice thick lettering paint has lead in it that'll slowly poison your fingers so they forget how to type.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: wordfool on Sat, 21 November 2009, 15:05:11

Quote from: TheSoulhunter;135026

I ordered a dozen sets via this service... (http://www.yoybuy.com)

Gonna post some pics/impressions as soon they arrive! ;)

Have you used yoyobuy... sorry, I mean yoybuy, before? The site scared the hell out of me.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: PRISONER 24601 on Sat, 21 November 2009, 15:25:10

Shipping from Asia would be ridiculous, though.

I would produce my keyboards in Honduras, maybe Ecuador.

I could pay my workers in scrib, and set up a puppet government that allows me to operate tax free.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sat, 21 November 2009, 15:43:57

Quote from: wordfool;135031

Have you used yoyobuy... sorry, I mean yoybuy, before? The site scared the hell out of me.

No, and that is the only thing that stopped me from ordering ten dozen sets...

As they cost just 75 (or 130 RMB) per set one could make some win selling em in Euroland, heh?

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: wordfool on Sat, 21 November 2009, 16:27:20

Quote from: PRISONER 24601;135034

I would produce my keyboards in Honduras, maybe Ecuador.

I hear Hugo is looking for entrepreneurs

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: PRISONER 24601 on Sat, 21 November 2009, 17:14:19

Quote from: wordfool;135043

I hear Hugo is looking for entrepreneurs

I sort of understand what you're saying, but I stopped watching LOST in the middle of season three.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: lmnop on Sat, 21 November 2009, 17:25:05

Lost is a great show.

(http://i48.tinypic.com/9rjc46.jpg)

Christine and Jalad at Tanagra.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 21 November 2009, 17:56:43

Lost in Space?

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: didjamatic on Sat, 21 November 2009, 18:04:25

No, LOST in Time and Space...  4 8 15 16 23 42

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 21 November 2009, 18:07:52

Guess that show was too old for you...

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: Ulysses31 on Sat, 21 November 2009, 19:03:26

Quote from: lmnop;135051

Lost is a great show.

Show Image

(http://i48.tinypic.com/9rjc46.jpg)

Christine and Jalad at Tanagra.

"When the walls fell."

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: Shawn Stanford on Sat, 21 November 2009, 19:11:13

Quote from: lmnop;135051

Lost is a great show.

Show Image

(http://i48.tinypic.com/9rjc46.jpg)

Christine and Jalad at Tanagra.

Grats, Dude! That was a wicked obscure referece! Pisser! :lol:

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: lmnop on Sat, 21 November 2009, 21:15:19

believe it or not under all that makeup is Paul Winfield who was also in The Wrath of Khan.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/b8lmaw.jpg)

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: quadibloc on Sun, 22 November 2009, 02:31:29

Since kbc-china.com is an invalid hostname, I tried Google.

Couldn't find anything about Ducky keyboards, but I found this interesting article:

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-cranky50.html

If only IBM had known about Baby Duck Syndrome, the PC could have gone straight to the 101-key Extended keyboard, or something like it, but with only 83 keys, to keep costs reasonable.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: quadibloc on Sun, 22 November 2009, 02:34:50

Quote from: didjamatic;135064

No, LOST in Time and Space...

The one where the Doctor was playing first base (the shortstop, presumably, was a Dalek)? :)

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: lmnop on Sun, 22 November 2009, 07:40:28

(http://i49.tinypic.com/333lvv8.jpg)

canadian pride :)

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: ak_nala on Mon, 23 November 2009, 03:52:30

Quote from: PRISONER 24601;135001

If I were to order my own line of CST-104 boards, they would have one of those names that says "high quality american made product", where it's either a word which means "something regular" or just the last name of a person.

Something along the lines of SYNDICATED, WHITMAN, STANDARD, ANDERSON, or WESTERN.

- CLARK-NOVA -

They would be good for writing reports.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Mon, 23 November 2009, 08:40:12

try bbs.kbc-china.com or http://www.kbc-china.com
ducky keycaps are made of abs

KBC keycaps are PBT

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Mon, 23 November 2009, 21:23:20

Quote

Imsto - do you know what Filco keys are made of? PVC?
And what about Topres? PBT?
And finally IBM? ABS?

filco abs ink printing and coat(in english? )
topres pbt dye
ibm pbt dye

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: PRISONER 24601 on Mon, 23 November 2009, 21:46:14

Some of these boards look really, really nice.

Has anyone figured out if they ship to the US, or what they're charging?

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Mon, 23 November 2009, 22:14:22

Quote from: ripster;135760

Thanks for the information.  Can you tell me how you found this out?  The key lettering we figured out with some simple tests (we agree with all your findings) but plastics is hard.

u r wlcome:welcome:  
just by touching watching feeling. and magnifying glass
abs pbt pom are quite different plastic.
abs is easy to get sticky, it's not that wearable.
pbt pom are better. there is a kind of ZR keycaps,
zr are used for medical things, hard self-lubricate and healthy, one guy in China has made some keycaps by zr， it would be much more expensive than pbt or pom.
(http://gg.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/a/d/jjws/attachments/month_0905/0905291344529d206e9ecf14e5.jpg)

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Mon, 23 November 2009, 22:25:11

Quote from: ripster;135760

Thanks for the information.  Can you tell me how you found this out?  The key lettering we figured out with some simple tests (we agree with all your findings) but plastics is hard.

:welcome:
just by touching feeling and magnifying glass.
abs's easy to get sticky, pom and pbt are better.

pbt 's hard but brickle,  pom's slippery
one guy here in China's made some keycaps of ZR
seems very hard, self-lubricate and healthy(manmade bones minght be made of ZR)  
i've got 4 zr keycaps, it's realy hard.

(http://gg.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/a/d/jjws/attachments/month_0905/0905291344fed47c0dee511060.jpg)
(http://gg.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/a/d/jjws/attachments/month_0905/0905291344529d206e9ecf14e5.jpg)

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Mon, 23 November 2009, 22:26:01

twice again...........

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: savage on Mon, 23 November 2009, 22:28:37

Do you ship to US or Canada? What is the product price and shipping cost?

Thanks

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Mon, 23 November 2009, 22:39:53

Quote from: savage;135774

Do you ship to US or Canada? What is the product price and shipping cost?

Thanks

ducky?  
104blue：580
104black：630
104brown：630
108blue：650
108black：680
108brown：680     all RMB  
i do not know the exact shipping cost, i will check it.
maybe DHL or ...

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: bbranigin on Mon, 23 November 2009, 23:24:54

what currency are those numbers in? yuan?

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: PRISONER 24601 on Tue, 24 November 2009, 00:51:15

Quote from: imsto;135782

ducky?  
104blue：580
104black：630
104brown：630
108blue：650
108black：680
108brown：680     all RMB  
i do not know the exact shipping cost, i will check it.
maybe DHL or ...

that's like $100 + something like $50 shipping maybe? more? I don't know, I've never imported anything from China before.

not bad for one of those 108 key brown cherry boards. those look pretty slick. Pricey for a cst104 but if they're half as nice as they look... I'd pick one up in a second.

You fellas should find a US distributor or something.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Tue, 24 November 2009, 01:05:47

yeah     maybe we should find one....
3kg pkg to USA  about 600rmb  almost the same as the kbd.....by fedex

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: ch_123 on Tue, 24 November 2009, 10:09:35

Are the keycaps sold seperately?

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Tue, 24 November 2009, 19:43:36

Quote

Are the keycaps sold seperately?

37 keycaps  for 75RMB now,  but  white, black ,and the ones on that plum(how to express this collor? like a little green and a little black and a little blue.....GBB?lol) for 130RMB.

btw    buy any ducky will get a 37 GBB keycaps set for free

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: PRISONER 24601 on Wed, 25 November 2009, 10:10:39

I'll be seeing a nice 3rd party review before I pick one up personally, but ya know that's just me.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: joneslee85 on Wed, 25 November 2009, 10:32:19

Quote from: imsto;135782

ducky?  
104blue：580
104black：630
104brown：630
108blue：650
108black：680
108brown：680     all RMB  
i do not know the exact shipping cost, i will check it.
maybe DHL or ...

I have ordered for myself a 104black + bunch of keycaps. It would be processed by imsto first and get to me in next 20 days. I will post the review upon receiving it.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Wed, 25 November 2009, 10:33:22

Quote from: PRISONER 24601;136203

I'll be seeing a nice 3rd party review before I pick one up personally, but ya know that's just me.

There is nothing wrong with waiting for a review before buying. I tried to look for reviews whenever I can. Of course, there are times when reviews are non-existent or not conclusive and we have to decide what to do.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Wed, 25 November 2009, 10:51:12

Quote from: patrickgeekhack;136207

There is nothing wrong with waiting for a review before buying. I tried to look for reviews whenever I can. Of course, there are times when reviews are non-existent or not conclusive and we have to decide what to do.

u r right.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Wed, 25 November 2009, 10:53:14

pics from one guy, he can take good photos
(http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0911/0911241221d942c882ba76d571.jpg)
(http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0911/0911241222ce1cda6729d5e47a.jpg)
(http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0911/091124122163198159cb3c74b1.jpg)
(http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0911/0911241221c9a14a0295b6e1e1.jpg)
(http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0911/091124122231187e61bf0a5a77.jpg)
(http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0911/0911241222d8b6a80ccdd18eb2.jpg)
(http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0911/0911241222284ce10b6cf18ed9.jpg)
(http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0911/091124122218ae5c46f3aa45b8.jpg)
(http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0911/091124122341da1604364cd929.jpg)
(http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0911/091124122265265a2a20c6acec.jpg)
(http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0911/0911241223867f32ecad840174.jpg)
(http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/month_0911/091124122171796b494ea811d8.jpg)

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: quadibloc on Wed, 25 November 2009, 11:14:21

I recognized the abbreviations ABS, PBT, and POM as being for types of plastic - POM I had only learned about recently from here. ZR was not familiar, since I presumed it wasn't being used to refer to the metal Zirconium.

It took some doing to Google it up, but apparently it refers to Zaitform Resins.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Wed, 25 November 2009, 11:18:54

Quote from: ripster;136214

Feet + Controller = Costar.  I'm sure of it now.

comfused....

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Wed, 25 November 2009, 11:34:17

even abs keycaps are different such as the percents of graphite

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Wed, 25 November 2009, 18:05:01

it's realy hard to explain how to feel the keycaps....
maybe our feeling is wrong.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: joneslee85 on Thu, 26 November 2009, 10:08:46

I was placing order with imsto to get for myself a Ducky104 for review purpose. But then the order did not fall through, in fact imsto abandoned the order with simply a PM said: "I do not care about the order; I got my job and many friends here in China would love to know more about this kbds and keycaps..." It's seems to me the keyboard will not be popular outside china. Ducky could be a good keyboard but its service sux, the website doesn't work correctly, poor customer service. I am out, very upset and probably NEVER get a China-made keyboard again.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Thu, 26 November 2009, 11:20:26

Quote from: joneslee85;136483

I was placing order with imsto to get for myself a Ducky104 for review purpose. But then the order did not fall through, in fact imsto abandoned the order with simply a PM said: "I do not care about the order; I got my job and many friends here in China would love to know more about this kbds and keycaps..." It's seems to me the keyboard will not be popular outside china. Ducky could be a good keyboard but its service sux, the website doesn't work correctly, poor customer service. I am out, very upset and probably NEVER get a China-made keyboard again.

i've thought about you were asking me about how many people've make the order, it's so ... just becase of the misconstrue，now everything's ok
maybe joneslee85 might be the reseller in AUS, then the shipping cost might reduce a lot i think.
so i will check every word i said if i was expressing my opinion correctly.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Thu, 26 November 2009, 11:57:03

Written communication can sometimes cause some misunderstandings. Words by themselves have no meaning, it's us who give meaning them. Because of this, sometimes different people attach different meanings to the same word.

I should stop taking psychology classes :-)

Seriously though, I prefer to have face to face conversation or phone conversation whenever I can because the receiver of the message gets cues than just text.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: joneslee85 on Thu, 26 November 2009, 16:09:52

Quote from: imsto;136499

i've thought about you were asking me about how many people've make the order, it's so ... just becase of the misconstrue，now everything's ok
maybe joneslee85 might be the reseller in AUS, then the shipping cost might reduce a lot i think.
so i will check every word i said if i was expressing my opinion correctly.

Miscomm. My apology. I just don't understand how KBC work. Is it a company or just a community group?

And guys, if the deal is thru, you guys can order from me any keycaps, Ducky u like. It will be shipped worldwide and no payment hassle.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 26 November 2009, 16:44:12

Gah...
The KBC caps I ordered are stuck in the German customs, so it will take some more days until I get them! :/

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Thu, 26 November 2009, 18:19:21

We have never sell keycaps to abroad,some customer just buy a lot keycaps and take them out of China. Maybe this is why it could be find in German.and it may works.
KBC's working like a group, 7 guys like me. we have our job, and is doing all this stuff with parttime, it realy take a lot time. have  meettings with some kind of internet voice communication. we are think of how it works better, none of us has ever doing things like found a new brand, there's a lot of mistakes, we will try to change it.
i must make the announcement that when i registered here i am not a part of KBC, i'm here to share the things what we are doning. If i can help you, i will try.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 26 November 2009, 18:25:33

Nah, I got them trough YOBYUY from taobao, not from you directly...

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Thu, 26 November 2009, 18:33:24

I don't know this YOBYUY. but it allso works.
hope you to have the keycaps sonn, and hope you will like it. :D

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: J888www on Thu, 26 November 2009, 19:29:41

Quote from: imsto;136609

We have never sell keycaps to abroad,some customer just buy a lot keycaps and take them out of China. Maybe this is why it could be find in German.and it may works.
KBC's working like a group, 7 guys like me. we have our job, and is doing all this stuff with parttime, it realy take a lot time. have  meettings with some kind of internet voice communication. we are think of how it works better, none of us has ever doing things like found a new brand, there's a lot of mistakes, we will try to change it.
i must make the announcement that when i registered here i am not a part of KBC, i'm here to share the things what we are doning. If i can help you, i will try.

TYVM for trying to help, considering the amount of Shipping, your help will be extremely profitable for you.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Thu, 26 November 2009, 19:44:51

I never have international shipping.
thx for joneslee85, he's told me the website http://www.sendfromchina.com
the shipping cost is much more cheap.
i said the shipping cost's about 600, because i checked on DHL http://www.cn.dhl.com/publish/cn/zh.high.html here, 3kg about 600rmb.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: imsto on Fri, 27 November 2009, 06:34:41

i know what is yoybuy now, it's seems to provide the service to buy things from some website of China such as taobao.    it's realy a great idea.

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 30 November 2009, 13:19:08

Quote from: TheSoulhunter;135026

...
Gonna post some pics/impressions as soon they arrive! ;)

Finally they arrived! (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:7940&p=137485&postid=137485#post137485)

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 30 November 2009, 17:22:38

Is that your computer desk?

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 30 November 2009, 17:40:26

Yep!

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: joneslee85 on Mon, 30 November 2009, 17:55:30

Quote from: TheSoulhunter;137591

Yep!

MANIAC! Do you happen to order Ducky 104 as well? I saw 4 keyboards there..

Title: DUCKY104 - New Filco Clone?
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 02 December 2009, 19:14:45

Quote from: TheSoulhunter;137591

Yep!

I wish I could afford that type of equipment...oh well. What I've got can browse ebay and post on the geekhack forum.