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Title: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: Raiden on Tue, 05 January 2016, 14:23:28: Hi
Need experts help picking one with these specs if is possible to get in a mech keyboard:

1 Really LOWER profile keycaps:
(http://img.article.pchome.net/00/55/65/45/_MG_9234.JPG)

2 Really QUIET switches not sure whats the difference between MX Red vs MX Clears vs MX Silent or other ones(steelseries,razer,logitech switches) in the market, picking the quiet ones, really dont like MX blue,etc loud sounds from the vids in youtube.

3 Full NKRO over USB.

4 Fast responsive like 500-1000Hz polling rate support.

Macros support or extra keys for media would be sweet but not important, careless about leds too.

Price range up to $200

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: Olumin on Tue, 05 January 2016, 15:18:39: I'm pretty sure that the Keyboard that you are looking for does not exist, if you want a mechanical keyboard with low profile Key-caps and switches which are relatively silent, the Cherry ML Switches would be your best bet.

They aren't many options out there, not many keyboards come with Cherry ML switches, the cherry G84-4100 is actually the only one it know about, but this keyboard does not full fill any of your other requirements. I think you need to make come compromises there. In your case, it looks like a membrane/rubber-dome keyboard instead of a mechanical one would suit you best.
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: Olumin on Tue, 05 January 2016, 15:26:14: Actually, there is the "Art Lebedev Optimus Maximus" Keyboard which comes with cherry ML switches, but this board is WELL out of your price range.
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: x9Memoriez on Tue, 05 January 2016, 15:37:15: Well, those options are pretty much impossible, but you can add a combination of things to make something similar. Might go a little over your budget tho. 250 Max.

G20 Profile keycaps. Far shorter than oem or cherry profiles, as well as having a huge surface area, similar to laptop chiclet keyboards.

O Ringed Gateron Clear/Black, or O Ringed Cherry Red/Black/Linear Grey, depending on what type of weighting you enjoy.

When it comes to the board, Varmilo makes a large number of quality keyboards with Gateron switches, or if you want your switches to be cherry, Filco, Ducky, Vortex, CM, KBT, or KUL to name a few reputable brands.

Hope you find what you're looking for :3
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: Raiden on Tue, 05 January 2016, 18:42:45: what about this one: https://steelseries.com/gaming-keyboards/apex-m800 (https://steelseries.com/gaming-keyboards/apex-m800)
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: SamirD on Wed, 06 January 2016, 08:01:22: I think you might be able to achieve this by finding a board that meets all the requirements except the keycaps and then get some off a Cherry ML switch board. ML switched based boards can be found on sale every so often too so that would make it pretty cost effective.
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: MeltingTeeth on Wed, 06 January 2016, 08:54:10: Quote from: Raiden on Tue, 05 January 2016, 14:23:28
Hi
Need experts help picking one with these specs if is possible to get in a mech keyboard:

1 Really LOWER profile keycaps:
Show Image
(http://img.article.pchome.net/00/55/65/45/_MG_9234.JPG)

2 Really QUIET switches not sure whats the difference between MX Red vs MX Clears vs MX Silent or other ones(steelseries,razer,logitech switches) in the market, picking the quiet ones, really dont like MX blue,etc loud sounds from the vids in youtube.

3 Full NKRO over USB.

4 Fast responsive like 500-1000Hz polling rate support.

Macros support or extra keys for media would be sweet but not important, careless about leds too.

Price range up to $200

Thanks in advance

Those are Cherry MX 3.0 keys.
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: bocahgundul on Wed, 06 January 2016, 08:57:52: Cherry mx board 6.0
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 06 January 2016, 13:27:22: Quote from: MeltingTeeth on Wed, 06 January 2016, 08:54:10
Those are Cherry MX 3.0 keys.
Yep, the Cherry G80-3850 "MX-Board 3.0" (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_G80-3850) might suit the OP's requirements for the key size part, anyway.

It is listed as 14KRO, but I would guess that it is actually 6KRO, limited by how the keys are sent over USB. There is a diode in each key, so there is N-key rollover before the keys are sent over USB.
I also don't know about polling - Cherry does not disclose it.

I think it is "standard" in loudness. I think you could install O-rings to get it less loud on the way down. Only the "MX silent", "Matias Quiet" and some Topre are silenced on the way up.
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: Roibhilin on Wed, 06 January 2016, 18:11:23: Quote from: Findecanor on Wed, 06 January 2016, 13:27:22
Quote from: MeltingTeeth on Wed, 06 January 2016, 08:54:10
Those are Cherry MX 3.0 keys.
Yep, the Cherry G80-3850 "MX-Board 3.0" (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_G80-3850) might suit the OP's requirements for the key size part, anyway.

It is listed as 14KRO, but I would guess that it is actually 6KRO, limited by how the keys are sent over USB. There is a diode in each key, so there is N-key rollover before the keys are sent over USB.
I also don't know about polling - Cherry does not disclose it.

I think it is "standard" in loudness. I think you could install O-rings to get it less loud on the way down. Only the "MX silent", "Matias Quiet" and some Topre are silenced on the way up.
also if OP is up for it they can switch swap the MX board
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: Geroximo on Thu, 07 January 2016, 09:42:44: Did you already consider Scissor-switches?
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: SamirD on Fri, 08 January 2016, 05:32:34: Quote from: Geroximo on Thu, 07 January 2016, 09:42:44
Did you already consider Scissor-switches?
But would that really be mechanical?
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: FLFisherman on Fri, 08 January 2016, 07:31:43: Quote from: SamirD on Fri, 08 January 2016, 05:32:34
Quote from: Geroximo on Thu, 07 January 2016, 09:42:44
Did you already consider Scissor-switches?
But would that really be mechanical?

I mean if he's looking for something in particular and a mechanical keyboard doesn't match his criteria, why would we push that on him?
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: sth on Fri, 08 January 2016, 07:33:03: Quote from: SamirD on Wed, 06 January 2016, 08:01:22
I think you might be able to achieve this by finding a board that meets all the requirements except the keycaps and then get some off a Cherry ML switch board. ML switched based boards can be found on sale every so often too so that would make it pretty cost effective.

ML caps are not MX compatible :(
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 09 January 2016, 05:33:23: Quote from: FLFisherman on Fri, 08 January 2016, 07:31:43
Quote from: SamirD on Fri, 08 January 2016, 05:32:34
Quote from: Geroximo on Thu, 07 January 2016, 09:42:44
Did you already consider Scissor-switches?
But would that really be mechanical?

I mean if he's looking for something in particular and a mechanical keyboard doesn't match his criteria, why would we push that on him?

It would fit two out of three of his mandatory requirements.
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sat, 09 January 2016, 09:12:09: I too would recommend scissor switch in this case.

A good scissor switch won't feel that bad compared to a good mech, would be a lot cheaper since there's no need to start sourcing replacement caps and orings (not that the G20 caps or orings are expensive... but still add time and money) and should be relatively available.

As for polling rates, I don't think it will make a difference. I assume it's for gaming? There are pros that still use razer gear and do well (momichi for example)

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64039.msg1498811#msg1498811
Title: Re: is possible to find this mechanical kb?
Post by: SamirD on Sat, 09 January 2016, 10:56:00: Quote from: sth on Fri, 08 January 2016, 07:33:03
ML caps are not MX compatible :(
Bummer. :( Thank you for the enlightenment!