Post by: jcoffin1981 on Sun, 07 February 2016, 02:54:50
The Gateron brown is lighter and smoother. I also replaced the keycaps with very expensive aftermarket PBT keycaps. I have to say there may be some quality control issues with the V60 Gateron boards. My originial was shipped the wrong model. The second was damaged and caused the spacebar to repeat almost every stroke. Turns out the frame was bent at the spacebar. This is my third one and I love it, but I still experience the spacebar chatter, though not as frequently.
The Poker 3 has Cherry Brown switches and I like it very much. It's stiffer compared to the GTR, but there is no chatter anywhere. However some of the keys ping, which drives me nuts. I'm also not a fan of the keycaps, but it's still much better than the standard Dell ABS. I'm just curious where other's opinions stand on this.
Post by: bocahgundul on Sun, 07 February 2016, 03:01:06
Gateron might feels lighter cause its smoother than the modern cherry that you got
Post by: jcoffin1981 on Sun, 07 February 2016, 22:45:17
One thing that absolutely drives me bonkers is the chatter or extra keystrokes, specifically on the space bar. I constantly have to go back and correct these mistakes. If anyone has any tips on how to combat this I'd be much oblidged. I did update the firmware to V107, which is the most recent. Somedays I think I like the Gateron V60 better, and others I like the poker 3 better. I can't decide, so I keep both.
Post by: gain on Sun, 07 February 2016, 23:20:54
Just need an equivalent to the MX White without me butchering god knows how many and we're good :thumb:
So far I'm not a fan of the new switch housing, maybe my stance will change after I see them in person,
Post by: romevi on Sun, 07 February 2016, 23:28:03
I've converted to Gateron for the most part
Just need an equivalent to the MX White without me butchering god knows how many and we're good :thumb:
Although I'm sure my stance will change after I see them in person, so far I'm not a fan of the new switch housing.
I'm confused by your last statement. Your stance will change once you see them in person? So you haven't used Gateron?
And you're not a fan of the new Gateron housing, the black and transparent?
Post by: gain on Sun, 07 February 2016, 23:52:45
I've converted to Gateron for the most part
Just need an equivalent to the MX White without me butchering god knows how many and we're good :thumb:
Although I'm sure my stance will change after I see them in person, so far I'm not a fan of the new switch housing.
I'm confused by your last statement. Your stance will change once you see them in person? So you haven't used Gateron?
And you're not a fan of the new Gateron housing, the black and transparent?
My bad, a little brain dead today!
Nah I have a misc pile of them already with the old housing, just not sure how to feel about the fully translucent housing they now have.
Maybe I just need to see them in person.
Post by: axtran on Mon, 08 February 2016, 07:01:06
My bad, a little brain dead today!
Nah I have a misc pile of them already with the old housing, just not sure how to feel about the fully translucent housing they now have.
Maybe I just need to see them in person.
To be fair, the new housing is a transparent top and what looks like (depending upon batch) a black or a white colored base. The transparent bases I've only seen from Zeal's switch orders. They're just as smooth, albeit manufactured quality I'd say higher than the stock, "frosty" Gateron switch.
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 08 February 2016, 17:41:38
Make room for the Grandaddy of them allShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/r9mwk1M.jpg)
Hey that isn't a Pro 2 >:D
This is cool tho
We can use gateron housing without making any feel difference right? I love those translucent housingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/UPQvC3A.jpg)
Post by: saxophone on Tue, 09 February 2016, 05:00:33
First impressions: Just pushing down the slider directly shows that it's criminally smooth :p.
I think that the difference doesn't like in only the plastic, but also in the construction of the housing: there's 2 outdent lines on the walls where the slider usually would be touching the housing, resulting in decreased contact surface and less friction from just that.
Anyways these things are amazing, I bought these to swap out the switches on my Zhuque swappable switch keyboard. If I had soldering equipment I'd definetly buy more and replace the switches on my other keyboards as well. Note the fact that there are no holes on the bottom of the casing for the SMD to glow through despite the switches being labeled RGB on taobao. Maybe you're supposed to cut out the hole by yourself? No idea.
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 09 February 2016, 09:02:18
First impressions: Just pushing down the slider directly shows that it's criminally smooth :p.
Topre-smooth?
Post by: chyros on Tue, 09 February 2016, 09:45:24
Post by: jacobolus on Tue, 09 February 2016, 10:08:10
But nothing can beats vintage worn cherry mxHalf this list (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Category:Linear_switches) is nicer than Cherry MX from the 80s [not really surprising... the older nicer switches cost a lot more to produce]. And there are plenty of linear switches that never made it to that list.
I agree that 80s MX switches are nicer than the current ones or most of the MX clones though.
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 09 February 2016, 10:13:30
But nothing can beats vintage worn cherry mxHalf this list (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Category:Linear_switches) is nicer than Cherry MX from the 80s. And there are plenty of linear switches that never made it to that list.
I agree that 80s MX switches are nicer than the current ones or most of the MX clones though.
I'd really love to try a Hall Effect board someday...
Post by: crickclackman on Tue, 09 February 2016, 10:53:18
Of course Gaterons are smooth, they drown them in lube xD .
More luuuubbbbeeee!
Post by: saxophone on Tue, 09 February 2016, 14:33:17
Of course Gaterons are smooth, they drown them in lube xD .No actually, I opened two of the switches to check. They're totally dry on the inside. There's no denying that the difference lies in the material that the slider is made out of.
Post by: Corsa1r on Tue, 09 February 2016, 15:11:34
Post by: bocahgundul on Tue, 09 February 2016, 17:45:06
B-b-b-but he said cherry vs gateron right?But nothing can beats vintage worn cherry mxHalf this list (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Category:Linear_switches) is nicer than Cherry MX from the 80s [not really surprising... the older nicer switches cost a lot more to produce]. And there are plenty of linear switches that never made it to that list.
I agree that 80s MX switches are nicer than the current ones or most of the MX clones though.
Well I'd love to try hall effect board tho is it possible to make a modern hall effect board?
Post by: Geroximo on Tue, 09 February 2016, 18:20:23
Post by: Corsa1r on Tue, 09 February 2016, 18:41:34
I'm waiting for my gateron black board to arrive ... SO excited how they compare to Cherry MX
Oooh, which board did you get? I've been looking around for a nice board with Gateron blacks.
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 09 February 2016, 19:24:23
I'm waiting for my gateron black board to arrive ... SO excited how they compare to Cherry MX
Oooh, which board did you get? I've been looking around for a nice board with Gateron blacks.
The Varmilo VA87MR (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/varmilo-va87mr) is on Massdrop right now for $110. From what I've heard it's a decent board for the money
edit: nvm, all the Gateron options seem to be out of stock
Post by: Corsa1r on Tue, 09 February 2016, 22:09:22
I'm waiting for my gateron black board to arrive ... SO excited how they compare to Cherry MX
Oooh, which board did you get? I've been looking around for a nice board with Gateron blacks.
The Varmilo VA87MR (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/varmilo-va87mr) is on Massdrop right now for $110. From what I've heard it's a decent board for the money
edit: nvm, all the Gateron options seem to be out of stock
I looked yesterday! And saw that they were all sold out. Are full Gateron-black boards hard to find put-together in general right now?
Post by: Bevo on Tue, 09 February 2016, 22:13:01
Post by: Corsa1r on Tue, 09 February 2016, 22:57:40
How do gateron blacks feel compared to vintage blacks? Pretty similar?
I want to know all of this.
Post by: bocahgundul on Tue, 09 February 2016, 23:51:20
How do gateron blacks feel compared to vintage blacks? Pretty similar?Wait till I get my hands on one bae
Post by: Bevo on Tue, 09 February 2016, 23:55:32
Hurry up!How do gateron blacks feel compared to vintage blacks? Pretty similar?Wait till I get my hands on one bae
Post by: bocahgundul on Tue, 09 February 2016, 23:56:43
You can wait baeHurry up!How do gateron blacks feel compared to vintage blacks? Pretty similar?Wait till I get my hands on one bae
I have some incoming! Just need a Vintage black
Post by: Bevo on Tue, 09 February 2016, 23:58:23
*waits patiently*You can wait right bae?Hurry up!How do gateron blacks feel compared to vintage blacks? Pretty similar?Wait till I get my hands on one bae
Post by: ideus on Wed, 10 February 2016, 11:33:13
Post by: romevi on Wed, 10 February 2016, 11:45:30
Anyone has had experience with green Gateron's?
Aren't they a little too new?
Aren't they a little too Raph?
Post by: ideus on Wed, 10 February 2016, 12:41:09
Anyone has had experience with green Gateron's?
Aren't they a little too new?
Aren't they a little too Raph?
That is precisely why I am asking.
Post by: xepherys on Wed, 10 February 2016, 13:55:36
Post by: falkentyne on Wed, 10 February 2016, 19:10:01
There is no question, the pressure to actuate the switch is definitely lighter. I think they both actuate at about 45g, but the cherry brown switch has to overcome the peak resistance, which is around 55g. With so little resistance to press the Gateron brown, I find that just resting my fingers on the home row I get accidental keystrokes, which I never get with Cherry.
One thing that absolutely drives me bonkers is the chatter or extra keystrokes, specifically on the space bar. I constantly have to go back and correct these mistakes. If anyone has any tips on how to combat this I'd be much oblidged. I did update the firmware to V107, which is the most recent. Somedays I think I like the Gateron V60 better, and others I like the poker 3 better. I can't decide, so I keep both.
You have to open the switch and bend a small metal contact a very small amount to fix the chatter. There was a detailed post on that, with pictures, awhile back but I don't have it. You can try to search for the post. I believe new runs of those switches fixed that issue.
Post by: bocahgundul on Wed, 10 February 2016, 19:12:16
Where can I find the new run ones? I want to buy gateron switch but I don't want to run into this issuesThere is no question, the pressure to actuate the switch is definitely lighter. I think they both actuate at about 45g, but the cherry brown switch has to overcome the peak resistance, which is around 55g. With so little resistance to press the Gateron brown, I find that just resting my fingers on the home row I get accidental keystrokes, which I never get with Cherry.
One thing that absolutely drives me bonkers is the chatter or extra keystrokes, specifically on the space bar. I constantly have to go back and correct these mistakes. If anyone has any tips on how to combat this I'd be much oblidged. I did update the firmware to V107, which is the most recent. Somedays I think I like the Gateron V60 better, and others I like the poker 3 better. I can't decide, so I keep both.
You have to open the switch and bend a small metal contact a very small amount to fix the chatter. There was a detailed post on that, with pictures, awhile back but I don't have it. You can try to search for the post. I believe new runs of those switches fixed that issue.
Post by: 1391406 on Wed, 10 February 2016, 19:21:59
Post by: falkentyne on Wed, 10 February 2016, 22:19:05
It's like trying to compare Topres to Alps or Alps to Beam springs.
Completely different kind of switch.
You have to actually buy a Topre (or find a switch tester for one, if one even exists).
Alps seem like they are more well known because many older keyboards used Alps or clicky alps, so they're considered a vintage type switch also. The old Apple 2/Apple 2C and IIGS and other keyboards I believe used them.
Post by: bocahgundul on Wed, 10 February 2016, 22:21:57
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 10 February 2016, 23:30:32
Post by: 1391406 on Wed, 10 February 2016, 23:56:36
@falkentyne I think what his trying to compare is the smoothness of gateron to topre
Correct.
Post by: 1391406 on Wed, 10 February 2016, 23:58:52
You can't compare Cherry MX switches to Topres (Gaterons are a clone of Cherry MX).
Sure you can. People do it often. Topre feels closest to either MX Red or Brown, in my opinion. MX Browns aren't as smooth as Topre though, and feel a bit scratchy by comparison to me. However, I was curious about the smoothness of Gateron switches vs. the smoothness of Topre switches.
Post by: bocahgundul on Thu, 11 February 2016, 00:41:00
Nope we can't compare the feel of topre to any other switches!You can't compare Cherry MX switches to Topres (Gaterons are a clone of Cherry MX).
Sure you can. People do it often. Topre feels closest to either MX Red or Brown, in my opinion. MX Browns aren't as smooth as Topre though, and feel a bit scratchy by comparison to me. However, I was curious about the smoothness of Gateron switches vs. the smoothness of Topre switches.
Its crazy when you think that tomatoes is the same as steak 😂
Post by: antCB on Thu, 11 February 2016, 06:22:36
the keycaps also seem to be a tighter fit with the Gaterons opposed to the MX Blacks. Some keycaps were extremely easy to take apart with the MX Blacks, now they sit tight on the switches.
Post by: tronbeaver on Thu, 11 February 2016, 08:31:29
Post by: bocahgundul on Thu, 11 February 2016, 08:39:23
They fixed the chatter issues tho
Post by: 1391406 on Thu, 11 February 2016, 09:02:16
Nope we can't compare the feel of topre to any other switches!You can't compare Cherry MX switches to Topres (Gaterons are a clone of Cherry MX).
Sure you can. People do it often. Topre feels closest to either MX Red or Brown, in my opinion. MX Browns aren't as smooth as Topre though, and feel a bit scratchy by comparison to me. However, I was curious about the smoothness of Gateron switches vs. the smoothness of Topre switches.
Too late, I already have.
I'm guessing no one who's reading this has used both Gateron's and Topre.
Post by: Vittra on Thu, 11 February 2016, 09:20:47
Nope we can't compare the feel of topre to any other switches!You can't compare Cherry MX switches to Topres (Gaterons are a clone of Cherry MX).
Sure you can. People do it often. Topre feels closest to either MX Red or Brown, in my opinion. MX Browns aren't as smooth as Topre though, and feel a bit scratchy by comparison to me. However, I was curious about the smoothness of Gateron switches vs. the smoothness of Topre switches.
Too late, I already have.
I'm guessing no one who's reading this has used both Gateron's and Topre.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78773.msg2048910#msg2048910
Zealios are modified Gaterons to give some frame of reference.
I have Gateron Yellows on order from MD, but I don't expect to use them for quite some time for a direct comparison.
Post by: iLLucionist on Thu, 11 February 2016, 09:24:31
Nope we can't compare the feel of topre to any other switches!You can't compare Cherry MX switches to Topres (Gaterons are a clone of Cherry MX).
Sure you can. People do it often. Topre feels closest to either MX Red or Brown, in my opinion. MX Browns aren't as smooth as Topre though, and feel a bit scratchy by comparison to me. However, I was curious about the smoothness of Gateron switches vs. the smoothness of Topre switches.
Its crazy when you think that tomatoes is the same as steak 😂
Is Topre tomatoes or steak? :P
Post by: reallifetim on Thu, 11 February 2016, 12:18:00
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70676.0
Post by: romevi on Thu, 11 February 2016, 12:57:01
Post by: iLLucionist on Thu, 11 February 2016, 14:14:36
Good read here on some Gateron Black vs Cherry Black, even some vintage comparisons.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70676.0
Nice, didn't knew about that.
Post by: OwlWatch on Thu, 11 February 2016, 16:22:42
Post by: ideus on Thu, 11 February 2016, 16:41:12
I personally prefer the Cherry switches, from what I have seen gateron switches always seem to get stuck when you first press them.
That is not true, you may instead use them yourself to report your own experience.
Post by: bocahgundul on Thu, 11 February 2016, 17:33:06
Steak of courseNope we can't compare the feel of topre to any other switches!You can't compare Cherry MX switches to Topres (Gaterons are a clone of Cherry MX).
Sure you can. People do it often. Topre feels closest to either MX Red or Brown, in my opinion. MX Browns aren't as smooth as Topre though, and feel a bit scratchy by comparison to me. However, I was curious about the smoothness of Gateron switches vs. the smoothness of Topre switches.
Its crazy when you think that tomatoes is the same as steak 😂
Is Topre tomatoes or steak?
Vintage Blacks are GOAT. Been itching to get back to my B.face with Vintage Blacks, but waiting for a keycap set before pounding on it again.Its that good?
Good read here on some Gateron Black vs Cherry Black, even some vintage comparisons.Absolutely cool thread!
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70676.0
I personally prefer the Cherry switches, from what I have seen gateron switches always seem to get stuck when you first press them.Wait wat? Never heard of this
Post by: Prelim on Thu, 11 February 2016, 18:41:20
I honestly think Gateron is a nice switch, but the only thing making a difference (smoothness) on them is really the slider. The quality and construction is overall lower than Cherry and they DO HAVE the stuck problem with cherry profile caps (thin pbt, thick pbt, pom, doubleshots) and SA profile AFAIK... I have to use normal Cherry tops on them to avoid this HUGE problem. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70376.0)
Post by: Prelim on Thu, 11 February 2016, 18:55:00
Post by: antCB on Fri, 12 February 2016, 07:47:18
Post by: Vittra on Fri, 12 February 2016, 08:28:30
btw, also why Zealios sucks: http://imgur.com/a/dLD6I
The fix noted at the bottom of that link was observed by Zeal, and he's taken measures to correct the chattering issues for the R2 GB switches that are coming.
Post by: tronbeaver on Fri, 12 February 2016, 08:33:20
Nah don't listen to this trolls
They fixed the chatter issues tho
If they have been fixed why do people still complain about them?
Post by: Prelim on Fri, 12 February 2016, 09:29:44
@Prelim by "stuck" you mean the keys being harder to pop out of place, right?
I mean exactly the problem shown in the video. the cap stem gets "blocked" by the switch top housing.
the newest transparent Gateron top share the old design, so the problem still remains :/ The only effective solution is to use Cherry switch tops instead, as I said before (I also modded a few Gats tops myself using a dremel, but I think it's too much work and can also result in some more switch whobbleling afterwards)
Post by: bocahgundul on Fri, 12 February 2016, 09:48:34
Like you said in the recent post "everybody are always complaining"Nah don't listen to this trolls
They fixed the chatter issues tho
If they have been fixed why do people still complain about them?
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 12 February 2016, 15:09:36
btw, also why Zealios sucks: http://imgur.com/a/dLD6I
The fix noted at the bottom of that link was observed by Zeal, and he's taken measures to correct the chattering issues for the R2 GB switches that are coming.
R2 GB? Like Gateron Rev 2 Group Buy? Soon? Am I missing something?
Post by: romevi on Fri, 12 February 2016, 15:16:45
Post by: kohi on Fri, 12 February 2016, 15:33:07
Is there such a thing as vintage clears? :-\
I watched some videos of custom korean builds a while ago, and some of the switches were labeled to be vintaged mx clears, so it could be possible..
maybe harvested from an old g80 board or something -shrugs- :-\
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 12 February 2016, 15:42:29
Is there such a thing as vintage clears? :-\
yes
Post by: romevi on Fri, 12 February 2016, 15:58:08
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 12 February 2016, 17:12:59
Sweet. What years would be considered "vintage clears," if any.
Sounds like we're talking about the "good wine years" :p
Post by: Vittra on Fri, 12 February 2016, 17:14:32
btw, also why Zealios sucks: http://imgur.com/a/dLD6I
The fix noted at the bottom of that link was observed by Zeal, and he's taken measures to correct the chattering issues for the R2 GB switches that are coming.
R2 GB? Like Gateron Rev 2 Group Buy? Soon? Am I missing something?
Specifically Zealios, but "soon" as in the GB ends at the end of this month and orders will be fulfilled shortly after.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78773.0
Zeal has mentioned the leafs have had an adjustment for the reported chattering issues.
Post by: robbles on Fri, 12 February 2016, 21:55:52
Post by: bocahgundul on Sat, 13 February 2016, 00:46:31
I had a Varmilo VA87M with Gateron Blues and it was a terrible experience. Coming from Cherry MX Blues before that, the Gaterons sounded incredibly cheap. The click is more like a really high pitched ping that I could not stand. Also had 2 faulty switches. Seems like as far as linear switches are concerned though, Gaterons seem to be the way to go. Still haven't tried Zealios but really want to.You're the only person that doesn't like gat blues cause everybody loves em right?
Post by: robbles on Sat, 13 February 2016, 02:10:04
I had a Varmilo VA87M with Gateron Blues and it was a terrible experience. Coming from Cherry MX Blues before that, the Gaterons sounded incredibly cheap. The click is more like a really high pitched ping that I could not stand. Also had 2 faulty switches. Seems like as far as linear switches are concerned though, Gaterons seem to be the way to go. Still haven't tried Zealios but really want to.You're the only person that doesn't like gat blues cause everybody loves em right?
Seems the love is mostly for the linears? You just can't replicate the sound of Cherry Blues. From my experience, save your time with Gateron Blues and lube up some Cherry Blues.
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 13 February 2016, 06:28:56
btw, also why Zealios sucks: http://imgur.com/a/dLD6I
The fix noted at the bottom of that link was observed by Zeal, and he's taken measures to correct the chattering issues for the R2 GB switches that are coming.
R2 GB? Like Gateron Rev 2 Group Buy? Soon? Am I missing something?
Specifically Zealios, but "soon" as in the GB ends at the end of this month and orders will be fulfilled shortly after.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78773.0
Zeal has mentioned the leafs have had an adjustment for the reported chattering issues.
Thanks for clearing that up!
Post by: davkol on Sat, 13 February 2016, 09:20:54
Idk genuine modern Cherry MX Blue is already annoyingly high-pitched and cheap.I had a Varmilo VA87M with Gateron Blues and it was a terrible experience. Coming from Cherry MX Blues before that, the Gaterons sounded incredibly cheap. The click is more like a really high pitched ping that I could not stand. Also had 2 faulty switches. Seems like as far as linear switches are concerned though, Gaterons seem to be the way to go. Still haven't tried Zealios but really want to.You're the only person that doesn't like gat blues cause everybody loves em right?
Post by: Prelim on Sat, 13 February 2016, 09:25:31
From my experience, save your time with Gateron Blues and lube up some Cherry Blues.
lubing blues? lol, seems legit...
Post by: robbles on Sat, 13 February 2016, 12:39:15
From my experience, save your time with Gateron Blues and lube up some Cherry Blues.
lubing blues? lol, seems legit...
To get rid of the scratchiness which isn't present on Gaterons. I wish I still had my board with Gateron Blues so I could do a typing comparison video. Maybe it was the difference in board and not switches but the sound was really bad. And I'm a lover of clicky switches.
Post by: Prelim on Sat, 13 February 2016, 13:12:12
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 13 February 2016, 15:07:04
I had a Varmilo VA87M with Gateron Blues and it was a terrible experience. Coming from Cherry MX Blues before that, the Gaterons sounded incredibly cheap. The click is more like a really high pitched ping that I could not stand. Also had 2 faulty switches. Seems like as far as linear switches are concerned though, Gaterons seem to be the way to go. Still haven't tried Zealios but really want to.You're the only person that doesn't like gat blues cause everybody loves em right?
Seems the love is mostly for the linears? You just can't replicate the sound of Cherry Blues. From my experience, save your time with Gateron Blues and lube up some Cherry Blues.
oh god
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 13 February 2016, 15:07:26
you can't lube MX blues AFAIK... or you'll get the slider to stick and loose all the tactility/clicky sound of it! If you love blue switches, then you should know better...
It ruins the switch :))
Post by: robbles on Sat, 13 February 2016, 17:18:25
you can't lube MX blues AFAIK... or you'll get the slider to stick and loose all the tactility/clicky sound of it! If you love blue switches, then you should know better...
It ruins the switch :))
If you apply a tiny amount to the slider it doesn't quiet the click and makes for a smother down press. As long as you're not doing this, you're fine.
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 13 February 2016, 17:19:35
you can't lube MX blues AFAIK... or you'll get the slider to stick and loose all the tactility/clicky sound of it! If you love blue switches, then you should know better...
It ruins the switch :))
If you apply a tiny amount to the slider it doesn't quiet the click and makes for a smother down press. As long as you're not doing this, you're fine.
I've never lubed a blue switch that didn't feel different enough to me to dislike it. I'd certainly be interested to feel one of these perfect blue switches you're talking about someday if they exist
Post by: Prelim on Sat, 13 February 2016, 17:51:53
If you apply a tiny amount to the slider it doesn't quiet the click and makes for a smother down press. As long as you're not doing this, you're fine.
ROFL, that video... what a mess, what a jerk!! @@
"congrats, you have now ruined your mx blues" :eek: :eek:
Post by: bocahgundul on Sat, 13 February 2016, 20:05:03
If you are a lover of clicky switch I advise you to get either a model f or some blue alps! But what the hell cherry blues sucks ass manFrom my experience, save your time with Gateron Blues and lube up some Cherry Blues.
lubing blues? lol, seems legit...
To get rid of the scratchiness which isn't present on Gaterons. I wish I still had my board with Gateron Blues so I could do a typing comparison video. Maybe it was the difference in board and not switches but the sound was really bad. And I'm a lover of clicky switches.
Post by: romevi on Sat, 13 February 2016, 21:36:21
If you are a lover of clicky switch I advise you to get either a model f or some blue alps! But what the hell cherry blues sucks ass manFrom my experience, save your time with Gateron Blues and lube up some Cherry Blues.
lubing blues? lol, seems legit...
To get rid of the scratchiness which isn't present on Gaterons. I wish I still had my board with Gateron Blues so I could do a typing comparison video. Maybe it was the difference in board and not switches but the sound was really bad. And I'm a lover of clicky switches.
Totally agree. Everyone who's had long experiences with keyboards--okay, mostly everyone--steers clear of MX Blues after trying buckling springs and Alps blues.
Post by: bocahgundul on Sun, 14 February 2016, 05:20:34
But I have to say that I can't appreciate blue alps cause they are just not as good as everyone say!. well Capacitive buckling spring next thoIf you are a lover of clicky switch I advise you to get either a model f or some blue alps! But what the hell cherry blues sucks ass manFrom my experience, save your time with Gateron Blues and lube up some Cherry Blues.
lubing blues? lol, seems legit...
To get rid of the scratchiness which isn't present on Gaterons. I wish I still had my board with Gateron Blues so I could do a typing comparison video. Maybe it was the difference in board and not switches but the sound was really bad. And I'm a lover of clicky switches.
Totally agree. Everyone who's had long experiences with keyboards--okay, mostly everyone--steers clear of MX Blues after trying buckling springs and Alps blues.
Post by: Giorgio on Sun, 14 February 2016, 11:55:43
Post by: jcoffin1981 on Tue, 16 February 2016, 20:10:06
Where can I find the new run ones? I want to buy gateron switch but I don't want to run into this issuesThere is no question, the pressure to actuate the switch is definitely lighter. I think they both actuate at about 45g, but the cherry brown switch has to overcome the peak resistance, which is around 55g. With so little resistance to press the Gateron brown, I find that just resting my fingers on the home row I get accidental keystrokes, which I never get with Cherry.
One thing that absolutely drives me bonkers is the chatter or extra keystrokes, specifically on the space bar. I constantly have to go back and correct these mistakes. If anyone has any tips on how to combat this I'd be much oblidged. I did update the firmware to V107, which is the most recent. Somedays I think I like the Gateron V60 better, and others I like the poker 3 better. I can't decide, so I keep both.
You have to open the switch and bend a small metal contact a very small amount to fix the chatter. There was a detailed post on that, with pictures, awhile back but I don't have it. You can try to search for the post. I believe new runs of those switches fixed that issue.
I did not know this was possible. My first gateron v60 the metal frame was actually bent at the space bar, so this probably accounted for this chatter, but my replacement one chatters too and this is really getting annoying. It's ONLY the space bar that does it. I'm not being lazy, but does anybody know where this posting is?
Post by: ideus on Wed, 17 February 2016, 08:34:37
For those wondering if it is possible to use a gateron stem/ top with cherry switches, my experience is that there is too much wobble. I tried to mix cherry blacks and gateron linears with clear tops.
Just for the record: I use clear Cherry stems with Gateron bottoms and clear tops with no issues whatsoever, they have gold 67g Sprit's springs.
Post by: jcoffin1981 on Wed, 17 February 2016, 14:25:22
Nah don't listen to this trolls
They fixed the chatter issues tho
I received my second board (actualy third, the first was the wrong model) in mid-January and it still has bad space bar chatter, even with updated firmware. This is pretty recent. I replaced the spacebar switch on the previous board with some extra switches the manufacturer sent me, but and it didn't fix the problem. I have yet to open the case of the new one and attempt to replace the switch. Does anybody else have any similar issues or am I just super unlucky?
I can't find this posting with the switch mod to address this chatter issue.
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 17 February 2016, 23:26:47
Nah don't listen to this trolls
They fixed the chatter issues tho
I received my second board (actualy third, the first was the wrong model) in mid-January and it still has bad space bar chatter, even with updated firmware. This is pretty recent. I replaced the spacebar switch on the previous board with some extra switches the manufacturer sent me, but and it didn't fix the problem. I have yet to open the case of the new one and attempt to replace the switch. Does anybody else have any similar issues or am I just super unlucky?
I can't find this posting with the switch mod to address this chatter issue.
I've never had chatter issues with gaterons before
Post by: axtran on Wed, 17 February 2016, 23:32:07
Also, I only own GMK, OG Cherry, or BSP keycaps and haven't had issues with keycap compatibility on Gateron either...
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 18 February 2016, 01:23:24
Post by: axtran on Thu, 18 February 2016, 05:41:29
Nah don't listen to this trolls
They fixed the chatter issues tho
I received my second board (actualy third, the first was the wrong model) in mid-January and it still has bad space bar chatter, even with updated firmware. This is pretty recent. I replaced the spacebar switch on the previous board with some extra switches the manufacturer sent me, but and it didn't fix the problem. I have yet to open the case of the new one and attempt to replace the switch. Does anybody else have any similar issues or am I just super unlucky?
I can't find this posting with the switch mod to address this chatter issue.
What board? I do know that KBP Gateron boards had chatter issues, but they were firmware related and not mechanical.
Post by: jcoffin1981 on Thu, 18 February 2016, 12:05:23
imgur.com/gallery/fyxIg
Post by: knowsnokb on Thu, 25 February 2016, 23:18:49
I have a Poker 3 blue where some switches are weak, while others are loud.
Post by: klennkellon on Fri, 26 February 2016, 02:45:12
I have heard the Greetechs are smoother than MX Blues but not as smooth as Gateron.
Post by: Geroximo on Fri, 26 February 2016, 05:46:01
The Gaterons indeed are smoother.
But, they get stuck if you have cherry profiled keycaps mounted and press the key off center (towards the bottom of the keycap).
It is not so bad, that you couldn't use Cherry profiled caps... you just get a little resistance if you accidentally hit the keys off centered.
EDIT: OEM profiled keycaps are buttery smooth, no matter where you hit them.
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 26 February 2016, 09:11:33
Has anyone compared the Gaterons to the Greetech?
I have heard the Greetechs are smoother than MX Blues but not as smooth as Gateron.
I like the Greetechs a bit more than Cherry, but definitely not as much as Gateron
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 26 February 2016, 09:13:09
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Fri, 26 February 2016, 20:38:57
*snip* But, they get stuck if you have cherry profiled keycaps mounted and press the key off center (towards the bottom of the keycap).
It is not so bad, that you couldn't use Cherry profiled caps... you just get a little resistance if you accidentally hit the keys off centered.
EDIT: OEM profiled keycaps are buttery smooth, no matter where you hit them.
Good to know! I'm currently experiencing stuck keys (KBTalking blacks = Greetechs from what I'm reading) on my new MK Disco using Vortex PBT+POM doubleshots (OEM profile). It's driving me nuts too. Of course the garbage thin ABS caps work just fine though. I've been considering returning it and modding another deck I have with Gateron blacks (linear dude, and I don't feel like lubing/spring modding switches, so the Gat blacks would prolly feel about in the 'sweet spot' for me!).