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Title: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: aptivaboy on Sun, 13 March 2016, 13:44:55
Hi all,

I know about Unicomp's keys, but I'm wondering if there aren't other makers out there? I'd like to trick out a PC-122 with a variety of colored keys, maybe some different fonts, and so on. Obviously, with Cherry more or less becoming the new mechanical default, there are fewer people making Model M goodies. I've checked through the list of key makers here and there's not much left besides Unicomp for the greatest keyboard ever.

Any ideas or pointers? I'm not against Unicomp (I own one of their boards and am planning on buying one of their 122s - they're a good firm!) or anything, just looking for variety - maybe different fonts, textures, and so on.

On another note, I do 3D printing and sell scale model parts on Shapeways. Is there a source for Model M key dimensions were I to try to CAD up and 3D print some of my own?

Many thanks,

Robert
Title: Re: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 13 March 2016, 15:24:32
Very few, very few indeed.

Fentek used to sell them, rumour is that they are selling off their last stock and that's it.

Click Keyboards has some, but mainly stock IBM ones.

Unicomp you've already mentioned.
Title: Re: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: aptivaboy on Sun, 13 March 2016, 15:51:12
I may have to step in and CAD a few up. I'd love some Roman numerals on my number keys, maybe some stepped fonts on the function keys. Hmmm...
Title: Re: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 13 March 2016, 16:33:10
I may have to step in and CAD a few up. I'd love some Roman numerals on my number keys, maybe some stepped fonts on the function keys. Hmmm...

If you can produce a decent buckling spring keycap, you might have a lot of orders.
Title: Re: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: aptivaboy on Sun, 13 March 2016, 16:43:14
I'm just unsure of what material to use that would be durable enough. There's plenty of things at Shapeways that would work, but at what marginal cost? It would mean either having the character recessed or standing proud of the surface of the key. I'm thinking that slightly recessed would be best so that the user could then fill in the recess with paint, say, and then clear coat it to lock in the color. Done in enamels, that would make the paint more durable and easier to clean using water soluble solutions. The shape is easy enough to replicate. Its what Shapeways would charge per key that may prove daunting.

I'll need to think on this.

Robert
Title: Re: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 13 March 2016, 17:24:19
There's lots of threads about 3D printing keycaps:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=23722.0
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=25517.0
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56744.0
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57577.0
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76937.0

That's just a few of them - have a look through making stuff together (https://geekhack.org/index.php?board=117.0) for more.
Title: Re: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: aptivaboy on Sun, 13 March 2016, 21:33:38
Many thanks, I shall peruse them! :thumb: :thumb:

I'm thinking of making something that looks somewhat Victorian or steampunk-esque, maybe black keys with gold lettering. That would look nice atop a black Unicomp case, methinks, or a slightly circular Model M cap, like an early typewriter key. These are just ideas I'm bouncing around. I have a ton of other CAD projects to finish off first, but maybe during Spring Break free from annoying students in a few weeks I can bang some key prototypes out.

Robert
Title: Re: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 13 March 2016, 22:59:15
Steampunk be like: http://www.datamancer.com/cart/

If you can affix that type of keycap to a Model M stem you'd be on to something!

Gold on black would look somewhat Egyptian.

Ideas are good :)
Title: Re: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: aptivaboy on Sun, 13 March 2016, 23:04:25
Those look cool. Yes, something in that general ballpark. I've been toying with the idea of changing the lettering to something more British; what would British English call the "Alt" key? Something like that. Again, just ideas.

To make a circular key for the Model M the key would have to include the stem and not just be a standard cap. Getting something that durable in a printed medium may not be possible right now. I'll check on it, though.

Robrt
Title: Re: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 14 March 2016, 00:49:40
Those look cool. Yes, something in that general ballpark. I've been toying with the idea of changing the lettering to something more British; what would British English call the "Alt" key? Something like that. Again, just ideas.

To make a circular key for the Model M the key would have to include the stem and not just be a standard cap. Getting something that durable in a printed medium may not be possible right now. I'll check on it, though.

Robrt

"Alt" :p
Title: Re: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: aptivaboy on Tue, 15 March 2016, 00:12:18
Just a musing that struck me a moment ago, more for escape and function keys than for hard core typing...
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/aptivaboy/Key%20Idea_zpsmkr1ygwf.jpg)
Title: Re: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: dest on Wed, 16 March 2016, 23:32:10
It's really too bad the Model M has been left behind. One of the very few available caps is the red "PANIC" button. I would like that, but "DON'T PANIC" instead.

I know there's an Etsy seller that does custom dye sub caps for the Model M, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Looking for Model M key caps and key dimension info
Post by: aptivaboy on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:23:18
Very true. I called Fentek and their price for even 5 unprinted keycaps is pretty outrageous, although I like their colors better than Unicomp's.

One of the thing's I'm looking at is printing a Model M key and then extrude cutting or recessing the letters slightly into the top of the key. The user could then paint the cap whatever color they wanted and drop some paint into the character recess to make it stand out.  I have a prototype CAD key cap file done but it will need to be ordered and checked to ensure it fits, adn I'm too poor right now. Maybe next month. We shall see...