Post by: Baddy126 on Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:26:00
They all make very nice sets and I wouldn't mind getting anything by either of them.... just wanted to see some opinions that's all.
Thanks!
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:27:15
Post by: raymogi on Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:27:27
Post by: Jokrik on Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:30:34
JTK is good, but there are still works to do like their font tidiness, stems (as I find they're too tight)
Although some GMK production also has backlight issue
nevertheless color is more important :)
Post by: demik on Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:32:43
if you want scratches, gmk
if you want perfection, get yourself an hhkb.
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:34:18
if you want inconsistent letter size, jtk
if you want scratches, gmk
if you want perfection, get yourself an hhkb.
+1
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:34:24
if you want inconsistent letter size, jtk
if you want scratches, gmk
if you want perfection, get yourself an hhkb.
Is that the new slogan?
Post by: demik on Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:35:20
if you want inconsistent letter size, jtk
if you want scratches, gmk
if you want perfection, get yourself an hhkb.
Is that the new slogan?
si
Post by: slickmamba on Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:56:04
JTK has some problems, but they are continually improving.
Post by: Michael on Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:57:47
if you want inconsistent letter size, jtk
For being a brand new company, I would say they did a pretty good job. I don't know why you give them so much ****.
Those issues are being fixed for the next run.
Let's look back at all the massive ****ups from SP (a company that has been around a long time, still making ****ups) ;)
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:59:57
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:01:32
Like others said. GMK is great. Their quality dropped a bit last year, and we don't really know if its bounced back yet.
Nah, their quality didn't slip last year. What happened? A bunch of people blew non-issues like light bleed out of proportion and a single GB didn't have complete color mixing on a custom color. There were no more scratches or other problems than normal, just two things blew up into a total cluster****. Even with the issues from the TA buy, they still have better quality caps than anything else out there.
if you want inconsistent letter size, jtk
For being a brand new company, I would say they did a pretty good job. I don't know why you give them so much ****.
Those issues are being fixed for the next run.
Let's look back at all the massive ****ups from SP (a company that has been around a long time, still making ****ups) ;)
I'm hoping that they are a bit better with the next round. I don't think we've seen R2 yet, but there were some issues with R1 (purple and white) that make me not sure I can use them since once they've been noticed, there's no unseeing them. They are still nicer than SP DCS though.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:03:39
Post by: PunksDead on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:03:50
JTK significantly cheaper and BL is just a PM away if there are issues...
SP has SA sets, the only reason they get play on my credit card
Post by: slickmamba on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:04:17
Like others said. GMK is great. Their quality dropped a bit last year, and we don't really know if its bounced back yet.
Nah, their quality didn't slip last year. What happened? A bunch of people blew non-issues like light bleed out of proportion and a single GB didn't have complete color mixing on a custom color. There were no more scratches or other problems than normal, just two things blew up into a total cluster****. Even with the issues from the TA buy, they still have better quality caps than anything else out there.if you want inconsistent letter size, jtk
For being a brand new company, I would say they did a pretty good job. I don't know why you give them so much ****.
Those issues are being fixed for the next run.
Let's look back at all the massive ****ups from SP (a company that has been around a long time, still making ****ups) ;)
I'm hoping that they are a bit better with the next round. I don't think we've seen R2 yet, but there were some issues with R1 (purple and white) that make me not sure I can use them since once they've been noticed, there's no unseeing them. They are still nicer than SP DCS though.
I agree, but the lightbleed was something that I haven't seen before in GMK sets, but it very well may have existed before.
I'm very excited for what Ctrl Alt and JTK have in store for us.
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:06:55
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:10:24
Post by: demik on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:38:39
lets, SP did **** up a lot. they aren't immune to criticism either. i dont think users should be beta testers for whatever price jtk goes for. c'mon, that white on black set look like it was made for blind people.if you want inconsistent letter size, jtk
For being a brand new company, I would say they did a pretty good job. I don't know why you give them so much ****.
Those issues are being fixed for the next run.
Let's look back at all the massive ****ups from SP (a company that has been around a long time, still making ****ups) ;)
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:45:32
GMK is great, but..
Original Cherry is still the best. I don't believe it will ever be bested.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:49:19
I was with you until you decided to drag yet another company through the mud. I'm not sure how bad-mouthing SP makes JTK or GMK look better.if you want inconsistent letter size, jtk
For being a brand new company, I would say they did a pretty good job. I don't know why you give them so much ****.
Those issues are being fixed for the next run.
Let's look back at all the massive ****ups from SP (a company that has been around a long time, still making ****ups) ;)
Post by: Michael on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:51:02
lets, SP did **** up a lot. they aren't immune to criticism either. i dont think users should be beta testers for whatever price jtk goes for. c'mon, that white on black set look like it was made for blind people.if you want inconsistent letter size, jtk
For being a brand new company, I would say they did a pretty good job. I don't know why you give them so much ****.
Those issues are being fixed for the next run.
Let's look back at all the massive ****ups from SP (a company that has been around a long time, still making ****ups) ;)
Oh I am not denying that there were issues, I am just saying that this is brand new tooling, and process for them. Also, it wasn't a secret regarding those legends, as the images of the set were produced
prior to the sale running. They weren't hiding it in any way. So if anyone bought the set, they bought it knowing this.
Post by: Michael on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:52:04
I was with you until you decided to drag yet another company through the mud. I'm not sure how bad-mouthing SP makes JTK or GMK look better.if you want inconsistent letter size, jtk
For being a brand new company, I would say they did a pretty good job. I don't know why you give them so much ****.
Those issues are being fixed for the next run.
Let's look back at all the massive ****ups from SP (a company that has been around a long time, still making ****ups) ;)
I wasnt trying to drag their name through the mud, I was simply using them as an example that some leniency should be considered in this situation.
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:52:57
the images of the set were produced prior to the sale running. They weren't hiding it in any way. So if anyone bought the set, they bought it knowing this.Before the first GB? Maybe I missed it but I don't remember seeing any images before I purchased a set.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:53:43
Fair enough. I may have interpreted that more harshly than you intended. One thing you've got to give SP credit for, they always make good on their mistakes.I was with you until you decided to drag yet another company through the mud. I'm not sure how bad-mouthing SP makes JTK or GMK look better.if you want inconsistent letter size, jtk
For being a brand new company, I would say they did a pretty good job. I don't know why you give them so much ****.
Those issues are being fixed for the next run.
Let's look back at all the massive ****ups from SP (a company that has been around a long time, still making ****ups) ;)
I wasnt trying to drag their name through the mud, I was simply using them as an example that some leniency should be considered in this situation.
Post by: Michael on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:54:05
At this current moment in time I couldn't recommend JTK. The legends, to someone as anal as me, are glaringly ugly. That said, if improvements are made then JTK will perhaps become a viable option. Only time will tell.
GMK is great, but..
Original Cherry is still the best. I don't believe it will ever be bested.
So the tooling that GMK uses, is that original Cherry corp tooling, or is it their own? I was still never clear on this. Did Cherry produce everything in-house, or were they going out to other companies like GMK?
Post by: Baddy126 on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:56:38
Post by: Michael on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:56:41
Fair enough. I may have interpreted that more harshly than you intended. One thing you've got to give SP credit for, they always make good on their mistakes.I was with you until you decided to drag yet another company through the mud. I'm not sure how bad-mouthing SP makes JTK or GMK look better.if you want inconsistent letter size, jtk
For being a brand new company, I would say they did a pretty good job. I don't know why you give them so much ****.
Those issues are being fixed for the next run.
Let's look back at all the massive ****ups from SP (a company that has been around a long time, still making ****ups) ;)
I wasnt trying to drag their name through the mud, I was simply using them as an example that some leniency should be considered in this situation.
No doubt, they definitely do. I just wanted to point out that even established companies have issues like this.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:59:04
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 22 February 2016, 22:00:37
So the tooling that GMK uses, is that original Cherry corp tooling, or is it their own? I was still never clear on this. Did Cherry produce everything in-house, or were they going out to other companies like GMK?GMK has the original Cherry doubleshot tooling, but they do not manage to produce keycaps of the same quality as Cherry. Small errors in some legends, the texture isn't as nice, etc. I'm not sure why this is. Perhaps it's just lack of QC, perhaps they have had to make repairs/changes to the moulds or perhaps it's both.
Really though, I was mostly referring to Cherry dyesubs. They're so far ahead of even Cherry doubleshots. They are perfect.
Post by: Baddy126 on Mon, 22 February 2016, 22:00:38
Just get blanks in Cherry profile. They are cheap and you don't have to worry about nonsense like screwed up legends.
Where do I get thick blank abs?
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 22 February 2016, 22:08:32
the images of the set were produced prior to the sale running. They weren't hiding it in any way. So if anyone bought the set, they bought it knowing this.Before the first GB? Maybe I missed it but I don't remember seeing any images before I purchased a set.
I posted images of the set prior to launching the buy
They are available to find in the forum
I also made it very clear on the original sale page that this was he first production and there would be issues specifically regarding legends
Since there were issues, we have offered free full legacy support with jtk, when we fix and finalise a legend it'll be reproduced for all the original buys
We extensively tested jtk before anyone ever knew anything about it, people close to me we're seeing samples 2 years before I said anything publicly
But there were subtle changes in materials chosen at the end and other issues that come in to play when going in to mass production
Initially we also had lots of legends on one mould, and changing one legend had a knock on effect across others
It took a ton of trial and error and these moulds and legends are made by hand
Not only will the issues be fixed for future sets, they will for past sets as well
Everyone who purchased the debut set knew exactly what they were buying, unless of course they didn't bother to read the information at the very top of the sale page
The sets made on the debut one are wob,bow and purple
There will be huge improvements on sophomore sets, I'm sure it still won't be perfect, but it'll get closer every time
People are welcome to wait until the set is up to there standards, or support the project to help speed up these changes
But at no point have I stated the set is finished and finalised, nor have I claimed it to be a replica of gmk, which is the standard it is being held to
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 22 February 2016, 22:14:28
Man that makes me want the dyesubs more!. Reply to my pm manSo the tooling that GMK uses, is that original Cherry corp tooling, or is it their own? I was still never clear on this. Did Cherry produce everything in-house, or were they going out to other companies like GMK?GMK has the original Cherry doubleshot tooling, but they do not manage to produce keycaps of the same quality as Cherry. Small errors in some legends, the texture isn't as nice, etc. I'm not sure why this is. Perhaps it's just lack of QC, perhaps they have had to make repairs/changes to the moulds or perhaps it's both.
Really though, I was mostly referring to Cherry dyesubs. They're so far ahead of even Cherry doubleshots. They are perfect.
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 22 February 2016, 22:18:55
I posted images of the set prior to launching the buyI guess I must have just missed the pictures, or perhaps my memory is just hazy. Of course. I purchased the set knowing that it was going to be the first, imperfect run and I'm sure everyone knows that too. Whenever I see JTK criticized it is almost always followed by a statement of the fact that it will be seeing improvements, so I certainly don't think it's a little-known fact.
They are available to find in the forum
I also made it very clear on the original sale page that this was he first production and there would be issues specifically regarding legends
Since there were issues, we have offered free full legacy support with jtk, when we fix and finalise a legend it'll be reproduced for all the original buys
We extensively tested jtk before anyone ever knew anything about it, people close to me we're seeing samples 2 years before I said anything publicly
But there were subtle changes in materials chosen at the end and other issues that come in to play when going in to mass production
Initially we also had lots of legends on one mould, and changing one legend had a knock on effect across others
It took a ton of trial and error and these moulds and legends are made by hand
Not only will the issues be fixed for future sets, they will for past sets as well
Everyone who purchased the debut set knew exactly what they were buying, unless of course they didn't bother to read the information at the very top of the sale page
The sets made on the debut one are wob,bow and purple
There will be huge improvements on sophomore sets, I'm sure it still won't be perfect, but it'll get closer every time
People are welcome to wait intil the set is up to there standards, or support the project to help speed up these changes
But at no point have I stated the set is finished and finalised, nor have I claimed it to be a replica of gmk, which is the standard it is being held to
I just cannot recommend buying JTK for using on a keyboard at this moment in time due to the legends. That said, buying JTK for the sake of supporting improvements is something else entirely. I look forward to seeing how the sets improve.
Post by: nmur on Mon, 22 February 2016, 22:21:38
not sure how or why people expect them their sets to be on par with GMK, considering how new JTK are to this and the pricing difference between both manufacturers
if you want the premium stuff, go GMK (classifieds for past sets)
if you want a cheaper, yet still pretty decent set, go JTK
Post by: Baddy126 on Mon, 22 February 2016, 22:22:29
I posted images of the set prior to launching the buyI guess I must have just missed the pictures, or perhaps my memory is just hazy. Of course. I purchased the set knowing that it was going to be the first, imperfect run and I'm sure everyone knows that too. Whenever I see JTK criticized it is almost always followed by a statement of the fact that it will be seeing improvements, so I certainly don't think it's a little-known fact.
They are available to find in the forum
I also made it very clear on the original sale page that this was he first production and there would be issues specifically regarding legends
Since there were issues, we have offered free full legacy support with jtk, when we fix and finalise a legend it'll be reproduced for all the original buys
We extensively tested jtk before anyone ever knew anything about it, people close to me we're seeing samples 2 years before I said anything publicly
But there were subtle changes in materials chosen at the end and other issues that come in to play when going in to mass production
Initially we also had lots of legends on one mould, and changing one legend had a knock on effect across others
It took a ton of trial and error and these moulds and legends are made by hand
Not only will the issues be fixed for future sets, they will for past sets as well
Everyone who purchased the debut set knew exactly what they were buying, unless of course they didn't bother to read the information at the very top of the sale page
The sets made on the debut one are wob,bow and purple
There will be huge improvements on sophomore sets, I'm sure it still won't be perfect, but it'll get closer every time
People are welcome to wait intil the set is up to there standards, or support the project to help speed up these changes
But at no point have I stated the set is finished and finalised, nor have I claimed it to be a replica of gmk, which is the standard it is being held to
I just cannot recommend buying JTK for using on a keyboard at this moment in time due to the legends. That said, buying JTK for the sake of supporting improvements is something else entirely. I look forward to seeing how the sets improve.
To be honest I think the PoW looks nice overall. These were all from group buys so even if I wanted to purchase it I can't :-\
Post by: demik on Mon, 22 February 2016, 22:22:56
$120 + a set and you have to put your faith in your GB to take care of mistakes,
JTK significantly cheaper and BL is just a PM away if there are issues...
SP has SA sets, the only reason they get play on my credit card
is he? he's not exactly the most level headed when somebody criticizes how he runs things.
but before i get called out for "hating" on bunny, save it. i don't care what his stans say.
anyway, the purple on white is nice.
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 22 February 2016, 22:24:18
it's a shame that most JTK discussion/question/media threads seem to turn into ****ting on JTKI don't see this occurring. I see criticism of JTK, which is absolutely fine and is something that must be done. Without criticism, whether it be from one person or from many, how can you hope for there to be improvements? This rings true for any person and any thing - not just JTK.
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 22 February 2016, 22:30:34
To put it simply, I don't think demik was attempting to "talk ****" but merely do a quick con list with quirky remark. It was just simple criticism that I think certainly got blown out of proportion, as he was not exactly attacking JTK/GMK just stating facts.
so OP, buy anything you want but:
JTK sets (BoW, WoB, PoW) will have some legends that may distract you from the varying size in lettering. Future JTK sets will not have these issues. However, they are colorful, cheap, and thick so, potentially worth the wait if you care.
GMK sets (Cyan, TA, Hyperfuse at the top of my head) can have scratches and/or the ability to bleed with backlighting. For example, Hyperfuse doesn't for me, but my Cyan set does. These sets are expensive, sometimes hard to find for a decent price on Classifieds or r/MechMarket but it's possible.
Post by: Baddy126 on Mon, 22 February 2016, 22:36:47
I'd like to point out this wasn't supposed to be cluster**** or anything. OP wanted/still wants suggestions and help about keysets. How about focus on that?
To put it simply, I don't think demik was attempting to "talk ****" but merely do a quick con list with quirky remark. It was just simple criticism that I think certainly got blown out of proportion, as he was not exactly attacking JTK/GMK just stating facts.
so OP, buy anything you want but:
JTK sets (BoW, WoB, PoW) will have some legends that may distract you from the varying size in lettering. Future JTK sets will not have these issues. However, they are colorful, cheap, and thick so, potentially worth the wait if you care.
GMK sets (Cyan, TA, Hyperfuse at the top of my head) can have scratches and/or the ability to bleed with backlighting. For example, Hyperfuse doesn't for me, but my Cyan set does. These sets are expensive, sometimes hard to find for a decent price on Classifieds or r/MechMarket but it's possible.
Thanks for the pros and cons Beehatch. Aside from what you've listed, could you shed some light as to how they feel? If you were to close your eyes and typed on them could you even tell the difference or are they all pretty much exactly the same?
Post by: appleonama on Mon, 22 February 2016, 22:54:54
I never look directly at my keyboard so inconsistencies wouldn't bother me and there is some inconsistencies with gmk but it is hardly noticeable .
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 23 February 2016, 03:39:46
I'd like to point out this wasn't supposed to be cluster**** or anything. OP wanted/still wants suggestions and help about keysets. How about focus on that?
To put it simply, I don't think demik was attempting to "talk ****" but merely do a quick con list with quirky remark. It was just simple criticism that I think certainly got blown out of proportion, as he was not exactly attacking JTK/GMK just stating facts.
so OP, buy anything you want but:
JTK sets (BoW, WoB, PoW) will have some legends that may distract you from the varying size in lettering. Future JTK sets will not have these issues. However, they are colorful, cheap, and thick so, potentially worth the wait if you care.
GMK sets (Cyan, TA, Hyperfuse at the top of my head) can have scratches and/or the ability to bleed with backlighting. For example, Hyperfuse doesn't for me, but my Cyan set does. These sets are expensive, sometimes hard to find for a decent price on Classifieds or r/MechMarket but it's possible.
Thanks for the pros and cons Beehatch. Aside from what you've listed, could you shed some light as to how they feel? If you were to close your eyes and typed on them could you even tell the difference or are they all pretty much exactly the same?
I'd have to do a blind test, but AFAICR JTK is a little smoother than GMK.
But then these are ABS, and they will all shine up if you use them long enough.
Post by: Diokhan on Tue, 23 February 2016, 04:19:28
I'd like to point out this wasn't supposed to be cluster**** or anything. OP wanted/still wants suggestions and help about keysets. How about focus on that?
To put it simply, I don't think demik was attempting to "talk ****" but merely do a quick con list with quirky remark. It was just simple criticism that I think certainly got blown out of proportion, as he was not exactly attacking JTK/GMK just stating facts.
so OP, buy anything you want but:
JTK sets (BoW, WoB, PoW) will have some legends that may distract you from the varying size in lettering. Future JTK sets will not have these issues. However, they are colorful, cheap, and thick so, potentially worth the wait if you care.
GMK sets (Cyan, TA, Hyperfuse at the top of my head) can have scratches and/or the ability to bleed with backlighting. For example, Hyperfuse doesn't for me, but my Cyan set does. These sets are expensive, sometimes hard to find for a decent price on Classifieds or r/MechMarket but it's possible.
Thanks for the pros and cons Beehatch. Aside from what you've listed, could you shed some light as to how they feel? If you were to close your eyes and typed on them could you even tell the difference or are they all pretty much exactly the same?
I'd have to do a blind test, but AFAICR JTK is a little smoother than GMK.
But then these are ABS, and they will all shine up if you use them long enough.
That is the only thing that would stop me from buying I think..
The shine.
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 23 February 2016, 09:44:51
Depending on the color scheme you want either is fine. If you aren't anal about the legends and looking at your set with a microscope then go for Jtk. The price is pretty good for a pretty good quality plastic.
I never look directly at my keyboard so inconsistencies wouldn't bother me and there is some inconsistencies with gmk but it is hardly noticeable .
Maybe it depends on the set, but I know some of my JTK caps have small gaps between the legends and the cap and some have soft looking legends in addition to legend size variance. It's not all microscopic stuff. The quality is suppossed to be improving and, like I said, I'd still take it over SP DCS, but, for the white on purple set at least, it's not so minute that you won't notice it without a microscope.
If you're willing to spend the extra, I think GMK is worth the premium right now. If you don't, JTK is great. As things get figured it and quality improves, JTK may end up being recommended over GMK.
Post by: asgeirtj on Tue, 23 February 2016, 12:27:30
At this current moment in time I couldn't recommend JTK. The legends, to someone as anal as me, are glaringly ugly. That said, if improvements are made then JTK will perhaps become a viable option. Only time will tell.
GMK is great, but..
Original Cherry is still the best. I don't believe it will ever be bested.
What's the difference between OG cherry DS and GMK? Is there much difference in feel of the texture of the caps?
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 23 February 2016, 12:34:59
What's the difference between OG cherry DS and GMK? Is there much difference in feel of the texture of the caps?
GMK has the original Cherry doubleshot tooling, but they do not manage to produce keycaps of the same quality as Cherry. Small errors in some legends, the texture isn't as nice, etc. I'm not sure why this is. Perhaps it's just lack of QC, perhaps they have had to make repairs/changes to the moulds or perhaps it's both.
Really though, I was mostly referring to Cherry dyesubs. They're so far ahead of even Cherry doubleshots. They are perfect.
Post by: Diokhan on Tue, 23 February 2016, 12:35:51
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 23 February 2016, 12:46:21
how bad is the shine on the abs?It all depends on use, environment, personal chemistry etc.
Post by: keshley on Tue, 23 February 2016, 12:59:03
I'd like to point out this wasn't supposed to be cluster**** or anything. OP wanted/still wants suggestions and help about keysets. How about focus on that?
To put it simply, I don't think demik was attempting to "talk ****" but merely do a quick con list with quirky remark. It was just simple criticism that I think certainly got blown out of proportion, as he was not exactly attacking JTK/GMK just stating facts.
so OP, buy anything you want but:
JTK sets (BoW, WoB, PoW) will have some legends that may distract you from the varying size in lettering. Future JTK sets will not have these issues. However, they are colorful, cheap, and thick so, potentially worth the wait if you care.
GMK sets (Cyan, TA, Hyperfuse at the top of my head) can have scratches and/or the ability to bleed with backlighting. For example, Hyperfuse doesn't for me, but my Cyan set does. These sets are expensive, sometimes hard to find for a decent price on Classifieds or r/MechMarket but it's possible.
Thanks for the pros and cons Beehatch. Aside from what you've listed, could you shed some light as to how they feel? If you were to close your eyes and typed on them could you even tell the difference or are they all pretty much exactly the same?
I'd have to do a blind test, but AFAICR JTK is a little smoother than GMK.
But then these are ABS, and they will all shine up if you use them long enough.
I have the opposite opinion. Currently have JTK alphas and GMK mods on the board I'm typing on now, and I find the GMK to be slightly smoother. Or at least consistently so. The scoops feel smoothest of all the caps on the board.
Not that the JTK caps feel bad or anything. I don't notice the difference when I'm hacking away. I'd say the real only issue, as noted previously, is the legends. And as already mentioned, that's being addressed with each new run.
Barring price and availability, I'd choose GMK as it stands right now, if I could only have one. But I'm not unhappy with my JTK set and will likely buy more sets as improvements and colorways are introduced. If pricing is an issue, then I have no problems recommending JTK, assuming the legends don't bother you.
Post by: Baddy126 on Tue, 23 February 2016, 14:07:37
I'd like to point out this wasn't supposed to be cluster**** or anything. OP wanted/still wants suggestions and help about keysets. How about focus on that?
To put it simply, I don't think demik was attempting to "talk ****" but merely do a quick con list with quirky remark. It was just simple criticism that I think certainly got blown out of proportion, as he was not exactly attacking JTK/GMK just stating facts.
so OP, buy anything you want but:
JTK sets (BoW, WoB, PoW) will have some legends that may distract you from the varying size in lettering. Future JTK sets will not have these issues. However, they are colorful, cheap, and thick so, potentially worth the wait if you care.
GMK sets (Cyan, TA, Hyperfuse at the top of my head) can have scratches and/or the ability to bleed with backlighting. For example, Hyperfuse doesn't for me, but my Cyan set does. These sets are expensive, sometimes hard to find for a decent price on Classifieds or r/MechMarket but it's possible.
Thanks for the pros and cons Beehatch. Aside from what you've listed, could you shed some light as to how they feel? If you were to close your eyes and typed on them could you even tell the difference or are they all pretty much exactly the same?
I'd have to do a blind test, but AFAICR JTK is a little smoother than GMK.
But then these are ABS, and they will all shine up if you use them long enough.
I have the opposite opinion. Currently have JTK alphas and GMK mods on the board I'm typing on now, and I find the GMK to be slightly smoother. Or at least consistently so. The scoops feel smoothest of all the caps on the board.
Not that the JTK caps feel bad or anything. I don't notice the difference when I'm hacking away. I'd say the real only issue, as noted previously, is the legends. And as already mentioned, that's being addressed with each new run.
Barring price and availability, I'd choose GMK as it stands right now, if I could only have one. But I'm not unhappy with my JTK set and will likely buy more sets as improvements and colorways are introduced. If pricing is an issue, then I have no problems recommending JTK, assuming the legends don't bother you.
Thanks for your reply! I've already made up my mind that the JTK legends aren't that bad... but the availability of these sets seem so scarce compared to GMK so if I were to purchase any sets brand new... it'd probably be eaiser to get GMK over JTK unless someone else can point me in the direct of getting some JTK preferably (PoW)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 23 February 2016, 18:56:05
There have been some JTK sets sold in classifieds and bunnylake may have some extras still.I'd like to point out this wasn't supposed to be cluster**** or anything. OP wanted/still wants suggestions and help about keysets. How about focus on that?
To put it simply, I don't think demik was attempting to "talk ****" but merely do a quick con list with quirky remark. It was just simple criticism that I think certainly got blown out of proportion, as he was not exactly attacking JTK/GMK just stating facts.
so OP, buy anything you want but:
JTK sets (BoW, WoB, PoW) will have some legends that may distract you from the varying size in lettering. Future JTK sets will not have these issues. However, they are colorful, cheap, and thick so, potentially worth the wait if you care.
GMK sets (Cyan, TA, Hyperfuse at the top of my head) can have scratches and/or the ability to bleed with backlighting. For example, Hyperfuse doesn't for me, but my Cyan set does. These sets are expensive, sometimes hard to find for a decent price on Classifieds or r/MechMarket but it's possible.
Thanks for the pros and cons Beehatch. Aside from what you've listed, could you shed some light as to how they feel? If you were to close your eyes and typed on them could you even tell the difference or are they all pretty much exactly the same?
I'd have to do a blind test, but AFAICR JTK is a little smoother than GMK.
But then these are ABS, and they will all shine up if you use them long enough.
I have the opposite opinion. Currently have JTK alphas and GMK mods on the board I'm typing on now, and I find the GMK to be slightly smoother. Or at least consistently so. The scoops feel smoothest of all the caps on the board.
Not that the JTK caps feel bad or anything. I don't notice the difference when I'm hacking away. I'd say the real only issue, as noted previously, is the legends. And as already mentioned, that's being addressed with each new run.
Barring price and availability, I'd choose GMK as it stands right now, if I could only have one. But I'm not unhappy with my JTK set and will likely buy more sets as improvements and colorways are introduced. If pricing is an issue, then I have no problems recommending JTK, assuming the legends don't bother you.
Thanks for your reply! I've already made up my mind that the JTK legends aren't that bad... but the availability of these sets seem so scarce compared to GMK so if I were to purchase any sets brand new... it'd probably be eaiser to get GMK over JTK unless someone else can point me in the direct of getting some JTK preferably (PoW)
I've also seen some at a few other vendors.
Post by: Baddy126 on Tue, 23 February 2016, 19:46:21
Post by: romevi on Tue, 23 February 2016, 19:52:55
Post by: demik on Tue, 23 February 2016, 19:54:38
Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it
Post by: Baddy126 on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:00:20
Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it
Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?
Post by: romevi on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:01:59
Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it
Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?
Uh-oh...
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:02:01
Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it
Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?
RealForce? More like FeelWorse.
Post by: Baddy126 on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:02:16
Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.
I got into it because it's something I use everyday. Might as well get something good right?
Post by: demik on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:03:25
Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it
Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?
im glad you ask.
hhkb is the greatest keyboard ever created. it comes with PBT keycaps, so there is no need to worry about ****ty cherry caps regardless of who makes them.
do i hate RF? no, but i hate TKL keyboards. 60% is the future. buy hhkb. be happy. be topre.
Post by: Baddy126 on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:03:31
Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it
Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?
RealForce? More like FeelWorse.
I am no expert but aren't they all topre? Lol my mx clears on the pok3r feel the same as my friends v60 mx clears...
Post by: Baddy126 on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:05:05
Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it
Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?
im glad you ask.
hhkb is the greatest keyboard ever created. it comes with PBT keycaps, so there is no need to worry about ****ty cherry caps regardless of who makes them.
do i hate RF? no, but i hate TKL keyboards. 60% is the future. buy hhkb. be happy. be topre.
I see your point. I think if they came out with a 55g hhkb stock I'd prefer that over realforce but... Money problems
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:06:04
Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it
Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?
RealForce? More like FeelWorse.
I am no expert but aren't they all topre? Lol my mx clears on the pok3r feel the same as my friends v60 mx clears...
Realforce has a steel plate that makes it feel crappy. Better than an FC660C, but worse than a HHKB.
Post by: mrboovn on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:08:14
Seems like the only set of JTK I can get are the WoB on originitiveco and the other sets were from a group buy that I wasn't even aware of. I do like the hyperfuse but that also seems out of the question and the only available set I see that I would like is the sky dolch but at $165... that's almost triple the price of the JTK sets on ctrlalt.ioBe patience and check classified or r/mechmarket ,jtk PoW and WoB often go on sale around $80
Post by: yomammary on Wed, 24 February 2016, 07:31:30
I don't agree but that's what's fun with opinions :pSometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it
Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?
RealForce? More like FeelWorse.
I am no expert but aren't they all topre? Lol my mx clears on the pok3r feel the same as my friends v60 mx clears...
Realforce has a steel plate that makes it feel crappy. Better than an FC660C, but worse than a HHKB.
Post by: madhias on Wed, 24 February 2016, 10:33:37
Seems like the only set of JTK I can get are the WoB on originitiveco and the other sets were from a group buy that I wasn't even aware of. I do like the hyperfuse but that also seems out of the question and the only available set I see that I would like is the sky dolch but at $165... that's almost triple the price of the JTK sets on ctrlalt.ioBe patience and check classified or r/mechmarket ,jtk PoW and WoB often go on sale around $80
I sold my BoW / Stormtrooper set recently, but used for about 3 weeks, for €50, but I think I only paid €70 new! And that's the best part of JTK sets, they are cheap. But the quality regarding uniform legends is not that good until now, and I would say a little bit improving before going to the market would have been really better. But for a daily driver: I would not care that much! The texture is nice, and the caps are thick.
(http://i.imgur.com/qWWqiHW.jpg)
Post by: Baddy126 on Wed, 24 February 2016, 10:39:29
Seems like the only set of JTK I can get are the WoB on originitiveco and the other sets were from a group buy that I wasn't even aware of. I do like the hyperfuse but that also seems out of the question and the only available set I see that I would like is the sky dolch but at $165... that's almost triple the price of the JTK sets on ctrlalt.ioBe patience and check classified or r/mechmarket ,jtk PoW and WoB often go on sale around $80
I sold my BoW / Stormtrooper set recently, but used for about 3 weeks, for €50, but I think I only paid €70 new! And that's the best part of JTK sets, they are cheap. But the quality regarding uniform legends is not that good until now, and I would say a little bit improving before going to the market would have been really better. But for a daily driver: I would not care that much! The texture is nice, and the caps are thick.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qWWqiHW.jpg)
If I get my hands on that black/white reaper v2 I'll probably wanna get one of these
Post by: Ail on Wed, 24 February 2016, 11:40:20
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 26 February 2016, 09:14:55
Seems like the only set of JTK I can get are the WoB on originitiveco and the other sets were from a group buy that I wasn't even aware of. I do like the hyperfuse but that also seems out of the question and the only available set I see that I would like is the sky dolch but at $165... that's almost triple the price of the JTK sets on ctrlalt.ioBe patience and check classified or r/mechmarket ,jtk PoW and WoB often go on sale around $80
I sold my BoW / Stormtrooper set recently, but used for about 3 weeks, for €50, but I think I only paid €70 new! And that's the best part of JTK sets, they are cheap. But the quality regarding uniform legends is not that good until now, and I would say a little bit improving before going to the market would have been really better. But for a daily driver: I would not care that much! The texture is nice, and the caps are thick.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qWWqiHW.jpg)
Is it just the picture or are the thicknesses of the legends all over the place?
Post by: madhias on Fri, 26 February 2016, 09:34:32
JTK legends rocking as they are! Probably that is what people don't like, since the thickness and texture of the caps is great.Seems like the only set of JTK I can get are the WoB on originitiveco and the other sets were from a group buy that I wasn't even aware of. I do like the hyperfuse but that also seems out of the question and the only available set I see that I would like is the sky dolch but at $165... that's almost triple the price of the JTK sets on ctrlalt.ioBe patience and check classified or r/mechmarket ,jtk PoW and WoB often go on sale around $80
I sold my BoW / Stormtrooper set recently, but used for about 3 weeks, for €50, but I think I only paid €70 new! And that's the best part of JTK sets, they are cheap. But the quality regarding uniform legends is not that good until now, and I would say a little bit improving before going to the market would have been really better. But for a daily driver: I would not care that much! The texture is nice, and the caps are thick.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qWWqiHW.jpg)
Is it just the picture or are the thicknesses of the legends all over the place?
Post by: Ail on Fri, 26 February 2016, 11:31:03
Seems like the only set of JTK I can get are the WoB on originitiveco and the other sets were from a group buy that I wasn't even aware of. I do like the hyperfuse but that also seems out of the question and the only available set I see that I would like is the sky dolch but at $165... that's almost triple the price of the JTK sets on ctrlalt.ioBe patience and check classified or r/mechmarket ,jtk PoW and WoB often go on sale around $80
I sold my BoW / Stormtrooper set recently, but used for about 3 weeks, for €50, but I think I only paid €70 new! And that's the best part of JTK sets, they are cheap. But the quality regarding uniform legends is not that good until now, and I would say a little bit improving before going to the market would have been really better. But for a daily driver: I would not care that much! The texture is nice, and the caps are thick.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qWWqiHW.jpg)
Is it just the picture or are the thicknesses of the legends all over the place?
It's not the picture.
I actually took a closer look at my Stormtrooper set yesterday evening and the "C" key is most noticeably thinner in a portion of the legend. The "Q" "W" and "G" keys seem to be the most bold, respectively. At least the inconsistencies are consistent. ^-^
Edit: Still a great set overall in my opinion for $83 shipped. Lots of layout options and thick caps. I will be putting them on a Plum96.
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 26 February 2016, 11:52:41
Post by: Fire Brand on Fri, 26 February 2016, 12:47:27
That's pretty bad then, those look way more off that even Gateron capsBut aren't gaterons not PBT and dyesubbed, so you really can't compare them?
Post by: joey on Fri, 26 February 2016, 12:48:19
You can still compare the quality of the legends.That's pretty bad then, those look way more off that even Gateron capsBut aren't gaterons not PBT and dyesubbed, so you really can't compare them?
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 26 February 2016, 12:49:13
I was just comparing them to another popular set with probably the worst legend problems before that.That's pretty bad then, those look way more off that even Gateron capsBut aren't gaterons not PBT and dyesubbed, so you really can't compare them?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 27 February 2016, 01:25:30
Post by: romevi on Sat, 27 February 2016, 08:52:55
Consistency of legends? Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?
This a thousand times. I look at my keys only when sorting them for the first time and placing them on my board. That's it.
I dunno; maybe I'm just still new to this hobby.
Post by: Ail on Sat, 27 February 2016, 10:06:07
That said I'm not really going to care too much about some inconsistent legends, gives character imo. :thumb:
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 01 March 2016, 10:05:08
Consistency of legends? Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?
when the legends are that horrifically inconsistent, yea I'm sure I'd notice every once and a while. And while I'm paying that much for a set, I'd rather it not be subpar.
Not to say that the legends won't be fixed eventually, but I'd like to see the issues be properly addressed all the way through production before I'd trust JTK.
Post by: joey on Tue, 01 March 2016, 10:07:22
The next sets (there are some pics on taobao) look a lot better. There might still be some issues, but at least the alphas look much better.Consistency of legends? Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?
when the legends are that horrifically inconsistent, yea I'm sure I'd notice every once and a while. And while I'm paying that much for a set, I'd rather it not be subpar.
Not to say that the legends won't be fixed eventually, but I'd like to see the issues be properly addressed all the way through production before I'd trust JTK.
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 01 March 2016, 10:09:00
The next sets (there are some pics on taobao) look a lot better. There might still be some issues, but at least the alphas look much better.Consistency of legends? Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?
when the legends are that horrifically inconsistent, yea I'm sure I'd notice every once and a while. And while I'm paying that much for a set, I'd rather it not be subpar.
Not to say that the legends won't be fixed eventually, but I'd like to see the issues be properly addressed all the way through production before I'd trust JTK.
Do you have a link?
Post by: joey on Tue, 01 March 2016, 10:13:11
Not a great one here (http://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/detail.html?spm=a1z5f.7632060.0.0&id=527266912308). Just search for 'jtk keycaps'.The next sets (there are some pics on taobao) look a lot better. There might still be some issues, but at least the alphas look much better.Consistency of legends? Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?
when the legends are that horrifically inconsistent, yea I'm sure I'd notice every once and a while. And while I'm paying that much for a set, I'd rather it not be subpar.
Not to say that the legends won't be fixed eventually, but I'd like to see the issues be properly addressed all the way through production before I'd trust JTK.
Do you have a link?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 02 March 2016, 03:48:48
Consistency of legends? Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?
when the legends are that horrifically inconsistent, yea I'm sure I'd notice every once and a while. And while I'm paying that much for a set, I'd rather it not be subpar.
Not to say that the legends won't be fixed eventually, but I'd like to see the issues be properly addressed all the way through production before I'd trust JTK.
True, although my eyes are such that unless I squint I generally don't notice slight inconsistencies.
Misaligned keycaps is another matter, he said, thinking of Granite R1, which could be spotted from across the room.
Post by: xondat on Wed, 02 March 2016, 04:26:02
Post by: keshley on Wed, 02 March 2016, 08:01:36
(http://i.imgur.com/2X0ux4R.jpg)
I think for a first run product, it's pretty good. The alphas are the worst offenders, while the F-row is mostly consistent. It doesn't bother me when I'm typing, but it doesn't photograph as well as the GMK.
In terms of feel, its a near thing. Keycap sizing, look, and spacing is spot on as far as I can tell. I don't think I could tell which was JTK and which was GMK from a blind typing test. And that's why I'll be buying another JTK set when another colorway I like comes out. Not to mention the legends are improved in the second run already.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 02 March 2016, 08:18:36
Post by: riotonthebay on Wed, 02 March 2016, 10:42:14
Until JTK be an actual active and constant source for key board key cap kits, it is not an actual alternative to any other present and readily available option.
What are you even talking about, lol.
There was a first run, and now there is a second run, and there will presumably be a third run, and so on. Sounds pretty present and readily available to me.
Post by: Tym on Wed, 02 March 2016, 10:59:42
Until JTK be an actual active and constant source for key board key cap kits, it is not an actual alternative to any other present and readily available option.
What are you even talking about, lol.
There was a first run, and now there is a second run, and there will presumably be a third run, and so on. Sounds pretty present and readily available to me.
It's actually public knowledge there will be a 3rd run :P
Post by: Ail on Thu, 03 March 2016, 19:26:52
For the price you get a very solid feeling set of caps, and a lot of them, but the legends are pretty poor. If Originative had a GMK BoW set I would probably try to return these and pay the difference for that instead.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 04 March 2016, 20:36:57
Until JTK be an actual active and constant source for key board key cap kits, it is not an actual alternative to any other present and readily available option.
What are you even talking about, lol.
There was a first run, and now there is a second run, and there will presumably be a third run, and so on. Sounds pretty present and readily available to me.
It's actually public knowledge there will be a 3rd run :p
If that is the case try to run a GB with your preferred colors and see if JTK is readily available.
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 05 March 2016, 04:07:53
Until JTK be an actual active and constant source for key board key cap kits, it is not an actual alternative to any other present and readily available option.
What are you even talking about, lol.
There was a first run, and now there is a second run, and there will presumably be a third run, and so on. Sounds pretty present and readily available to me.
It's actually public knowledge there will be a 3rd run :p
If that is the case try to run a GB with your preferred colors and see if JTK is readily available.
Can we just run GBs through JTK directly, or do we need to go through BunnyLake?
Post by: Tym on Sat, 05 March 2016, 14:15:52
It's actually public knowledge there will be a 3rd run :p
If that is the case try to run a GB with your preferred colors and see if JTK is readily available.
I dont know what you're saying?
Post by: ideus on Sat, 05 March 2016, 15:27:46
It's actually public knowledge there will be a 3rd run :p
If that is the case try to run a GB with your preferred colors and see if JTK is readily available.
I dont know what you're saying?
Is JTK available to quote and run GBs for sets like the ones are now being at the IC or GB stages with GMK? For example, Monkey, Icon mods, Skidata?
Post by: Tym on Sat, 05 March 2016, 16:34:05
Why would we want to run a set which someone else is already running?
Post by: joey on Sat, 05 March 2016, 16:35:21
I think I know what you're implying, by the way Sophomore isn't there set it's CtrlAlt's design.He wants to be able to propose sets for JTK to manufacture. Like you can with GMK.
Why would we want to run a set which someone else is already running?
Post by: Tym on Sat, 05 March 2016, 16:36:34
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 05 March 2016, 17:39:42
Good for him Joey :)
That doesn't answer the question.
Post by: Tym on Sat, 05 March 2016, 18:11:02
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 05 March 2016, 18:14:26
Manners cost nothing you know...
Let me know when you find them then. There was nothing rude about the questions being asked and you just got huffy instead.
Post by: Tym on Sat, 05 March 2016, 18:19:44
Whats the question anyway?
Can you submit your own GBs to JTK? I'm not sure why people would want to since they spend such vast amounts of time ****ting on them.
But yes, we've already stated - when they're ready.
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 05 March 2016, 18:26:58
The question is can people submit designs to JTK to run a group buy without CtrlAlt involvement or do all GBs have to be CtrlAlt buys? You appear to have answered that, though that is the first time I have ever seen it stated that it will be available to others and the question about CtrlAlt involvement is still unanswered. I've only seen them treated as a CtrlAlt exclusive.
People aren't ****ting on JTK, they're just saying they're not up to snuff yet and that there are legend issues, but that they are improving. That's called constructive criticism and it needs to be heard in order to improve. If JTK wants to be a serious alternative, those issues need to be heard and corrected instead of minimizing the issues and passing them off as people ****ting on the manufacturer. The fact that you stated "when they're ready" implies that you know that they're not quite up to snuff yet.
In the mean time, people are saying that GMK has better quality, JTK feels better than SP, and JTK is priced better than GMK but JTK has worse quality on the legends than GMK and SP, so it's probably better off going with those until JTK legend issues are resolved, unless the legend issues don't bother you.
Post by: Tym on Sat, 05 March 2016, 18:36:16
People seem so happy to support new found "artisans" but they're deadset against supporting JTK, they'll "leave it for now" as you say.
What I'm asking, why?
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 05 March 2016, 18:51:35
That said, I haven't seen people saying to not support JTK though, just that there's room for improvement and that they'd take other manufacturers over JTK for now. I think, perhaps, that the CtrlAlt team is misconstruing this because of their relationship with JTK. What I see is people saying that they like the potential of a product, but that they won't recommend it as the go to product yet due to its flaws; however, once those issues are worked out, it should be a great alternative that's cheaper than GMK with similar quality.
I can say with me that I felt that the set and how it would look was oversold and that what I got was a little disappointing as a result. That does not mean that I won't support JTK in the future should there be a set I like, but that until the legend issues get worked out or prices run closer to the $60 mark the original set ran at, I'd rather spend a little more and get GMK.
On the artisan comparison, I think people expect artisans to be a little rough when they start out, so it's okay. I do think that the pricing of a lot of upstart artisans is obscene though and I really don't understand how people can pay $30+shipping or more for unproven or rough artisan caps. That's just as much of a mystery to me.
Post by: Tym on Sat, 05 March 2016, 19:02:43
Post by: Ail on Sat, 05 March 2016, 22:06:53
Semi-related point. Which I would like to use to address your final sentence.
People seem so happy to support new found "artisans" but they're deadset against supporting JTK, they'll "leave it for now" as you say.
What I'm asking, why?
A bit of an apples and oranges comparison here. Artisans are imperfect intrinsically. Part of the sell on a handcrafted key is that it will look just that. On the other hand legends on key caps are supposed to look clean and consistent, so when they are not, people are going to point that out. Doesn't matter who is making them. I did, and do support JTK, but I also don't blame others for not wanting to spend $80 on a set of caps that some of the legends look like they were done with a sharpie. I mean, if being honest about the legends is ****ting on them, then guilty as charged. I paid $80 for my right to be critical of the product. I also made sure to leave them a 5 star review on Originative because despite the legends the keys are great quality.
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 05 March 2016, 22:14:31
Semi-related point. Which I would like to use to address your final sentence.
People seem so happy to support new found "artisans" but they're deadset against supporting JTK, they'll "leave it for now" as you say.
What I'm asking, why?
A bit of an apples and oranges comparison here. Artisans are imperfect intrinsically. Part of the sell on a handcrafted key is that it will look just that. On the other hand legends on key caps are supposed to look clean and consistent, so when they are not, people are going to point that out. Doesn't matter who is making them. I did, and do support JTK, but I also don't blame others for not wanting to spend $80 on a set of caps that some of the legends look like they were done with a sharpie. I mean, if being honest about the legends is ****ting on them, then guilty as charged. I paid $80 for my right to be critical of the product. I also made sure to leave them a 5 star review on Originative because despite the legends the keys are great quality.
I wouldn't say JTK legends are that bad!
There are a few irregularities, but that is the case for many keycap sets I have.
The biggest difference I noticed is that between the doubleshot main set and the few windows pad-printed ones, but I can completely understand that they would look different. The rest of the minor inconsistencies I hardly notice, even when squinting at the keyboard in the semi-darkness where I usually sit.
Post by: Ail on Sat, 05 March 2016, 22:40:55
Semi-related point. Which I would like to use to address your final sentence.
People seem so happy to support new found "artisans" but they're deadset against supporting JTK, they'll "leave it for now" as you say.
What I'm asking, why?
A bit of an apples and oranges comparison here. Artisans are imperfect intrinsically. Part of the sell on a handcrafted key is that it will look just that. On the other hand legends on key caps are supposed to look clean and consistent, so when they are not, people are going to point that out. Doesn't matter who is making them. I did, and do support JTK, but I also don't blame others for not wanting to spend $80 on a set of caps that some of the legends look like they were done with a sharpie. I mean, if being honest about the legends is ****ting on them, then guilty as charged. I paid $80 for my right to be critical of the product. I also made sure to leave them a 5 star review on Originative because despite the legends the keys are great quality.
I wouldn't say JTK legends are that bad!
There are a few irregularities, but that is the case for many keycap sets I have.
The biggest difference I noticed is that between the doubleshot main set and the few windows pad-printed ones, but I can completely understand that they would look different. The rest of the minor inconsistencies I hardly notice, even when squinting at the keyboard in the semi-darkness where I usually sit.
That was an exaggeration, and it's only a few keys on my set that are that bad, it's mostly noticeably inconsistent thicknesses otherwise.
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 05 March 2016, 23:13:41
Semi-related point. Which I would like to use to address your final sentence.
People seem so happy to support new found "artisans" but they're deadset against supporting JTK, they'll "leave it for now" as you say.
What I'm asking, why?
A bit of an apples and oranges comparison here. Artisans are imperfect intrinsically. Part of the sell on a handcrafted key is that it will look just that. On the other hand legends on key caps are supposed to look clean and consistent, so when they are not, people are going to point that out. Doesn't matter who is making them. I did, and do support JTK, but I also don't blame others for not wanting to spend $80 on a set of caps that some of the legends look like they were done with a sharpie. I mean, if being honest about the legends is ****ting on them, then guilty as charged. I paid $80 for my right to be critical of the product. I also made sure to leave them a 5 star review on Originative because despite the legends the keys are great quality.
I wouldn't say JTK legends are that bad!
There are a few irregularities, but that is the case for many keycap sets I have.
The biggest difference I noticed is that between the doubleshot main set and the few windows pad-printed ones, but I can completely understand that they would look different. The rest of the minor inconsistencies I hardly notice, even when squinting at the keyboard in the semi-darkness where I usually sit.
That was an exaggeration, and it's only a few keys on my set that are that bad, it's mostly noticeably inconsistent thicknesses otherwise.
Which set have you got?
I have the WoB debut set.
Post by: Ail on Sat, 05 March 2016, 23:30:30
Semi-related point. Which I would like to use to address your final sentence.
People seem so happy to support new found "artisans" but they're deadset against supporting JTK, they'll "leave it for now" as you say.
What I'm asking, why?
A bit of an apples and oranges comparison here. Artisans are imperfect intrinsically. Part of the sell on a handcrafted key is that it will look just that. On the other hand legends on key caps are supposed to look clean and consistent, so when they are not, people are going to point that out. Doesn't matter who is making them. I did, and do support JTK, but I also don't blame others for not wanting to spend $80 on a set of caps that some of the legends look like they were done with a sharpie. I mean, if being honest about the legends is ****ting on them, then guilty as charged. I paid $80 for my right to be critical of the product. I also made sure to leave them a 5 star review on Originative because despite the legends the keys are great quality.
I wouldn't say JTK legends are that bad!
There are a few irregularities, but that is the case for many keycap sets I have.
The biggest difference I noticed is that between the doubleshot main set and the few windows pad-printed ones, but I can completely understand that they would look different. The rest of the minor inconsistencies I hardly notice, even when squinting at the keyboard in the semi-darkness where I usually sit.
That was an exaggeration, and it's only a few keys on my set that are that bad, it's mostly noticeably inconsistent thicknesses otherwise.
Which set have you got?
I have the WoB debut set.
Stormtrooper. I picked it up off Originative last month.
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 05 March 2016, 23:40:09
Semi-related point. Which I would like to use to address your final sentence.
People seem so happy to support new found "artisans" but they're deadset against supporting JTK, they'll "leave it for now" as you say.
What I'm asking, why?
A bit of an apples and oranges comparison here. Artisans are imperfect intrinsically. Part of the sell on a handcrafted key is that it will look just that. On the other hand legends on key caps are supposed to look clean and consistent, so when they are not, people are going to point that out. Doesn't matter who is making them. I did, and do support JTK, but I also don't blame others for not wanting to spend $80 on a set of caps that some of the legends look like they were done with a sharpie. I mean, if being honest about the legends is ****ting on them, then guilty as charged. I paid $80 for my right to be critical of the product. I also made sure to leave them a 5 star review on Originative because despite the legends the keys are great quality.
I wouldn't say JTK legends are that bad!
There are a few irregularities, but that is the case for many keycap sets I have.
The biggest difference I noticed is that between the doubleshot main set and the few windows pad-printed ones, but I can completely understand that they would look different. The rest of the minor inconsistencies I hardly notice, even when squinting at the keyboard in the semi-darkness where I usually sit.
That was an exaggeration, and it's only a few keys on my set that are that bad, it's mostly noticeably inconsistent thicknesses otherwise.
Which set have you got?
I have the WoB debut set.
Stormtrooper. I picked it up off Originative last month.
Stormtrooper a generation or two newer, WoB original debut - I wonder how many differences there are.
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 06 March 2016, 05:36:52
Semi-related point. Which I would like to use to address your final sentence.
People seem so happy to support new found "artisans" but they're deadset against supporting JTK, they'll "leave it for now" as you say.
What I'm asking, why?
A bit of an apples and oranges comparison here. Artisans are imperfect intrinsically. Part of the sell on a handcrafted key is that it will look just that. On the other hand legends on key caps are supposed to look clean and consistent, so when they are not, people are going to point that out. Doesn't matter who is making them. I did, and do support JTK, but I also don't blame others for not wanting to spend $80 on a set of caps that some of the legends look like they were done with a sharpie. I mean, if being honest about the legends is ****ting on them, then guilty as charged. I paid $80 for my right to be critical of the product. I also made sure to leave them a 5 star review on Originative because despite the legends the keys are great quality.
I wouldn't say JTK legends are that bad!
There are a few irregularities, but that is the case for many keycap sets I have.
The biggest difference I noticed is that between the doubleshot main set and the few windows pad-printed ones, but I can completely understand that they would look different. The rest of the minor inconsistencies I hardly notice, even when squinting at the keyboard in the semi-darkness where I usually sit.
That was an exaggeration, and it's only a few keys on my set that are that bad, it's mostly noticeably inconsistent thicknesses otherwise.
Which set have you got?
I have the WoB debut set.
Stormtrooper. I picked it up off Originative last month.
Stormtrooper a generation or two newer, WoB original debut - I wonder how many differences there are.
Not sure if this is correct but I heard that Stormtrooper is the same generation of molds as Debut so they should be the same
Post by: absyrd on Sun, 06 March 2016, 06:19:41
Post by: riotonthebay on Sun, 06 March 2016, 08:08:41
Post by: ideus on Mon, 07 March 2016, 16:57:25
bunnylake just told me the legend set is not complete yet so they are not taking orders to manufacture other sets.